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Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 23, 2017 - 10:34pm PT
edit: as for any "plot," it's nowhere near as tinfoil hat or conspiracy theorist as you want to imagine. It's all very simple, and has already been shown: They each knew that Mike Flynn had been working with Russia while they publicly claimed to be unaware. They lied. To the FBI. To Comey. To the public. They covered up. They f*#ked themselves.

Well, hey, you're the insider, right? If you would, please go ahead and give Mueller the green light.

If NOTHING else, Donald Trump is going to suffer either a very serious stroke or heart attack, and I'd wager than will happen within the next 8 months.

8 months? Are you sure it's not nine? or five? or thirteen? Did you get this information from a doctor that you know?

I am fairly confident that Donald Trump will not be the one handing over the White House keys in 2020.

Me too. It will take place on January 20th, 2021.

Who the hell are "you" to :roll eyes:?

At least there are a few dozen people on this forum who can actually confirm I am who I am.

Uhhhhhhhh, congratulations?
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 24, 2017 - 08:00am PT
Is there a single (established as a known member of this community in real life)person who will come on here and vouch for you?

I didn't think so.

You know - when a person has an outlook in life that causes them to act out in snide, condescending, and generally assholish ways, that's an indication there is something wrong in their life. Happy people don't lash out at others on a continual basis. You're like the stressed out people I used to encounter in NYC when walking dogs. They would actually lower their tote bags, grocery bags, briefcases to "dog's head" level and (try to) smack the poor dog as they walked past. Happy people just don't do that.

So, why not give yourself the gift of life this holiday, and take a look at what it is in your life that has you so pissed off that you come onto a discussion forum filled with people who actually know each other, and act like, well, a very lite version of the faux president currently in office. Look at it good and hard, and analyze how you got into the situation you are in, and how you can get yourself out of it. Being angry and unhappy, or frustrated or whatever injury to your psyche it is that is paining you, is no way to go through the limited time one has on this planet.

unlocked gait

Gym climber
the range
Dec 24, 2017 - 08:12am PT
'appy. good morning.
you woke up again beautiful.

you exude, via your prose, compassion.
take care of others. take care of yourself.

do not bother to stumble on
broken souls such as litua.

theirs is a necessary ill journey.

let them, theirs.
continue on, ours.

and remember that we are joined
by millions of kind and humble folks
whom extend their heart outwards in love,

rather than collapse inward in fear like
the avatar that you've been jousting with.

every structure needs a weak path
in order to gather and expel the inherent stresses
that said structure collects.

whether this structure is a building or a society,
is immaterial. our society
needs weak people whom provide the necessary
path for the stresses to escape it.

keep the torch lit and lets march forth
ignoring the scum writhing on the periphery of
the valiant journey.
rincon

climber
Coarsegold
Dec 24, 2017 - 08:25am PT
Yes we can?
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Dec 24, 2017 - 08:38am PT
Yes, don't waste your time- The flat earthers will never yeild to your corrupt scientist, doctored photos and fake news.

They are especially entrenched and insulated via flat Earth news and the fact that they walk upon a flat Earth every day.
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 24, 2017 - 10:42am PT
Is there a single (established as a known member of this community in real life)person who will come on here and vouch for you?

I didn't think so.

You know - when a person has an outlook in life that causes them to act out in snide, condescending, and generally assholish ways, that's an indication there is something wrong in their life. Happy people don't lash out at others on a continual basis. You're like the stressed out people I used to encounter in NYC when walking dogs. They would actually lower their tote bags, grocery bags, briefcases to "dog's head" level and (try to) smack the poor dog as they walked past. Happy people just don't do that.

So, why not give yourself the gift of life this holiday, and take a look at what it is in your life that has you so pissed off that you come onto a discussion forum filled with people who actually know each other, and act like, well, a very lite version of the faux president currently in office. Look at it good and hard, and analyze how you got into the situation you are in, and how you can get yourself out of it. Being angry and unhappy, or frustrated or whatever injury to your psyche it is that is paining you, is no way to go through the limited time one has on this planet.

Happy?Girl, thanks for your thoughtful analysis, but I'm quite content--and don't require validation of any kind. Apologies, I was unaware that posting opinions here required a sponsor. In any event, I would never hit a dog--but if this fits your view of me or of conservatives, well, so be it.

Re angry, well, right back at you. You should put this whole election thing behind you somehow and try to find a constructive outlet for your rage. Commiserating with like-minded angry folks on a "climbing" website is probably not the path. 4485 posts right here on this thread!

Anyway, a sincere Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Dec 24, 2017 - 10:59am PT
Sparring with Happy Girl is kind of like beating up a kid off the short bus. Anyone getting their news off US media outlets is only getting dealt half a deck. We don't get the full story, we don't usually even get half the story. Speaking of.... https://www.opednews.com/articles/US-Government-Missing-21-by-Bill-Willers-Army_Fraud_Government_Government-Accountability-171221-929.html
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 24, 2017 - 11:09am PT
I don't pigeon-hole people by political party affiliation. NYC is highly Dem, and it's almost a certainty that most those attempted dog-hitters vote Democrat.

I also never considered you as "a conservative." What I saw was a poster who seemed to get their jollies out of being a jerk, cloaked behind the anonymous avatar.

If you stop to imagine, before posting, that the person you're replying to has the potential to be a coworker whom you enjoy working with, a neighbor whose hospitality you have enjoyed, or even - as is my case - a brother-in-law who happens to be pretty much the only member of my extended family who votes R, yet is an awesome human being, you might realize you would never communicate with people you actually KNOW that way, so why do it online? Because, just like yourself, most everyone on here IS a real person. So far as I know, ST hasn't got any sophisticated bots, and though it is possible you, or some others, are here as a paid mercenary, I doubt ST sits highly enough on the hierarchy to merit the cost involved.

As for me "putting this whole election thing behind" - guess what? I HAVE! If you think my fantasy is to somehow unwind time and make Clinton the president, you are mistaken. No....my hope is that the entire shebang of treason weasels - DEMS INCLUDED - gets kicked to the curb before it is too late. I don't WANT to find out what it is like to be a refugee wishing for my life that some country would take mercy on my ass and allow me residency. And I DON'T want to find out what civil war is really like. And I DON'T want to know nuclear war.

As for my rage - this isn't rage, and if you actually DID know me, you would know what rage I am capable of. And with that knowledge, you would not be dancing around me thinking my strike isn't going to be venomous, but keeping a polite distance and not engaging in, for lack of a better word, stupidtalk.

While there are definitely some low-level posters on this thread, there are also those with good insight and comments - of all political persuasions. And guess what? I KNOW some of these people, and ST is where I interact with them when we are not sushi-festing, facelifting, JT-wintering, Gunks summering or what have you. What is your connection here, if I may ask again? You just seem to be here from accidentally stumbling upon that shooting thread that was in your first post, and have stayed because you like being called out for being a yuck. Kind of like, again.... Dear Leader.

In closing, thank you for your holiday wish for me. I have been lucky to be doing a house sit for this week and the upcoming several days, and it's indeed a very nice thing. Hot showers, comfy seats to work in, friendly animals to care for, a real kitchen - a real baked ham tomorrow, with a bone for making pea soup! These are things (except for the good animals) I don't have in my daily life, and though I enjoy my chosen path very much, I am grateful for them.

Returning the Christmas cheer to you, with hopes for a happy 2018.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 24, 2017 - 11:10am PT
Studly - wow. I never knew you were a creepster.


Live and learn, and never forget.
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 24, 2017 - 11:29am PT

Where all think alike there is little danger of innovation.

― Edward Abbey, Desert Solitaire
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 24, 2017 - 12:00pm PT
CBS NEWS reports this:

President Trump kicked off his holiday weekend at Mar-a-Lago Friday night at a dinner where he told friends, "You all just got a lot richer," referencing the sweeping tax overhaul he signed into law hours earlier. Mr. Trump directed those comments to friends dining nearby at the exclusive club — including to two friends at a table near the president's who described the remark to CBS News — as he began his final days of his first year in office in what has become known as the "Winter White House."


And they also mention this in the article:

The president himself on Sept. 13 — long before the bill was finalized — said the wealthy would not benefit from the GOP tax overhaul.

"The rich will not be gaining at all with this plan. We are looking for the middle class and we are looking for jobs -- jobs being the economy," Mr. Trump said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-mar-a-lago-christmas-trip/

What a fine "Liar in Chief" we have.
Krease

Gym climber
the inferno
Dec 24, 2017 - 03:58pm PT
Can you imagine how scuzzy you'd feel after a weekend at marlargo? Probably like filming 12 hours of a bad porno with people with zits all over their asses.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Dec 24, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
Major creepster.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 24, 2017 - 09:57pm PT
Cosmic? I'm curious why you are spewing mean stuff on ST on the night you Christians believe Christ was born?

Considering your Christmas Eve post?

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/3044638/Go-Tell-it-on-the-MOUNTAIN
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 24, 2017 - 10:22pm PT
Because he is one of those "fake Christians" who claim thay are one so that they can bash people from a mount. They actually hate what Jesus stands for.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 26, 2017 - 07:06am PT
If Fritz wanted to make his case effectively, he should have posted donor data from relevant/recent election cycles. He didn't. My confidence level is 100% on this because, a.) Hillary Clinton took in more than 2x donations from corporations than did Trump; and, b.) Hillary's top donors, 7/10, were all hedge fund/financial/tech sector. Trump, 3 of 10. But by all means, please, continue hand-picking data and dragging it through the membrane of the bubble you live in. You have three more years of Trump to endure, and all the whining in the world ain't gonna change it.

The Democratic-Republican Party is the political wing of capitalism. The only differences between them relate to spoils not principles.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 26, 2017 - 01:18pm PT
We are headed for a huge correction/recession in 2-3 years. It will be worse than 2008. Nothing in the tax bill is sustainable long term. tRump and his ilk will pocket the short term profits, and the country will be left holding the bag (ala Bush II). They will try and hang it on the Dem replacement for tRump. The debt increase will not be offset.

If this country had half a brain, they would take that debt and invest it in education, not corporate welfare for companies already showing huge profits.

This country is in a very unhealthy loop.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 26, 2017 - 03:47pm PT
Pizzaman. Re your remark:
BTW, the tax cuts will be going primarily to the middle class


You really should not rely on Fox News to misinform you.

Here's a link to an article on the subject from NPR.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/19/571754894/charts-see-how-much-of-gop-tax-cuts-will-go-to-the-middle-class

And from the article, a Tax Policy Center breakdown of 2018 tax cuts.

And again from the article, a Tax Policy Center breakdown of what happens to those tax cuts in 2025 when most of the individual tax cuts expire.


It sickened me to watch Republican Congressmen look into the TV cameras & talk about their Middle-Class tax-cut. It is a carefully calculated plan to keep Republican financial support from Corporate America & their wealthiest donors.

A couple weeks back, Republican Sen Graham specifically said: "financial contributions will stop" for the GOP if they didn't pass a tax cut.

It's not about the Middle Class, it's about pleasing the GOP donor base, which is primarily the ultra-wealthy & corporate America.
zBrown

Ice climber
Dec 26, 2017 - 04:26pm PT
Not much on the wage horizon for a pizzaface who can't deliver.

Trump doesn't order anything but greasy fast food and diet soda. That's working well for him, right?

Unfortuneately he has signing authority on the orders that are prepared for him. He doesn't even read them.



Teetering on catastrophe




Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 26, 2017 - 05:13pm PT
Pizzaman. Per your post & link:
Hmmm, NPR and whoever sponsors the "Tax Policy Center", I think this more unbiased entity shows that it is more beneficial to the middle class:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/21/how-the-tax-bill-will-affect-the-middle-class.html

The link goes to a post with this title, & only shows those affected by the tax cuts, by state.
Here's how the tax bill will affect the middle class in every US state

You are talking taxcuts for the Middle-class & ignoring the much larger tax-cuts for those making over a million dollars a year.

Are you moonlighting for the Koch brothers?

The political network affiliated with billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch will launch a multimillion-dollar campaign to sell the just-passed GOP tax plan to voters ahead of the 2018 midterm elections.

The network, which is funded by hundreds of wealthy GOP donors, has already spent more than $20 million this year on pushing the bill — a top priority, which it worked on closely with the Trump administration.

Network officials say they will continue to make significant investments early in the new year for a "a full-scale nationwide education campaign" on the tax plan, which will permanently reduce taxes for corporations while cutting taxes for many individuals until 2025.

The campaign to sell the legislation, which polling shows is currently highly unpopular, will include TV, radio, and digital ads along with town hall events, seminars, workshops, phone banking, and door knocking.

A recent CNN poll found that opposition to the tax plan had grown by 10 points since November. Based on the poll, 55% of those surveyed oppose it and only 33% favor it, despite the investments from the Koch network and other Republican groups including 45Committee, American Action Network, and America First Policies to boost support for the bill.

James Davis, spokesman for the Koch network, said it's prepared to spend whatever it takes to move numbers on the issue, arguing that Americans right now know very little about the details of the legislation.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tariniparti/koch-network-to-launch-multi-million-dollar-campaign-to-try?utm_term=.vgWRzKPdR#.werg4XNvg
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