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10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 7, 2017 - 06:33am PT

You still don't get it

Answer the f*#king question
c wilmot

climber
Oct 7, 2017 - 06:42am PT
Post a rational question and I will . What I won't respond to is childish trolling like your previous "question"

I did however continue to try and explain to you the stresses on our workforce that resulted in a trump presidency. That of course is something you don't want to address as you either dont want to understand or are unwilling to. If you are not willing to listen- then you can not be helped. And I don't see how continuing to try and guide you along will have any benificial impact.

You can lead a horse to water...
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Oct 7, 2017 - 07:03am PT
That is not "valid scientific research"..

Tell us more, scientist. Why do you believe the cited survey research, performed by the National SCIENCE Foundation isn't valid? I'd love to hear this.

You have a Trump presidency for 4 reasons:

1. 40 years of effective propaganda via talk radio, Fox news and other outlets that has turned the GOP base into a party based soley on grievance politics, blaming "the other" (democrats, brown people, immigrants, "elites") for their ills, while the donors and politicians elected by that base continually put in place policies that screw their base in favor of the wealthy.

2. Real, inflation adjusted incomes, have only risen for the upper decile or theraabouts, since the early 1970s, and more recently is negative since 1999 for the bottom 80%.

3. Voter suppression in narrowly contested "swing" states.

4. Targeted, propaganda assistance from a hostile foreign power, peddling vile slander against the opposition, in those "swing" states.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 7, 2017 - 07:04am PT
Hey zBrown, cheers man

DMT
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Oct 7, 2017 - 07:15am PT
C Wimot-
10b - US workers should not have to compete for jobs with illegals. It's one of many factors lowering the wages of people who are already living lives on the margins. And this is not somehow limited to white people as you mistakingly assume.

This is such bullsh#t. Mom and Pop businesses like mine hire legal workers- the days of hiring day Laborers at Home Depot are gone.

I admittedly discriminate against entitled, lazy bitches that are incapable of producing a hard days work. These guys usually end up trolling on social media spreading fantasies of the White man's oppression. Ironically, most of the guys I know that perpetually cry about immigrants have low level government jobs (teachers, city workers, civil employees, etc.).
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 7, 2017 - 07:34am PT
Hey contractor check out some Heavy D



DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 7, 2017 - 07:39am PT
Hey contractor check out some Heavy D



DMT
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Oct 7, 2017 - 09:20am PT
The Hispanics also work much harder than the lazy Canadians...
c wilmot

climber
Oct 7, 2017 - 09:37am PT
- the days of hiring day Laborers at Home Depot are gone.


Oh man! Thanks for the laugh... if you actually believe this you are seriously delusional.


The rest of your post was the typical liberal gloatrage talking points with a heavy side of racism.

Let me guess- the only hard working white guy is you- right?

If only we could all be as superior as yourself
locker

climber
Oct 7, 2017 - 10:01am PT


"the days of hiring day Laborers at Home Depot are gone."...


Since when did Home Depot hire "Day laborers"???...


The application process for employment takes longer than a day...

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Oct 7, 2017 - 10:06am PT
Don't be cruel, RJ.

Credit: Squamish Trustafarians
frostback

Social climber
great white north
Oct 7, 2017 - 10:07am PT
Defenders of the donald faith, keep banging the side-show drum as loud as you ca:n 22% of americans agree with you and think the country is on the right track. The rest of us will be focused on patriotic issues, like oh, creating a place where the best and brightest can make a life, generate wealth and pay taxes.
Oh and all that clap trap about cracking down on illegal immigrants, actually President Obama's administration was doing a better job than donald.
"So far, Trump's efforts are consistent with his predecessor's. In February 2017, the first full month of Trump's presidency, 17,226 people were removed from US soil, 52% of whom (9,032 people) were convicted criminals, according to ICE. During the same period last year, under the Obama administration, 17,606 people were deported, 60% of whom (10,509 people) were convicted criminals."
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Oct 7, 2017 - 01:22pm PT
Since when did Home Depot hire "Day laborers"???...
Day Laborers hang out in the parking lot.

I get audited twice a year on my workers comp and the employment status of my subs employees.

We also get hit by OSHA at least twice a year. Nobody I know hires illegals- you'll loose your business.

And yes, I work with many white guys that bust their ass but the low wage entry level jobs are currently dominated by Latino workers. Mostly for lack of interest by white workers.

Curious- what personal experience you have of hiring Laborers, skilled workers, tradesman and sub contractors C Wilmot?

Thanks to Lazy f*#ks and cry babies , the job market is your oyster- get out there!




rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Oct 7, 2017 - 01:47pm PT
The Hispanics work harder than all the lazy canadians...Except for Jim Brennan..
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 7, 2017 - 09:35pm PT
Republicans largely abandon their platform of fiscal restraint

Cutting spending to balance the budget was almost religion to Republicans for much of the past eight years, when they frequently clashed with then-President Obama about government spending and federal programs. Now, the GOP is charging forward with plans to significantly increase military spending and to cut taxes in a way that could add more than $1.5 trillion to the government’s debt over 10 years.


So all that screaming and hollering about the deficit and debt were total BS.

The GOP has now abandoned all pretense about caring about the debt. No more talk about "balanced budgets" "tearing up the credit card" even the debt limit.

You can understand a philosophy, even if one disagrees with it, but it is the blatant hypocrisy that should be making rank and file conservatives really angry.

And it's apparently going to be financed on the back of the middle class.

I don't know if I can stand all this winning......
locker

climber
Oct 7, 2017 - 10:43pm PT


I blame it on the use of "Mary Jane"...

But I had misread your original post thinking you meant that Home Depot hires day workers...

I get it now...




"They don't call it dope, for nothing"...

;-)


...




Degaine

climber
Oct 8, 2017 - 04:12am PT
c wilmot wrote:
10b - US workers should not have to compete for jobs with illegals. It's one of many factors lowering the wages of people who are already living lives on the margins. And this is not somehow limited to white people as you mistakenly assume.

You still don't get it

It is you who still doesn't get it, and I'm surprised that this still needs explaining.

1) Crack own on employers, especially agribusiness, and illegal immigration will come to a grinding halt.
Agribusiness heavily and purposely recruits illegal aliens. To halt the flow of illegal Latino immigrants north (we're currently experiencing a period of net loss of immigrants from Mexico), start prosecuting Purdue, ConAgra, etc. That, however, seems unlikely, due to the pressure these companies are able to exert on Congress. If the US government starting cracking down on agribusiness, these companies in return would push for sensible legislation to allow their current workforce to be hired legally.


2) Automation
This has already been brought up but is worth repeating.

The US was the number 1 manufacturing country in terms of output until a few years ago, is now only second to China, and I believe will probably take back the top spot from China in a few years. The loss of jobs in the manufacturing sector is not due to illegal immigration, but to automation. Now most people working in a factory in the US have at least a Master's in some form of enigineering in order to handle the complex software and robotics used in most manufacturing facilities.
c wilmot

climber
Oct 8, 2017 - 05:41am PT
Degaine- I already pointed out the negative effects that illegals and automation have had on those living lives on the margins.

These economically stressed people had two choices:

One candidate promised to "MAGA", while getting rid of illegals, bringing back manufacturing, and re negotiating trade deals that have been unfavorable to them

The other candidate promised open borders, more illegals, globalization, and more trade deals that are not benificial to them

Who are these gullible disaffected voters going to vote for???


While yes- what needs to be done is a crackdown on employers who hire illegals. Unfortuently neither party has any interest in doing that as there is too much money to be made

Which is part of the reason we choose a figurehead to pretend they run the country.


Contractor- illegals have the same workplace rights as citizens in California. You live in a sanctuary state bro! they have made it amazingly easy to hire illegals. You just have to pay them minimum wage and provide the same workplace protections. If you are not taking advantage of that you are losing a lot of money needlessly. I hear they "hang out" at home depot

Check it out:

https://www.dir.ca.gov/letf/english_worker_mobile.pdf



Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Oct 8, 2017 - 06:40am PT
he other candidate promised open borders, more illegals,

prove it, credible sources, enough of your delusional bs
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 8, 2017 - 07:30am PT
The Hispanics also work much harder than the lazy Canadians

Illogical

lazy Canadians don't go looking for work in the states
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