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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 7, 2017 - 09:24am PT

The simple answer to the question: What explains US mass shootings? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?emc=edit_ta_20171107&nl=top-stories&nlid=72321538&ref=headline&_r=0

After Britain had a mass shooting in 1987, the country instituted strict gun control laws. So did Australia after a 1996 incident. But the United States has repeatedly faced the same calculus and determined that relatively unregulated gun ownership is worth the cost to society.

That choice, more than any statistic or regulation, is what most sets the United States apart.

“In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate,” Dan Hodges, a British journalist, wrote in a post on Twitter two years ago, referring to the 2012 attack that killed 20 young students at an elementary school in Connecticut. “Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”

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Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 7, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
Fitch is the lesser known of the "Big Three" credit ratings agencies, which also includes Standard & Poor's, & Moody's. Here's what Wikipedia says on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_(credit_rating_agencies);

If Fitch says the Republican tax cuts are bad for the economy, they are.

Fitch Ratings: GOP tax plan will hike deficits, be 'revenue negative'
The GOP tax plan will increase deficits and only have a short-term effect on growth, according to an analysis by credit ratings agency Fitch.

“Tax cuts may lead to a short-lived boost to output, but Fitch believes that they will not pay for themselves or lead to a permanently higher growth rate,” the analysis said.

Fitch said it expected U.S. gross domestic product growth to peak in 2018 before dropping down to 2.2 percent in 2019. The Trump administration has claimed its reforms would lead to sustained economic growth of 3 percent a year.
The ratings agency also said that the additional deficits brought on by the tax bill would leave the U.S. exposed when the next economic downturn hit. Policymakers often try to stimulate the economy with tax cuts and deficit spending when recessions hit. An already-deep deficit leaves them with fewer options, and could put the country’s credit rating and borrowing costs at risk when a downturn hits.

“The U.S. is the most indebted 'AAA' country and it is running the loosest fiscal stance. Long-term debt dynamics are also more negative than those of peers, with health and social security spending commitments set to rise over the next decade,” the report said, calling the impact "revenue negative."

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/359178-fitch-ratings-gop-tax-plan-wont-raise-growth-permanently
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 7, 2017 - 06:40pm PT
DMT...What's so complex about the issue...Humans are idiots getting crazier by the minute...Loonies shouldn't be allowed to own military grade weapons ... Sell the loonies machine guns and the loonies are going to blast a bunch of innocent bystanders...Cops lock up their assault rifles because they are afraid the loonies will get their hands on them while congress passes laws that put these weapons in the loonies hands..I think this meets the definition of insanity...rj
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Nov 7, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
After Britain had a mass shooting in 1987, the country instituted strict gun control laws. So did Australia after a 1996 incident. But the United States has repeatedly faced the same calculus and determined that relatively unregulated gun ownership is worth the cost to society.

Dingus is right in that people here in the USA did not decide as a group to do nothing about mass murder

in fact, the vast majority of Americans definitely want stronger gun laws, at minimum more background checks, restricting sales to the mentally ill, and restricting military assault rifles

but Americans then ignore their own above convictions when they vote to put Republicans instead of Democrats in political power, it is no secret the NRA gives large sums to keep Republicans in power and they are rewarded

and yes, even when 25 eight year olds at Newtown were slaughtered Republicans did their masters' bidding, refusing to allow a vote on even requiring background checks at gun shows

the three G's rule why undereducated white males vote Republican - God, Guns, and Gays, fear, fear, and fear
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 7, 2017 - 07:16pm PT

I've got something in my front pocket for you
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
Nov 7, 2017 - 07:29pm PT
As Norton said, the vast majority of Americans want stricter gun laws.

But we still don’t have the laws we need in place to minimize gun violence.

Because those Americans who keep voting in the same Republicans are not prioritizing the enactment of stricter gun laws, even though they may be in favor of them, it is fair to say that they are essentially deciding that the mass murder of young children is bearable.

To start with, I would like to see all auto-loading (gas, recoil, blowback, etc.) firearms banned as well as high capacity magazines.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 7, 2017 - 07:37pm PT
so who's gonna collect the ones already in my front pocket Lennox? the black man's kenyan socialist colonialist control of the armed forces is passed and lordy lordy aint no white men gwine tryn takem


I doubt we can even get together as a legislated nation on noise suppressors, armor piercing munitions.

we all know that mac10s are only worth legislating when crack dealers wield them.


the nut of the issue(s) (pardon) lie(s) in Testosteroni poisoning. no it's not dietary

and yes as a 'merican man I am totally loathe to give up my armaments. I even get a little randy for the "copkiller" rounds.

totally agree wih you, and yet....
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Nov 7, 2017 - 07:51pm PT
brave cowboy is right, with some 300 million guns already in America you can't go around confiscating them

so the Republicans are ultimately right, it is too late in the game to pass any laws

they also like to say our present gun laws are perfect, not too many and just right

and of course our thoughts and prayers go out just about every week now

and it is always too soon to talk about possibly doing something, have to pray now

then drag out the good old line - laws are no good because criminals ignore laws anyway

so give up, its the price we pay for living in a free society, another good line they use

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 7, 2017 - 07:55pm PT
One solution is to schedule another Republican powder puff fantasy baseball game and hand out some AR-!5's to the homeless loonies...
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 7, 2017 - 08:16pm PT
RJ you kill me (it?)



and yeah Andre, I agree: "Spend yer daisies well, there is no time. That's what I do" (you stocking up on some ammo in addition to them dubloons?)


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fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 7, 2017 - 08:21pm PT
There's still plenty of time Moose, there's still lots of ruin in an empire this size.

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Nov 7, 2017 - 09:07pm PT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 8, 2017 - 07:14am PT
And Trump is our Tiberius?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 8, 2017 - 07:28am PT
If any gun laws do get enacted, they would only apply to NEW Purchases

There are no proposals that would entail taking guns away from people that already have them.

But if you have a automatic weapon at home, it would be considered an illegal weapon, and you can turn it in, or hide it, your choice.

This talk of grabbing guns is pure hysteria perpetuated by the NRA, and we know the NRA is nothing more than a gun manufacturing lobby that wants to sell more of it's merchandise.

It's all about money in the end.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 8, 2017 - 08:11am PT
lol... the NRA...

The US Gov't is the biggest murder machine on the planet.

Laws are only for the proles.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 8, 2017 - 08:36am PT
Steve Bannon, Trump's Rasputin
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 8, 2017 - 08:49am PT

After Britain had a mass shooting in 1987, the country instituted strict gun control laws. So did Australia after a 1996 incident. But the United States has repeatedly faced the same calculus and determined that relatively unregulated gun ownership is worth the cost to society.

DM says: The United States isn't a block vote and doesn't decide anything as a voice of one, ever. This sort of simplistic presentation is just 'preaching to the choir' for those readers who have already reached the same conclusion and want to hear others reaching it too.

For example, how has the United States 'determined' this 'worth the cost' conclusion?

That choice, more than any statistic or regulation, is what most sets the United States apart.

DM says:
The Choice! Such a singularity! Of course its bullshit and no such conclusion has been determined.

“In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate,” Dan Hodges, a British journalist, wrote in a post on Twitter two years ago, referring to the 2012 attack that killed 20 young students at an elementary school in Connecticut. “Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”

DM says:
Idiotic. If that's the POV you subscribe to, so be it but it's just one writer's fairly ignorant conclusion and broad brushes a very complex situation.


Statistics is clear. The single most important factor is the prevalence of guns in the US and the only way seen to be effective in other countries is strict gun control laws

Dingus:
Do you support strict gun control laws? If not, you in reality give the possibility to buy guns like you do it today higher priority than to protect American children's lives. Is that stupid? Is that irresponsible? Is that unethical? Yes, I think so.

Isn't it also a statistical fact, that 5-10 % of the American population own 80-85 % of the guns. Do you think people loving guns/having most guns are among the most stable, least aggressive, least paranoid people in America?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 8, 2017 - 09:06am PT
'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-nra-money-20171003-story.html

There is no better example of the corrosive effect of money on American politics than the spending of the National Rifle Assn.

The gun rights organization spent a stupendous $54.4 million in the 2016 election cycle, almost all of it in “independent expenditures,” meaning spending for or against a candidate but not a direct contribution to a campaign. The money went almost entirely to Republicans to a degree that almost looks like a misprint (but isn’t): Of independent expenditures totaling $52.6 million, Democrats received $265.

If you’re looking for a reason that politicians are quick to declare that their “thoughts and prayers” are with the victims of the horrific slaughters that have become virtually routine in American life, but do nothing further to stop them, look no further.

The Center for Responsive Politics has compiled the baleful figures on the NRA’s election spending for its Open Secrets website. A spreadsheet showing totals spent on behalf of individual members of Congress through 2016 is here; the center is working to update the figures, and we will publish them once it does. The Washington Post has an interactive web page showing NRA contributions since 1998 to current members of Congress.

As the Center for Responsive Politics observes, the recipients of NRA largess almost always let their pocketbooks do the voting for them. The NRA endowed the 54 senators who voted in 2015 against a measure prohibiting people on the government’s terrorist watch list from buying guns with $37 million in support; only one Democrat voted against the measure — Sen. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, who has never received NRA support.

So most of the money is spent on smearing the opposition and creating fear by lying about what the other side might do, sad...

fear is strong emotion, and all this fear is based on LIES
monolith

climber
state of being
Nov 8, 2017 - 09:51am PT
Meanwhile, NWO2 will scan the sky for chemtrails.


Brace yourself for onslaught of chemtrail 'evidence' from NWO2.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 8, 2017 - 09:52am PT
Russian-deployed chemtrails are what elected trump.
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