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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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What a load of crap. Not the video. Your ridiculous comments about the Clinton's. You're no progressive.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Crankster? Per your post:
What a loat of Crap!
I've always read your posts & appreciated them.
Do you have a problem with my last post?
Nov 2, 2017 - 07:25pm PT
I recall reading a series of stories about the Spanish Civil War in my 20's, which tended to destroy any illusions I had about the struggle of right vs. left in that horrible cataclysm.
I re-read the book in 2012 before visiting Spain & Spanish climber friends, for the first time.
The title is simply: "The Civil War in Spain." Published in 1962, it was edited by Robert Payne & is now well out of print.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6532153-the-civil-war-in-spain-1936-39.
From the book, I learned, while the communists, socialists, anarchists, Basque, & Catalans, in left-leaning Spain, fought Franco & his Nationalist Fascist forces, Hitler, & Mussolini, they often fought among themselves. While one or the other supposed allies in the leftish faction was fighting or betraying the other, Franco & his allies won the war in many ugly battles & campaigns.
There’s a lesson there, for those of us that learn history & lessons.
I’m sorry that some here don't know, or seem determined to ignore that lesson.
Trump & his allies are bringing Nationalism & Fascism back to popularity in America.
Halford E. Luccock famously said, “When and if fascism comes to America it will not be labeled ‘made in Germany’; it will not be marked with a swastika; it will not even be called fascism; it will be called, of course, ‘Americanism.’”
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Halford_E._Luccock
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Fritz, I wasn't referring to you or your posts, which I enjoy and respect very much.
I'll get over the past and unite around my party's nominee whomever it is. We won't survive another 4 years of Trump. Poof.
BFD. Hillary Clinton, a Democrat, saved the DNC’s ass and then wanted to micromanage it, Bernie Sanders (who was only a Democrat for the purposes of his campaign) was offered a fundraising agreement and didn’t use it....zzzzz...Donna Brazile's hawking a book...zzz..
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Sorry Crankster, I won't forget Hillary's willingness to torpedo Obama in 08. Her campaign was ruthless.
http://flip.it/b-7qWv
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Back on topic-Researchers suggest delusion may be at the heart of conservative hatred of Obamacare
http://flip.it/Mgyv.i
I've been saying this for years- it's the only explanation for such dumbshittedness.
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dirtbag
climber
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Yeah frostback...that about sums it up.
Obama was a good president but it’s hard to argue that he didn’t leave the party in much worse shape when he left. I think a lot of this is attributable to the fact that Dems up and down seemed to run from their major accomplishment—the ACA—and let the right wing narrative about it take hold
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Contractor, politics is tough business. Obama knows that, that's why he looked past their differences during the campaign and appointed HRC his Secretary of State and campaigned for her in '16.
That's the past. A year ago we elects a sad, sick, dumbs##t at president. It's the worst of times. We need to come together and reverse course. Don't wait for someone to save us, we need to save ourselves. A "spirited" debate is in order, no?
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Yes! Although I do believe secretary of state was extorted.
The question remains- as a party how do we appease the fears (many created by right wing media) of the disaffected white voter and still open our arms to people they perceive as a threat? I don't know the answer.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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I don't know the answer.
I do. The answer is to start representing the people of America and not the plutocracy only. FDR did that quite successfully. But the new Democrats are hogs at the corporate trough no less than the Republicans.
“We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.
They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.
Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred.” -- FDR
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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But the new Democrats are hogs at the corporate trough no less than the Republicans.
Bull sh#t
some are, most are NOT
The broad brush painting going on is purely hysterics based on nothing more than speculation
If you want to work for the people, you become a Democratic politician,
if you want money, you become a Republican
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Gary, I think as true progressives, our very existence stands in repudiation of corporate domination hence the distain for Hillary.
Because of the success of right-wing media, the working classes have been fractured as a voting block. Weak-minded Democratic leaders are, either talking out of both sides of their mouth or forced into a painful binary choice.
Bernie had the best chance of uniting the Party. He had made inroads with the white disaffected voter and minorities were slowly warming to his POLICY driven message- Get it? it's about an inclusive policy for the people.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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If you can't see the difference in policies that the Dems propose compared to the Repubs I guess you are truly blind
and yes, please move away from the key broad, since you seem to not know the most basic concepts of our political system
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WBraun
climber
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Fry dude is brainwashed to the max .....
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dirtbag
climber
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Bernie had the best chance of uniting the Party. He had made inroads with the white disaffected voter and minorities were slowly warming to his POLICY driven message- Get it? it's about an inclusive policy for the people.
I was never on board with Bernie, although if he was the nominee I would’ve supported him without hesitation.
He blew a lot of smoke out of his ass. 4.5% (or thereabouts) growth? Reducing prison populations by a fifth? Sorry, that was utter bullsh#t.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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the dems did not not just lost the bernie bros for that cycle
i say unity party. kasich hickenlooper
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Biden-Warren
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Yeah Crankster- I think we're talking around each other at this point. I pretty much hate Hillary but voted for her in the general anyways and always felt Bernie would explode the deficit. I think you and I are both looking for "that" person to unite the party.
The Obama people pretty much scattered on Hillary because of her tactics and penchant for self-preservation at all cost. She probably would have been a fine president but a lot of the same ole same ole.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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I don't think I could vote for a person that I hate.
But then, I have not been educated why I should I hate Hillary Clinton.
I voted for her because she, as a strong Democrat, believes in and supports all of the government policy issues and legislation that I do.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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i say unity party. kasich hickenlooper
:-0
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