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zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 1, 2017 - 12:25pm PT
Job growth lagged in August, with the economy adding a lower-than-projected 156,000 positions and the unemployment rate ticking up slightly to 4.4 percent.

where is the Trump-tweeter now?
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Sep 1, 2017 - 12:38pm PT
Trump and humility; there's a song spoof in that somewhere, frolicking in the golden mist of Donald's fantasy.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 1, 2017 - 01:18pm PT
The whole Trump/humility thing is really IMHO just a demonstration of his staffers' humility. They're willing time and again to put their reputations and credibility on the line for that arrogant buffoon, because they believe in what they think he can accomplish. It's kind of admirable in a way. Did you see the size of his crowds?! Yuuuuge!
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 01:28pm PT
Okay it is KOS, liberal but if the feed from Christian Broadcast is to be believed, and is not techno-changed (my word), I think one never know what is real nowadays with the way technology can fake things...

...And then she says how how much Trump and his family have sacrificed for him to be POTUS. A lot of golf trips to his resorts, paid for by the taxpayer, I wish I could sacrifice that.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/30/1694627/-Watch-Kellyanne-Conway-tell-the-Christian-Broadcasting-Network-that-humility-is-Trump-s-top-trait

And there is a clip on that URL that also shows Donald saying he is a humble man.


Hmmm, did I miss the definition of humility and humble when I was growing up learning words?

Really, you cannot make this stuff up. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.

And was Kellyanne Conway and Anne Coulter separated at birth? Nah, about a five year difference, but then Satan does work in mysterious ways.

(NB I also posted this on another thread, I mean, comedy should be spread about. We all need a good laugh from time to time.)

EDIT
I mean come on Trump supporters, you can bleat all you want about why you think The Donald is good, and his good points, but humility? You have to admit, regardless of whatever good points or faults he may have, humility is not his game.

The guy is psychotic, a sociopath at least, it is so obvious. And he is our POTUS? We have had some questionable Presidents, take your pick depending on your views. But even the die-hard Trumpsters on the Taco Stand must see, the guy is not playing with a full deck.

I want the best for my country, though I may not Iive there, certainly we can do better than The Donald.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 1, 2017 - 03:32pm PT
U.S. gains 156,000 jobs, unemployment rate up to 4.4 percent



now wait a minute!!!!!

As the conservative members of this forum have continuously reminded us, this unemployment rate is a fiction, and it is probably closer to 30% !!!!

All manipulated and contrived to look low by Trump!!!
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 03:45pm PT
Ken, I have been following this piece of sh#t POTUS. I have been following what his supporters say on this thread. I have responded, sometimes intelligently, sometime not.

You and I and others with our point of view are preaching to ourselves. The 'opposites' also have their views, and indeed some valid points. But the latter just do not seem to realize, in my eyes, what the stakes are. And when the sh#t hits the fan, perhaps then they will see, take notice and understand, their battle of what they believed America should be (whatever that may be) is in the hands of a nutcase.

I can understand their frustration with the system, and want for change. But they picked the wrong dude to do it.

Just look at Mr Trump, do you really want this guy to be your leader? Look long and hard. Because he is. Will he go down as the worst president ever, hmmm? He certainly will not go down as the best, I can predict that safely.

EDIT

Yes I live abroad. And at the risk of repeating myself and have some of my comments thrown back at me, some for example, a certain Jim in Canada, say that my posts are about myself (shades of Trump). Some posters also say that I have touted my American heritage and it is tiring. Apologies if my family facts get in the way, not.

I have a proud heritage in the US. I have lived abroad for years. But I still care about what my country is, does and stands for.

"Ewww. but you do not live here, you have no right to speak", some have said. "Why should you care or have a say?"

Do I care what happens on Lucy Lane or Boulevard Way, since I used to live on Juanita Drive? Do I care what happens in Lafayette or Walnut Creek, since I grew up in unincorporated Saranap. Do I care what Alameda County does, since I was only born and raised in Contra Costa County? Should I care what Nevada does since I am a Californian? Should I care what Canada or Mexico does because I am from the USA?

Do I care what my neighbor does?

Should I care about my country, even though I do not live there?

Do I not have a right to voice my opinion about the USA, even though I do not live there? Cannot I see and look from the outside, looking in?

To some, who have told me so, on this forum and elsewhere, no, I do not have such say since I do not live in the USA.

And I just say... Purple Haze is in my mind, tomorrow or just the end of time...

EDIT

And yes, I suppose much of this post is about me (satisfied Jimbo that I admitted such) but who in the hell else can I be speaking for? Of course this post is about myself, about my views. So I use the first person singular, so to speak. Do not most of you, including you Jimbo? Do not your egos (and ids) come out in your posts?

When you express a view, is it not your ego doing so? Are you not, in a way, speaking of and about yourself? So if a poster says that one of my posts is/was about myself, perhaps it is, and perhaps it is also about my viewpoint, valid or not, but yet, my right to have one. Of course my personality will come through in my viewpoint. It isn't rocket science you know.

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Of course my personality will come through in my viewpoint.

One can try their best to be objective (especially as a journalist), and one can, for the most part, succeed (I believe I have in many ways), but yet, there is still that subjective thought. As a reporter subjectivity must be denied, as an op-ed writer it will survive.

And I am sick and tired of all this BS of journalism being fake. I have worked with so many fine and good journos, who only want to report the facts, I have worked with these people in over five countries, on national's, TV and such. We are not fake. So f*#k you Trump and your ilk. we have more truth in our guts than you will ever have anywhere in your soul Donald, period.

And for those who what to believe the Donald, I pity you. I am not condescending when I write that, I truly feel sorry for you, as you are living a falsehood that will shatter.

Donald Trump is a charlatan. It is plain to see. I look at the post by the guy with the meme of looking at CNN's eyes at antifa (a bunch of extremist jerks, gosh, don't all sides have such elements, human nature I surmises) and, well newbie XYZ shows his (her) colors with his posts. Not original, but at least colourful, and very biased. Join the crowd xyz.
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 05:45pm PT
And when any of you can claim to walk out of Number Ten alive after interviewing Maggie (an effing tough cookie, to say the least, pain in the ass more so, face to face), like I did (August 1989) then f*#king tell me what journalism is about.

Donald Trump is sh#t, his PR and press people are just the same.

Sure journalism and mass media have its problems and faults, I can attest to some of that, but we are still far better than Trump and his cow manure.

Yes much of the media, and journalism, is controlled by corporations, but the truth does well out, and there are plenty of damn good journalists out there. I have worked with some of them.

Again, f*#k Trump and his false Fake news claims. This guy lies every day more than a dog's turd. and he seems to believe his lies. Pathetic and psychotic.
c wilmot

climber
Sep 1, 2017 - 05:51pm PT
Journalism is about being dumb enough to be used as a means of propaganda
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
C Wilmot, if you believe that, so be it. Nothing I write will change your opinion. You are set in your mind.

But my experience about the reality of media says differently.
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 06:13pm PT
Ignorance is bliss

Tis folly to be wise.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 1, 2017 - 06:26pm PT
Vlad, me boyo, would I be amiss to assume that your description of Maggie as 'difficult' largely derives from her unwillingness to make nice and answer according to the script? Might another substitute 'formidable' for 'difficult'? ;-)

ps
I assume you know that 'vlad' broadly implies 'power' in most Slavic tongues?
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
And pray tell C Wilmot, what is your experience of journalism? Of Mass Media? Outside of being the "listening chatterel", have you worked in the profession, the industry?

Do you even know what you write about? Honestly and truthfully, show your credentials and I will post mine.

Or do you just listen and read what comforts you? The echo chamber as it is being termed nowadays.

I post (pose) this question to all who are buying into Trumps' Fake News agenda. Actually, I pose this question to all fellow Taco Standers. What do you believe?

It is scary, the way that technology nowadays can make a person say something in a (for example) video when they never said it. The manipulation should concern us all, regardless of our political beliefs or ideology.

Truth has never been an easy path to understand, but it is getting harder to discern.©
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 06:44pm PT
Yeah Reilly, Maggie sure was formidable. She almost spanked me. But then behind her, was... A senior aide, an aide, the Senior Press Officer, and a press officer, so, that includes Maggie, was five against one (me).

I think I did alright and I got the story I (and my readers) wanted. And Maggie did not cry (ala Trump nowadays) about what I wrote. She later complemented me on what I wrote. I have the letter somewhere. But does it matter? What matters is good journalism, a good leader (well, ideologically Maggie and I did not see eye to eye) and no bullsh#t.

Trump whimpers, at the very least, if he does not hear nice things about him.

Can you really compare the two?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 1, 2017 - 06:46pm PT
Maggie spanking a Vlad Pricker...I'm getting a visual...
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 06:51pm PT
John, you are incorrigible. Maggie did not spank me but I wondered if she wanted to. I disagreed with much of what she represented, but I did have respect for her, though if she had spanked me...


???


EDIT

RottingJohnny (I know who you are, gasp) I am hitting the sack now but your post made a good laugh before bedtime, and we all can use a good laugh in our lives.

At the end of the day folks, I think most of us agree, there is nothing like rock on the hands, or is that hands on the rock? I climbed today at Rocklands on the fringes of Wexford town, free solo (big deal the gorse is worse) Garnet (HVS, about 5.8+ 60 feet), The Spider (VS 55 ft), and Letus (HVS, about 5.9, 60 feet, and scared as sh#t, wish I had a rope). Effing gorse (and some stinging nettle), not as bad as rattlers on approach.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 1, 2017 - 06:55pm PT
A complementary letter to a clearly less than chummy you shows some class IMHO. You clearly had some formidable chops, my friend.
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 07:24pm PT
Listen Reilly, Maggie may have been a... a tough nut, but what she was, was sincere.

For almost 40 minutes I sort of clashed with her (I was editor of Training Personnel, an HRD fortnightly out Wembley, she had just launched the TECs, Training and Enterprise Councils, for England and Wales (Scotland and Northern Ireland were sort of left out to their own devices, another story).

I tried to drive Maggie to more contemporary issues (read contentious, heck I am a journalist looking to stir up sh#t in a good way), she would have none of it.

All in all, a good interview. I got what I wanted she got what she wanted.

EDIT
I did not like Maggie Thatcher (RIP). Would I want her as a leader in a crunch (i.e. North Korea, yes a million time more than Donald Trump. But I think she handled the Falklands all wrong).

She was cordial with me (actually she said she liked American journalists, "they are so, understanding". What? How diplomatic.

EDIT

So for a brief few minutes I asked about training in Northern Ireland and how it could liaise with the Republic's training courses (in February 1987, when I was sub-editor on PASS, a fortnightly magazine -based out of Dartford, Kent, for part and newly-qualified accountants, I covered the student overall accountancy post-grad celebrations at the Slieve Donard in Newcastle Co Down, 1997).

I digress, I am good at that.

Maggie, she did not care about Northern Ireland nor Scotland. That was my take on it, perhaps I am wrong.

So Maggie said
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 07:54pm PT
Jim, damn I thought I was an experienced (I was) journalist at the time, but Maggie was one step ahead of me. And it was five again one (my excuse). Still, it was a good interview. I must have it somewhere.
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
Sep 1, 2017 - 08:03pm PT
Maggie Thatcher was a clever cookie. I did not approve of her politics or ideology (I told her that), nor the way she felt with the Irish troubles - partition, sectarian violence, the paramilitaries (both sides), and on and on.

Maggie, she did not seem to care much about the 'Irish Problem".

EDIT

Of course she was almost blown up by an IRA bomb in Brighton, but the topic of Ireland, as I found, was off limits in this interview. She knew the Irish problem.

And Cosmic, I can only guess you are trying to be funny with the illustration below, but please do not tell me that is the level of your knowledge.

And drF below this post, get a clue. I could, but will not, post my NUJ (National Union of Journalists) and IFJ (International Federation of Journalists) cards. As you do not warrant that consideration, even acknowledging your idiocy is more than you deserve.
drF

Trad climber
usa
Sep 2, 2017 - 02:40am PT
Vlad can't make up his mind

Coming or going

Drunk or sober

Ignorant or self-loathing

A journalist he is most certainly kNOT

A real truther
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