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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 24, 2017 - 11:01am PT
Sure, that was a bit of sarcasm/trolling. But the real point, I don't believe that Goldman Sax cared one whit what she actually said in that speech. They were doing no more, in my opinion, than handing a $200,000+ check (and this was to Hillary, not her campaign, right?) to someone who they though had good odds of being the next POTUS.

EXACTLY the sort of thing that virtually every candidate has done for the last 50 years. Like Reagan going to Japan for paydays.

So why do you object to Hillary doing so? What is it about her that is different than the other candidates? I've not seen you object one twit to Trump doing so.

Perhaps you are just not ready for a woman in office? Just be honest, instead of conniving.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 24, 2017 - 11:05am PT
Florida prepares to execute a death-row inmate for the first time in a year-and-a-half

The lethal injection set for this evening is believed to be the first time in the modern era that Florida intends to execute a white person convicted of killing a black person.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 24, 2017 - 11:06am PT
Its a failure of leadership, full stop.

Yes, on Bernie's part - it was the combined character assassination of both the right and Bernie's campaign that elected trump. Bernie did such a good job of it his own base wouldn't follow his lead endorsing Hillary by the time he was done.

To every ignorant progressive who didn't vote or didn't vote for Hillary I have only one message - f*#k you, you are personally responsible for the fallout of the election. And first and foremost in that fallout is the loss of the Supreme Court which will now stymie the progressive agenda for the next three decades even if the presidency, house and senate are regained. Well done as#@&%es.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
Aug 24, 2017 - 11:36am PT
Maybe Trump is so nuts that Congress will have to work together to create veto proof majorities on legislation. Like negotiate and make deals and stuff. Hope springs eternal!
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 24, 2017 - 11:43am PT
To every ignorant progressive who didn't vote or didn't vote for Hillary I have only one message - f*#k you, you are personally responsible for the fallout of the election. And first and foremost in that fallout is the loss of the Supreme Court which will now stymie the progressive agenda for the next three decades even if the presidency, house and senate are regained. Well done as#@&%es.

I could've said that, but it's hard for me to point the middle finger at my fellow (edit) progressives for not voting for Hillary when Bernie didn't get the nomination, when my biggest civic contribution has only been at the ballot box, or only as a neighborhood level activist. I guess I only voted for Hillary knowing that Bernie didn't stand a shot against the Party machine. There are some other factors as well, but Hillary was the lesser of two evils, Trump being not only evil, but mired in his own stench.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 24, 2017 - 12:40pm PT
In The War Against ISIS, Trump Is Already Responsible For More Civilian Deaths Than Obama

oh how honey boo boo criticized Obama for civilian deaths.....

More than half of all civilian deaths in the war against ISIS have occurred in the 7 months since Donald Trump was inaugurated.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Aug 24, 2017 - 01:09pm PT
So why do you object to Hillary doing so? What is it about her that is different than the other candidates?

People accept a lot of things from men that they cannot bear to when it is a woman doing that thing.

Edit: Word on the Twittersphere is that McConnell has had his fill of Trump and is ready to do what has to be done to rid the WH of the current infestation.

And meanwhile, the RICO investigation is getting pretty hot. I have to wonder if they aren't just letting DT/DTJr/ET/IT and JK stew in their own poop for a while. They have to know every move they are making is under scrutiny. It must be rather uncomfortble, knowing you entire empire is about to tumble and that no amount of lawyering is going to save you from at least some prison time and that when you come out, you'll be lucky indeed if there is a single off-shore account that hasn't been completely plundered.

I for one, with to see just one night in prison for DTSr. One night, and then if he dies of shame, so be it. As for the second generation(or third, when you realize DT's father laid the groundwork), I will wait and see what their actual culpability has been. But if they are found guilty(and it looks like they will be), then I hope their prison terms are relatively short. I would like to see them have to live like average people do.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Aug 24, 2017 - 01:17pm PT
Sure, that was a bit of sarcasm/trolling. But the real point, I don't believe that Goldman Sax cared one whit what she actually said in that speech. They were doing no more, in my opinion, than handing a $200,000+ check (and this was to Hillary, not her campaign, right?) to someone who they though had good odds of being the next POTUS.



EXACTLY the sort of thing that virtually every candidate has done for the last 50 years. Like Reagan going to Japan for paydays.

So why do you object to Hillary doing so? What is it about her that is different than the other candidates? I've not seen you object one twit to Trump doing so.

Perhaps you are just not ready for a woman in office? Just be honest, instead of conniving.

Yeah. Well I actually voted for Hillary in both the primary and the general because I thought it was the best chance of keeping the POTUS Democratic.

But I was actually sorry to see her run. Her negatives were so high I thought she could lose the general, which she in fact did. If Bernie had gotten the nomination, I think he would have lost by more. I don't know if Bernie being VP would have made a difference or not.

Lots of politicians are sleazy. But even by political standards, the Clintons are sleazier than most. Some of it, perhaps, is just they have had more opportunities that other politicians would have also taken advantage of.

Obama has never struck me as a sleazy politician. His administration had very few real scandals compared to other administrations.

Even ignoring the fake scandals that Fox news and the alt-right try to pin on Hillary, I think Hillary would have a lot of scandals. Fewer than Trump.

In the context of the lessor of two evils, between Trump and Hillary, there is no doubt, for me. But I would have really disliked a Hillary presidency.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 24, 2017 - 02:20pm PT
To every ignorant progressive who didn't vote or didn't vote for Hillary I have only one message - f*#k you, you are personally responsible for the fallout of the election. And first and foremost in that fallout is the loss of the Supreme Court which will now stymie the progressive agenda for the next three decades even if the presidency, house and senate are regained. Well done as#@&%es.

Well excuse for voting for who I thought would the best president for America.

If you want to vote for corporate shills, that's on you. Not me.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 24, 2017 - 03:21pm PT
ok this needs to be brought out into the open !

so what is "sleazy" about Hillary Clinton?

what criminal or civil laws, statutes, has she broken?

Lock her up? what for?

I voted for Hillary Clinton because she is a strong democrat who I knew would uphold those policies and values, and not because she was a so called "less of two evils"

yes of course everyone should vote for their preferred primary candidate
but when the choice came down to Trump or Clinton then yes, staying home or not voting for her was definitely a vote for Trump, but everyone was smart enough to know that
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Aug 24, 2017 - 03:24pm PT
You're unhinged, DMT, just like the President you bow to. I'm done with the likes of you. Naivete + ignorance is toxic.

Reasonable people learn from their mistakes. One of my friends was a huge Bernie supporter. We had a lot of loud debates during the primary. He recently called to apologize. He'd just read this book:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33670561-the-destruction-of-hillary-clinton

Made him realize the phony crap he bought into. Stuff spewed here all the time ...corporate shill, emails, Benghazi...mindless crap.

The Destruction of Hillary Clinton is an answer to the question we’ve all been asking: How did an extraordinarily well-qualified, experienced, and admired candidate—whose victory would have been as historic as Barack Obama’s—come to be seen as a tool of the establishment, a chronic liar, and a talentless politician?

In this masterful narrative of the 2016 campaign year, Susan Bordo unpacks the right-wing assault on Clinton and her reputation, the way the left provoked the suspicion and indifference of a younger generation, and the unprecedented influence of the media.

Urgent, insightful, and engrossing, The Destruction of Hillary Clinton is an essential guide to understanding the most controversial presidential election in American history.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 24, 2017 - 04:14pm PT
"You've said you're done with me like 5 times now. Maybe this time you'll stay on the wagon, partisan."



You are like a broken record with the partisan bullsh#t, she was the better person for the job, she wasn't perfect but she was the most qualified person for that position of the one's running. Hate to break it to you but Bernie was never a democrat, never ran as one and never joined the democratic party.
drF

Trad climber
usa
Aug 24, 2017 - 04:17pm PT
The alt-left crankloons here are brainwashed little children

No respect for others opinions or the truth

They love to paint people as creeps, facists and nazi's who don't live in their tiny little world

Crankloon is a little trusty low-life

#lowlifesdontmatter#
c wilmot

climber
Aug 24, 2017 - 04:18pm PT
Does the black clad antifa also blame Bernie for Hilary's loss?
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 24, 2017 - 04:31pm PT
Hate to break it to you but Bernie was never a democrat, never ran as one and never joined the democratic party.

But still got 45% of the electable delegates. 45% of dem primary voters didn't give a hoot about your purity standards
drF

Trad climber
usa
Aug 24, 2017 - 05:38pm PT
Speaking of crankalo0ns -keep an eye on the arm candy aka 3rd wife of the current treasury secretary, you know, that dude from goldmann sachs -she shows a lot of empathy for folks like DrF, cosmic et al. You folks should sleep easy to know she is out there making sacrifices for your welfare day in and day out.

Lay off the MSM loony tunes Frosty.

That's what you are focused on?? You moron

Who cares about the 3rd bimbo. Did she all of the sudden f**k up your life?

I've never said who I support yet you've already lumped me into a category that you disdain?

You are trying so harrd to be an errmerican.

Get over it.

You're a hoser...face it...take off...eah
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Aug 24, 2017 - 07:00pm PT
Like John Snow, I'm just a good guy fighting on the side of the living. F*#k those dead people! And republicans! And partisans!

Someone must be an as#@&%e, and it's definitely not me! Is it?

I'm kind of an Arya fan myself, but you be you.
drF

Trad climber
usa
Aug 24, 2017 - 07:05pm PT
^^^
If you think it's ONLY republicans

Then YES....you are an azzhole
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Aug 24, 2017 - 07:11pm PT
My bad.

F*#k the republicans! F*#k the democrats! F*#k the partisans! F*#k the nonpartisans! F*#k the living! F*#k the dead!

I feel like I fixed it. But f*#k me! :-)

You though, you be you. You're good.

In the choice between the center and the extremes, the center is the one true lord!

Not that I'm partisan to the center though. F*#k the partisans :-)
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 24, 2017 - 11:46pm PT
It wasn't about the parties. It wasn't about who the president was. It wasn't about who you liked or didn't like for this or that reason.

It was all about the Supreme Court.

And the fact that entirely escaped progressives caught up in People magazine hysterics still simply amazes me.

You elected W in 2000 and Trump in 2016, what f*#kwad are you going to elect next time?
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