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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 24, 2017 - 12:50am PT
Instead of erecting statues to traitors, how about this guy:

On 7 July 1944, Army Captain Ben L. Salomon, the battalion surgeon of 2nd Battalion, 105th Infantry Regiment, 27th Infantry Division aided the evacuation of wounded soldiers.

After defending his unarmed patients from four Japanese soldiers, he manned a machine gun post and effectively repelled numerous enemy forces to enable the evacuation of wounded personnel.

When his body was recovered after the battle, 98 dead Japanese soldiers were found in front of his position. For gallantry in battle, Captain Ben L. Salomon was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor in May 2002.[23] Salomon was the third Jewish service member to be awarded the Medal of Honor during World War II.


Or this guy:

On 7 July, Private Thomas A. Baker and his comrades from the 1st Battalion, 105th Infantry Regiment, came under attack by a large Japanese force.

Although seriously wounded early in the attack, he refused to be evacuated and continued to fight in the close-range battle until running out of ammunition.

When a comrade was wounded while trying to carry him to safety, Baker insisted that he be left behind. At his request, his comrades left him propped against a tree and gave him a pistol, which had eight bullets remaining.

When American forces retook the position, they found the pistol, now empty, and eight dead Japanese soldiers around Baker's body.

Baker was posthumously promoted to sergeant and, on 9 May 1945, awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions throughout the battle for Saipan.[21] He was buried at Gerald B. H. Solomon Saratoga National Cemetery in Schuylerville, New York.[22]
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 24, 2017 - 12:59am PT
You are being a semantic twit, Ken. The discussion was about giving a speech to a private audience for which no video or transcripts are released, versus a 'public' speech where video or transcripts are available to the public.

Were you aware that a word can have a different meaning in different contexts?

Perfect example of "context", when someone is advocated to not be a public speaker, when they speak to a live private audience. You can try to change the english definition of a word, but you have supplied no references that support you, as I did.

Most public speakers make the majority of their living doing exactly this kind of work.

Also an example of someone pontificating about something they know nothing about, whereas I do a lot of this work (although not at that level)
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Aug 24, 2017 - 05:56am PT
Ken M:
Instead of erecting statues to traitors, how about this guy:
Ken M, I am confused about people who want to bring down statues of all traitors.


Norton:
... yes by choosing to "secede" ... that does make them "traitors"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 24, 2017 - 06:51am PT
From NPR:

But when asked whether Confederate statues should remain as a historical symbol or be removed because they're offensive to some people, 62 percent say they should remain; just 27 percent said they should go.

African-Americans are divided on the question — but a plurality agree they should stay, 44 percent to 40 percent. Two-thirds of whites and Latinos believe the statues should remain as well.

One of the most dramatic monuments to the Confederacy is called Stone Mountain, in northern Georgia. It's sort of a Confederate Mount Rushmore, with Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis carved into a mountainside.

Andrew Young, a former mayor of Atlanta and lifelong African-American civil rights activist, says the memorial should stay. Young served as a congressman from Georgia and ambassador to the United Nations. He was with Martin Luther King Jr. the day he was assassinated.

"That is a tremendous carving. And I don't want to see that destroyed. I don't care who it is," he says.

This whole drama over statue removal is leftwing victimology in the extreme. They just need something to bitch about.

Five years ago, this was a non-issue. Now, we have a small (but noisy) portion of the population irate over over a previously irrelevant issue.

What's going to sate these snowflakes? Destruction of any recognition of anyone who owned slaves? Is this how we move on?
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 24, 2017 - 07:17am PT
Stick to it Ken. Ridiculous.

If a public speech can only mean 'speaking to a live audience' then what's a private speech? Speaking to a dead audience?

Sheesh.


In order to not confuse you next time, we'll say public public speech and private public speech. Better?
Norton

Social climber
Aug 24, 2017 - 07:40am PT
Regarding those that couldn't bring their sacred consciences to vote for an imperfect candidate, "how's it going, eh" as we canucks put it when we choose to mock.

monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 24, 2017 - 07:47am PT
How it going for you to ignore the side of the party that got 45% of the electable delegates.

Yay, we got Timmy Kaine for VP!
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 24, 2017 - 08:00am PT
Stalker-perv and you think he's not a pimp?

[Click to View YouTube Video]

What happens to something diseased at the root.



Chuck Grassley will order committee vote on releasing testimony on Trump dossier
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 24, 2017 - 08:47am PT
Quite a dilemma. There would be no reforms if Clinton won as indicated by her VP choice. Too bad she treated the primary as winner take all.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-vice-president_us_576d761ee4b0dbb1bbba7942

Thirty-nine percent of voters nationwide said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic ticket if Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders were on it, according to a new poll from Monmouth University.

Among undecided voters, a whopping 50 percent said they would be more likely to support the Democrats if it’s a Clinton-Sanders ticket.

This is what we get with two party systems.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 24, 2017 - 09:12am PT
OK, so assume that the Clinton/Sanders ticket would have won

so what?

the House would still be firmly in the Republicans hands

very very doubtful the Dems would have won a majority in the Senate now 52-48

the Dems would not be able to get any legislation passed and with the Repubs in control of the Senate would not be able to confirm SC appointments

a Mexican standoff, just like the last 6 years of the Obama Administration

on the one hand the public says they want positive legislation passed and both parties working together, on the other hand the public votes divided government
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:00am PT
At this juncture I would choose to no longer blame the electorate for installing the potential despot Trump, or those who voted for him as a protest vote against Clinton when they would rather have voted for Sanders, and his core base are not likely to ever leave him, for history will likely judge them harshly enough in time. Though they might at present find themselves triumphant, it is obvious to me that there is something inherently wrong with their thinking.

I choose to lay the primary responsibility on the repugnant and arrogant Trump, who has proven from the outset of his entire public career to be morally despicable. It is perfectly obvious what type of person he to those who have paid attention to what he has done for the last 50 years, studied his many crooked business dealings, been aware of his scandalous indiscretions, and noted his failed business enterprises.

My impression is that he is what he has always been; a diabolical and mentally disturbed bully, an erratic criminal who has painted himself in patriotic colors, who has colluded with republicans in Congress and many others in order to elevate himself to the pinnacle of political and military power.

Trump bought into and exacerbated the birther conspiracy theory during Obama's presidency and Trump chose to run for office. Trump blamed, denigrated, vilified, and rallied conservative America against our own immigrant heritage, and Trump himself is primarily to blame for what turmoil our nation must endure.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:09am PT
a diabolical and mentally disturbed bully,

Oh stop... he's a garden variety narcissistic prick with slightly above average intelligence and some severe insecurities that lead to him lashing out like an idiot at times. His type are a dime a dozen, but hardly diabolical.

Although he's now falling in line under people who really ARE evil.

Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:38am PT
Yeah, diabolical is pushing it a bit.
I'll stick with saying he's a maniacal and mentally disturbed bully though.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:38am PT
Ken M, I am confused about people who want to bring down statues of all traitors.

You left out .....to the United States. Where we live. Under whose laws we prosper.

Let Great Britain deal with who they think traitors were to their regime. Gandhi, I imagine.

Should we prohibit statues to Stalin's opponents? Let Putin deal with that.

What's the confusion?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:40am PT
If a public speech can only mean 'speaking to a live audience' then what's a private speech?

Public speaking. Don't you own a dictionary? I know you own a computer. Don't be lazy, you can spell G-o-o-g-l-e
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:41am PT
Looks like I'll be taking down the statue of myself cutting class in high school to go smoke weed.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:47am PT
The leadership made it clear they would not compromise to bring Sanders supporters into the fold.

You should quit revising history, DMT The Dems took on a series of Bernie's most coveted positions. Free college tuition, for one.

How do I know? Because Bernie held his endorsement until she had agreed to adopt a sufficient amount of his agenda.

Bernie endorsed Hillary.

So one either admires and trusts the judgement of Bernie, and do as he recommendeds, or one ultimately doesn't, and votes for Jill Stein, et. al.

And bow to one's President, DT
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:49am PT
FWIW in our last Canadian federal election the centre and a sizable chunk of the left coalesced to vote for the liberal party with the common shared goal of ousting a venal prime minister (harper) and his politics of division. It worked.

Yeah but stoopid Americans are dumber than stupide Canadians.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:56am PT

August, you are misusing the term "public speaker", to mean that a person gives a speech to the public.

It does not.

It means that the person is giving a speech to a live audience, the setting is not the issue.

Sure, that was a bit of sarcasm/trolling. But the real point, I don't believe that Goldman Sax cared one whit what she actually said in that speech. They were doing no more, in my opinion, than handing a $200,000+ check (and this was to Hillary, not her campaign, right?) to someone who they though had good odds of being the next POTUS.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:56am PT
OK, so assume that the Clinton/Sanders ticket would have won

so what?

the House would still be firmly in the Republicans hands

very very doubtful the Dems would have won a majority in the Senate now 52-48

the Dems would not be able to get any legislation passed and with the Repubs in control of the Senate would not be able to confirm SC appointments

a Mexican standoff, just like the last 6 years of the Obama Administration

Gorsuch would be on the Supreme Court, someone suggested by the Repubs as a compromise candidate, and squarely middle of the road without partisan bias.

over 100 presidential declarations not signed. The LGBT community would not be in fear, nor would the Jewish community (and they are).

We would likely not be looking at an infinite expansion of the Afghan war, but a viable end-game.

We would likely be looking at economic policies that would be working to ensure that the low unemployment rate would be translating into higher wages.

We would likely be looking at programs to actually help the residents of the Coal Belt into modern jobs, instead of enticing them with Coal, which is not going to happen.

We would likely be looking at America as the leader of the world, instead of a laughing stock. We would actually be great, instead of a vassal to Russia.

We would actually HAVE a foreign policy, an economic policy, and the gov't would not be giving support to the KKK and Nazis.
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