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zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 9, 2017 - 07:15am PT
So far the Trump economy looks a lot like the Obama economy

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/07/Jobs_Monthly.jpg&w=1484


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/07/so-far-the-trump-economy-looks-a-lot-like-the-obama-economy/?utm_term=.c434d24eb355

Except for Putin-Trump, the United States is in the position of power, here.

The U.S. should be dictating terms to the Russian(s).
dirtbag

climber
Jul 9, 2017 - 08:27am PT
What a joke. Trump tweeted:

Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded..


So he's asking the perpetrator to team up with him to protect our elections.

Now we know the answer to the question, Does Trump swallow, too?


Another fine example of cleaning the swamp.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Jul 10, 2017 - 09:28am PT
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/09/biggest-threat-to-the-west-australian-journalist-demolishes-trump-after-g20

Chris Uhlmann, the political editor of the government-funded Australian Broadcasting Corporation, described Trump as “isolated and friendless” at the G20 leaders’ summit, and said his disastrous foreign policy had “pressed fast-forward on the decline of the United States”.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 10, 2017 - 09:34pm PT
If you can't joke about yer mailman who can you joke about

I never suspected the mailman was messing with my wife till we moved 400 miles and had the same one.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 11, 2017 - 07:12am PT
I never suspected the mailman was messing with my wife till we moved 400 miles and had the same one.

A great read:
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 11, 2017 - 07:27am PT
I wish our healthcare worked as well as the post office.

Pre-Obumblecare, my healthcare worked much better. Now it's much worse.

Regarding who pays for the USPS, you guys can dink around all you want, but it is a federal agency, and everything I said about the union, the "motivation," the pensions, and the rest is true.

http://postalnews.com/blog/2015/05/09/postal-myths-2-the-usps-is-not-a-government-agency/

Now, you might want to extol its virtues, but bang-for-buck it does NOT have! And that's typical of federal agencies. What we always get whenever the taxpayer is the "deep pocket" is waste, inefficiency, bungling, and poorer service. From the USPS to the military to SS-Medicare, and the list goes on, you see the effects of the ever-burgeoning bureaucracy.

Obumblecare was a nightmare for MOST Americans, and the relative few that "got insurance" from it are NOT really insured (as they have found out). The entire thing was force-fed us on the basis of lies that were known to be lies at the time. And now you want to trust this same pile of lunatics with even more power over the tiniest details of our lives???

You're all crazy. Flat out.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 11, 2017 - 08:02am PT
You're all crazy. Flat out.

Flattery will get you nowhere, my friend. I wish I could clone my mailman. I think he's like Chinese-Filipino. He's always got a smile and a joke for me. I'd use the clones to repopulate the drones down at the PO, except for the really nice older African American lady.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 11, 2017 - 08:06am PT
Imagine Chelsea Clinton had taken Bill Clinton and campaign chair John Podesta to a meeting set up by a Chinese government intermediary who claimed to have damaging information about Donald Trump’s tax returns and said over email they were willing to share the information in a bid to defeat Trump.


Imagine this information came out mere weeks after stories revealing a major Democratic funder, acting on the behest of prospective National Security Adviser Susan Rice, had been trying to work with Chinese hackers to steal copies of Trump’s tax returns.

Imagine, during all of this, that Hillary Clinton herself had gotten on a stage and begged the Chinese government to release Trump’s tax returns. “China, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the tax returns,” Clinton said in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Imagine that these stories were not isolated. They came alongside dozens of strange meetings between Clinton campaign aides and Chinese staffers — contacts left off security clearance forms and “forgotten” during sworn congressional testimony — and were buttressed by Clinton herself lurching toward a strangely pro-China policy and an unusual, and repeatedly articulated, affection for China’s leader.


And imagine that in a crucial stretch of the campaign, hackers backed by the Chinese government really did break into the Trump family’s systems and release a bevy of damaging financial documents in a successful effort to elect Clinton.

To simply write out this story is to strain credulity. It reads like a bad spy novel or a fevered conspiracy. Can you imagine what Fox News would be saying? What Rush Limbaugh would be saying? How deafening the calls for impeachment and investigation would be?


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/11/15950664/trump-jr-russia-meeting-clinton

Crickets on this from Pro Trump wingnuts who were set to roast Hillary on a spit.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 11, 2017 - 08:38am PT
Flattery will get you nowhere, my friend. I wish I could clone my mailman.

LOL

I'm with you regarding our particular mailman. Of course, the problem is not with individual people. The problem is with the system itself that breeds inefficiencies.

The same can be said regarding our military machine. The problems are not with the individual soldiers, the vast majority of whom are serving with the best of intentions and highest of commitments. The problems emerge with the waste that the massive beast engenders, coupled with the utter misuse of power stemming from the, well, lust for power that politicians have. "Hey, we've got this machine! Let's take it out for a drive and see what it can do. Hey, here's a Middle Eastern (or South American, or African) nation that needs a good invading."
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 11, 2017 - 08:45am PT
Pre-Obumblecare, my healthcare worked much better. Now it's much worse.

In what way?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 11, 2017 - 09:02am PT
I hear you, MB. Not long ago I sent my bro some important legal papers to his PO Box in Frisco - certified, registered, the whole nine yards. It came back stamped "Undeliverable"! He confronted the postmaster about it and was given the expected "we don't care cause we don't have to" response. And when my bro asked about the nine bucks I was out the phuktard just stared at him!
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 11, 2017 - 09:11am PT
^^^^ Happens countless times.

"Hey, I'm entitled to this cushy job with sweet pension. Phuck you all!"
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 11, 2017 - 09:11am PT
Typical stuff, restate the problem X100, offer no solutions. Complaining about the mail...have another piece of low-hanging fruit. Gee, healthcare is complicated. Who knew?
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 11, 2017 - 09:13am PT

America’s Shocking Maternal Deaths: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/opinion/sunday/americas-shocking-maternal-deaths.html

America with it's corporate ideology produces this. A little more care for the individual and much would be done.

The rate at which women die during pregnancy or shortly after childbirth has fallen sharply in many nations as maternal care has improved. The United States — and particularly Texas — is a glaring exception.

In Texas, for instance, according to a study in the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology, the maternal mortality ratio — maternal deaths per 100,000 live births — doubled to 35.8 in 2014 from 17.7 in 2000. Compare that with Germany, which had 4.1 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2014.

In California, that figure fell from 21.5 in 2003 to 15.1 in 2014, but in the remaining 48 states and the District of Columbia it increased from 18.8 in 2000 to 23.8 in 2014. The United States as a whole had the second-highest maternal mortality ratio among 31 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Only Mexico had a higher figure.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 11, 2017 - 09:21am PT
In what way?

Well, let's see. Where to start? WoT anyone?

How about overnight premium increase of 40.02%? How about that THAT "new and improved plan" had double the deductible, twice the co-pay, and paid 80% instead of 90%? How about that the "new and improved plan" cut the number of available doctors by 2/3, my previous doctor not on the list, and no more direct visits to specialists? How about that the "new and improved" plan was no longer a small group plan but was instead an individual plan (as the small group plans were no longer available)? How about now triple (or more) the lead-time needed to get an appointment?

You want more? I could go on and on.

In short, I pay MUCH more for MUCH less, and every tiny aspect of how Obumblecare was foisted off on the public was a lie.

When Obama said, "If you like your doctor, you can keep him," he KNEW THEN, as he said it, that it was a lie. When he said, "If you like your plan, you can keep it," he KNEW THEN, when he said it, that it was a lie.

These pricks KNEW AT THE TIME that they were handing the American people over to the insurance companies on a silver platter. They intentionally stifled competition, knowing that many smaller insurers would be driven out of regional markets, making the pie both larger and sweeter for the larger insurers. And, to sweeten the pie even further, they guaranteed that insurers could not suffer loss as the result of new mandates such as no-pre-existing-conditions.

There was ZERO "reform" in the plan. It just took MOST Americans that were reasonably satisfied with the way things worked and totally phucked them over to satisfy the clamoring of the very few.

But, you know, the Rebumblecons were put into office in large part TO repeal Obumblecare, and they can't find the huevos/will to do that. Their endless "repeal efforts" when their posturing was covered by the inevitable Obama veto were just that: Posturing!

What many have said on these thread about the Rebumblecons not knowing how to govern is spot-on. Give the Demoncrats power, and they DO things with it, such as CRAMMING Obumblecare down our throats. Give the Rebumblecons power, and they thrutch around like chickens with their heads cut off. It's pathetic.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 11, 2017 - 09:21am PT
Typical stuff, restate the problem X100, offer no solutions. Complaining about the mail...have another piece of low-hanging fruit. Gee, healthcare is complicated. Who knew?

I have to laugh. USPS works just fine 99% of the time, but people bitch anyway.

Oh, and Trumps Russia problems keep getting deeper.

Now an email from Jr. with manafort and kushner copied states that he would "love" getting Hillary intel from the Russians. Didn't bother him that they were pawns in a Putin plot.

Good thing the swamp is being drained. President Trump University is just the guy to do it.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 11, 2017 - 09:23am PT
So, Crankloon, you support taking people's money without giving anything in
return? Who do you work for, the Mafia or the USPS?

Dirt, 99% is a gud batting average but for nine bucks for important legal
papers I expect some accountability and a refund. Silly me.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 11, 2017 - 09:27am PT
Complaining about the mail...have another piece of low-hanging fruit. Gee, healthcare is complicated. Who knew?

Typical punt.

"Gee, it's complicated. So, wait. I know. Let's hand it over to the one entity that has REPEATEDLY demonstrated that it can't get the job done in cost-effective, efficient, reliable fashion. You know, let's entrust our lives and every TINY detail thereof to this entity that has REPEATEDLY demonstrated in countless ways that it does NOT have our best interest at heart."

Yeah, right.

I do NOT want mandatory waist-size measurements, fat vouchers, calorie police monitoring my Internet purchases, mandatory blood-sugar tests, mandatory health-reporting to some "review board" at the federal government, yet another MASSIVE and inefficient bureaucracy, and all the rest of the STUPIDITY that other nations have already demonstrated we can expect with the feds "doing" healthcare.

I don't trust 'em. I don't want 'em in my life. I want the IRS gone. I want the NSA to give me my privacy back. I want the healthcare plan I had four years ago. I want the government to STOP DOING THINGS that only phuck me over, cost me more, and do NOT serve my interests. Just STOP! DON'T do things. Stop!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 11, 2017 - 09:37am PT
Dirt, 99% is a gud batting average but for nine bucks for important legal
papers I expect some accountability and a refund. Silly me.


Fair point, but overall if everything worked 99%, or even 80%, as it should the world would be in pretty decent shape.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 11, 2017 - 09:57am PT

And producing maternal deaths following the rising trend of North Korea and Zimbabwe - the American privatized health care system is low cost, isn't it?


I'm sorry to say: Most expensive in the world.

Why not choose a better and lower cost public health care system?
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