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healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jun 30, 2017 - 11:13am PT
Whitey, whitey, whitey - why you so damn nervous all the time?
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2017 - 11:16am PT
An example of what we could be doing for more sustainable living on this planet if our national attention was locked in partisan identity battles that undermine or preset and future prosperity:
https://www.indy100.com/article/forest-city-china-air-pollution-town-trees-liuzhou-stefano-boeri-climate-change-paris-agreement-7809736

Norton

Social climber
Jun 30, 2017 - 11:32am PT
Ken, the slight decline in the US birth rate is very good news, well to me anyway.

The less people competing for resources the better for future sustainability.

The less people the fewer living lives of "quiet desperation"

personally I don't buy the necessity for economic growth argument in its entirety.

mostly because the gains go very strongly to the already extremely rich

a good dose of smart socialism ala Bernie but with significant moderations makes sense

the biggest threat to a better life for most Americans is not terrorism, it is the Republican Party
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanitty
Jun 30, 2017 - 11:38am PT
For a minute, just forget about healthcare, politics, parties, partisanship, consensus, compromise. disagreement, immigration and so on. Forget about Russians, Hillary, collusion, corruption, emoluments. Intelligence. Just for a second or two.

Put aside differences of opinion for a moment. Let us just focus on one person.

Trump is an assh0le. Period. A braggart. A sociopath. From cheating people who have done work for him (one does not amass that many lawsuits, either as plaintiff or defendant, if one is on the up and up) to inciting hatred and sowing division. The guy sucks donkey d*ck. He has no class, and it shows.

Just take a minute to think about it - his actions, words, demeanor.

How some people cannot see the guy is the back end of a baboon is beyond me. Well, not really, something about a sucker being born every minute.

EDIT
I have made an ass of myself more than once, but I always recognize it and apologize, sincerely. This guy does not know what the word 'sorry' is unless he is crying for an apology from somebody else.

And no I am not crying nor am I a snowflake. I just see the obvious with open eyes, no blinders or rose-tinted glasses. At the end of the day, short of a nuclear war, what Trump does isn't going to affect me all that much, if at all. But I cannot help but think about and pity the people he does affect.
Norton

Social climber
Jun 30, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
Good post Somebody!
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jun 30, 2017 - 05:46pm PT
the biggest threat to a better life for most Americans is not terrorism, it is the Republican Party

The fact that you can assert that with a straight face explains SO much.

And...

ECHO

Echo

echo

ech....
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jun 30, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
It's pretty convoluted Moose, but the x axis is in units of percent change in the average income for the top 1% compared to 1979 average income for the top 1%. Yikes, but it works.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jun 30, 2017 - 06:05pm PT
Bad Bolger look at the history of the cumulative damage done to society every time sum republic hair gets in!
From Ronnie ray gun to both those pubic-hair-bushes, the society , in real numbers, lost its footing falling to depravity . . .
(what' that? was then what's to blame for Allowing for the intern to get on her knees? Oh please that went on before, and he wasn't tappin' hitlery anymore by then)

till now when we have a rapist fascist totalitarian lovin' Phuket in the Red's house!
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 30, 2017 - 06:08pm PT
the mad butthole has spoken.

KKKatch a wave and you're slinking round the top of the world.


eenie, peenie, minee, mo

zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 30, 2017 - 06:20pm PT
have one on me, droolie

that's brown ale, not brown eye

zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 30, 2017 - 06:22pm PT
buddy buddy buddy

watch out

you're gonna get busted

for making sense


mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Jun 30, 2017 - 08:07pm PT
The best political podcast I've ever listened to; Dan Carlin's "Common Sense," Episode 314 - Unhealthy Numbers:

http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/#1497855672118-4e5d2742-633c

He looks at our health care system from the standpoint of financial efficiency (not much from the left or from the right) and calls it a scandal.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jun 30, 2017 - 08:48pm PT
Thanks Chris, how could I miss that? Well, I am relaxing by the lake. Excused? LOL

Btw, you mean, y axes, right?

What's your excuse?

Hahahahahahahaha! I 'm just glad I got some of that answer right Moose. I'm cracking open a Moosedrool to celebrate right now.

A serious question tho. Looking at this chart VVVVVVV

What happened politically between 1973 (Nixon and Ford) and approximately 1979 (under Jimmy Carter) that led to the departure of these two curves?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 30, 2017 - 10:24pm PT
Ken, the slight decline in the US birth rate is very good news, well to me anyway.

To me, as well. Otherwise, we are on an unsustainable course.

However, it is not a slight decline, and it is not new:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/29/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/

the drop since about 1960 is about 75%! And this is largely linear.

The teen birth rate in the U.S. is at a record low, dropping below 25 births per 1,000 teen females for the first time since the government began collecting consistent data on births to teens ages 15-19, according to a new report from the National Center for Health Statistics.

Nonwhite and younger teens have led the way in declining birth rates in recent years. Since the most recent peak in 2007, the birth rate among all teens has dropped by 42%. The declines among Hispanic (50%), Asian or Pacific Islander (48%) and black (44%) teens have outpaced this national average, while the decline among white teens (36%) has been somewhat more modest
nah000

climber
now/here
Jun 30, 2017 - 11:16pm PT
skreidc: i've always had the same question when viewing that chart... i've never seen anyone give a good explanation as to why there is such a perfect break, at that point in history, either...

only theory i have is that it was related to the nixon shock and the transitioning of the american dollar from commodity money to fiat money. this transition happened between 1971 to 1973.

that said while i have vague hand wavy theories of how this might have affected the sudden disconnection between increases in production and the flatlining of average compensation, the history of american currency is one that has moved back and forth between fixed commodity based money and floating fiat based money for the entirety of the history of the u.s. [although from 1945-1971 the u.s. was on a gold standard], so i'm also not sure whether the connection is just either coincidental or whether both are related to something even deeper...



anyway, i too would be interested in a good theory...
nah000

climber
now/here
Jun 30, 2017 - 11:34pm PT
^^^^

maybe... and likely has had some effect.

still there is such a perfect break in the mid seventies and union membership only changed from 30% to 12% during the extended time frame and it was a steady decline rather than a sudden drop to boot.

so seems unlikely, to me, that it was the primary cause of whatever caused the mid 70s break...

thanks for the thought though...
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Jul 1, 2017 - 07:56am PT
Do we have some globalization and outsourcing charts for comparison?
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 1, 2017 - 09:30am PT
I think it is pretty interesting too Nah000. Of course the tough part is discerning cause and effect. So in my mind there are really 2 points on the curve to focus on. Right around 72 or so, and around 79. If the 79 break in slope did not happen and the curve just continued on, we would not be having this conversation. Instead the slope goes negative then till about 1997 or so.

Definitely a link between unions and the slope, but I am not sure about cause and effect.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 1, 2017 - 09:59am PT
http://www.npr.org/2017/07/01/535062392/word-to-the-president-professionalism


Word To The President: 'Professionalism'


July 1, 20177:52 AM ET

Scott Simon
Commentary heard on Weekend Edition Saturday



A chorus of distinguished names from President Trump's own party have condemned his personal attack on Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough of MSNBC. I'd rather not repeat the president's words, which are ugly. A number of Republicans told Trump his tweets have been beneath the dignity of the presidency.

"This has to stop," Sen. Susan Collins of Maine tweeted. "– we all have a job – 3 branches of gov't and media. We don't have to get along, but we must show respect and civility."

Based on his campaign and five months in the White House, I do not know if calls for respect, civility and dignity reach President Trump. Please let me try another word: professionalism.

I like to think New Yorkers in particular respect professionalism, when they see it in a Broadway singer, a billionaire, a politician, police officer, a street vendor, or Derek Jeter.

Professionals respect the public. They treat each other with respect. They do their jobs and don't kvetch when other professionals do theirs.

Years ago, I did a profile of New York's Mayor Ed Koch. He didn't like it, and called to tell me so, in a 10-minute harangue that was as eloquently profane as the iron screech of the No. 7 Flushing train. The mayor told me I was wrong; the critics I included in the story were crazy, and a guy from the Midwest, which is how he dismissed Chicago, couldn't possibly understand his New York charm. I told the mayor he was entitled to his opinion.

Then Mayor Koch stopped and said, "Well, I've had my say. How are you?" We each did our jobs and had a respectful, even cordial, professional reporter-and-politician relationship for years thereafter.

President Trump may insist he is not a professional politician. But Donald Trump has been a public figure for more than five decades. It is the life he chose. He's been eager to be featured in financial columns, personality profiles, talk shows, magazine covers, TV shows and gossip columns. He's shared intimate details of his life on The Howard Stern Show.

Some reporting on Donald Trump has been aggressive and fair, some of it has been simply fawning, and some of it no doubt has sometimes been wrong. But professionals do their best, shrug off critics, or even smile, and just keep on going.

A man shouldn't come to bat in Yankee Stadium and then complain when someone throws him a curve.
c wilmot

climber
Jul 1, 2017 - 10:24am PT
Professionals respect the public

Must be why NPR decided to not allow public commentary...
Nothing says respecting the public like censoring their opinions
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