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NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2017 - 10:37am PT
California is going on the record listing Glyphosate (Roundup Weed Killer, present in almost all wheat and many other grains in America) as a carcinogen:
 https://oehha.ca.gov/proposition-65/crnr/glyphosate-listed-effective-july-7-2017-known-state-california-cause-cancer#_ftnref3
 http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/28/health/california-glyphosate-cancer-chemical-listing/index.html

While Monsanto was fighting in court to block California from doing this, they successfully lobbied the US Department of Agriculture to stop testing for the presence of Glyphosate in our food supply! Good ol' USDA not even measuring a poison where reputable science has shown a problem to human health, and where lawsuits are pending at state level to list it as a carcinogen. That is criminally negligent on the agency side, and it is a criminal conspiracy on the company side to harm millions of people for a financial motive.

Glyphosate is used in almost all wheat, corn, soy, and gluten-free grain substitutes in America, and even products labeled Organic commonly test with glyphosate poison residues. We are all bombarded with it in North America. The agency in charge of agricultural practices to protect our food supply bent to the will of a profit machine while knowingly exposing us all to death and chronic health problems. We are literally being killed by our food under the aegis of a lax regulatory environment.

This is a PERFECT example of several major weaknesses and failures in our national government:
 we need federal regulations to protect the health and safety of our citizenry and to protect the environment in which we must live. Citizens and private industry do not have sufficient power or scope to evaluate the complex supply chain of our food! Unless we go back to a self-sufficient agrarian society, this must be a primary role of a national government. Technology has created a risk to our society that was not present at the time the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution. Falling back to that limited notion of government is ridiculous.

 we need to stop the revolving door between our government overseer agencies and the executive ranks of the industries they are overseeing. There should be a white-collar crime branch of the FBI that specifically audits the income of all past employees from overseer agencies to detect and prosecute those who accept any form of employment or benefit (directly or through shell corporations on employer or employee side) from the companies regulated by the industry. It should be a criminally indictable offense with jail time and stiff fines.

 we need more powerful tools and transparency to thwart industry lobbying in general

 we need more education in our schools to foster critical thinking, to improve the effectiveness of our voting citizenry to support our long term well-being. We need to educate people about how government regulations are protections for all of us people, protecting our long term priorities and collective well-being. People need better tools and defenses against the stupid political slogans about "burdensome regulations"

It is unrealistic to expect everybody to have a self-sufficient food supply to protect against this. It is one of many facets in how the "deconstruction" of our federal government agencies will lead to the deconstruction of our society.

More info from my post on this thread 3 months ago:

We already know EPA is being gutted with specific plans to eliminate it entirely. So more poisoned air and water.

So it should be no surprise that consumer protections of the food we eat will be rolled back too. Amidst growing evidence that glyphosate causes major human health problems (Roundup weed killer from Monsanto- the reason they wanted to make genetically engineered plants so they can just blanket spray the stuff over all crops we eat), now we have the US Dept of Agriculture suspending tests for this poison:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/usda-drops-plan-to-test-for-monsanto-weed-killer-in_us_58d2db4ee4b062043ad4af84

Glyphosate is used in almost all wheat, corn, soy, and gluten-free grain substitutes in America, and even products labeled Organic have tested with glyphosate poison residues. We are all bombarded with it in North America. Here are links to human health:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/


So while the USA is turning a blind eye to something that might be poisoning hundreds of millions of people in our country, here is what is happening in places that still embrace "facts":
http://sustainablepulse.com/2016/07/12/eu-member-states-support-restrictions-of-use-for-glyphosate-herbicides/#.V8BUJfl97IU

http://sustainablepulse.com/2016/08/26/italian-health-ministry-places-strict-restrictions-on-glyphosate-herbicide-use/

What can you do? Buy Glyphosate-free certified foods.

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Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jun 29, 2017 - 11:52am PT
The most patriotic thing possible is Paying Your Fair Share of taxes, so it can do it's work. The Gov. doesn't need anything more from You as a Citizen, other than to not cause problems that raise costs.
I think being personally responsible, respectful of others and ethical goes farther.
(EDIT: Raising children to be responsible adults is the most important task in any society)
In fact let's eliminate the personal income tax and go to national sales tax and give corporations incentives to bring the money home and pay more taxes...General Electric and congress, I'm talking to you and your ilk.

Kennedy's tax cut from 90% to 75% on the top tax rate was actually a Tax Increase revenue wise, because he eliminated all the loopholes that the rich were using to avoid paying any taxes.
There were probably many loopholes still available, and if the tax cut increased revenue, Arthur Laffer was happy.
I perceive that is the reason Kennedy said a rising tide lifts all boats.


And vote! If you don't vote, then someone else is selecting the gov't that will rule YOU.
I like it when dumb, ignorant or disinterested people don't vote ;-)

I'm gonna leave my comments at that, otherwise I'll get sucked into the poli-thread vortex again.
Cheers

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 29, 2017 - 11:53am PT
In fact let's eliminate the personal income tax and go to national sales tax

Increase taxes on the working poor and lower taxes for billionaires. Sounds like a great idea.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jun 29, 2017 - 12:03pm PT
Gary,
You are right about that. But we also know that the only way the government will take care of the national debt is to inflate our way out of it. This is also an insidious tax on the working poor.
As far as Billionaires go, a national sales tax, taxes the most those who spend the most money. Not perfect, but everything has a cost, and most likely unintended consequences.
And we all know that huge taxes on corporations are only passed down to consumers, another insidious tax on consumers
I'll stop now and respectfully disagree with the DNC's perspective on how to save the country and the world.
Cheers
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Jun 29, 2017 - 12:34pm PT
Ontheedge typed the best single sentence in this thread:

"It's wasteful to have a massive middle man sucking up most health care dollars."
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jun 29, 2017 - 01:03pm PT
An effective tax rate of 17.1 really isn't that high.


https://qz.com/74271/income-tax-rates-since-1913/


And a effective corporate rate of 25 per cent seem reasonable.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2017/04/18/what-americas-biggest-companies-pay-in-taxes/#3d86605e2f51
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jun 29, 2017 - 02:46pm PT
When you travel somewhere by car for work you can deduct nothing up to 2% of AGI. Above 2% AGI you can deduct 54 cents per mile.

An executive in a corporate jet has a shell company to own the jet and there is no limit on what they deduct, say for a real estate exec to fly to Mir A Lago for a weekend, perhaps $1,000 per mile for a 727.

So what is my point? My point is that corporations give their execs non taxable pay. For example, SDGE (Sempra) built a $20 million giant resort in Mexico, for the sole use of their executives, who pay nothing for these "work" retreats. http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/watchdog/sdut-ex-exec-says-sempra-resort-got-him-fired-2010nov13-htmlstory.html

When a company buys a luxury box for a season of major league sports, they write it off as an entertainment "expense." Do you think the execs in the box are going to start reporting this giveaway as taxable income?
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jun 29, 2017 - 03:04pm PT
Nice post Nut. Worth a repost;
California is going on the record listing Glyphosate (Roundup Weed Killer, present in almost all wheat and many other grains in America) as a carcinogen:
https://oehha.ca.gov/proposition-65/crnr/glyphosate-listed-effective-july-7-2017-known-state-california-cause-cancer#_ftnref3
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/28/health/california-glyphosate-cancer-chemical-listing/index.html

While Monsanto was fighting in court to block California from doing this, they successfully lobbied the US Department of Agriculture to stop testing for the presence of Glyphosate in our food supply! Good ol' USDA not even measuring a poison where reputable science has shown a problem to human health, and where lawsuits are pending at state level to list it as a carcinogen. That is criminally negligent on the agency side, and it is a criminal conspiracy on the company side to harm millions of people for a financial motive.

Glyphosate is used in almost all wheat, corn, soy, and gluten-free grain substitutes in America, and even products labeled Organic commonly test with glyphosate poison residues. We are all bombarded with it in North America. The agency in charge of agricultural practices to protect our food supply bent to the will of a profit machine while knowingly exposing us all to death and chronic health problems. We are literally being killed by our food under the aegis of a lax regulatory environment.

This is a PERFECT example of several major weaknesses and failures in our national government:
we need federal regulations to protect the health and safety of our citizenry and to protect the environment in which we must live. Citizens and private industry do not have sufficient power or scope to evaluate the complex supply chain of our food! Unless we go back to a self-sufficient agrarian society, this must be a primary role of a national government. Technology has created a risk to our society that was not present at the time the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution. Falling back to that limited notion of government is ridiculous.

we need to stop the revolving door between our government overseer agencies and the executive ranks of the industries they are overseeing. There should be a white-collar crime branch of the FBI that specifically audits the income of all past employees from overseer agencies to detect and prosecute those who accept any form of employment or benefit (directly or through shell corporations on employer or employee side) from the companies regulated by the industry. It should be a criminally indictable offense with jail time and stiff fines.

we need more powerful tools and transparency to thwart industry lobbying in general

we need more education in our schools to foster critical thinking, to improve the effectiveness of our voting citizenry to support our long term well-being. We need to educate people about how government regulations are protections for all of us people, protecting our long term priorities and collective well-being. People need better tools and defenses against the stupid political slogans about "burdensome regulations"

It is unrealistic to expect everybody to have a self-sufficient food supply to protect against this. It is one of many facets in how the "deconstruction" of our federal government agencies will lead to the deconstruction of our society.

More info from my post on this thread 3 months ago:

We already know EPA is being gutted with specific plans to eliminate it entirely. So more poisoned air and water.

So it should be no surprise that consumer protections of the food we eat will be rolled back too. Amidst growing evidence that glyphosate causes major human health problems (Roundup weed killer from Monsanto- the reason they wanted to make genetically engineered plants so they can just blanket spray the stuff over all crops we eat), now we have the US Dept of Agriculture suspending tests for this poison:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/usda-drops-plan-to-test-for-monsanto-weed-killer-in_us_58d2db4ee4b062043ad4af84

Glyphosate is used in almost all wheat, corn, soy, and gluten-free grain substitutes in America, and even products labeled Organic have tested with glyphosate poison residues. We are all bombarded with it in North America. Here are links to human health:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/


So while the USA is turning a blind eye to something that might be poisoning hundreds of millions of people in our country, here is what is happening in places that still embrace "facts":
http://sustainablepulse.com/2016/07/12/eu-member-states-support-restrictions-of-use-for-glyphosate-herbicides/#.V8BUJfl97IU

http://sustainablepulse.com/2016/08/26/italian-health-ministry-places-strict-restrictions-on-glyphosate-herbicide-use/

What can you do? Buy Glyphosate-free certified foods.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jun 29, 2017 - 03:06pm PT
Definitely one of the best things you can do is don't give them (Monsanto) your money if you can help it. Not always an easy thing to do btw.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jun 29, 2017 - 07:50pm PT

Eat Organic!!!
dirtbag

climber
Jun 30, 2017 - 08:07am PT
As great as it would be to talk about substantive policy issues, the number one problem we have is the fact that we have an insecure, unhinged, and crooked president.

You've all read yesterday's tweets: Mika and Joe hit back, revealing:

The president’s unhealthy obsession with our show has been in the public record for months, and we are seldom surprised by his posting nasty tweets about us. During the campaign, the Republican nominee called Mika “neurotic” and promised to attack us personally after the campaign ended. This year, top White House staff members warned that the National Enquirer was planning to publish a negative article about us unless we begged the president to have the story spiked. We ignored their desperate pleas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-not-well/2017/06/30/97759ee0-5d0f-11e7-9b7d-14576dc0f39d_story.html

So...they were told to grovel before the president, or else the national enquirer would dish dirt on them? It's their word against the president's on this, but they claim they have texts to back it up.

Nice going, GOP.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jun 30, 2017 - 08:28am PT
Trump
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re about to find the 30,000 [Hillary Clinton] emails that are missing,” he said at a press conference. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let's see if that happens. That will be next.”

They were listening, and the hacking was already in progress


So a GOP operative (Peter Smith who died soon after) colluded with Michael Flynn to try and get them from Russia

A tantalizing new report from Shane Harris of the Wall Street Journal gives the strongest indication yet that collusion may have occurred — or was at least attempted — between supporters of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and Russian hackers who targeted Democrats’ emails.

And it raises serious questions about whether fired National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was involved in these efforts to contact hackers.
https://www.vox.com/2017/6/29/15896582/trump-russia-michael-flynn-wsj
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jun 30, 2017 - 08:43am PT
New York Times List of Trump lies from Jan 21 to June 21, 2017

Jan. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)Jan. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)Jan. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There's no evidence of illegal voting.)Jan. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.)Jan. 25 “Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)” (The report never mentioned voter fraud.)Jan. 25 “You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.)Jan. 25 “So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.” (There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.)Jan. 26 “We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't.” (Vetting lasts up to two years.)Jan. 26 “I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn't like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better.” (Most of the cuts were already planned.)Jan. 28 “The coverage about me in the @nytimes and the @washingtonpost has been so false and angry that the Times actually apologized to its dwindling subscribers and readers.” (It never apologized.)Jan. 29 “The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that vote.” (There is no support for this.)Jan. 30 “Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage.” (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta outage happened two days later.)Feb. 3 “Professional anarchists, thugs and paid protesters are proving the point of the millions of people who voted to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” (There is no evidence of paid protesters.)Feb. 4 “After being forced to apologize for its bad and inaccurate coverage of me after winning the election, the FAKE NEWS @nytimes is still lost!” (It never apologized.)Feb. 5 “We had 109 people out of hundreds of thousands of travelers and all we did was vet those people very, very carefully.” (About 60,000 people were affected.)Feb. 6 “I have already saved more than $700 million when I got involved in the negotiation on the F-35.” (Much of the price drop was projected before Trump took office.)Feb. 6 “It's gotten to a point where it is not even being reported. And in many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn't want to report it.” (Terrorism has been reported on, often in detail.)Feb. 6 “The failing @nytimes was forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win. Now they are worse!” (It didn't apologize.)Feb. 6 “And the previous administration allowed it to happen because we shouldn't have been in Iraq, but we shouldn't have gotten out the way we got out. It created a vacuum, ISIS was formed.” (The group’s origins date to 2004.)Feb. 7 “And yet the murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years, right? Did you know that? Forty-seven years.” (It was higher in the 1980s and '90s.)Feb. 7 “I saved more than $600 million. I got involved in negotiation on a fighter jet, the F-35.” (The Defense Department projected this price drop before Trump took office.)Feb. 9 “Chris Cuomo, in his interview with Sen. Blumenthal, never asked him about his long-term lie about his brave ‘service’ in Vietnam. FAKE NEWS!” (It was part of Cuomo's first question.)Feb. 9 Sen. Richard Blumenthal “now misrepresents what Judge Gorsuch told him?” (The Gorsuch comments were later corroborated.)Feb. 10 “I don’t know about it. I haven’t seen it. What report is that?” (Trump knew about Flynn's actions for weeks.)Feb. 12 “Just leaving Florida. Big crowds of enthusiastic supporters lining the road that the FAKE NEWS media refuses to mention. Very dishonest!” (The media did cover it.)Feb. 16 “We got 306 because people came out and voted like they've never seen before so that's the way it goes. I guess it was the biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan.” (George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama all won bigger margins in the Electoral College.)Feb. 16 “That’s the other thing that was wrong with the travel ban. You had Delta with a massive problem with their computer system at the airports.” (Delta's problems happened two days later.)Feb. 16 “Walmart announced it will create 10,000 jobs in the United States just this year because of our various plans and initiatives.” (The jobs are a result of its investment plans announced in October 2016.)Feb. 16 “When WikiLeaks, which I had nothing to do with, comes out and happens to give, they’re not giving classified information.” (Not always. They have released classified information in the past.)Feb. 16 “We had a very smooth rollout of the travel ban. But we had a bad court. Got a bad decision.” (The rollout was chaotic.)Feb. 16 “They’re giving stuff — what was said at an office about Hillary cheating on the debates. Which, by the way, nobody mentions. Nobody mentions that Hillary received the questions to the debates.” (It was widely covered.)Feb. 18 “And there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing.” (Refugees receive multiple background checks, taking up to two years.)Feb. 18 “You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?” (Trump implied there was a terror attack in Sweden, but there was no such attack.)Feb. 24 “By the way, you folks are in here — this place is packed, there are lines that go back six blocks.” (There was no evidence of long lines.)Feb. 24 “ICE came and endorsed me.” (Only its union did.)Feb. 24 “Obamacare covers very few people — and remember, deduct from the number all of the people that had great health care that they loved that was taken away from them — it was taken away from them.” (Obamacare increased coverage by a net of about 20 million.)Feb. 27 “Since Obamacare went into effect, nearly half of the insurers are stopped and have stopped from participating in the Obamacare exchanges.” (Many fewer pulled out.)Feb. 27 “On one plane, on a small order of one plane, I saved $725 million. And I would say I devoted about, if I added it up, all those calls, probably about an hour. So I think that might be my highest and best use.” (Much of the price cut was already projected.)Feb. 28 “And now, based on our very strong and frank discussions, they are beginning to do just that.” (NATO countries agreed to meet defense spending requirements in 2014.)Feb. 28 “The E.P.A.’s regulators were putting people out of jobs by the hundreds of thousands.” (There's no evidence that the Waters of the United States rule caused severe job losses.)Feb. 28 “We have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a five-year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials.” (They can't lobby their former agency but can still become lobbyists.)March 3 “It is so pathetic that the Dems have still not approved my full Cabinet.” (Paperwork for the last two candidates was still not submitted to the Senate.)March 4 “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!” (There's no evidence of a wiretap.)March 4 “How low has President Obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!” (There's no evidence of a wiretap.)March 7 “122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!” (113 of them were released by President George W. Bush.)March 13 “I saved a lot of money on those jets, didn't I? Did I do a good job? More than $725 million on them.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)March 13 “First of all, it covers very few people.” (About 20 million people gained insurance under Obamacare.)March 15 “On the airplanes, I saved $725 million. Probably took me a half an hour if you added up all of the times.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)March 17 “I was in Tennessee — I was just telling the folks — and half of the state has no insurance company, and the other half is going to lose the insurance company.” (There's at least one insurer in every Tennessee county.)March 20 “With just one negotiation on one set of airplanes, I saved the taxpayers of our country over $700 million.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)March 21 “To save taxpayer dollars, I’ve already begun negotiating better contracts for the federal government — saving over $700 million on just one set of airplanes of which there are many sets.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)March 22 “I make the statement, everyone goes crazy. The next day they have a massive riot, and death, and problems.” (Riots in Sweden broke out two days later and there were no deaths.)March 22 “NATO, obsolete, because it doesn’t cover terrorism. They fixed that.” (It has fought terrorism since the 1980s.)March 22 “Well, now, if you take a look at the votes, when I say that, I mean mostly they register wrong — in other words, for the votes, they register incorrectly and/or illegally. And they then vote. You have tremendous numbers of people.” (There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud.)March 29 “Remember when the failing @nytimes apologized to its subscribers, right after the election, because their coverage was so wrong. Now worse!” (It didn't apologize.)March 31 “We have a lot of plants going up now in Michigan that were never going to be there if I — if I didn’t win this election, those plants would never even think about going back. They were gone.” (These investments were already planned.)April 2 “And I was totally opposed to the war in the Middle East which I think finally has been proven, people tried very hard to say I wasn’t but you’ve seen that it is now improving.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)April 2 “Now, my last tweet — you know, the one that you are talking about, perhaps — was the one about being, in quotes, wiretapped, meaning surveilled. Guess what, it is turning out to be true.” (There is still no evidence.)April 5 “You have many states coming up where they’re going to have no insurance company. O.K.? It’s already happened in Tennessee. It’s happening in Kentucky. Tennessee only has half coverage. Half the state is gone. They left.” (Every marketplace region in Tennessee had at least one insurer.)April 6 “If you look at the kind of cost-cutting we’ve been able to achieve with the military and at the same time ordering vast amounts of equipment — saved hundreds of millions of dollars on airplanes, and really billions, because if you take that out over a period of years it’s many billions of dollars — I think we’ve had a tremendous success.” (Much of the price cuts were already projected.)April 11 “I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn’t know Steve.” (He knew Steve Bannon since 2011.)April 12 “You can't do it faster, because they're obstructing. They're obstructionists. So I have people — hundreds of people that we're trying to get through. I mean you have — you see the backlog. We can't get them through.” (At this point, he had not nominated anyone for hundreds of positions.)April 12 “The New York Times said the word wiretapped in the headline of the first edition. Then they took it out of there fast when they realized.” (There were separate headlines for print and web, but neither were altered.)April 12 “The secretary general and I had a productive discussion about what more NATO can do in the fight against terrorism. I complained about that a long time ago and they made a change, and now they do fight terrorism.” (NATO has been engaged in counterterrorism efforts since the 1980s.)April 12 “Mosul was supposed to last for a week and now they’ve been fighting it for many months and so many more people died.” (The campaign was expected to take months.)April 16 “Someone should look into who paid for the small organized rallies yesterday. The election is over!” (There's no evidence of paid protesters.)April 18 “The fake media goes, ‘Donald Trump changed his stance on China.’ I haven’t changed my stance.” (He did.)April 21 “On 90 planes I saved $725 million. It's actually a little bit more than that, but it's $725 million.” (Much of the price cuts were already projected.)April 21 “When WikiLeaks came out … never heard of WikiLeaks, never heard of it.” (He criticized it as early as 2010.)April 27 “I want to help our miners while the Democrats are blocking their healthcare.” (The bill to extend health benefits for certain coal miners was introduced by a Democrat and was co-sponsored by mostly Democrats.)April 28 “The trade deficit with Mexico is close to $70 billion, even with Canada it’s $17 billion trade deficit with Canada.” (The U.S. had an $8.1 billion trade surplus, not deficit, with Canada in 2016.)April 28 “She's running against someone who's going to raise your taxes to the sky, destroy your health care, and he's for open borders — lots of crime.” (Those are not Jon Ossoff's positions.)April 28 “The F-35 fighter jet program — it was way over budget. I’ve saved $725 million plus, just by getting involved in the negotiation.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.)April 29 “They're incompetent, dishonest people who after an election had to apologize because they covered it, us, me, but all of us, they covered it so badly that they felt they were forced to apologize because their predictions were so bad.” (The Times did not apologize.)April 29 “As you know, I've been a big critic of China, and I've been talking about currency manipulation for a long time. But I have to tell you that during the election, number one, they stopped.” (China stopped years ago.)April 29 “I've already saved more than $725 million on a simple order of F-35 planes. I got involved in the negotiation.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.)April 29 “We're also getting NATO countries to finally step up and contribute their fair share. They've begun to increase their contributions by billions of dollars, but we are not going to be satisfied until everyone pays what they owe.” (The deal was struck in 2014.)April 29 “When they talk about currency manipulation, and I did say I would call China, if they were, a currency manipulator, early in my tenure. And then I get there. Number one, they — as soon as I got elected, they stopped.” (China stopped in 2014.)April 29 “I was negotiating to reduce the price of the big fighter jet contract, the F-35, which was totally out of control. I will save billions and billions and billions of dollars.” (Most of the cuts were planned before Trump.)April 29 “I think our side's been proven very strongly. And everybody's talking about it.” (There's still no evidence Trump's phones were tapped.)May 1 “Well, we are protecting pre-existing conditions. And it'll be every good — bit as good on pre-existing conditions as Obamacare.” (The bill weakens protections for people with pre-existing conditions.)May 1 “The F-35 fighter jet — I saved — I got involved in the negotiation. It's 2,500 jets. I negotiated for 90 planes, lot 10. I got $725 million off the price.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.)May 1 “First of all, since I started running, they haven't increased their — you know, they have not manipulated their currency. I think that was out of respect to me and the campaign.” (China stopped years ago.)May 2 “I love buying those planes at a reduced price. I have been really — I have cut billions — I have to tell you this, and they can check, right, Martha? I have cut billions and billions of dollars off plane contracts sitting here.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)May 4 “Number two, they’re actually not a currency [manipulator]. You know, since I’ve been talking about currency manipulation with respect to them and other countries, they stopped.” (China stopped years ago.)May 4 “We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.)May 4 “Nobody cares about my tax return except for the reporters.” (Polls show most Americans do care.)May 8 “You know we’ve gotten billions of dollars more in NATO than we’re getting. All because of me.” (The deal was struck in 2014.)May 8 “But when I did his show, which by the way was very highly rated. It was high — highest rating. The highest rating he’s ever had.” (Colbert's “Late Show” debut had nearly two million more viewers.)May 8 “Director Clapper reiterated what everybody, including the fake media already knows — there is ‘no evidence’ of collusion w/ Russia and Trump.” (Clapper only said he wasn't aware of an investigation.)May 12 “Again, the story that there was collusion between the Russians & Trump campaign was fabricated by Dems as an excuse for losing the election.” (The F.B.I. was investigating before the election.)May 12 “When James Clapper himself, and virtually everyone else with knowledge of the witch hunt, says there is no collusion, when does it end?” (Clapper said he wouldn't have been told of an investigation into collusion.)May 13 “I'm cutting the price of airplanes with Lockheed.” (The cost cuts were planned before he became president.)May 26 “Just arrived in Italy for the G7. Trip has been very successful. We made and saved the USA many billions of dollars and millions of jobs.” (He's referencing an arms deal that's not enacted and other apparent deals that weren't announced on the trip.)June 1 “China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants. So, we can’t build the plants, but they can, according to this agreement. India will be allowed to double its coal production by 2020.” (The agreement doesn’t allow or disallow building coal plants.)June 1 “I’ve just returned from a trip overseas where we concluded nearly $350 billion of military and economic development for the United States, creating hundreds of thousands of jobs.” (Trump’s figures are inflated and premature.)June 4 “At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is ‘no reason to be alarmed!’” (The mayor was specifically talking about the enlarged police presence on the streets.)June 5 “The Justice Dept. should have stayed with the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to S.C.” (Trump signed this version of the travel ban, not the Justice Department.)June 21 “They all say it's 'nonbinding.' Like hell it's nonbinding.” (The Paris climate agreement is nonbinding — and Trump said so in his speech announcing the withdrawal.)June 21 “Right now, we are one of the highest-taxed nations in the world.” (We're not.)
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jun 30, 2017 - 08:47am PT
Yeah but Clinton lied about Monica... gotcha..
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jun 30, 2017 - 08:54am PT
And Hillary;
said it was the video, and it was
and said that she flew in under sniper fire, because the pilot told her they flew in under sniper fire the last time he flew in
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jun 30, 2017 - 09:19am PT
The new AHCA will be fantastic , stupendous , and great except for 22 million of you pathetic losers...
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jun 30, 2017 - 09:23am PT
Hillary e-mail scandal exposed, no crimes were committed

https://www.vox.com/2016/10/10/13222360/trump-emails-clinton

excerpts

Here’s Trump:

I didn't think I'd say this, and I'm going to say it and hate to say it: If I win, I'm going to instruct the attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there's never been so many lies, so much deception.

There has never been anything like this, where emails and you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena, you delete 33,000 emails and then acid wash them or bleach them.

We should get the most important point about this out of the way: From what we know from the FBI, Trump’s accusation that is flat-out incorrect. FBI Director James Comey has repeatedly said that there’s “no evidence” Clinton’s emails were deleted in an attempt to hide them, and all of the documents released by the FBI’s investigation since then have backed that up that conclusion.

But like many wild accusations, Trump’s claim is built around a true fact: Somewhere around 33,000 emails from Clinton’s time as secretary of state really were deleted. Trump, however, omitted the most crucial fact about these emails — Clinton’s team ordered them to be deleted before any subpoenas had been issued.

The decision to delete Clinton’s personal emails came before the congressional subpoena

The key to understanding what’s going on here is to first go back to why Clinton’s emails were deleted in the first place.

All of the emails Clinton sent or received while secretary of state were once being stored on one private server. When a congressional investigation into Benghazi began asking for records from her time as secretary of state, Clinton ordered her lawyers to give the State Department all of her "work-related" emails.

This is how we get to two separate batches of Clinton emails — the first “work-related” emails turned over to the state department, and the second “non-work related” emails that stayed on the private server.

That first batch of around 30,000 emails has been released piecemeal by the State Department. The second batch of “non-work related” emails, around 32,000 of them, were eventually deleted.


It’s for the deletion of this second group of emails that Trump thinks Clinton should be jailed. The idea, popular among some conservatives, is that Clinton ducked congressional investigators by deleting these private emails — which they think may have contained damaging Clinton secrets — while under subpoena.

This accusation is very difficult to maintain under the facts produced by the FBI for a few key reasons.

For one, Clinton’s staff told the contractor managing the private sever to delete the second batch of emails in December 2014, according to the FBI. The House Republicans’ Benghazi committee didn’t order that all emails on the private server be preserved until March 2015. (There’s a complicated counter-narrative that these emails weren’t actually deleted until a conference call with Bill Clinton’s attorneys after the subpoena was issued, but that story doesn’t make much sense for reasons I explained here.)

It’s also not really possible to think that Clinton herself is responsible for hiding and deleting the “non-work related” emails that Trump is referencing. That’s because Clinton delegated those decisions to her attorneys — nobody has claimed that Clinton herself determined which emails were work-related and which ones were not.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2017 - 10:45am PT
Who thinks it is a good idea for an impulsive and bullying administration to obtain the voting records of every citizen?https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/29/trumps-voter-fraud-commission-wants-to-know-the-voting-history-party-id-and-address-of-every-voter-in-america/

Whatever potential benefit this would have in terms of reducing future voter fraud (which is minimal given that solutions to fraud would not require a historical record of this data), such benefits are VASTLY outweighed by the myriad ways these data can be misused:

 training artificial intelligence to better correlate actual voting behavior with other behavioral indicators, making the political marketing manipulations even more effective at manipulating people (and more tailored to keeping the present political power centers in power). I'll bet these data would be passed to Cambridge Analytica.

 list building for proactive elimination of opposition: maybe not midnight knocking down doors right away... probably more like selective enforcement of laws and embarrassing or discrediting folks through whatever methods possible as part of a longer term intimidation and marginalization strategy. Here again, the voting records and all Internet activity of every citizen would easily be available. Identifying networks of influence through emails and tweets and forum participation, identifying loved ones who might be subtly or overtly threatened, access to quotable content that can be taken out of context for whatever purpose, porn viewing activity, etc....


Scary stuff. The bottom line is that people are competitive, people want to win and rise to power or stay in power, and nothing is too sacred to be sacrificed in this quest. It is a game that nobody can quit if they want to rise to or stay in power, and the longer it is played the more we all lose.
beaner

Social climber
Maine
Jun 30, 2017 - 11:00am PT
As far as Billionaires go, a national sales tax, taxes the most those who spend the most money. Not perfect, but everything has a cost, and most likely unintended consequences.

Billionaires don't become billionaires by spending all their money... the poor spend every dollar they earn, plus some -- so with a national sales tax and no income tax the poor would pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than the wealthy. And the wealthy will continue to accumulate more and more wealth at an even faster rate than they are now.

Tax plans that don't include higher top marginal income tax rates and higher capital gains taxes will just continue the massive accumulations of wealth in the top 1% at the expense of the other 99%.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 30, 2017 - 11:08am PT
Front page WaPost, but I see very little widespread discussion of this. It has HUGE consequences for the US, both culturally and economically, where the bottom line assumption is GROWTH.


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