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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 24, 2017 - 09:22pm PT
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We COULD contact our "representatives" and say something like, "Get off your a55es and hold Congressional hearings on the costs of health care and the profits (and salaries) of insurers.
First Lady Hillary Clinton was the chair of the hearings that you wish were held, and were held.
So much for that approach. Were you in elementary school?
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Mar 24, 2017 - 10:51pm PT
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They have us right where they want us--FIGHTING EACH OTHER AND NOT THEM.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Mar 24, 2017 - 10:55pm PT
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^^^^
and bing-o was his name-o...
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Mar 25, 2017 - 06:59am PT
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Back to Cosmic's hope that a better, bipartisan plan could be found. OK, let's forget he voted for a guy for POTUS who knows nothing at all about the subject, zippo. And a GOP congress who after 7 years came up with a hastily prepared hodgepodge of crap that favored the rich and threw millions off healthcare. And a POTUS who at same time was proposing a massive increase in military spending. Let's forget and forgive on that one. Now what?
Who wants national healthcare along the lines of other developed countries, one that might cost $$ in taxes but lowers the cost to a reasonable level, not our super-expensive nightmare? One that doesn't bankrupt a person suffering from a serious illness or accident. Where those who can't afford it still get basic services and aren't treated as "freeloaders". Where doctors and other professionals make a good living but aren't paid exorbitant salaries. And pharmaceutical companies charge what their product is worth.
What if a state overhauled their system and was used as an example? Is that possible? Bernie and others tried in Vermont, but that went south. I don't have the answer. Hope someone does.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Mar 25, 2017 - 07:14am PT
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What if a state overhauled their system and was used as an example? Is that possible? Bernie and others tried in Vermont, but that went south. I don't have the answer. Hope someone does.
A state was reformed, by a Republican no less, and it worked pretty well compared what was in place before anyway. It was used as an example for national healthcare even.
Romneycare was the blueprint of the ACA.
Then the ACA was then blasted as Socialism and so much worse. It is hard to remember through the thick haze of nearly a decade of vitriol and misinformation.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Mar 25, 2017 - 07:22am PT
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It seems like too many people think Obamacare is THE answer while ignoring the likelihood (certainty?)that it is going to collapse. It's not a sustainable system--neither, of course, is the whole house-of-cards gov't spending.
National debt: $19.85 TRILLION (that's trillion with a "t")
http://www.usdebtclock.org/#
Trump's a jackass and the Repubs seem pretty incompetent, but the Dem's final solution is horrible. Those deductibles for ACA (hah)are no joke, so with lower and middle-income families, except for the most horrific of catastrophes, it's like having no insurance at all.
Werner said that healthcare should be free for everyone. But someone has to pay, which means, of course, it's NOT free. How that is paid is the tough part. As much as we hate the idea of more taxes, I think some sort of national plan is the only way to go, but the very lucrative insurance companies aren't going to let this happen without a HUGE fight. All of these changes, however, have to be made in light of that raging debt clock. That should scare the crap out of everyone. There needs to be some grown up cutting of lots of our spending, which means many people would be very unhappy. It seems like once a gov't program is started, it NEVER dies, regardless of effectiveness, redundancy, whatever. That has to stop.
And Mr. Trump: The military doesn't need more money. Start by slashing the Pentagon budget. Those idiots waste cash at astonishing rates.
Bummed BAd
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Mar 25, 2017 - 07:38am PT
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Taxes are too low.
Raising them to cover the actual spending makes sense to me, but that makes republicans froth at the mouth and blow smoke out their ears.
Progressives want to take better care of people through better services, and want to take the logical step of raising taxes to pay for it. They can't get the votes they need, but keep trying to do the best they can in this direction with the votes they actually can get. The opposition has been brutal, and the half baked ACA is what we have to live with until enough elected officials will start voting for more agressive taxes on the rich and the corporations, and for universal single payer healthcare.
Half baked is still miles better than what Trumpcare was going to do to us.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Mar 25, 2017 - 07:39am PT
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How many other countries have as many military bases in other countries as we do? What does that cost and who/what do they protect?
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 25, 2017 - 08:07am PT
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Then YOU should be ashamed.
You helped create the world in which this type garbage can exist.
YOU the Locker are just as guilty as all the rest of you ......
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 25, 2017 - 08:28am PT
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YOU think you are perfect
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 25, 2017 - 08:30am PT
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Trump is blaming the Democrats for not saving his Repeal ObamaCare vote
"The Democrats wouldn't vote for it"
What kind of idiot would think that the Democrats would want to repeal ObamaCare!!!
No, he couldn't blame himself or his incompetent Party the GOP
He failed, the GOP failed, they are completely out of touch.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 25, 2017 - 08:34am PT
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Quack
The duck is just another Authoritarian Narcissist
Only he knows what's going on,
only he knows the truth
only he knows how to fix things
only he knows who is right and who is wrong
and only he won't tell us what he knows
typical authoritarian, Just Like Trump
a know nothing king of all
Yes, it's all of us that know nothing
only he has all the truth in every matter
He is the master of ALL
What a f-ing joke
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 25, 2017 - 08:44am PT
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Locker is a lot smarter than Craig F
Craig gets so easily 0wned ....
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 25, 2017 - 08:46am PT
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Ya.
I'm owned because I don't agree with the stupid Duck that knows NOTHING
but claims to know everything
What a joke
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 25, 2017 - 08:51am PT
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ObamaCare Death Spiral?
Yes the GOP sabotaged ObamaCare so it would start to fail
Marco Rubio passed a bill that would stop the Gov. subsidies for Insurance Companies that lost money the first couple years.
No Subsidies means higher rates for Cosmic and companies have to pull out of the exchanges to stop the money lose from initial higher costs until they sign up more young people.
The GOP could have fixed the ACA any day of the last 7 years for lower costs and better coverage, but instead they f*#ked over the American people for political purposes
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 25, 2017 - 09:02am PT
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Repealing ObamaCare was all about the rich not wanting to pay the extra taxes
They sent their minions to start a ObamaCare Hate group
that group bought off the GOP and the Right Wing Hate Media
and these people duped dumb ass right wingers to believe the lies
and demand the repeal against their own interest
It always comes down to the people who really run the Republicans (and the Country), the Koch Brothers Fascist industrial complex
They want more money and don't want to pay their fair share of the American society.
Just like the Pipeline, the Koch brothers will make $10 billion more a year after it goes on-line, so they get the GOP to make it happen no matter what the cost, and of course all the dupes go along and will fight tooth and nail for it!
pure fascism
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Mar 25, 2017 - 09:12am PT
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The republicans had two choices.
1) lose in Congress, or
2) lose at the ballot box(which might still happen).
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John M
climber
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Mar 25, 2017 - 09:25am PT
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you didn't just disagree with Werner.. you got owned. He said " QAUCK QUACK QUACK". Which he always does, and you went nuts. and the merry go round goes around again. He is pointing out how predictable you are. Just like how predictable these threads are. People say the same things over and over and and over and nothing changes. Not one single thing. There just aren't enough intelligent people to make a change.
Its not intelligent to insult a huge portion of this country. Thats what hillary did, and it helped her lose. Yet a whole bunch of people on this forum think that they are intelligent, and then just keep insulting and insulting and insulting. And nothing gets done because people are talking AT each other instead of talking TO each other.
The GOP could have fixed the ACA any day of the last 7 years for lower costs and better coverage, but instead they f*#ked over the American people for political purposes
This I mostly agree with. The republicans have done nothing to help.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 25, 2017 - 09:34am PT
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Only 17% of the American population supported Trumps AHCA bill.. But Trump tries to place the blame on the Dems who didn't vote for the bill..
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