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SC seagoat
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Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Mar 24, 2017 - 01:47pm PT
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Wow! Do you guys ever know how to
The "secret" plan all along??? Oh come on .... no secret can be kept with TwitterFingers.
Susan
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Mar 24, 2017 - 01:50pm PT
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Your party "come together" with Democrats?? Ha! Not a chance.
Trumpcare is dead. The GOP amateur hour continues.
Good thing. That bill was a disaster for working Americans.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Mar 24, 2017 - 01:55pm PT
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THocking--right on.
Unfortunately, speaking with my GP yesterday, he says there
will be more consolidation in the insurance market, so you know
rates will continue to climb. And most benefits will be reduced.
Ahh, capitalism at its best.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:01pm PT
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Hopefully the 2 parties will get together
and come up with a health care bill that every one likes.
How about the Repubs come together for a plan they all like first.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:03pm PT
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"Twitterfingers" - LOVE that one!
Meanwhile, since we're writing on the death of things....on the RussiaGate problem, conjecture within the IC is that Flynn has rolled.
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rincon
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Coarsegold
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:09pm PT
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GOOD!
HAHAHAHA!!!!
In other words, Trump and the other morons I voted for, are morons. But I won't admit that, so now I'm just happy with whatever.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:19pm PT
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Spiraling health care costs didn't begin with Obamacare. Without a mandate forcing young people into the market there's no feasible way to lower costs. The GOP has been whining for 8 years and, guess what, they didn't have a clue what to replace it with. Clueless.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:26pm PT
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There replacement was pretty pathetic.
They need to just repeal without replacement. Let the market sort it out. There would be a period of pain before improvement.
Healthcare is a basic human right. Meaning, anyone who wants it has the right to seek it by there own means, not by government mandate.
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
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Capitalism doesn't work for everyone when the field is not level. It works for those who have way more power to manipulate the system to their advantage.
Government doesn't work for the people when it is controlled by the billionaires.
Health care, a for profit industry, even for the CEO's at so-called non-profits, only care about the bottom line.
Many corporations will fire you, cut your hours, lay you off when you start costing them more then a new hire. Everyone is replaceable. Soon robots will replace you too.
Remember the days when the promise was that people were going to have way more leisure time as technology improved?
Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:30pm PT
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+1 crankster. 7 years of squealing and wild claims, and all they had was voucher care. Sad.
ACA fell well short of proper single payer, but it is still better than festering pile that just failed by a huge margin. The GOP could have worked with democrats to fix some of the rough edges of the ACA over the last 7 years, but they have spent every chance trying to outright repeal and weaken it. Re-insurance to keep providers in rural counties was killed by republican tactics, but the ACA gets the blame. Enrollment is only down by 2% this year after the golden one pulled the advertising dollars for it, hardly a death spiral.
Cosmic: As an older fellow with a slew of pre-existing conditions, you would have been quite a bit worse off under Trumpcare than the ACA. No doubt you really want a government handout to fix you, but having some "skin in the game" with co-pays and deductibles is exactly what your heroes wanted to expand. Don't expect anything remotely as humane as the ACA to come from the right any time soon. They will instead try to sink the ACA by a thousand little cuts, hurting folks like yourself the most. Go admit you are disabled enough not to be able to work and get on disability and take that route.
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:33pm PT
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Spiraling health care costs didn't begin with Obamacare. Without a mandate forcing young people into the market there's no feasible way to lower costs.
Exactly....yet Barry and the Dem's rammed this garbage down our throats anyway. They had complete control to get the job done right(single payer) the first time but Reid/Pelosi coudn't walk away from that tasty lobbyist money. Fuking crooks
Dem's no different than the Rep's.....except that this mess is their creation. Bravo
Congre$$ Crankloons
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:35pm PT
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There replacement was pretty pathetic.
They need to just repeal without replacement. Let the market sort it out. There would be a period of pain before improvement.
Healthcare is a basic human right. Meaning, anyone who wants it has the right to seek it by there own means, not by government mandate. Wowza that is some double think... We HAD a free market for healthcare, it was failing to be affordable and to even be available for those with any pre-existing issues. People died. People went bankrupt due to modest medical issues, often even with insurance (many plans turns out to be very inadequate). ACA improved both those situations a lot with subsidies and minimum required levels of care.
The statement that "Healthcare is a basic human right" should lead to single payer as a replacement to the ACA, not an outright repeal back to the even worse system we had pre-Obama.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:42pm PT
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This is what smart people using Twitter look like:
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John M
climber
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:43pm PT
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Err.. isn't this a political thread? Started by one who says he hates political threads?
Man.. life is just too bizarre lately.
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Jody.. you don't want government spending money on the needy. ( which would basically mean a Godless government by the way ). I want our military reduced by 50 percent and I expect our government to help the needy. How do we compromise?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:44pm PT
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None of this legislation, or any other proposals backed by the insurance or medical lobbies, addresses healthcare. Rather, it just tweaks to methods of payment through the entrenched middle men. A cooperative model with direct individual and employer payments to networks comprised of GP's, specialists, pharmaceuticals and hospitals would be a good working model. Cut out the middlemen and excessive regulations to just pay for healthcare.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:45pm PT
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Cosmic...You could have had your surgery with single payer.. why do you keep voting for the party that promises to take more of your entitlements away...?
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Mar 24, 2017 - 02:45pm PT
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Exactly....yet Barry and the Dem's rammed this garbage down our throats anyway. They had complete control to get the job done right(single payer) the first time but Reid/Pelosi coudn't walk away from that tasty lobbyist money. Fuking crooks
They didn't have the votes to go further. If you remember it came down to some centrist's that had to be sold on it. Getting to 60 votes in the senate was a huge effort, as it took getting Al Franken through his recount, dealing with Ted Kennedy's death (soon to be replaced by Scott Brown, a republican), and getting 2 republicans on board. Single payer needs to get lobbied for, but the ACA really was about the best that could be passed at the time and has been a very large net improvement from the trajectory we were on.
Republicans this time used maneuvers to only require a simple majority in the senate, and they failed badly to even pull that off with their even hastier bill cramming effort.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Mar 24, 2017 - 03:10pm PT
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I just received a Kiplinger Alert on the subject that is a fairly long summary, but two paragraphs stand out:
"Here's the problem: We're having a hard time making the transition from being an opposition party to being truly in the majority in Washington, D.C.," said Rep. Mike Coffman (R-Colo.). "It used to be an opposition party. There's a comfort in being against everything."
The failure underscores the biggest obstacle to any GOP health care reform effort: The party is simply too divided to pass legislation that pleases all its members. After this week, it's unclear if conservatives will settle for anything less than a full repeal of Obamacare. Moreover, any changes made to placate the conservatives will further alienate moderate Republicans and vice versa.
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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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Mar 24, 2017 - 03:27pm PT
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Exactly....yet Barry and the Dem's rammed this garbage down our throats anyway. They had complete control to get the job done right(single payer) the first time but Reid/Pelosi coudn't walk away from that tasty lobbyist money. Fuking crooks
I agree with your premise, but Reid and Pelosi were not the problem. ACA came down to a couple of final Senators to get the 60 votes needed for passage and Ben Nelson (NE) and Joe Lieberman (CT) insisted that the "public option" be removed to get their votes. They are the as#@&%es who gutted Obamacare.
Curt
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Mar 24, 2017 - 03:31pm PT
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The top Administrator of Medicare makes a few hundred thousand dollars.
That's still an outrageous amount of money, particularly when it's coming directly from taxpayers' pockets.
All the frothing at the mouth is frothing in entirely the wrong direction.
First, this is an anti-trust issue! If you claim that health-insurance is a "basic human right" (which I deny, but, we'll go with it), then the federal government has a DUTY to cap insurance-company profits, administrative salaries, total costs of doing business, etc. Do THAT alone, and even Obamacare could have "worked." But, no, Pelosi, et al wanted to "pass it to see what's in it," which is double-speak for: "Hand the taxpayers TO the insurance companies on a silver platter."
(I had thought that such corporate pandering was what Rebumblecons are known for, but, obviously, politics-for-money spans the aisles.)
Second, the primary problem is the cost of health CARE itself. Again, this is an anti-trust issue. NO company should be allowed to make a syringe for a penny, wholesale it for dollars, and have it show up on my bill costing over $100! But, such obscene costs are the norm. The government should spend the time/effort/money it would spend on single-payer to instead actually DO the anti-trust enforcement it DOES have a constitutional duty to accomplish.
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