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the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Mar 8, 2017 - 04:40pm PT
OTE, I occasionally look at a Lake Powell fishing forum which is heavily right wing and in my experience many on that forum strongly support state control of fed lands. There are strong supporters of the Bundy seiges. One member is from Mexican Hat and claimed to be a business owner who does not support the Bears Ears.

I feel it is important to keep fed lands as they are even if there are sometimes frustrations in the way they are managed. In the area of Comb Ridge on the southern end of the Bears Ears National Monument, last Fall the state of Utah sold about a four hundred acre parcel of land to a corporation whom I've read put up a locked gate on one of the popular access areas.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2017 - 07:12pm PT
the albatross! I'm hearing you bro, re your post:

I feel it is important to keep fed lands as they are even if there are sometimes frustrations in the way they are managed. In the area of Comb Ridge on the southern end of the Bears Ears National Monument, last Fall the state of Utah sold about a four hundred acre parcel of land to a corporation whom I've read put up a locked gate on one of the popular access areas.


I'm sorry your anglers group is not as enlightened about fighting for our public lands as the Backcountry Hunters & Anglers group is, but at least Utah's conservative representatives are having to listen to Backcountry Hunter's & Anglers. The Utah Rep who had introduced a bill to sell 3.3 million acres of "surplus" BLM lands said their pressure was the primary reason he withdrew the bill.

Heidi & I have made a week or 10 day trip to the general area of the Bear's Ear National Monument, nearly every spring for the last 16 years. The Utah state sale of scenic public lands on Comb Ridge is a slap in the face to all public lands users, and a stern warning of what might follow.

Once again, let me mention:

The fight is not a liberal vs conservative fight, or a Republican vs Democrat fight. It is a pro-access vs no-access fight.

Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2017 - 06:50pm PT

Some strong words opposing the transfer of OUR PUBLIC lands to state control.

Simply put, Idaho & other western states, cannot afford to manage these lands and this will inevitably lead to budgetary problems. Budgetary problems created a buyers market and thus emerges the risk that our public lands could be sold. The Wilderness Society reported that access to over 1.7 million acres or over 41% of all Idaho state land has been lost after they were sold to corporations and other private interests. Of course Idaho Department of Lands refutes this and they say its actually 33%, but either way – it is a lot of land!

Why is this such an important issue?
•The federal government is already succeeding at land management. ◦73% of Idahoans feel that one of the things that the federal government does well is managing our forests, parks, and public lands.

•Our state cannot afford to take control of this land. ◦Managing land is expensive. Our government would have to maintain thousands of miles of roads and foot the bill for multi-million dollar wildfires.
◦According to the Conservation Economics Institute, managing lands could cost taxpayers over $1 billion after 5 years, and more than $2 billion after 20 years.
◦Governor Butch Otter has opposed a land takeover for this reason. An Otter spokesman said that it would “blow a hole in the state’s budget.”
◦Attorney General Lawrence G. Wasden has said that previous attempts at land takeover violate the Idaho Constitution.

•The only way to balance the state budget would be selling huge areas of land to the highest bidder. ◦This is a bad outcome for the state and for Idahoans. We would lose access to rivers, forests, and mountains that we currently get to enjoy.
◦Greedy companies would harm Idaho’s land, ruining our clean air and water.
◦Selling off public lands could crush Idaho’s thriving outdoor recreation industry, which has become an essential part of our economy.


Idaho’s forests, rivers, and stunning mountain ranges are some of the most beautiful and untouched lands in the United States. They are one of Idaho’s greatest assets. Everyone should be able to experience Idaho’s backcountry, whether they are hunting, fishing, hiking, rafting, bird-watching, or simply enjoying the view. These recreational opportunities also have a profound impact on our economy, attracting over 77,000 jobs and $461 million in state and local tax revenue. Protecting our public lands is vital to our economy and the future of Idaho.
http://erpforidaho.com/public-lands-takeover-where-idaho-stands/?utm_source=sendinblue&utm_campaign=2017_Week_9&utm_medium=email
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 11, 2017 - 07:17pm PT
Over the last couple decades the federal land grab, especially under Obama,has been nothing short of greedy in the extreme.

Ward, I defy you to describe one acre of land that President Obama took from any source which the federal gov't did not already own.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Mar 11, 2017 - 08:04pm PT
That is not the same thing as a "land grab," Jody.

Steve Bannon's attempts notwithstanding, words have meaning.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Mar 11, 2017 - 08:05pm PT
can some please explain a savings account to our former state worker and troll maximus Jody?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 11, 2017 - 08:11pm PT
Jody, so you are saying that taking property FROM YOU is exactly as bad as restricting what you can do on shared property?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Mar 11, 2017 - 08:44pm PT
What exactly are you talking about? What access or use has been taken?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 12, 2017 - 05:30pm PT
Well, I don't have any property for them to take.

Really? You don't own a car??? You think having your car confiscated is EXACTLY as bad as restricting you to speed limits? Parking restrictions?
Chain requirements?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2017 - 05:42pm PT
I suspect Jody is referring to restrictions on OHV ATV access in the new National Monuments & that type of quibbling is fine, as long as he realizes who the enemy really is.

The enemy is corporate America & the 1% that has the money to buy state legislatures, Congress, & ultimately convert OUR PUBLIC lands to their estates, ranches, & mines.

And, The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So Jody! We're friends now!

As for the enemy, they aren't stupid, & articles like this one in The Wall Street Journal are just part of their tactics.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/utah-faces-down-the-rock-climbing-industrial-complex-1489187009

c wilmot

climber
Mar 12, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
Patagonia is corporate America...why doesn't yvon use a carrot rateher than a stick and bring some jobs back to the USA? It would be a win win. Jobs created, land preserved.

Somehow though I doubt Patagonia and other brands would be willing to stop producing oil based synthetic goods in third world countries

Many in Maine were against the monument as it removed a large chunk of land from being used in the manner it had for generations

Personally I am opposed to the new monuments because we are billions behind on maintenance in public lands already under federal control
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2017 - 09:18pm PT
C Wilmot, per your post. I am not a great supporter of National Monuments & National Parks, since they usually prohibit hunting & rock-hounding.

However, I prefer those minor restrictions to NO TRESPASSING signs on what used to be OUR public lands.

What do you want? Public or private lands?

If it is public land, minor public use restrictions & access questions, can be worked out, now or in the future.

If it is private, public use is at the discretion of the owner.

Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2017 - 05:24pm PT
Speaking of the tactics of those who are trying to steal OUR PUBLIC lands, I found this article today.

Busted: Right-wing “environmental research” group uses falsified data to justify state land grab

http://westernpriorities.org/2016/07/05/busted-right-wing-environmental-research-group-uses-falsified-data-to-justify-state-land-grab/

Last week, a well-known conservative think tank, Utah’s Sutherland Institute, released a report that claimed state parks are more efficiently managed and more popular than national parks across the West. The report, which was co-written with the right-wing Property and Environment Research Center (PERC), relied almost entirely on state park attendance data to draw its conclusions. The report got major coverage from the Deseret News, complete with a headline claiming “States manage public lands for recreation better than feds.”

There’s just one problem: Sutherland and PERC used erroneous numbers throughout their report.

The report cited statistics from the National Association of State Park Directors 2014 annual report (you can see the visitation data on page 19). When those numbers made it into the Sutherland report, however, they changed: PERC and Sutherland gave Oregon’s visitation data to New Mexico, Utah’s numbers to Oregon, and Washington’s to Utah. Washington received visitation data from Wisconsin—a state which wasn’t included in the Sutherland/PERC report.

The result of this four-state switcheroo gave Utah, which happens to be the focus of much of PERC’s research, a ten-fold increase in annual park attendance—35 million instead of 3.5 million

Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2017 - 05:35pm PT
From Outdoor Life Magazine http://www.outdoorlife.com/public-land-roundup-malheur-convictions-rep-bishop-wants-50m-for-land-grab-and-rallies-in-boise#page-3

Boise Shows Up Big For Public Lands

Sportsmen from across the Gem State were among the estimated 2,600 Idahoans who showed up on the steps of the state capitol building in Boise with one message: Keep public lands in public hands.

“What I saw on Saturday was, first and foremost, Idahoans with a passion for all things outdoors, said Michael Gibson, of Trout Unlimited. “There were anglers, hunters, hikers, mountain bikers, horse packers and yes motorized enthusiasts all coming together for a common cause.”

Several state legislatures around the West are considering legislation intended to clear a path for states to take over national forests and other public lands. Some of those legislatures have also seen rafter-rocking rallies of sportsmen and other outdoors enthusiasts dead set against public land transfer.

Estimating the size of a crowd is always a bit of a guessing game. Organizers of the Boise event say their conservative-end estimate was 2,500. If so, that’s the high mark for pro-public land rallies so far in 2017. An estimated 1,500 folks rallied in Helena, Mont., and several hundred showed up in Santa Fe, New Mexico, all to support public land and protest efforts to take them away from the American people.

Isn't it time to start a rally for OUR PUBLIC lands in your state? Please?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
From High Country News

Sportsmen pull public-lands politics to the center
As threats intensify, sportsmen emerge as a persuasive voice

http://www.hcn.org/issues/49.6/sportsmen-step-up-for-public-lands

This is the last-half of the article:

Under the Trump administration, sportsmen could wield significant influence — and not just because many of them vote Republican. It helps to have legislators and leaders who can identify with sportsmen’s connection with public lands, notes Kindle: rising before dawn and hiking miles in the dark, being “purely quiet” while watching for wildlife. Trump’s son Donald Jr. is a “Life Member” of Backcountry Hunters & Anglers, and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke also hunts. And Chaffetz is among the nearly 300 members of the House and Senate who make up the long-standing bipartisan Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus.


George W. Bush’s administration heeded sportsmen when they spoke out against threats to environmental protection: In 2004, hunters and anglers met with Bush and encouraged the administration to abandon Clean Water Act revisions that would have threatened wetlands and streams valuable to fish and wildlife.

Hook-and-bullet groups may also serve as a bridge between traditionally left-leaning environmental groups and the current administration when it comes to public lands. Threats to public lands are “creating one of the biggest unlikely alliances in the world,” says David Allen, president and CEO of the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. As Tawney points out, sportsmen tend to take a middle-ground approach, while the environmental community creates a more ambitious “goalpost” to work toward. This allows groups to make more centrist deals.

Now, sportsmen’s organizations intend to continue harnessing their members’ energy and passion on behalf of public lands. Their message to politicians is clear: “If you think you’re gonna come and tromp on the bedrock issue for all these people,” says Kindle, “you’re gonna have a hell of a fight on your hands.”
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 11, 2017 - 11:43am PT
I just received this email from Idahoans For PUBLIC Lands.


We did it.

After putting on the biggest public lands rally in the West, Idahoans prevented a single anti-public lands bill from being introduced in the State Capitol.

On a rainy day in March, more than 3,000 people rallied at the Idaho State Capitol to show our support for public lands.

For 80 days, Idaho lawmakers churned out more than 615 seperate pieces of legislation. And for the first time in four years, NOT ONE bill was indroduced advocating for the "disposal" of public lands.

Now that the State Legislature has adjourned for the year, its time to congratulate ourselves for sending a powerful message to Idaho politicians: Keep your hands off our public lands.

But our work is not over. There are still major threats from powerful politicians who are determined to give our public lands to special interests.

Together, we are going to stop them.

Truly an achievment, in this conservative state.


Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Apr 11, 2017 - 11:52am PT
Together, we are going to stop them.

Dig it!!

The radicals are creating groups of strange bedfellows in my parts and I am impressed with the humble nature it nurtures.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Apr 11, 2017 - 11:54am PT
Congrats to Fritz! (for now)
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Apr 11, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
I wish Californians had the same sense and drive to stand up for themselves that Idahoans do

Congratulations !
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Apr 11, 2017 - 12:14pm PT
you here stories of how the ranchers were swindled out of their land in Jackson Hole a 100 years ago. This current wave of legislation seems to have the same feel except now it the people's land getting swindled.
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