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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 27, 2017 - 09:54pm PT
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You are in the clear! Having brown spouse grants automatic license to spew racist non facts.
so that is not saying i am a liar...
we agree here, to disagree ... done
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Feb 27, 2017 - 09:58pm PT
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Are we inhabitants of the US required to ID ourselves to the police when we are not involved or suspected of any crime?
A citizen is NEVER required to carry identification UNLESS they are driving a car. ID may be required to access certain areas, such as airports, courts, and jails.
One of Eds lies:
3)Maybe Jody knows that 54% of Mexican Nationals in California are on some form of welfare.
A Mexican National is not eligible for welfare benefits. Welfare programs are administered by the county, and those programs are notorious for diligently checking status. Although it is unclear what you mean by "some form of welfare".
There may be dual citizens on welfare, but they would not be considered Mexican Nationals, they are properly referred to as Mexican-Americans.
I am calling it a lie until Ed produces his source.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 27, 2017 - 10:00pm PT
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Fake news.
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JC Marin
Trad climber
CA
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Feb 27, 2017 - 10:19pm PT
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Is that a high school called "The Bathrooms"???
It's a whole town--it's a fitting name for the place...
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Feb 27, 2017 - 10:36pm PT
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A Mexican National is not eligible for welfare benefits. Welfare programs are administered by the county, and those programs are notorious for diligently checking status. Although it is unclear what you mean by "some form of welfare".
Com'on, everyone knows have a baby, get free food and housing.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 27, 2017 - 10:37pm PT
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Ken M posted
Are we inhabitants of the US required to ID ourselves to the police when we are not involved or suspected of any crime?
A friend lives in Campo, drives to San Diego to work, is stopped by border patrol most days and ID'd most of those times. It kinda chaps his backside.
He was born in US and is White. Been that way for 10 years or more.
I've been stopped most times on that stretch of Interstate 8, sometimes searched and ID'd.
I look as white as my name sounds.
I've been stopped by ICE in Valley of the Moon, but just had a short conversation. You can see the trash along the coyote trails.
Two of my nephews are Mexican-American.
A friend's Brazilian wife spent 6 years getting her citizenship. Proudest day of her life.
Yeah, the illegal immigrants here are nearly all good hardworking people, but illegal is illegal.
Should we rescind all immigration law to appease our emotions?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 27, 2017 - 11:14pm PT
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where does this statistic come from?
54% of Mexican Nationals in California are on some form of welfare
and what fraction of the native population is on "some form of welfare"? like Social Security, and Unemployment Insurance? Housing tax credits? Child tax credits?
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 27, 2017 - 11:23pm PT
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Ed,
I never thought of SS as a form of welfare.
I've paid into it my whole life, which is what I call entitled.
Can't speak for the welfare statistic, but if you're bilingual, you have a much better chance of getting a position in any hospital emergency room in So Cal. Just sayin.
Edit: To clarify the last statement, my implication is illegals have traditionally used ER's for health care. Not sure how it pans out the past couple of years.
Cheers.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 27, 2017 - 11:28pm PT
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"some form of welfare"
might be open to interpretation... but
http://www.ssa.gov/history/35act.html
The Social Security Act (Act of August 14, 1935) [H. R. 7260]
An act to provide for the general welfare by establishing a system of Federal old-age benefits, and by enabling the several States to make more adequate provision for aged persons, blind persons, dependent and crippled children, maternal and child welfare, public health, and the administration of their unemployment compensation laws; to establish a Social Security Board; to raise revenue; and for other purposes.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Feb 27, 2017 - 11:40pm PT
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I interpret SS as raising money first. Then distributing. Illegal immigration has no roots. For that matter neither does immigration. So who should pay for the equalization?
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Degaine
climber
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Feb 28, 2017 - 12:16am PT
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Ed Bannister wrote:
2) Maybe Jody knows and accepts the statistical reality that a person who has broken a federal law, is more likely to break another law, than someone who has not, we call them repeat offenders for a reason. If someone has immigrated illegally, they have broken the law! They are a criminal just as much as someone who committed another federal crime, tax evasion or whatever.. and illegal immigrants are more likely to commit other crimes here in the US.
Actually, companies like Conagra, Tyson, Perdue, etc., are the real culprits - they actively and knowingly hire illegal immigrants, often heading south of the border to recruit. Crack down on companies like these and you'll see illegal immigration first come to a screeching halt, followed by these companies pushing hard for a sensible work permit / immigration program that will provide them with continued access to an inexpensive source of hardworking labor.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 28, 2017 - 07:09am PT
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This article mostly deals with legal immigration.
How about an honest discussion on both legal and illegal immigration.
...They also don’t point out that low-skill immigration has a side effect that reduces that $50 billion increase in wealth. The National Academy of Sciences recently estimated the impact of immigration on government budgets. On a year-to-year basis, immigrant families, mostly because of their relatively low incomes and higher frequency of participating in government programs like subsidized health care, are a fiscal burden. A comparison of taxes paid and government spending on these families showed that immigrants created an annual fiscal shortfall of $43 billion to $299 billion...
...But those accusations of racism reflect their effort to avoid a serious discussion of the trade-offs. The coming debate would be far more honest and politically transparent if we demanded a simple answer from those who disagree with “America First” proposals: Who are you rooting for?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/opinion/the-immigration-debate-we-need.html
Edit: How the heck did Los Banos really get it's name?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Feb 28, 2017 - 07:15am PT
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Com'on, everyone knows have a baby, get free food and housing.
The CITIZEN baby will get something to eat, is that so horrible. Most all housing grants are through the Federal Section 8 program. It is administered locally and is strict as hell. They have agents that go out and monitor who goes in and out of the house, who is sleeping there, it is very strict. I do not have statistics, but I would guess that the majority of Section 8 recipients are white. The waiting list is years long, 8-10 years in San Diego, and after you apply you have to prove you continuously lived in San Diego while you waited 8-10 years. yes you have to be a citizen, or lawful permanent resident to get Section 8 benefits
I think we can call the housing claim another lie.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Feb 28, 2017 - 07:25am PT
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Ain't sayin' it's right or wrong, but here in the Yakima valley there would be no fruit industry without illegals. One of my cellar hands is illegal. I know it, he knows it, and the owner knows it, but he's been working in the same place for 12 years; he's a great worker and I fear for what will happen to him. I'm friends with an apple orchard owner and have heard how it works: a person is hired, gives a SS number, that's submitted and, eventually, it turns up false. So the worker submits another, etc. etc. The owner tries to do it legally and that's what happens; it's turned into a game.
As to ripping off the system, remember that SS and Medicare taxes are taken out of wages and head to the US Treasury, never to be paid to the earner. I've heard the number $19 billion/year as a good guess for SS paid by illegals. The illegals I know also pay (anonymously) income tax.
There should be some reasonable system for illegals to earn legal status.
Edited to add: Thinking about it, I would much prefer to have the cellar hand in the US rather than the spoiled stupid lazy 20 year old son of the owner.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 28, 2017 - 07:36am PT
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According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 28, 2017 - 08:19am PT
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4) Illegal aliens in San Diego County are responsible for more than half of all alcohol related fatal traffic accidents. You can't get the actual stat, because they are "protecting the hispanic community" instead of protecting the people they kill, but the California CHP does acknowledge that it is more than half of all alcohol related deaths.
Interesting how some people can get stuff and others can't, eh? Get that from Jody?. He's retar... isn't he?
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 28, 2017 - 08:21am PT
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Jody was CHP for years zBrown so he would be able to get data like that .....
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gunsmoke
Mountain climber
Clackamas, Oregon
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Feb 28, 2017 - 08:38am PT
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"4) Illegal aliens in San Diego County are responsible for more than half of all alcohol related fatal traffic accidents"... Bullsh!t...
Maybe or maybe not. San Diego has a large population of illegal aliens. Hispanics are statically shown to be much more likely to drive drunk: http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_23_1/tsc_23_1_gemma_2.shtml
I laughed at let's ask for help from New Zealand. Let people gain legal access. My brother has close friends in NZ and would have stayed there permanently except for one thing: the country ordered him to leave when his approved visit was over.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 28, 2017 - 08:40am PT
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Where do we file the public information request? Let's find out who "they" are.
Illegal immigration up, traffic deaths trending down. (2013 data courtesy of SD Coroner's office).
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