crumbling Freedom of the Press too divisive to discuss?

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NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2017 - 01:24pm PT

Some things I (and many if not most of us) learned by kindergarten would be good lessons for us all. One example:

two wrongs don't make a right

Edit: Perhaps the thing that bothers me the most is how many people can remain complacent in the face of stuff like this. It makes me feel that I am a sane person in a sea of insanity, and thus I become the only insane one. (c_wilmot, this answers your question below I think).

c wilmot

climber

Feb 24, 2017 - 01:25pm PT

What suddenly upset you?
Are you worried your beliefs might be challenged?

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Feb 24, 2017 - 01:28pm PT

Despite President Donald Trump’s relentless attacks on the “fake news” media, a new poll from Quinnipiac University finds that more Americans trust the media than Donald Trump.

A majority of Americans, 52%, said they trust the news media over Donald Trump to tell the truth about important issues. Only 37% said they trusted Trump more.

"The media, so demonized by the Trump Administration, is actually a good deal more popular than President Trump," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

Unsurprisingly, responses divided sharply on party lines. Democrats and Independents trust the media more than Trump. Eighty-six percent of Democrats trust the news media more than the president. Among Independents, 50% trust the media more, while 38% trust Trump.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Feb 24, 2017 - 01:42pm PT

While I do understand not wanting thread after thread on the "Trump Issue," I also get why people discuss it here. I have no real desire to go searching for "political discussion forums" to post to. I know or have met a good number of the people here, and to be honest I look to those on both side FOR input into the various subjects as they come up. I don't like it when people insist on the low-level attacks, but not everyone has the ability to debate intelligently.

Nonetheless, I have gone over to Twitter for information now, and have found several good resources. But I can't really communicate in 140 characters and less, and the nested responses that some are very good at seem a big PITA to me. I mostly just Favorite comments in like and crack one-liners to @RealDonaldTrump tweets.

John Schindler has been a very interesting Follow, not only for his own insight but the high quality RTs in his feed. He's at https://twitter.com/20committee

He also posted a link to this Daily Beast Article the other day, which does a good jib at painting a very frightening picture of Felix Satter. According to Schindler, is likely to be the pin that gets pulled on the grenade that blows up the Donald. My reading on it is that Trump has been, perhaps unwittingly, relying on a man who was(is) an unwilling tool of CIA/FBI. Oops.....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/24/meet-felix-sater-the-russian-bad-hombre-who-works-with-trump.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

ecdh

climber

the east

Feb 24, 2017 - 01:43pm PT

Im with ya, and think you are correct to be concerned.

That said i dont think the media has changed much, its the social media connection that just makes everyone part of the bullshit now. No ones an idle media consumer now.

To my mind tho the most nebulous and dubious element isnt the hidden stuff, its the trivialization of whats shown. As much as i enjoy locker and wallings jibes, its the problem not the solution.

The corruption of whats right before our eyes is the hardest to see. Thats the trick of totalitarianism - make everyone fret over what may be hidden but slip the nasty sh#t thru in plain sight.

The remedy? Call on it when you see it. Think Pussy Riot.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Feb 24, 2017 - 01:44pm PT

The level and scale of this deliberate assault on the fourth estate - combined with the incessant daily lies and distortions should be grounds for impeachment.

Curt

climber

Gold Canyon, AZ

Feb 24, 2017 - 01:51pm PT

Trump is right to hate the media. The establishment hates Trump and are disparaging him at every opportunity...

If you honestly believe that parity exists between the accuracy of reporting from NYT, CNN, as opposed to Breitbart & Infowars, Trump and Bannon's work is complete.

Curt

jonnyrig

climber

Feb 24, 2017 - 01:53pm PT

The people who most need to be exposed to the truth are the ones who are least likely to believe it, even when confronted with irrefutable evidence.

They say that silence amounts to tacit approval. That may or may not be true; but at this point I'm just kicking back waiting for the world to burn. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

Either way, my personal belief is that people on both ends of the political spectrum are too busy trying to find blurbs that reinforce their own confirmational biases to even care what the truth is or what the rest of the world has to say about.

Suppression of the media? Probably not a good thing. Stinks of a cover--up.

Silence = tacit approval? Not really, more like f*#k it, let it burn. Then rise from the ashes.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Feb 24, 2017 - 02:00pm PT

CNN, NY Times, LA Times, Politico, barred.

AP and Time bowed out in protest.

Batrock

Trad climber

Burbank

Feb 24, 2017 - 02:01pm PT

What time are we leaving Monday for the Saline? Since you haven't returned my Meassage I figure I'd try you here ;)

thebravecowboy

climber

The Good Places

Feb 24, 2017 - 02:07pm PT

pravda is still in for sure

Flip Flop

climber

Earth Planet, Universe

Feb 24, 2017 - 02:11pm PT

We live in a time and place where we expect the media and marketing to lie to us. So much of news is just political propaganda and marketing. Why can't the president call it like he see's it?

NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2017 - 02:26pm PT

Sorry Batrock, found my phone and replied ;)

Flip-flop, I didn't cry crumbling democracy for Trump's Twitter comments. It is up to individuals to judge him based on his own words. He can say what he wants, though he is the main ambassador of our nation to the world, and I would be less embarrassed if he exercised more maturity. But when he uses the power and authority of his office to curtail the power of the press (friend or foe) to shine a light on his activities while in office, I draw the line there.

I'm not trying to turn Trump supporters into non-supporters because I don't think that is possible. Just please hold him accountable to the same standards that you would hold any other candidate or office-holder.

This is about institutions that should be bigger and more sacred than any individual occupying a position.

drF

Trad climber

usa

Feb 24, 2017 - 02:28pm PT

CNN, NY Times, LA Times, Politico, barred.

AP and Time bowed out in protest.

This has already been discussed. Try to keep up? Or...just keep posting the same nonsense over and over.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Feb 24, 2017 - 02:33pm PT

I'll post what I like, RUSS, but thanks. You certainly brought zero to the table.

Edit: Yes, the tweeter in chief can call it as he likes. But banning major news outlets and only allowing the flattering ones is called State Run Media. I thought y'all were against State Run Enterprises?

Wayno

Big Wall climber

Seattle, WA

Feb 24, 2017 - 02:46pm PT

Nut, you mentioned Pravda, which means truth. They also have Izvestia, which means news. They also have an expression that says the News is not Truth, and the Truth is not News. Been that way for a while.