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Degaine
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Jan 22, 2017 - 12:46pm PT
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c wilmot wrote:
It's misdirected because they are protesting a silly comment instead of our policy's of supporting groups of people who treat women like dirt.
Thanks for the reply.
Do you really think all of these people took to the streets because Donald Trump said "grab them by the pussy"?
Have you followed what the Senate and House want to do to Planned Parenthood? The laws at the state level regarding abortion? Several states have taken Trump's election as a cue to curtail or even eliminate a women's right to choose (or not) an abortion. His election is the catalyst, or the straw that broke the camel's back, etc.
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c wilmot
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Jan 22, 2017 - 12:50pm PT
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The "pussyhats" would indicate a protest against his comment. I also saw few people protesting the house m, senate or various states.
I did see people protest trump who has no background in the house, senate or state gov
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Degaine
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Jan 22, 2017 - 12:54pm PT
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c wilmot wrote:
And yes I agree our policy's go back some time. However trump had no part of it. Hillary on the other hand?
Who wrote anything about Trump having a part in it? The problem is that you're purposely picking a start date on the timeline to criticize what you consider the "other team" (like most who have been successfully indoctrinated by private power, so not your fault per se), and fail to recognize the disastrous US policy since the end of WWII - disastrous both for the Middle East and subsequently for us.
c wilmot wrote:
Edit- the solution is to not have invaded a sovereign nation while supporting the terrorist groups behind the chaos.
Yes, I agree, we should not have invaded Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003. But we also should never have supported the brutal Saudi regime, which probably would have fallen long ago without our help.
c wilmot wrote:
It's been a predictable disastor.
It's too bad so many are worried about Syrian refugees rather than our policy's that displaced them.
Yes the outcome of invading Iraq was a predictable disaster, one that Karl Baba, DMT, myself and many others predicted.
If you're so worried about women's rights, why aren't you protesting US support of brutal regimes like Saudi Arabia?
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c wilmot
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Jan 22, 2017 - 12:56pm PT
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The conflict in Syria has little to do with Iraq or Afghanistan, as Obama openly said Assad "must go". And supporting "rebel" groups that are often affiliated with al qaeda would be a bizarre result of our previous engagements there.. But thats to completely digress.
Edit- I do. Saudia araba wants Assad out of power.
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Degaine
climber
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Jan 22, 2017 - 01:02pm PT
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Syria has everything to do with Iraq, and it also is linked to failed US policy with regard Russia since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War.
Just ask the Kurds and Pussy Riot.
Edit to add: Al Qaeda was our ally, or at least its original form was a useful tool for us, before they weren't. In any case, the US and the west created Al Qaeda.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jan 22, 2017 - 01:04pm PT
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Why can't leftist slobs ever pick up after themselves?
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Degaine
climber
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Jan 22, 2017 - 01:09pm PT
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sycorax wrote:
I marched in San Jose yesterday because we can have a black president, but can't bear to have a female one. Other countries have women at the helm, but ours continues to be ruled by fat white men.
Yeah, Pakistan, which most Americans consider to be a backwards country, beat us to the punch a long time ago.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 22, 2017 - 01:41pm PT
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Tgt is just jealous. Few like his chosen bigot.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Jan 22, 2017 - 01:50pm PT
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I read a fascinating study that claimed 100% of people marching for the right to choose were not aborted by their parents.
Ironic
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2017 - 02:19pm PT
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For the people who are disparaging the participants, well let's just say it's telling.
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Degaine
climber
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Jan 22, 2017 - 02:19pm PT
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To the poster impersonating Philo, your question already received an answer upthread.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jan 22, 2017 - 02:23pm PT
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Where did women's rights go that they have to be protesting? There has been a liberal in the WH for 8 years. Did HE bring down women's rights? Are you protesting Trump's treatment of women? If so, why weren't you hypocrites protesting Slick Willie? What a bunch of 'tards all of you are.
go get my slippers and don't burn the steak!
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 22, 2017 - 02:37pm PT
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for all Slick Willie's shortcomings, I don't recall him threatening to defund Planned Parenthood or outlaw abortion.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Jan 22, 2017 - 02:45pm PT
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A century ago, and more, women were marching, and sometimes dying, for the rights to vote and hold office, and for other basic rights - clean water, clean air, decent housing, good schools, education, control of their fertility, basic healthcare, to work, and to be members of professions. Some of them were called suffragettes. Most were in western Europe and North America, but not all. And the fight for women's rights cut across party lines as they then were.
Anyone thinking that the millions who marched yesterday in hundreds of cities around the world were all radical feminists (whatever that is), or all liberals, ought to think again. They were all marching to show their support for women's rights, indeed all human rights. Many also to show their opposition to President* Trump and his administration, although for those marching outside the USA, that's somewhat symbolic. Probably many were pro-choice, but that can hardly be described as pro-abortion. Some may have been marching in support of less mainstream causes, as is often the case - democracy isn't always tidy.
We can only hope that the marchers turn their energy over the next two and four years toward actually causing change. Certainly President* Trump's administration seems likely to implode, but they still need to regain control of state governments, congress, the senate, and ultimately the presidency (Trump or Pence) in the next four years. That's going to take a lot of work.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Jan 22, 2017 - 03:00pm PT
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I like peaceful protests, whether I agree with them or not. It's cool to see people legally promoting what they believe in without hurting anyone.
But, when the organizers took "New Wave Feminists" off of their sponsor list I pretty much lost interest. It's a group that supports all the same ideas except they are pro life and that got them booted.
Glad to hear it was a positive atmosphere from those who participated and there were some really funny signs.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jan 22, 2017 - 03:07pm PT
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Rallying and making funny signs is easy; winning real power in American politics is not. If they'd all worked and voted for Hillary, Trump wouldn't be sitting in the White House.
But the future...now's not the time for self-congratulatory complacency.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 22, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
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I marched in San Jose yesterday because we can have a black president, but can't bear to have a female one. Other countries have women at the helm, but ours continues to be ruled by fat white men.
Yeah, Pakistan, which most Americans consider to be a backwards country, beat us to the punch a long time ago.
Yeah, Pakistan got a woman in who was the daughter of the former prime minister.
Putting the children/spouses of former leaders "at the helm" is a great idea and sign of progressive governance. Backward countries never do things like that.
It worked great with the Bushes so it would have worked just as well with the Clintons, if not better.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 22, 2017 - 03:33pm PT
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Wade Icey posted a photo of an open pit coal (not Cu) mine in Mongolia ^^^
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 22, 2017 - 03:34pm PT
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But, when the organizers took "New Wave Feminists" off of their sponsor list I pretty much lost interest. It's a group that supports all the same ideas except they are pro life and that got them booted.
Does your church welcome Planned Parenthood to its events?
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