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Dingus Milktoast
Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 3, 2017 - 02:44pm PT
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Hydrological Hammer of the Gods
Most likely the only time I will ever report a weather forecast is to bring you this snapshot of Monday’s seven-day Quantitative Precipitation numbers. Note the two biggest digits on the map, centered on California’s Sierra Nevada range: 18 inches and 18.9 inches. That means it’s expected to precipitate 18-plus inches of water around the Sierra crest—accounting for typical 10:1 snow-to-water ratios, that suggests about 15 feet of snow above elevation 8,500 or so. The local weather guru in Mammoth is predicting 12-16 feet on the upper mountain.
The forecast is calling for windy and coldish storming this week totaling out to about 10 inches of precip at high elevations, and then that looming wetter second phase over the weekend with snow levels rising at times to as high as 9,000 feet, or exactly high enough to properly infuriate Tahoe skiers.
The recent temblor activity in the Walker Lane and Sacramento Valley of NorCal has me thinking.... god, she may drop the big one on us!
;)
Batten down boys, Ma Nature has something to say.
DMT
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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!!! Damnit time to figure out free weekends in the next few months. Maybe this will be the year of blissful eastside spring skiing?
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slabbo
Trad climber
colo south
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DMT "- there is no God..relax. We had 30" here in SoCo and are fine
Drink Up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I saw that report after I'd checked the NOAA forecast here about half an hour ago. For the first time in my memory, the forecast included a "hydrologic report" in the form of an alert or warning. I checked back a few minutes ago, to see the doppler radar, and noticed that the "hydrologic report" was deleted.
It still predicts a ton of moisture over the Sierra during the next week. Since I have no climbing plans for that time, I'm looking forward to it. I note, however, that the snow level is rather high, at least for the southern Sierra, so I hope it doesn't result in flash floods like 20 years ago. We still don't have our Yosemite Valley campsites back that they closed then, and I'm not sure what Aramark or the current or future NPS would do if given another flood as an excuse to get rid of more of those pesky car campers.
John
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Let it rain and snow! Yay!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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It still predicts a ton of moisture over the Sierra during the next week.
2,000 lbs / 8 lbs/gal = 250 gals
Not nearly enough to do any good, John.
That's dismal, in fact.
Which way do they say the wind is blowing? :0)
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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The reason Oroville and Folsom are kept low.....
Oroville at 56%
Folsom at 41%
Shasta is quite a bit higher at 73%
They are all about double of what they had stored a year ago at this date..
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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We have full winter conditions in Calgary
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Here's some thunder...
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Tuolumne Mdws forecast
TonightSnow. The snow could be heavy at times. Temperature rising to around 33 by 4am. Breezy, with a south southwest wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to 20 to 25 mph after midnight. Winds could gust as high as 40 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total nighttime snow accumulation of 9 to 13 inches possible.
WednesdaySnow. The snow could be heavy at times. Temperature rising to near 34 by 9am, then falling to around 23 during the remainder of the day. Breezy, with a southwest wind 15 to 20 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 8 to 12 inches possible.
Wednesday NightSnow. Temperature rising to around 36 by 2am. Breezy, with a southwest wind 15 to 25 mph, with gusts as high as 40 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.
ThursdaySnow. High near 35. Windy, with a west southwest wind 25 to 30 mph, with gusts as high as 40 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible.
Thursday NightSnow showers likely, mainly before 10pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 8. Windy, with a west wind 25 to 30 mph decreasing to 15 to 20 mph in the evening. Winds could gust as high as 45 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.
FridayMostly sunny, with a high near 33. Southwest wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph.
Friday NightA 40 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 18. West southwest wind around 10 mph, with gusts as high as 15 mph.
SaturdaySnow. High near 34. Southwest wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Saturday NightSnow. Low around 26. South southwest wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
SundayRain and snow. High near 37. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Sunday NightRain and snow. Low around 21. Breezy, with a south southwest wind around 20 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
MondaySnow. High near 39. Breezy, with a southwest wind 15 to 20 mph decreasing to 10 to 15 mph in the morning. Winds could gust as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Monday NightSnow showers. Low around 13. Breezy, with a west southwest wind 15 to 20 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%.
Reminds me of the Storm of '82 that caught us just under Shepherd Pass. That was an epic bivvy and retreat.
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WBraun
climber
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Meh .... nothings happening yet.
Pussy storm so far.
97 was the one .......
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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I'm returning to NV from AK thursday night. Is my place at 5500' and one range east of The Sierra going to be hammered, or is this an over hype like supposed atmospheric rivers of recent years past?
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WBraun
climber
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The weatherperson looked at you straight in the eye from your TV screen.
It did? I wish I have a TV to see that ......
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Behold and believe.
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Gettin HAMMERED in Sutter Co. River is rising....lookout Olivehurst!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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So, will I need to shovel the offending white stuff to get in or not DMT?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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More complaints from Californians about water. Would you guys give it a rest already?
FWIW, Vancouver has had cool - but not particularly cold - weather for the last four weeks, with snow every week or so. The jet stream having decided to funnel cold air through western North America. Currently clear and about -5 here, supposed to warm up a bit for the weekend with some snow, then cool again, with a further outbreak of cold air. Which suggests that a disastrous dingusapple express event isn't likely anywhere soon on the western cordillera.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Hammer of god? More like he stumbled to the bathroom to take a piss. Just a little bit of rain here so far. Seems like they sensationalize the weather these days the way they do cat farts on a slow news night.
Say, is there anything climbable between here and vegas when it's wet? I have to drive for CES. Maybe I'll just go skinny dip in a hot spring and watch this whole hammer of god thing roll in for a little while on my way. But it all begs the question- good beer or liquor fir the spring?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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If it gets cold enough after its been wet enough, Johnny, you can fill the thermos with hot buttered rum and climb ice chutes on the horrible cross of Mt. Grant above Walker Lake. Not often though.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Ice climbing? No, not me. Promised the missus.
"They" being the news, generally.
http://alerttahoe.seismo.unr.edu/firecams.html
Including Virginia peak, out by my property.
Though if it does dry out a bit Brenda will let me out for some cragging rick.
Say, why don't they mix CES with Comic Con? It'd be total nerdvana!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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I'm hoping the Sierra wrings the approaching hammer of God cloud mass dry to the point they only give a meager dusting to ranges east. A foot or less, followed by a period of sunshine and we're good to go Jonny.
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jonnyrig
climber
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I agree. So far it's really been no more than a dusting out here that melts off in a day or two. We had some snow this morn, now just mud. Still snow up high, but locales east and low maybe more dry still. I wouldn't try any Playa driving on a bet though.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Raining hard here in Newcastle, 11:30 pm, Tues. 3 Jan. Denting that drought baby!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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In the motherly Mother Lode
Along a snowy stretch of road
The Chainer's Champ from Chinese Camp
My younger brother the little scamp
Tells you jerks who can't chain yer own
Get it right or just STAY THE F HOME!!!!!
You morons of the first degree
You could DYI and all for free
But that's OK just come see me
BUT GET YOUR CHAINS RIGHT BEFORE THEN, jackass!!!!!
http://www.kcra.com/article/low-snow-impacts-foothills-in-central-sierra/8555899
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ruppell
climber
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It's dumping rain in Bishop right now. And I'm heading to Mammoth for work in a few. This is gonna be fun. lol
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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Bring it
Tahoe slowly filling up
Here comes the water !
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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can't get enough of
the white stuff
the wet stuff
the gray stuff
a few slushy inches
they gotta use winches
inclement weather
in the spin zone
you say tornado
but it's a cyclone
--Slush E
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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The key is when the cold air arrives to lower the snow levels on Sunday.
NOAA:
Snow levels begin to rise Saturday afternoon/evening as deeper
moisture and warm air arrive. Snow levels are expected to climb to
7000-8000 feet Saturday night when the heaviest precipitation
arrives and peak Sunday-Sunday night when snow levels could reach
9000-9500 feet. There is an increasing flood threat for creeks,
streams and urban areas as latest model simulations continue to show
8+ inches of QPF along the Sierra crest, 5-8 inches in the Tahoe
Basin, and 2-5 inches along the eastern Sierra Saturday night
through early Monday. As far as mainstem rivers, timing of the
arrival of colder air on Monday will dictate the potential as models
vary from late Sunday night to Monday afternoon. In addition, we
will have to wait and see what kind of snow totals we get with the
ongoing storm as fresh snow will have capacity to absorb some of the
rainfall this weekend. All interests along small creeks and mainstem
rivers should monitor the forecast very closely as we get closer
to the weekend.
Snow totals above 8000 feet may be quite large (3-6 feet) depending
on how high the snow level eventually rise. Snow to liquid ratio
will be rather low for this event, roughly 6-8:1, certainly some
avalanche concerns and difficulties for those that have to
remove/shovel in the high elevation communities around Mt Rose and
Mammoth Lakes.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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This is just amazing - it's like living in Manhattan.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Released into general population, Idaho
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Well I'll be dipped in shzt and rolled in peanuts.
Breakfast
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Boomer
Trad climber
Reno
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Rick; So far, raining like a tall cow in the Virginia Range.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Gustav Holst - Hammersmith op. 52
The composer of The Planets knew his gods.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLrTOsJqB80
"Divine Anatomy"
this storm is the hammer of the gods
this storm will bludgeon California
this storm will have smitten Nevada and some parts of Arizona before it goes on to lambaste Utah
this storm, while not beating the Band, who have long disbanded and begun dying off,
will devastate the field at the battle of the bands coming up in Aurora Crater this Sunday
(but it may have been last Sunday - I'd better check my calendar)
also, this storm, while not having the "oomph" to challenge the Rolling Stones,
let alone actually appear on the same stage with them
(can you IMAGINE the RUSH? the paralyzing STAGE FRIGHT of such an EXPERIENCE?),
seems good enough for the likes of Kansas, where it is sure to kick ass
this storm, given the fact that we have been in a drought for a long time, may seem like the coming of spring in the high country to some, but i would not trust it
weathermen all lie like dogs (no offense, Fido)
few can tell a rainmaker from a shaman (it's the umbrella, fool!)
as a rule, they don't like rainbows, mistreat unicorns, and have no appreciation of climbing in the British Isles
and any god in his right mind would use no hammer, and not just because he or she has no need,
except for that Thor guy, who only carries old Mjolnir cuz he likes to bust sh#t up,
but because it's the right thing weather one is in one's right mind or not
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mouse-Man ye're outdoin yerself tuhday!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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It's dumping at Copper Mt. My bro has shoveled twice already.
Blue hard wax at 9000', baby!
The Ferrari next door is almost completely buried!
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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The weekend forecast SUCKS for skiers, especially the 9500 freezing level Sunday. It is better than drought however.
Global warming in effect.
from http://opensnow.com/dailysnow/tahoe :
Saturday we initially start as all snow as a strong storm moves in. Snow levels quickly rise to 7000 feet during the morning and then 8000 feet during the afternoon. Heavy rain and snow continue through Monday. Snow levels rise to 9000 feet Saturday night. They may peak around 9500 feet Sunday morning. Sunday night snow levels fall to 8000 feet, and then to lake level Monday morning.
and from http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Yosemite-s-Merced-River-threatens-to-spill-its-10835812.php
The river that flows through fabled Yosemite Valley is expected to overflow its banks during this weekend’s storms, rising even higher than it did during the devastating flood of 1997.
Forecasters with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration predicted that the Merced River would surge to a level of 23.7 feet, about a half a foot higher than it did 20 years ago when the river flooded a valley hotel and other facilities, causing an estimated $176 million damage.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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The river that flows through fabled Yosemite Valley is expected to overflow its banks during this weekend’s storms, rising even higher than it did during the devastating flood of 1997.
Forecasters with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration predicted that the Merced River would surge to a level of 23.7 feet, about a half a foot higher than it did 20 years ago when the river flooded a valley hotel and other facilities, causing an estimated $176 million damage.
Werner, do you and Merry have your kayak ready?
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Woot!
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Werner not need a stinkin' kayak - he walk on water.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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16" overnight just west of Boulder at 8100'. I've shoveled the front and back decks three times, mostly for the dogs benefit, but the driveway is full depth. It's still coming down (ay-ah, never seen it go up...), but the 75' long drive is half shoveled.
Zero degrees today, high forties expected this weekend. Boulder is probably a sh#t show, but I'm staying at home and working in the shop.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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My bro in Frisco had to get some help with his driveway...
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Just a typical sunny winter day here in Seattle. Makes me glad I don't live in California where I hear it rains all the time.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Yeah, Ghost, but it ain't 22F here! It's a warm rain!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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It rained steadily, in Moorpark, for more than 24 hours.... it is needed...
bring more.
And Yes, Oh Yes... "death and destruction is on the way... be afraid very afraid" ..... local weather Dude.
I remember when a storm like this was almost not talked about on the local TV... maybe a 100% chance, bring an umbrella.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Kernville Annex)
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Always fear the combo of fire scars and a solid rain.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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It makes one think, though, about the whole impact of spending huge sums of money to restore damage to a previous condition, knowing that something else will be coming, sooner or later, to take it all out again.
perhaps there should be more thought to mitigation of the conditions that set up the damage potential.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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"perhaps there should be more thought to mitigation of the conditions that set up the damage potential"
So how would you go about this for Yosemite valley?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I don't know. It seems very complex to me, and would need to have a number of experts involved.
Maybe it means restoring the valley to a more pristine state, with camping move out altogether. Not advocating that, just playing with ideas. The roads may be in the wrong places (lowland), and should be built higher?
But otherwise, we are on a treadmill of $200 million in expenditures every decade or three, with nothing to really show for the money.
You wonder, for example, if they built in processes to shut down the sewage plant, to protect all the pumps and infrastructure, so it would be protected?
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Matt Sarad
climber
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Kern River peaked at 10,000 cfs today. Settled down to 8,000 cfs. My friend there texted " Brown and big".
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Might be some new river peaks coming soon.
The forecast says 9-13 inches of rain coming to Yosemite Valley in the 50 hours from Saturday to Monday......
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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Here's a nice site for tracking daily (7AM - 7AM) precipitation in the US. Volunteer observers. If you call up today's map for Inyo County, CA, my house is the one recording 0.59".
http://www.cocorahs.org/
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yeahman
Mountain climber
Montana
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"the trouble with this water is that it can't be stored as it is not falling as snow."
Actually, it COULD be stored if CA had built any reservoirs in the past 35+ years. WTF?
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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I'd be curious to see how those new 140/120 retaining walls hold up- the ones just East of the 120/140 split. And other work done to shore things up since 1997.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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"the trouble with this water is that it can't be stored as it is not falling as snow."
Actually, it COULD be stored if CA had built any reservoirs in the past 35+ years. WTF?
WTF>???
This is WTF.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam
The department was under the direction of its General Manager and Chief Engineer, William Mulholland.
At 11:57PM on March 12, 1928, the dam catastrophically failed, and the resulting flood took the lives of as many as 425 people.[2] The collapse of the St. Francis Dam is considered to be one of the worst American civil engineering disasters of the 20th century and remains the second-greatest loss of life in California's history, after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire.
The disaster marked the end of Mulholland's career.
This is when SOME people found out that you can't just build a dam anywhere you want, particularly in a region shot full of earthquake faults, like California happens to be. You have to be careful, and do a lot of study, not just throw things up. All the good sites are taken, already, and have been built.
Of course, you'd probably identify Tenmile Creek as the perfect spot to build a dam, west of town. But then you'd find Helena at the bottom of your reservoir. Good planning.
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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Ken, did you see the article in last week's New Yorker about Mosul Dam? Talk about a disaster waiting to happen - evaporites dissolving beneath the dam requiring constant grout pumping to fill the voids.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Re building dams in the wrong places, I know Idaho doesn't count, but try searching Teton Dam Idaho. A Bureau of Reclamation fiasco.
It suffered a catastrophic failure on June 5, 1976, as it was filling for the first time.
The collapse of the dam resulted in the deaths of 11 people and 13,000 cattle. The dam cost about $100 million to build, and the federal government paid over $300 million in claims related to its failure. Total damage estimates have ranged up to $2 billion. The dam has not been rebuilt.
Teton dam failure photo. The dam was about one mile wide, so the breach is about 1/4 mile wide, to give some sense of scale.
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WBraun
climber
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10-15 inches of rain in the foothills and Sierra this weekend.
Holy sh!t !!! I hope NOT!!!!
They brought in a Zodiac w/motor and the biggest excavator I've seen in a while here.
I sure hope it doesn't become another 97 flood .....
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Got back to NV after midnight. 3 below and a good foot of snow up here in my canyon draining a major portion of the northern Virginia Range. I'm off soon to buy some sand bags, but it will be pretty futile if it's a repeat of 97 because Paiute Creek (Usually only an underground flow 9 months of the year) is forty feet off the back corner of the house and 8 feet below. I guess I'll hope for snow on the lower range of estimates.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Truckee FD has sandbags for anyone in town who needs them.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Kern River peaked at 10,000 cfs today. Settled down to 8,000 cfs. My friend there texted " Brown and big".
I think it was 2002? when there was a big fire- or Two- in the Kern Drainage and it burned almost all summer.
Kris and I were climbing at the Rincon and a huge storm hit Saturday and it belted down all nite long.... hard!!! The next day we decided to split for Trona-and dry climbing.
We go to the Kern by where Salmon Creek flows into it.... The river was in a unbelievable state.... Dark Root Beer colored, with Trees and Logs, and all sorts of flotsam and jetsam streaming past.... and it was almost up to the road!
Sierra South folks captured a big jug of the water and its in the store now.... its about 50% mud and ash, the rest water.
Mo nature can be thrilling to watch... if your safe.
I hope all of US come out of this OK.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Here it comes.
My 19th nervous breakdown.
Santa Cruz Mtns gonna get hammered through Monday
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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How wet is it, Johnny?
Not enough yellow or red to be called 'biblical'.
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WBraun
climber
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Relax man, the Big One isn't here yet.
Whoa !!!
Fatrad is coming back to the forum .....?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Break out the lifesaver donuts! Don't let him in the river, he'll displace too much water!
The willows are bent by the force of the current and water weight, so the actual level is hard to estimate by looking at the balls of litter.
A more accurate assessment is made by looking at the waterline on the beach, of course.I expect the levels will be increasing this evening since it's been raining here since 3 a.m.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Tad, yer camera has bunches of bad pixels in its sensor!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Reilly...sure that isn't a fence..?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Got a few shots of the snow after the storm three days ago. Dusted snow right up into the ORG. (the pics didn't come out :( ) The Whites are white. Pine Creek got about 8 inches of snow. I didn't have chains so I couldn't quite get all the way to the top but the winds were blowing and the snow running across the cliffs was pretty cool.
This giant cloud formation over White Mountain had completely disappeared 15 minutes after I took the shot:
Pine Creek:
Pine Creek interior near sunset: BRRR
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Question: How would one compare the hazards of driving to Santa Barbara tomorrow vs flying? My daughters ride has bailed. I'm thinking about driving her vs putting her on a plane....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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The main hazard of flying is financial. ;-)
Prolly safer, too, at least once you get on the plane. :-/
That said, she would be on a small turboprop being driven by people building hours toward
a job with a major.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Driving from where?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Driving from Auburn/Sac. Flying safety wise, I'm concerned that high winds, water, and runways affect airplanes too.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Survival, statistically, flying is safer. My only major concerns with getting on a regional are the
n00b pilots dealing with a serious mechanical issue or icing. The regionals fly pretty nice rigs
these days and icing isn't much of an issue between SAC and SBA.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Driving is cheaper, I have a capital to stay in down there, and I get 7 more hours with my daughter. Tough call.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sounds like a no-brainer, plus you can stop off at the Carrizo Plain for a quiet moment and
look at Horned Larks. :-) Don't ferget the James Dean memorial site!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I meant to say casita, not capital. FRIGGIN'auto correct, ha!
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Yeah- regardless of "statistics:- anywhere within a day's drive- I'd personally drive. Cheaper and probably faster. Quality time with the daughter a bonus of course. Airports are probably a PIA right now with knee-jerk heightened security in effect.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I'd do the drive over flyin.
I agree, I'll take a roadtrip over a plane ride any day. Flying is a PITA nowdays.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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The votes are in!!
I agree!!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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NWS just released a weather advisory, snow level rising to 8500-9000 feet by morning in Mono County
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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NWS just released a weather advisory, snow level rising to 8500-9000 feet by morning in Mono County
That's a recipe for icing. Good call on driving, Survival.
You do yer handle justice.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Thanks Reilly. I had a gut feeling, that if things were bad, at least I'd be on the ground with my daughter.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Just a trace of rainfall here so far. Snow melting steadily with the mid forties temps. So far, it appears that between the rainfall in the California lowlands and the wringing effect of the Sierra the clouds are dry by the time they get here. Will keep my fingers crossed about the longer forecast but keep the sand bags at ready.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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survival ...trust your instincts..
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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The foot of snow I had yesterday is now reduced to 3" of slush amid temps in the low 50's and a steady moderate rain since early am. NO flooding yet, but the Truckee is supposed to crest from early evening to early am tomorrow at 21.2', flooding industrial areas near the river in Reno and Sparks. How's conditions in your neck of the woods guys?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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^^I'm not sure what this was meant to accomplish, exactly.
Also, thunder and lightning here overnight.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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My neighbor informed me that the mountain closed because of lightening...saw a few lightening flashes this morning..
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Paiute Creek has diverted to the road bed. Going upstream to see if I can get it back into channel. If I can't the road will soon be history.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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I've got The Simpson's style blue sky with some white clouds down in SoCal. But we did have a few days of light rainfall that was nice.
Edit: ^^^ sounds gnarly... good luck.
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Stimbo
Trad climber
Crowley Lake
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Check out these wind gust readings from Squaw Valley! 173 mph?!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Unsuccessful in getting the above pictured portion of the creek back into its channel. The previous days of sub zero temps have the soils frozen harder than Concrete. Bent my pick axe trying to dig a channel.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Easy peasy!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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I went down for my nap at around one.
Now I find the skies turned Noachian,
It's not miraculous, just predictable.
It's time to be practical, logical,
It's time to go back to sleep,
Time to go lay with my sheep...
Tell me where is my lamb?
I can't sleep with out my lamb!
Please tell me where is my lamb?
--The Showercap of Venus
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Package delivered safely!!
Made it to the bivy ledge, f*#king hard man I am.
I win. Game over.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Wake and bake!
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jonnyrig
climber
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A little flooding in Carson.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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It certainly appears to be an 'atmospheric river'.
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BigB
Trad climber
Red Rock
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Reilly, ^is that the one that you could drive your car thru? edit: nvrmnd you posted pics after my ?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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the sequoia known as the Pioneer Cabin in Calaveras Big Trees St Park fell Sunday. RIP
Nostalgic no doubt, but amazing it lasted as long as it did and what dumb f*#k at the time decided cutting a hole in it was a good idea.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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It looks like we all got off lite this time, so far.
But, we are about due for a repeat of the great flood of 62', that's 1862. This event effected the entire west coast from Canada into northern Mexico and eastward to Idaho, Nevada, Utah. Some geologists studying it have determined the frequency to be less than a 1000 year event, more in the 100-200 year range. Could be a quick way to recharge the aquafer's with Lake California (300 miles by 30 miles) feeding it.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Took these before the rain started this afternoon.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Was watching a big otter today in the Folsom South Canal overflow by the bike trail near my home in rural S/E Sacramento county.
Then this happened.
Three tumbling youngsters
Never noticed them around this area before.
I counted five otters total on the way back by.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Six Mile Canyon Rd out of Virginia City
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, rick...
wow, a friend of mine, was going through stuff, in gardnerville area, and, i heard all about the RENO AREA, on the public radio...
hope all went well for you...
also, as to your quote, moosedrool, wow:
Jan 4, 2017 - 12:39pm PT
My kids (31 and 35 years old are still kids, right?) are now in Minden, NV. They tried to get to Kirkwood today. Hwy 88 closed. No snowboarding.
Moose
my friend, was very near?? this area, i think...
i will go check...
thanks for the share...
for DMT and all:
FIRST A VIEW BEFORE THE FLOODED SHARE
(HAVE TO REALLY scroll down to find them all)...
http://www.sacbee.com/news/weather/article125196579.html
(SHOWS a few other rivers, too, the YUBA, THE AMERICAN, AND MERCED,
AND another one...
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 10, 2017 - 07:15am PT
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Bishop has just been totally grim for a week. Poor little Matrix - between the intermittent snow and rain that would freeze solid- it was kinda entombed in ice... took forever to defrost and chisel it out of the ice shield two days ago..
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jan 10, 2017 - 09:35am PT
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http://www.nws.noaa.gov/wtf/showsigwx.php?warnzone=CAZ072&warncounty=CAC017&firewxzone=CAZ272&local_place1=South+Lake+Tahoe+CA&product1=Blizzard+Warning
Blizzard Warning
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RENO NV
234 AM PST TUE JAN 10 2017
CAZ072-NVZ002-102245-
/O.UPG.KREV.WS.W.0003.000000T0000Z-170112T1200Z/
/O.NEW.KREV.BZ.W.0001.170110T1034Z-170111T1800Z/
/O.NEW.KREV.WS.W.0004.170111T1800Z-170112T1200Z/
GREATER LAKE TAHOE AREA-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, TRUCKEE, STATELINE,
AND INCLINE VILLAGE
234 AM PST TUE JAN 10 2017
...BLIZZARD WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 10 AM PST WEDNESDAY...
...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 10 AM WEDNESDAY TO 4 AM
PST THURSDAY...
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RENO HAS ISSUED A BLIZZARD
WARNING, WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 10 AM PST WEDNESDAY. THE WINTER
STORM WARNING IS NOW IN EFFECT FROM 10 AM WEDNESDAY TO 4 AM PST
THURSDAY.
* TIMING: DANGEROUS BLIZZARD CONDITIONS DUE TO HEAVY SNOW AND
STRONG WINDS WILL CONTINUE TODAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING.
PERIODS OF MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW WILL CONTINUE THROUGH
WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS THROUGH THURSDAY MORNING: 5 TO 10 FEET ABOVE
7000 FEET WITH 3 TO 7 FEET AT LAKE TAHOE LEVEL.
* WINDS: SOUTHWEST 20 TO 30 MPH WITH GUSTS TO 60 MPH THROUGH
WEDNESDAY MORNING. SIERRA RIDGE GUSTS OVER 100 MPH.
* SNOW LEVELS: BELOW LAKE LEVEL...MAY BRIEFLY RISE TO 6500 FEET
THIS AFTERNOON BEFORE FALLING AGAIN.
* IMPACTS: DANGEROUS LIFE THREATENING BLIZZARD CONDITIONS WITH
NEAR ZERO VISIBILITY WILL EXIST FOR TRAVEL AND OUTDOOR
ACTIVITIES WITH HEAVY SNOW ACCUMULATION ON ALL SIERRA ROADS.
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
THIS IS A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TRAVEL!
ROAD CREWS AND FIRST RESPONDERS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RESCUE YOU.
STAY INDOORS UNTIL THE SNOW AND WIND SUBSIDE. EVEN A SHORT WALK
COULD BE DEADLY IF YOU BECOME DISORIENTED.
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trailridge127
Trad climber
Loveland, CO
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Jan 10, 2017 - 09:42am PT
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Holy smokes that's alot of snow!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 10, 2017 - 10:01am PT
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Let it RAIN .... Let it snow...
and Maid... its not grim in Bishop... the water is life returning to that so parched place. Last time I went to the SADS everything was so dry and fragle it was SAD!
I bet we have a great spring bloom this year, it will be wonderful to see.
DMT... I love the weather stuff you post, keep it up.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 10, 2017 - 10:05am PT
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Be careful what you hope for Guyman. Google Great Flood of 1862 and read the Scientific American article.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 10, 2017 - 10:25am PT
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Mother do you think they'll try to drown my ass?
Mother does it have to be so high?
Mother should I build a boat?
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Jan 10, 2017 - 04:00pm PT
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I figured there'd be a good storm thread on ST. Strong work lads.
I always wanted a pond but didn't expect I'd get one while still living in suburbia. I'm over all this rain. Enough all ready, or aim it more south.
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otisdog
Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
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Jan 10, 2017 - 04:54pm PT
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Rick - Where's the Scientific American article?
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otisdog
Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
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Jan 10, 2017 - 07:37pm PT
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Thank you.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 10, 2017 - 07:40pm PT
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Well it looks a little like a river.
Damage to pyramid highway.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 10, 2017 - 08:01pm PT
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There is damage here and there all over NW Nevada. The thing is that the snowpack melted over frozen ground, penetrating mere inches, if at all, before rushing downhill. The soils have now melted partially, but are now saturated. I'm not saying that a 1862 like event is in the cards, but keep an eye out for Indian tribes relocating uphill to high ground.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 10, 2017 - 08:38pm PT
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It's been raining pretty steady all day here in Newcastle, and then at 8:30pm it decides to get serious about dumping! WTF? Hope this wave passes quickly! Right now I'm glad I live on top of a hill...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 11, 2017 - 02:17am PT
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I lay down for a four hour nap without a flake on the ground and wake up to this. Will you guys please keep your sh#t down there in cali where it belongs! This is exactly why I left Chicago and NH. And let me f*#king guess, when this sh#t melts we'll undoubtedly be inundated by a biblical plague of mosquitos, black flies and horseflies.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 11, 2017 - 05:00am PT
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DM88T
climber
Dave Tully SanDimas,California
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Jan 11, 2017 - 08:44am PT
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The Valley is beautiful in the sleeting rain. I just wish the drainage was better in Camp 4.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 11, 2017 - 03:09pm PT
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There are now several Truckee sized rivers feeding Pyramid Lake. Pictured above is a twelve mile river (only flows all the way in flood events) that is responsible for one of the four washouts on SR446.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 11, 2017 - 03:13pm PT
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Filling up again and erasing the drought deficit rapidly. You can make out the the mouth of Warm Springs River in the above photo.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Jan 11, 2017 - 05:17pm PT
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We're getting hammered in Colorado too.
Some ski resorts have had to close for a day or two due to too much snow.
Lots of avalanches blocking highways.
So far our snowpack is 150% above normal.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 12, 2017 - 05:04pm PT
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Virginia City highlands today. Snowshoed Pou two miles to fix a backhoe. Ah the wonders pack rat teeth can do for a wiring harness.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 12, 2017 - 05:08pm PT
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Yosemite Valley, all of that glorious water and no dam....Hetch Hetchy could be put to shame!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 12, 2017 - 06:05pm PT
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WTF Donini? Shouldn't you and Smith be climbing that mountain rather than blather here? Get yet asses up there and work on a good TR.
Johnny, looks like you could of used NV ENERGY'S brand new snow cat that cruised past my place today en route to Virginia Peak.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 12, 2017 - 07:12pm PT
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Weird that NVEnergy would use that road. They must have been inspecting the lines, as the other road is much better access.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 13, 2017 - 08:17am PT
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According to today's LA Times 58% of Cali is still in drought. Where's my rain?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 13, 2017 - 08:28am PT
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Well, some of us don't want to impose on y'all up there, specially if ya secede.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 13, 2017 - 05:44pm PT
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Playing hooky Hocking..?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 13, 2017 - 07:25pm PT
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Big Chico - now there's an oxymoron!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 15, 2017 - 10:10am PT
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And soon to rise further as we enter round 3?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 15, 2017 - 10:31am PT
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At my position in a narrow canyon draining a major portion of the snow plastered Pah Rah Range I'm hoping for a miss of the upcoming front. Maybe it will be less moisture laden than the last and/or swing far to the south where they still need some. One can hope for the best and still keep the meager flood preps in place.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 15, 2017 - 03:44pm PT
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hey there say, reilly, wow, thanks for that 'ski run' pic, of that road...
:O
say, and dingus, as to this:
I know, right? To be fair a lot of the water in the above photo represents standing water on rice paddies. A flood, yes, but a controlled flood, at this point. Water protection system did its job this time, so far, for the most part.
DMT
I JUST LEARNED SOMETHING about sacramento, from a news link, oh my...
(never heard this in school, far as i remember) ...
THIS MUST BE, what you meant, by controlled flood of the rice-paddies, right:
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/california-flooding-keep-cities-flooding/
ALSO: in article:
To see how close California is to being drowned by its recent winter storms, just look to the small crowd of spectators and TV newscasters gathered yesterday on the northwest side of the state capital hoping to watch state water managers open the gates of the Sacramento Weir. The weir, something between a dam and a levee, lets dangerously high water spill over its top into a long, narrow, floodplain filled with rice paddies, grain fields, and other row crops.
Californians pay attention to the weir for three reasons. One: People here are obsessed with water. Two: The thing hasn’t been opened in a decade. Three: Opening the 100-year old piece of infrastructure is a spectacle, requiring a person wielding a long, hooked pole to manually unlatch each of its 48 wooden floodgates. The crowd slept through that spectacle; state workers opened the weir in the dark, early this morning. They can still catch the sight of water thundering over the weir and into the Yolo Bypass, flooding the plain to protect the city of Sacramento.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jan 16, 2017 - 07:53am PT
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 16, 2017 - 02:31pm PT
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hey there say, batrock...
now, we just need a pic of him, and his ice tools, ;)
thanks for sharing some fun, here... my daddy would have
got a kick out of that, :)
happy good day, :)
how is your area doing, with the weather, by the way?
we are just cold and rainy here, but lots of rough ice all over--
slick and kind of bad, in that respects...
but a much more mild winter, than about 2-3 years back...
last year was bit milder too, but more snow...
but then, me, what do i know, :))
i'm from calif and south texas, :))
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 18, 2017 - 01:11pm PT
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DMT--They're blowing this giant beaver thing up all out of proportion. Coulda been a gang of normal-sized beavers.
Nice enlargement, BTW.
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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Jan 18, 2017 - 01:46pm PT
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"smells like 7 layers, that beaver eats taco bell."
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 18, 2017 - 01:48pm PT
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The "Feast or Famine State." You either get a lot of precip. or very little. A "normal year" never actually occurs.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 18, 2017 - 01:51pm PT
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Been a-splishin' and a-splashin' here off & on since before dawn, Tad.
Even the ducks are a bit concerned, putting it mildly.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 20, 2017 - 05:18am PT
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Holy Buckets Batman!!
Some ducks just pounded on the door and asked to come in!
Pouring like a beast in Newcastle right now!
How's this new round of storms shaping up in the high country?
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 20, 2017 - 06:48am PT
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Here in Carson it's amounted to nothing much more than a dusting. Haven't paid much attention to the top of the mountain; but I headlines about avalanche warnings and such. There was a good solid 8ft berm on the side of I80 when we drove over the top to Roseville last weekend. Still hoping for a break to drag some gear out with Rick. Failing that, maybe a longer exploratory drive toward Tonopah? Might be dry enough down that way...
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Jan 20, 2017 - 07:12am PT
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Gawd I wish it would STOP. enough already.
Dayum. I used to love the sound of rain....now....nope. And the wind. Oh the wind.
Will go check out the surf in awhile. Supposed to be awesome!!!!
Susan
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 20, 2017 - 07:13am PT
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Cats and Dogs here.
--Mouse
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jan 20, 2017 - 07:34am PT
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Here in Camino (Highway 50) at 3,000 ft. we have now had well in excess of 50" of rain since October.......rejoice!!! Expecting snow later today....love it.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jan 20, 2017 - 08:44am PT
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A balmy high of 35 in northern Idaho
Partly cloudy
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herm
Trad climber
Bishop
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Jan 20, 2017 - 11:18am PT
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^^^
I thunk it was always"North Idaho".
About a foot of snow on Rossi Hill outside of Bishop.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Kernville Annex)
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Jan 20, 2017 - 11:27am PT
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Why does that van above look like the Frankenvan, Dingus? Better check your parking space. ;)
Yah, I wouldn't doubt we get a consistent CFS rise on the Upper Kern. But nothing like we had from the last storm....18,000+ cfs! Class V+ chaos :)
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 20, 2017 - 11:33am PT
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Bishop now:
Heard they closed Mammoth for the day...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 20, 2017 - 11:34am PT
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Raining, hard ... buckets all night Long here in Moorpark, bring it.... I hope this keeps up.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Jan 20, 2017 - 11:45am PT
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"I hope this keeps up." X2
Recharge the earth please....
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jan 20, 2017 - 11:46am PT
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Dumping buckets in Santa Barbara since early this morning. Lots of street flooding and 2 National Weather Service Flash Flood alerts so far.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jan 20, 2017 - 01:56pm PT
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Thor's working up there. Big thunder here in the Santa Cruz Mountains for the first time in a couple years.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jan 20, 2017 - 02:22pm PT
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Here in south orange county we just had a nice drizzle/rain. There were a few hours where it came down pretty good tho. Good stuff.
That said, this place has felt a bit Seattle/Portland ish with cloudy days prevalent since early December; it is getting old. Wish I was still young and mobile enuf to go play on San Gorgonio; the pow up there must be awesome. Getting old sucks.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 20, 2017 - 03:21pm PT
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Jan 20, 2017 - 06:54pm PT
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Flooding in Pismo Beach today. One southbound lane of freeway closed. Yea! Bring it on :-)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 20, 2017 - 09:44pm PT
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Still snowing...Hasn't stopped inspite of TGT's climate denier tude...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 21, 2017 - 09:07am PT
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Got 3-1/8" yesterday on top of 1" Wed! So far this Jan the Monrovia Alps have received
17"!!!!!! A pity it hasn't been in the form of snow.
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John M
climber
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Jan 21, 2017 - 02:29pm PT
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Anyone know whats going on in Yosemite? I checked badger pass webcam and no one was there. I called road report and badger pass road is closed today and tomorrow, and 120 going through crane flat is also closed. Yet the valley is R 0.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 21, 2017 - 03:56pm PT
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I recommend a blue hard wax.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 22, 2017 - 08:27am PT
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It's not the Hammer Of God we're getting down here ( good thing, because it'd send SoCal right into the ocean ) just day after day of a Seattle-style showering shitmist.
We're forecasted to get slapped by the Sandal Sole Of Jesus today though.
( Mt San Bernardino, 1-21-17 )
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 22, 2017 - 10:05am PT
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God is hammerless here. One range east of the Sierra it's been virtually dry.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Jan 22, 2017 - 12:53pm PT
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Surely the Whites must be pretty darn white? Anyone in Bish got pics? I won't be up there until late Thurs.
BAd
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ruppell
climber
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Jan 22, 2017 - 01:03pm PT
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Bad
You can't see the Whites or Sierra right now. It's snowing in town. 6-12 by tomorrow morning is the current projection. 395 is closed at Gorge Rd. I've got a family of birds that have taken up residence on my covered deck. It's bad. lol
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Jan 22, 2017 - 02:25pm PT
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Thanks, Ruppell. It'll be something to see when it clears! Wow.
BAd
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 22, 2017 - 02:32pm PT
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Started raining here in Moorpark yesterday about 6:30p.... hasent stopped ...
Our local hills are soaking it up, not to much runoff .... the earth needed a big drink.
Good to know about Bishop, it needs a big drink also.
Drink up all.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 23, 2017 - 03:17am PT
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hey there say, ... wow, from CHP... tahoe area... you all know the
highway...
screen cap here:
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Carson City, NV
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Jan 23, 2017 - 06:40am PT
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It's still dumping @Kirkwood. A bunch of employees were evacuated from housing due to overloaded roofs. I got a room facing chairs 10 & 11. I'm watching a snowcat unbury 11 so the chairs can leave the terminal. It'll be another interesting day at The Wood. I'm not inclined to spend much time outside due to the avy danger.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 23, 2017 - 07:45am PT
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The wrath of God is upon us...Repent ...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 23, 2017 - 11:00am PT
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RJ.... it's to late
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 23, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
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hey there say, julia... man oh man, YES, stay safe there...
i have been reading about the avalanche dangers, :O in some areas...
did not know you were going through that, oh my...
wow, even chappy got snow, more than they expected, too, :O
and i learned that they are usually low enough to not get much,
:O
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 23, 2017 - 06:16pm PT
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Rainbow hazard alert.
But chill.
Do not panic...they are only rainbows and most aren't very large.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jan 24, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jan 24, 2017 - 12:14pm PT
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 24, 2017 - 05:26pm PT
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hey there say, dingus... wow... thanks for the update on the WEIR...
man oh man, i was really impressed when i read about it for the first time...
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Jan 24, 2017 - 05:40pm PT
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Bring back Sierra glaciers! Snow, baby, snow.
Almost 25 feet up on Mammoth.
BAd
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Jan 25, 2017 - 07:29pm PT
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When this
Goes on this
Billy the Beluga is gonna die
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jan 25, 2017 - 11:25pm PT
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Looks like it comes back next week.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jan 26, 2017 - 01:25am PT
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Just got caught up with shoveling, repenting for not having to do much of it for the last few years.
Feels like winter again, shovel, ski, shovel, shovel, ski, shovel, ski, repeat until cant move.
Ski more, get truck stuck, shovel, shovel, shovel, free truck and get home to shovel more.
In the morning, shovel the firewood, make fire, shovel truck out, ski, shovel.
Repeat, adding the shoveling out of the propane tank.
I wanna go ski some more.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 26, 2017 - 01:45am PT
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hey there say, F... thanks for sharing...
ohhhhhhhhhh my... :O
hope and pray, folks are ready...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 26, 2017 - 05:01am PT
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“The falls are destroyed,” said Dennis. “They’re gone.”
No, they'll be back. A moronic contractor buried Rubio Canyon Falls under tons of rock many years ago. 6 years later a big storm flushed all the rock out and the falls returned.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 27, 2017 - 01:05pm PT
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Drenched to the Bone by Bob Hate, weather analyst
https://vimeo.com/169869156
May be the last word on God's Hammer. Waiting for the Sickle now.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jan 27, 2017 - 03:42pm PT
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That's just a couple miles up from where I live. Fortunately the entire area of the '82 slide was deemed uninhabitable, so no one lives there any more. When the hill goes like this it's inconvenient for anyone living past it, but no one's in danger from it.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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What will Hartouni and Malamute have to complain about if this keeps up?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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NBC News reported this tonight.
PHILLIPS STATION, Calif. (AP) - Clambering through a snowy meadow with drifts up to the tree branches, California's water managers measured the state's vital Sierra Nevada snowpack Thursday at a drought-busting and welcome 173 percent of average.
Runoff from the overall Sierra snowpack, which provides arid California with a third of its water in a good year, stood at the highest level since 1995 for this point in the year, California's Department of Water Resources said.
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/34407013/drought-easing-california-snow-heaviest-in-22-years
No doubt, that water & more won't be enough.
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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I'm a cynical kinda person...
I can hear the real state development and irrigation infrastructure permits being stamped and printed as we speak.
I also can't wait to see the spring melt!!!!
Cheers
LS
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I'm taking out my drought proud yard and goin' back to fescue!
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I'm taking out my drought proud yard and goin' back to fescue!
That's a job no 'murican would do.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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I was in J Tree for the deluge 2 weeks ago. There were 2 days it seemed like June in the BC mountains.
Even had snow one day and I heard it snowed in Palm Springs.
Should be a good spring for desert flowers
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Before and After. I Dig Snow.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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The Tahoe Sierra is buried.....Echo Lakes Chalet yesterday:
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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It's looking like one of those western winters, where many of the folks who moved to scenic mountain towns during drought years, will be moving back to the lowlands, after a winter of more snow & snow-related suffering than they could ever have imagined.
In central Idaho, it is currently the snowiest winter since the mid-1990's, with more on the way from your current storm systems.
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WBraun
climber
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Meh .... wimpy little snow.
You should see how much snow falls on the other planets that you've never been too ......
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Tad, I hope you have your kayaks ready. Dry here, 150 miles SE, so far.
Seen any fish swim by your windows yet-kind of an aquarium in reverse ?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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where many of the folks who moved to scenic mountain towns during drought years...
Yeah, it's like the late 80's in Oregon when we had just a couple of months of rain for a few years and everyone moved here. In the early 90's when it went back to being normal Oregon they all left.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Been wet here today. Looks like y'all on the wet side are getting wetter. Hope you stay dry Tad.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, all...
wow, i been wondering how this last, and next, batch...
has been, and will be:
doing...
thanks for all the shares...
yeah, i heard their was new storms on the way...
some rain... some snow...
wow... :O
happy to see you all, all for now...
(meaning the note, not the snow) :O
:)
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WBraun
climber
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River has come up almost 4 feet now since this morning.
It's almost at 8 feet now.
It's still coming down in buckets .......
(2 more feet to flood stage)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, werner... wow!!! and man oh man... :O
prayers for all concerned, and, in the flow...
thank you again, so very much, for the update...
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John M
climber
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snow level above 8000 in Yosemite. Looks like Badger is getting rain.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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NPS is ordering everyone to head for higher ground ...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Yeah, that is hilarious.
Just not getting hit here, 20 miles NE of Reno. Lucky I guess.
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otisdog
Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
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Mouse...where's the video?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, oh my... thought i heard there was another... :O
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Middle of the night and he wakes me up with a...a pretty good question, it turns out.
otisdog, here ya go, found it on the Tewb.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
G'night.
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otisdog
Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
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Thanks , Mouse.
The bypass used to be the best public pheasant hunting area in the state, but the flood put an end to that....the birds are so stupid that they drown as opposed to flying to higher ground.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Agree with DMT. Totally funny pic BIOTCH
For the record.
I'm sick of this wet-cold bullsh#t.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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I'm sick of this wet-cold bullsh#t.
Me too. I bailed outta Santa Cruz and headed out to Moab early. Having some dry weather is a relief.
Susan
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Boitch..... spit coffee on monitor!!!
Good way to start the day....
Raining for two days straight... nice and steady... more is needed
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Sheets
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Holy crap, Werner. Never saw Horsetail raging like that.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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I posted this yesterday on the erosion thread. I see it's number two in the above link's gallery.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Looks like the state's inspectors let some shoddy work slip by them.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say... thanks for all the updates...
say, oh my, i have been wondering about the oroville spillway, too...
susan, was wondering how you are doing in santa cruz, :O
heard all the bad road stuff...
my friend's daughter (in felton area) is
'trapped' you might say, in her home...
flooded roads, etc...
ohmy...
northeast nevada:
say, please, what is the ELKO dam, in nevada... ??
saw that THAT broke...
and is flooding... is it a small dam, or something
really huge???
thanks for the updates...
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Photo by local photographer Paul Cockrell of SF American at Mosquito Bridge EDC.
As of last night we've had 67" + of rain at 3,000 ft. Tahoe Sierra West Slope....wonderful !!!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Thank the great spirit for the high snow pack, but getting weary of the rain rain rain rain....
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Happy Cowboy
Social climber
Boz MT
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Thanks for the recent photos mates! Incredible run-off.
I'd been nervous to be one of the workers pictured in Mono's CU of the spillway. Even with a tether (mighty long ones)
Feather river's flow makes me want a big glass of chocolate milk...
Charlie, is that what's called "bank full"?
If "misery likes company" here's what SW Montana's been left with after Cali's atmospheric wringing.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, happy cowboy... my twin buddies are from bozeman...
(they must have heard or seen the aritcle--i will ask them) ...
they are in libby, right now... and--dealing with the latest snow, there...
shoveling off their roofs...
oh my...
thanks for sharing...
edit:
until now, though, they had been getting lots of rain...
they prefer snow, to deal with, but
USUALLY :O not as much as they just had...
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WBraun
climber
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It is supposed to dump heavy heavy rain tonight ......
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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" How high's the water, momma?"
Past the door knobs an' go in higher !
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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80 mph winds on the east side...good day to watch for skirts catching air ....until you see a re-assignment gone wrong...
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Happy Cowboy
Social climber
Boz MT
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NeeBee, the cold mentioned ^^^ just broke. It was 48 f today. I heard Great Falls had a 56 degree change in temp over the last 24 hrs.
Big Arm on the Flathead is an exceptional place Walleye. How're the waves in this wind?
We might've met before. I'm married to Penny Bonovich, Susie's sister (the Bemidji midget).
Sue mentioned you spent time in MT. Drop a note if interested...blackwerk7 at gmail.com
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Checking in...
That situation in Oroville has me concerned.
That spillway is done and the reservoir is 90%+ full with more rain in the 10 day and months of the rainy season to go.
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WBraun
climber
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Twenty one mile reservoir in Elko county Nevada broke
#Floodingisbad
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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That damn got obliterated.
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John M
climber
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According to Howard, snow shovelers are making over 30 dollars an hour. Wow..
They say in Meteorology that the 3rd or last storm in a series is often times the biggest. This series may not be an exception….as Mammoth Mt apparently is in the Bull’s-eye sights, for this last storm in the series…..
Snow-plow driver are weary. Not only do they have a schedule to keep during storms, but in-between storms they have to create snow storage for the next storm. Many are so exhausted working around the clock that they are numb. We have a man power loader driver shortage. There are opportunities now, for some, that want to work in Mammoth, that knows how to drive snow removal equipment. We also have a big-big shortage of snow shoveler’s. Many are making at and over $30.00 per hour. Got shovels? Call any of local roofers. They are looking for bodies to shovel. One more issue….You will also have to find a place to live which is a challenge in itself.
This winter has been a major challenge, as not only is Mammoth out of snow storage, but the designated storage areas yesterday, had ramps weakened so badly by moderate rains over the lower elevations, that they were unusable. Now a small storm for Friday has turned into a big storm for the town. We all have to deal with one more.
http://mammothweather.com
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 10, 2017 - 08:58am PT
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John M...i heard 50 an hour which i find hard to believe...There are several roof failures happening this week......Some of the 2nd home owners are clueless when it comes to getting snow off of their homes and some just don't want to pay the pricey snow removal fees...Happens every time big snows are followed by rain.. There's not much snow storage due to the build out of Mammoth... small lots with large trophy homes where you can look into your neighbors house , don't leave enough room for snow storage...Then there's shortage of transient workers who quickly find out that Mammoth wages don't cover the cost of living here... Von's check out lines run out into the Sherwins because Von's can't find workers...The old adage that there's someone else waiting to take those jobs isn't always true...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 10, 2017 - 09:04am PT
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Pineapple Express plowed through PDX yesterday.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Feb 10, 2017 - 09:14am PT
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Just looking at the river gauges and noticed the Klamath at over 205,000 CFS!!! Wow!!!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2017 - 09:26am PT
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#pineappleriver
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knucko
climber
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Feb 10, 2017 - 10:18am PT
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Just drove into Carson City and back to my house in Minden. Here is a picture on the way back....
under that water is the southbound lane of HWY 395, I am travelling south in the northbound fast lane!!
Near Cradlebaugh Bridge.....
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knucko
climber
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Feb 10, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
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Ron Anderson sighting???
Sorry for the gRAINy picture....hijacked off of FB
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jonnyrig
climber
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Feb 10, 2017 - 12:43pm PT
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 10, 2017 - 12:48pm PT
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Thanks to the flow of warm air & spittle rolling up from California, it's raining up to 9,000' in south Idaho & at lower elevations the rain & melting snowpack are flooding fields & closing roads. Rivers are flowing at all-time highs for this date.
Heidi & I managed to get her pickup out of our gravel-drive morass this morning & drove into town.
Choss Creek wasn't the highest I've ever seen it, but it was close.
This little diversion dam was looking somewhat overwhelmed.
The large waterfall at center is 10-times larger than normal & I've never seen the other waterfalls before.
Our shared gravel road didn't quite wash out, when we caught an inch of rain on snow on Weds. night this week.
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Dan McDevitt
Trad climber
yosemite
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Feb 10, 2017 - 03:16pm PT
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Feb 11, 2017 - 07:18am PT
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Great stuff, DMT. Mammoth summit is at 340" now. What a year.
BAd
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 11, 2017 - 07:38am PT
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DMT, the leading ST chronicler of the waters of '17.
On another note: Lake Oroville is projected by Roy Spencer to breach it's emergency spillway level by 8 am this morning. Any one heard of evacuations from Oroville or other communities downstream?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Feb 11, 2017 - 08:02am PT
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Hard to believe, but as of yesterday the Shasta Reservoir was 96% full, 7 feet below the crest. Man, all the times I've driven down to Cali and passed that almost empty lake with its beached boat docks ........ incredible it can fill like that.
Here's a link to a California government daily level report: https://www.usbr.gov/mp/cvo/vungvari/daily.pdf
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 11, 2017 - 08:09am PT
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Mammoth summit is at 340" now.
Meh. That is 700" less than what Mt Baker gets in a gud year.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 11, 2017 - 08:51am PT
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Looks like the Oroville Dam breached the emergency release level shortly after 8 this morning. Could get interesting. KCRA has live shots.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 11, 2017 - 08:56am PT
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It was 80 degrees in Denver, yesterday.
Also, the Ouray Ice Park closed yesterday because of warm temps, and deteriorating conditions.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Feb 11, 2017 - 10:10am PT
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It was also 80 degrees yesterday in Palm Springs.
Granted SoCal hasn't been anywhere near as rainy as farther north, but it's still been pleasantly rainy. My sweetie and I wanted a warm weather break so we did a day trip to Palm Springs. Josh was another option but the forecast was a bit windy.
We did a nice hike in the Indian Canyons. The Stone Pools were deep and beautiful, and people thrilled by the heat were submersing themselves in the water.
Came home to cloudy conditions and the rain started again by 5 PM, rained steady all night.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Feb 11, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
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Here's a video of the Oroville dam emergency spillway in operation for the first time ever:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Now you California creeps can stop trying to steal water from us Washingtonians.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Feb 11, 2017 - 04:49pm PT
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 11, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
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Sorry to have missed you on your jaunt past my place into the Pah Rah Range Jonny. Did you make it all the way up to your property?
Went out to the Selenites and points beyond today. The road to The Sphinx parking area is rough, but passable. Just patchy snow on the north exposures on the approach. Might be going up tomorrow with Jack and Alex. Sphinx south face and the Obelisk should be decently warm.
On another note; the big hammer of God presently seems to be Oroville Dam. With no chance of repair till the dry season, and with more wet weather and spring snow melt looming, how long can the damaged spillway and emergency spillway last before the earthen dam itself is compromised to the point of catastrophic failure? How many millions of people's properties, businesses, critical transportation arteries, etc, downstream would be destroyed in such a disaster? If I was in Oroville I'd have my bags packed and loaded and escape routes out of harms way scoped out. Ditto with lots of Sacramento and beyond neighborhoods.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 11, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
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I wouldn't want to try and sell a house in Oroville right now.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Feb 11, 2017 - 06:49pm PT
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I wouldn't want to try and sell a house in Oroville right now. Dam damage or not........You wouldn't want to live in Oroville.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Feb 12, 2017 - 05:21pm PT
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BUTTE CA- 447 PM PST SUN FEB 12 2017 ...A FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR A DAM FAILURE REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 415 PM PST MONDAY FOR SOUTH CENTRAL BUTTE COUNTY... At 441 PM PST * Flash Flood Warning for... A Dam Failure in... South central Butte County in northern California... * Until 415 PM PST Monday * At 445 PM PST, Officials now anticipate a failure of the auxiliary spillway in 60 minutes. Residents of Oroville should evacuate in a northward direction such as towards Chico. Other city's should follow the orders of their local law enforcement. Operation of the auxiliary spillway has lead to severe erosion that has lead to a failure of the structure. Failure of the auxiliary spillway structure will result in an uncontrolled release of flood waters from Lake Oroville. Immediate evacuation from the low levels of Oroville areas downstream is ordered. From Oroville to Gridley...low level areas around the feather river will experience rapid river rises. This is not a Drill. This is not a Drill. Repeat this is not a drill. * Locations impacted include... Oroville, Palermo, Gridley, Thermalito, South Oroville, Oroville Dam, Oroville East and Wyandotte. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... Turn around, don't drown when encountering flooded roads. Most flood deaths occur in vehicles. Move to higher ground now. Act quickly to protect your life. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... Turn around, don't drown when encountering flooded roads. Most flood deaths occur in vehicles. Move to higher ground now. Act quickly to protect your life. && LAT...LON 3953 12139 3934 12156 3933 12172 3952 12163 3961 12149 $$
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 05:22pm PT
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wow.. what a poorly designed emergency relief spillway.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article132332499.html
Officials warn of “imminent failure” at Oroville Dam’s emergency spillway
4:45 p.m.
Officials are warning those living downstream of Lake Oroville’s dam to evacuate because of a risk that the dam’s emergency spillway could collapse.
“They have what they expect to be an imminent failure of the axillary spillway,” said Mike Smith, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. “What they’re expecting is as much as 30 vertical feet of the top of the spillway could fail and could fail within one to two hours. We don’t know how much water that means, but we do know that’s potentially 30 feet of depth of Lake Oroville.”
The Department of Water Resources, which operates the dam, said in a 4:42 p.m. Twitter post that the emergency spillway could fail within the next hour.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article132332499.html#storylink=cpy
Its not the dam. Its to the side of the dam. But it covers 30 feet of lake height. Here is a pic of the situation.
http://www.kcra.com/article/evacuation-orders-issued-for-low-levels-of-oroville/8735215
In below picture the dam is to the right. The main spill way is in the middle. It is concrete but is damaged about 2/3rds way down. the emergency spillway is to the left.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Feb 12, 2017 - 05:29pm PT
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failure is expected in 15 minutes...
Damn, I'm glad i didn't go to table mt today...I would be heading home right now...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 12, 2017 - 05:34pm PT
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hey there say, nita... oh my...
i just heard about all of this...
:O
lacey and me are talking this right now...
:O
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 05:44pm PT
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Anyone know a better site then KCRA.. they don't seem to know what they are talking about.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 12, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
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hey there say, ... thanks for the newest link...
also, this picture might help, not sure...
EDIT:
say, monolith...
wow, the SECOND LINK... shows when it is live and
when it is re'show...
thank you so very much...
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Feb 12, 2017 - 05:49pm PT
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i want to help but all i can think of is we could really use a new president about now
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
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hey there say, dan mc... say, THAT is a great pic of the upper falls...
very very great shot!
thanks for sharing...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
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I've been half expecting this since the first reports about the main spillway damage. The officials should have given warning yesterday. It can get a lot worse than just the emergency spillway.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:31pm PT
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They just said they brought the emergency spillway down to 2 inches and they're hoping that there will be no imminent failure.
They are going to fix the hole with helicopters dropping rocks into it ......
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:32pm PT
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hey there say, rick... yeah, i was kind of wondering, too, back
then... but then, i don't know much...
but still... it didn't sound too good, even then...
say, hey there to DMT...
good eve, to you all...
*will check in later, best wishes for all
that are evacuating...
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:33pm PT
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It just seems like this emergency spillway was poorly designed if less then one day of water going over it would cause this much erosion near the base of it.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:35pm PT
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You gotta be kidding Werner. It would take fleets of heavy lifting choppers to move the amount of rip rap neccessary.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:35pm PT
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Yeah, Werner, kinda like the way they 'fixed' Chernobyl? (i know you were funnin')
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
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The sheriff said this. lol
That is their plan believe it or not.
Helicopters dropping rocks into the main spillway damaged hole.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:40pm PT
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I thought they meant helicopters dropping rock into where the erosion was happening near the base of the auxiliary/emergency spillway.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:41pm PT
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They are not talking about filling the main spillway hole, they are talking about a boil that has developed below the emergency spillway.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:46pm PT
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Ok the boil hole then.
Either way helicopters bringing rocks.
Big bill and happy helicopter contractors .....
I sure hope that fukin emergency spillway doesn't break ....
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:50pm PT
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Any boulders less than 5 tons, and firmly fixed on flat or backsloping bedrock will be trundled downhill by the undercut and overflow water force. That sheriff is a quack.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:53pm PT
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The only hope is dropping the level thru the main spillway fast enough.
That's what they are trying to do at this moment.
DO NOT FEAR, EXPERTS ARE IN CHARGE < THEY KNOW WTF THEY ARE DOING
rolls eyes ......why everyone leaving town now if they know wtf they are doing, lol
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:55pm PT
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Gross materialist mental midgets think they can control Mother Nature. It's just past a full moon, she's raging full of hormones right now. Better just get out of the way and let her rage.
We're just getting the first of 8" of precip now, winds clocked at 49 where we just skied out from. It's about to get fun. Hope you folks that decided to live downstream from the dam get lucky. Because sometimes being lucky is better than being smart.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:56pm PT
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Its not the sheriffs plan. Its the Water departments plan. And the force of the water has been reduced because now there is only 2 inches of water going over the top of the emergency spillway. There was over a foot going over it. and it is dropping even further as they use the main spillway to relieve the pressure.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:57pm PT
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This might be the troublesome area:
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 06:58pm PT
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Gross materialist mental midgets
LOL ... definitely is what we are ......
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:00pm PT
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That pic is from when over a foot of water was going over the spillway. Other sites are saying the erosion has slowed with the reduction of water going over the spillway.
I am not an expert. This is just gleaning info from multiple sites.
It still seems like a lousy design.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:10pm PT
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Looks like a dogshit design to me... but I'm not a civil engineer, but I did see some pictures and a 2 minute video on youtube. IDIOTS!!!!
wow, didn't know that YouTube conveyed so much information... making a STForum viewer into a civil engineering expert in 2 minutes...
"before YouTube I couldn't spell en-gen-ear, now I R one!"
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:14pm PT
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Good one Ed.
Now, tell us how it's done...properly
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:18pm PT
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searching on utube for how to lance a boil...
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:19pm PT
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Once earthen dams go... they go. This could be real bad.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:25pm PT
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Hillary would NOT have let this happen in the first place!!!!!
I'm sure the Donald is boarding AFOne for an emergency visit . . . he knows a lot about dams and walls and sh#t. He'll sort it out quick like.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:28pm PT
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First, boil the lance.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:30pm PT
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All joking aside, this could get real bad, especially later in the week when the next round of permanent drought storms arrive. Could be a lot of flood refugees needing housing.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
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Just in case that much water bull rushes the ocean, I'm going to register the website domain names www.northerncalifornia.gov and www.southerncalifornia.gov.
Would nitro glycerin work, or is that just on K2?
Seriously, thoughts and prayers for all of you this could effect.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:34pm PT
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Air Force one has been grounded ...A half-dressed woman with a gun was discovered on the driver side wing...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:10pm PT
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Watching the video KRCR I'm seeing water running through, maybe at the base, the wall to the (climber's) left of the emergency spillway. Is this bad?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:12pm PT
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Now, tell us how it's done...properly
generally I'd find someone who knew what they were talking about...
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:15pm PT
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If it really is running thru the base, then yeah, that's bad.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:18pm PT
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Now they're showing the big white plastic bags of rocks they are planning to drop in there by helicopter. Is that what you call a "Hail Mary?"
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:33pm PT
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If you really need to know the infinite wisdom of civil engineers,
simply observe that the population concentration in California is where there is less rain.
Then notice the management philosophy of the civil engineer deciding what to do with the water that does fall in the LA basin. "get it out and get it out quick."
That is a direct quote from the former head of the LA Flood control district as he described the build philosophy of the system, i heard him say it years ago, and yes, he was a civil engineer.
The group of engineers rightly called themselves the Los Angeles Flood Control District.
They determined the best strategy for LA County, was to build a system of evacuation to the ocean.
Nearly zero settling ponds, very little provision for capture and infiltration for later reclamation, even the Sepulveda Basin was an afterthought. Bottom line, no consideration was given to recharging the water table. There was no effort to conserve water, ZERO>
The truth is these great calculators of slope and flow rates, had no hint of brain function. They get the water to the ocean as fast as possible!!!! With 25% of the county devoted to the automobile there is huge runoff, with no county provision for storage or infiltration, government worker classic, prevent flooding cya, and make no provision for saving water, in a highly populated desert.
as good at thinking as a hewlett packard calculator a few years ago, great at trig, and perfectly brainless.
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john hansen
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:37pm PT
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Kolsem ,I believe the water you speak of is from the emergency spillway over flow. It topped out at about 12600 cf per second.
It looks to me that the emergency spill way runs down the slope of a very substantial ridge of undisturbed soil and possibly bedrock.
Even the damaged main spillway is over this area ,away from the actual dam.
But water can always out flank you if there is enough. I saw the Auburn coffer dam get topped out and washed away in 1986. It was 400 feet tall and had backed the water up the canyon so far the bridges were under 100 feet of water, but once the water topped the road on top of the dam, it was over, We watched for about 45 minutes.
By then a third of the dam was gone.
If the main Oroville dam went it would be an unprecedented disaster.
But I don't think that will happen.
A good question would be.. what is the difference in height of the emergency spillway and the actual top of the earthen dam.
I also wonder what the east end of the dam looks like.
EDIT, Kolsem I stand corrected. It would be way better to go over the west end of the emergency spillway where it runs down across bedrock and natural terrain , rather then topping out over the dam.
You could even dig a channel on that end and let it erode it way thru.
Better then letting the whole thing go at once.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
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This is what's on the air. It looks like a lot of water is coming through the earth to the left of that emergency spillway.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:40pm PT
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Ed, Remember that there is a lot of politics involved with those decisions. How much money to spend, etc.
Edit: the area to the left of the emergency spillway is a parking lot for the boat ramp there. the water is filling it and flowing out from there in that picture above.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:47pm PT
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the area to the left of the emergency spillway is a parking lot for the boat ramp there.
Thanks. The perspective was playing games with me.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:48pm PT
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I'd be interested in knowing more about the Auburn dam. My grandfather was on that project when it went. Hope oroville holds.
And yeah hey Rick, i made it up to my property. Not nearly as much water or erosion up there as i expected. Had brought snowshoes just in case but of course didn't use them. Got the Drone up for a brief flight in the lower canyon.
Sounds like E.R might be a go here pretty soon. Would like a look at some of those northerly formations.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
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the rate of property loss in river valleys below dams is higher after the dams are built.
Cities rezone areas that should not be built on because they are in the flood plane.
Then construction is later wiped out because the 100 year flood cannot be contained by the 50 year dam.. oft repeated syndrome, especially in the TVA.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:51pm PT
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Edit: the area to the left of the emergency spillway is a parking lot for the boat ramp there. the water is filling it and flowing out from there in that picture above. Right. The guy on the KCRA nowcast said there is not supposed to be water in that parking lot.
Water in that parking lot is kind of "outflanking" the emergency spillway. Not good.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:53pm PT
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my dad was offered the head job at oroville when I was in high school, but he didn't take it. My mom was tired of moving. He ended his career as the head of the Southern California water district for the Department of Water Resources. He was being groomed to be the head of DWR when he had a heart attack and retired. I have toured a lot of dams in California.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Feb 12, 2017 - 09:04pm PT
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http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article132332499.html
The worst case scenario
There is no map showing exactly what will happen if the emergency spillway collapses tonight. Officials only have a map showing a failure of the dam. That worst case scenario is useful in that it shows where water goes and how fast it gets there.
Water would get to the town of Oroville within an hour.
If Oroville Dam were to suffer a massive breach, water would get to the town of Oroville within an hour, according to GIS maps maintained by CalFire.
Within two hours, the small town of Briggs would be affected. In three hours, Gridley would be hit. Water would reach Live Oak in five hours..
It would take eight to 12 hours for the water to get to Marysville and Yuba City.
If the dam completely failed, flood depths could reach more than 100 feet in Oroville and up to 10 feet in Yuba City.
The CalFire maps represent a catastrophic breach and are not necessarily indicative of what could happen tonight.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 12, 2017 - 09:12pm PT
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I hope that this doesn't turn into another government dam disaster.
The Teton Dam, a brand new 305-foot high earthen dam, broke in 1976, flooding the downstream towns of Rexburg, Wilford, Sugar City, Salem and Hibbard. The Bureau of Reclamation built the dam in 1975 citing the need, ironically, for flood control. Over the next several months the reservoir rapidly filled to capacity, with a maximum depth of 240 feet.
When full capacity was almost reached, the dam broke. Seepage was reported and inspected the day before the failure, and work crews attempted to fill growing breaks in the dam minutes before it gave out, fleeing on foot as the widening gap swallowed their bulldozers.
When the full collapse came, the flood downstream killed at least 11 people (more were said to die from heart attacks related to the flood), and destroyed thousands of buildings.
The town of Rexburg, 12 miles from the dam (population 10,000), was as much as 80% destroyed. Nearly half a billion dollars in claims were levied against the Bureau of Reclamation. Though the affected area was large, the water spread out quickly on the flat floodplain, dissipating the force of the water.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 12, 2017 - 09:39pm PT
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hey there say, DMT...
happy good eve... thanks for the update...
say, here is a pic of the 'rocks for helicopter'
from the 'LIVE' news feed...
and one of the water rushing...
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Feb 12, 2017 - 09:51pm PT
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I was gone for several hours have not read any of the taco posts.....Local press conference at 10:00
Helicopters having been working dropping boulders for a while..Town is full of Orovillians
http://tunein.com/radio/North-State-Public-Radio-(KCHOKFPR)-917-s32025/
I guess it's capital public radio...
Good news for now.. the water has now gone down enough to stop flow over the emergency spillway. Need to lower the lake level to get a buffer before the next storm system arrives on Thursday. Evacuation order still in place.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Feb 12, 2017 - 10:03pm PT
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Sure hope the rocks shore up the hole in the emergency spillway, no telling what could happens if it fails....
The Sacramento Bee spoke with Joe Countryman, a member of the Central Valley Flood Protection Board and a former engineer with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for context on the engineering issues in the Oroville Dam crisis. Here is an edited transcript of the interview.
The Bee: What options does the state have given the situation at Oroville Dam?
Countryman: You have very limited options. The only one right now is to increase the outflow from the dam.
The Bee: They have ramped up water releases to 100,000 cubic feet per second down the damaged spillway. What was the highest the main spillway ever ran?
Countryman: In 1997 (during massive storms) it ran at 160,000 cfs.
The Bee: The dam is normally rated to handle that, right?
Countryman: The levees that provide flood protection downstream can handle 150,000 cfs
The Bee: If the top of the emergency spillway goes, is that basically dam failure?
Countryman: It’s not going to be the (main) embankment failure, but it’s a failure. If it does happen, there’s nothing saying that the ground is going to stay where it is. That force of water will start tearing that hill apart, and it could eat back into the reservoir and drain the reservoir.
The Bee: If that happens, is it a “who knows what will happen?” situation?
Countryman: Yeah, it’s speculation, but most of the speculation would be it’s not good. It will be a helluva mess downstream. I think they’re taking the right action. I think between now and Thursday, when the next storm arrives, they need to get the reservoir down as low as they can. Tomorrow, they need to start grouting the hell out of that embankment to try to shut off where that leak is.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 13, 2017 - 04:35am PT
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Cali should be able to handle the water....hell, the State managed to pack in 39 million people.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 13, 2017 - 07:42am PT
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Is it to late to switch crop planting to rice DMT?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 13, 2017 - 07:55am PT
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Other than the Hammer over the heads of those downstream from Oroville Dam, it's a brief calm before the storm. Round 3 or 4 or whatever is moving in mid to late week. Sierra snowpack at historic highs. Is the complete filling of Lake California just one or two large pineapple expresses away?
Why weren't the drought years used for maintenance of existing and construction of new dams? Did man made hysteria overcome rationality and human ingenuity?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 13, 2017 - 07:59am PT
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Rick, Al Gore told us we wouldn't need those reservoirs any longer except to dump all our
gas guzzlers into that Elon Musk would make useless.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 13, 2017 - 08:05am PT
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Well Reilly, when they abandon Sacramento (a la 1862) they should bring up Big AL from his Malibu mansion to commiserate with the California legislature and governor Moonbeam on the top floor of the capital building.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 13, 2017 - 08:10am PT
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Why weren't the drought years used for maintenance of existing and construction of new dams?
The $350,000,000 given to people who ripped out their lawns would have been better spent here.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 13, 2017 - 08:29am PT
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They're actually going ahead with dropping rocks from helos?
Isn't that called throwing good money after bad? Insanity.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 13, 2017 - 08:32am PT
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They are going to take YOUR rocks and throw them at the dam ..... :-)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 13, 2017 - 08:48am PT
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At this point they just want to be seen as doing something.
The wife's Dutch rels coulda provided cheaper advice.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Feb 13, 2017 - 09:08am PT
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if you didn't happen to click the (nita's 10:38 post upthread ^^^ ) SJ mercury news link:
Oroville Dam: Feds and state officials ignored warnings 12 years ago
More than a decade ago, federal and state officials and some of California’s largest water agencies rejected concerns that the massive earthen spillway at Oroville Dam — at risk of collapse Sunday night and prompting the evacuation of 185,000 people — could erode during heavy winter rains and cause a catastrophe.
Three environmental groups — the Friends of the River, the Sierra Club and the South Yuba Citizens League — filed a motion with the federal government on Oct. 17, 2005, as part of Oroville Dam’s relicensing process, urging federal officials to require that the dam’s emergency spillway be armored with concrete, rather than remain as an earthen hillside.
The groups filed the motion with FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. They said that the dam, built and owned by the state of California, and finished in 1968, did not meet modern safety standards because in the event of extreme rain and flooding, fast-rising water would overwhelm the main concrete spillway, then flow down the emergency spillway, and that could cause heavy erosion that would create flooding for communities downstream, but also could cause a failure, known as “loss of crest control.”
“A loss of crest control could not only cause additional damage to project lands and facilities but also cause damages and threaten lives in the protected floodplain downstream,” the groups wrote.
FERC rejected that request, however, after the state Department of Water Resources, and the water agencies that would likely have had to pay the bill for the upgrades, said they were unnecessary. Those agencies included the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, which provides water to 19 million people in Los Angeles, San Diego and other areas, along with the State Water Contractors, an association of 27 agencies that buy water from the state of California through the State Water Project. The association includes the Metropolitan Water District, Kern County Water Agency, the Santa Clara Valley Water District and the Alameda County Water District.
Federal officials at the time said that the emergency spillway was designed to handle 350,000 cubic feet per second and the concerns were overblown.
“It is important to recognize that during a rare event with the emergency spillway flowing at its design capacity, spillway operations would not affect reservoir control or endanger the dam,” wrote John Onderdonk, a senior civil engineer with FERC, in the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission’s San Francisco Office, in a July 27, 2006, memo to his managers.
“The emergency spillway meets FERC’s engineering guidelines for an emergency spillway,” he added. “The guidelines specify that during a rare flood event, it is acceptable for the emergency spillway to sustain significant damage.”
This weekend, as Lake Oroville’s level rose to the top and water couldn’t be drained fast enough down the main concrete spillway because it had partially collapsed on Tuesday, millions of gallons of water began flowing over the dam’s emergency spillway for the first time in its 50-year history.
On Sunday, with flows of only 6,000 to 12,000 cubic feet per second — water only a foot or two deep and less than 5 percent of the rate that FERC said was safe — erosion at the emergency spillway became so severe that officials from the State Department of Water Resources ordered the evacuation of more than 185,000 people. The fear was that the erosion could undercut the 1,730-foot-long concrete lip along the top of the emergency spillway, allowing billions of gallons of water to pour down the hillside toward Oroville and other towns downstream.
Such an uncontrolled release from California’s second-largest reservoir while it was completely full could become one of the worst dam disasters in U.S. history.
“We said ‘are you really sure that running all this water over the emergency spillway won’t cause the spillway to fail?'” said Ron Stork, policy director with Friends of the River, a Sacramento environmental group that filed the motions in 2005. “They tried to be as evasive as possible. It would have cost money to build a proper concrete spillway.”
Stork watched with horror Sunday night as the emergency spillway was at risk of collapse.
“I’m feeling bad that we were unable to persuade DWR and FERC and the Army Corps to have a safer dam,” he said Sunday.
Stork said that officials from the Department of Water Resources told him informally at the time that the Metropolitan Water District and the water contractors who buy water from Oroville did not want to incur the extra costs.
“I’m sad and hoping, crossing my fingers, that they can prevent the reservoir from failing,” he said. “I don’t think anybody at DWR has ever been this close in their careers to such a catastrophic failure.”
Lester Snow, who was the state Department of Water Resources director from 2004 to 2010, said Sunday night that he does not recall the specifics of the debate during the relicensing process 11 years ago.
“The dam and the outlet structures have always done well in tests and inspections,Snow said. “I don’t recall the FERC process.”
Stork said at the time he talked to Snow about the environmental group’s concerns, and he recalls that Snow said the issue was being handled mostly by one of his lieutenants.
A filing on May 26, 2006, by Thomas Berliner, an attorney for the State Water Contractors, and Douglas Adamson, an attorney for the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, discounted the risk. It urged FERC to reject the request to require that the emergency spillway be armored, a job that would have cost tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars.
“The emergency spillway was designed to safely convey the Probable Maximum Flood, and DWR has reviewed and confirmed the efficacy of the PMF hydrologic analysis for Oroville Reservoir,” the attorneys noted.
Ultimately, they were successful. FERC did not require the state to upgrade the emergency spillway.
By PAUL ROGERS | progers@bayareanewsgroup.com |
PUBLISHED: February 12, 2017 at 9:37 pm | UPDATED: February 13, 2017 at 10:10 am
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couchmaster
climber
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Feb 13, 2017 - 09:42am PT
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Damnit, I thought this was a trip report about a route called "Hammer of God". Just clicked the thread and see it's only subject is the weather.
That would be a good route name in case it's not taken yet:-)
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 13, 2017 - 09:52am PT
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Politics yes, corrupt politicians for sale to the highest bidder to be specific.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 13, 2017 - 09:53am PT
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Already taken Couchy.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 13, 2017 - 09:56am PT
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hey there say, all...
i just wonder, and sure hope not, but:
after having long drought, and then, such water, etc,
or such, affecting the land (seeping in?) does this
affect earthquake situations...
does anyone have info on this...
i mean, if it did, is anyone
having any ideas as to how to help folks?
not wanting to be thinking of worse stuff,
but, there is all the fault lines,
and, me, i don't understand,
but just wonder... :O
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 13, 2017 - 10:36am PT
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#waitforthelocusts
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 13, 2017 - 11:05am PT
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hey there say, DMT... that is a scare, though, man oh man...
:(
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 13, 2017 - 11:17am PT
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I hope you'll like this shot, neebee.
And I know you'll love Sad Joan's ballad, as well.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Elvis sang a good version, too.
Request
We pray for rain
Then pray for snow
Won't you please pray
The dam don't go?
-mfm
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 13, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
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hey there say, mouse... wow, what a shot!
whewww... i got another really good one, last night...
i will post it in a minute, but not as good as that...
wow...
:)
here it is, from the news cast...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 13, 2017 - 12:15pm PT
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hey there say...
did i ever post this, yet...
actually, werner, i thought you might
have been teasing a bit,
UNTIL i saw this...
:O
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Feb 13, 2017 - 02:35pm PT
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Here is a link to the USACE Levee database. You can go to this website and input your zip code and select radius of investigation and it will return a table of Levees in this area.
http://nld.usace.army.mil/egis/f?p=471:1:
Here's a screen capture of what the database returned when I input the Rio Vista CA zip code and 25 mi radius. As you can see, there are several unacceptable inspection ratings including fairly large levees in residential areas. I don't know what this means in terms failure risk related to a large unplanned release from an upstream dam.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Feb 13, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
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Why weren't the drought years used for maintenance of existing and construction of new dams? Did man made hysteria overcome rationality and human ingenuity?
The erosion on the emergency spillway is a design issue, not a maintenance issue. That spillway is nominally designed for 350,000 cfs. But a flow of 6,000 to 12,000 cfs for a few hours caused enough damage to order an evacuation. A little bit of maintenance would not have fixed that. The Mercury News article on this was pretty good. The spillway should have been lined with large boulders to prevent the erosion that happened.
Since emergency spillways are rarely, if ever, used. Experiencing some damage during use (and then repairing as necessarily) can be cheaper than a more expensive design while still protecting the dam from failure. But if a flow that is only 5% or so of the design flow causes serious damage, then it wasn't designed/built correctly.
As far as large dams that would provide flood protection for the Sacramento and its tributaries, the good sites are pretty much all taken. The only remaining site that I'm aware of that has much potential is Auburn. Local politics, combined with the environmental loss, combined with the fact that congress would never allocate Federal money for it, probably ain't going to happen.
There has been too much development, too close to rivers. That makes it really expensive to provide flood protection. The lake level in reservoirs could be kept at lower levels which would provide additional flood protection. But then farmers would go ballistic if the state flipped back into a drought.
All of the current proposed dam projects that I'm aware of would only be for water supply during droughts. Having an off-river site that requires the water to be pumped into it does not provide flood protection. I'm not ideologically opposed to this on principal. However, I am opposed to spending tax payer money to provide subsidized water to farmers.
For where northern CA is at, for flood protection, it really comes down to building and maintaining levees.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Feb 13, 2017 - 06:08pm PT
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^^^ a lot of good info and commentary on this thread. Here's a historic perspective on this winter 2017:
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 13, 2017 - 06:31pm PT
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Uploaded in 2012, never used in a post.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 14, 2017 - 02:53am PT
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For where northern CA is at, for flood protection, it really comes down to building and maintaining levees.
I totally disagree with levee-building on the Sacramento and with levee building on the San Joaquin.
When one town on one side of the river built a levee, it caused flooding across the river.
The town over there decided to raise one, too.
Surprise! It caused flooding on the other side of the river.
Their levee went higher.
And so on. This is actually how it happened between Yuba City and others in the area.
The only way the situation was resolved was to create the system of drainage weirs lower downstream, including the Yolo Bypass.
It's been proven (to me, at least) that levees don't work, yet folks still think they need them.
This is the book you need to find:
Memories: My seventy-two years in the romantic county of Yuba, California
by W.T. Ellis
William Turner Ellis (b. 1866) was the son of a Marylander who became a well-to-do merchant in Marysville, California.
Turner carried on the family business and served on Marysville's Levee Commission for forty years.
Memories (1939) contains Ellis's account of his boyhood in Marysville and the town's early history
from the 1850s and his experiences as a local business and political leader.
More than half the book is devoted to Ellis's service on Marysville's Levee Commission.
He proudly displays the knowledge of flood control that helped protect Marysville from the Feather
and Yuba Rivers and recounts related controversies including the impact of hydraulic mining on flood control costs.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Feb 14, 2017 - 06:35am PT
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That Hwy 160 Levee Road is one of my favorite drives. Good thing winter is over and it never storms in February....or March.....or April....or May.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Feb 14, 2017 - 06:43am PT
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When I went to Michigan State (big mistake but not relevant) I lived fairly close to the Red Cedar river. We had flooding issues one spring, and I wandered down to the woods by the river to watch the thrashing water, contained in the river channel by, you guessed it, a levee. As I stood on this levee I noticed a small flow of water coming out the backside. In a matter of fifteen minutes the small leak eroded into total collapse of the dirt levee and the river started flooding into the city. What caused the failure I was so fortunate to observe? A muskrat hole. Yep a little critter had made a home that precipitated a flood. Not sure what the moral of the story is, except maybe hubris.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 14, 2017 - 06:55am PT
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winemaker...what's the beef with Moo U..?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 14, 2017 - 06:58am PT
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You mean aside from the fact it's in Michigan?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Feb 14, 2017 - 07:13am PT
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rj ....... too big, too impersonal, just an industrial mill, not a good fit for me; that's why I urged my daughter to go to a small school where she would actually get to know her lecturers. Anyway, I did get to see a levee fail, which was pretty epic. It was really interesting from other aspects too; water was actually coming up out of storm drains and flooding streets, as the water flowed in the opposite direction. Again, lack of thought and planning. If water flows downhill, which it generally does, then what happens when the river level is higher than the storm drains? Duh.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Feb 14, 2017 - 10:20am PT
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Looks like another hammer blow this weekend--dammit. Got few papers to read (I'm a teach) and it's a long weekend. Rain everywhere. Gah. Hope that damn dam holds.
BAd
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Feb 14, 2017 - 10:49am PT
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Man, Charlie D, that graph is sobering.
Praying for the best... It will be scary over the next week.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 15, 2017 - 08:25pm PT
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healyje....That's funny...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 15, 2017 - 08:44pm PT
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God, it really is looking like the Hammer of God.
You're not alone guys, NE Nevada, southern Idaho, NW Utah having problems as well.
If worst comes to worse I could put up some of you here. Can't use much water though since the rising ground water has my septic failing and in the narrow canyon we're in there is the ever present possibility of a flash flood of water, mud and boulders.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 16, 2017 - 08:33am PT
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Predicted storm for LA this weekend Feb 17 - 19 up to 2 inches in urban areas.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Feb 16, 2017 - 09:52am PT
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east central az ... snowload on horizontal limbsfull the extent of the wreckage would fill many frames
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:15am PT
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I found this interesting. My conclusion, as if it's not obvious, is that the problem is not the weather, it's the population growth.
Scott Stine, a professor of geography and environmental studies at Cal State East Bay, has spent decades studying tree stumps in Mono Lake, Tenaya Lake, the Walker River and other parts of the Sierra Nevada.
Excerpted from an article citing his work, published in the San Jose Mercury News in 2014:
Through studies of tree rings, sediment and other natural evidence, researchers have documented multiple droughts in California that lasted 10 or 20 years in a row during the past 1,000 years -- compared to the mere three-year duration of the current dry spell. The two most severe megadroughts make the Dust Bowl of the 1930s look tame: a 240-year-long drought that started in 850 and, 50 years after the conclusion of that one, another that stretched at least 180 years.
Looking back, the long-term record also shows some staggeringly wet periods. The decades between the two medieval megadroughts, for example, delivered years of above-normal rainfall -- the kind that would cause devastating floods today. But Stine, who has spent decades studying tree stumps in Mono Lake, Tenaya Lake, the Walker River and other parts of the Sierra Nevada, said that the past century has been among the wettest of the last 7,000 years.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:21am PT
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Studies on the Canadian prairies have found evidence of many long lasting droughts (up to 40 years???) that make the 1930's look like a picnic.
This is a factor we have to live with in the West but packing in millions of people in the desert does not really make sense unless the water supplies are there.
I have read elsewhere that the last 120 years have been unusually wet in the West. This means we colonized the West during one of the optimal periods in recent history.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:24am PT
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4" in the Sand Fire burn zone is going to be a mess
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Feb 16, 2017 - 11:57am PT
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Here is the outlook for Stoney Point.
Will Boulder 2 finally roll onto its side and fall into the creek?!
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jonnyrig
climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 02:46pm PT
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Well crap. I have Saturday free to climb, but probably no dry place for it. 1st world problem?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 16, 2017 - 02:58pm PT
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Keep yer powder dry, mates!
Yeah I know. I live right up at the base of the San Gabriels. Storms come in and park up against these mountains and drop their loads, so to speak.
California’s Record Rainfall for a 24-hour period was 26.12 inches occurring January 22-23, 1943, 18 miles north of Los Angeles City Hall in the San Gabriel Mountains).
I'm not in the drainage area, but a lot of people are. There are two dams here near the bottom of Monrovia Canyon, which has a very large drainage area above. The uphill dam is an old Mulholland style concrete arch dam about 100 ft. tall. A while back they cut the spillway down 20ft. because they didn't trust the dam to hold a full lake. If you look at it on Google earth you can see that the arch is distorted. Below this is a more modern earth and stone flood dam with a concrete spillway running into a concrete flood canal which runs into a system which channels water to the ocean. I've seen that channel nearly full in a heavy rain, but I think this coming rain could be another story altogether. Good to be on high ground (unless it slides off...)
Normally there's no water behind the upper dam. There's a pipe through the base which should pass water at the rate the lower dam and channel can handle. So if the volume of water coming down the canyon exceeds that amount the upper reservoir will begin to fill. Enough water coming over the spillway will overwhelm the lower catch basin and dam. Of course the upper dam hasn't been loaded in a very long time.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 16, 2017 - 02:59pm PT
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Jan, think of it this way, more rain predicted for Stoney Point on FRIDAY,
than received in an entire year two years ago.
Weather Underground has this on the website as of 3pm Thursday:
"An intense winter storm is expected to dump the heaviest rains in 10 to 20 years over Los Angeles and neighboring areas from late Thursday to early Saturday. Flash flooding and mudslides are expected."
edit:
wunderground.com
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Feb 16, 2017 - 03:12pm PT
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Watch out, this is for the Oroville water shed....holy cow: "recent forecasts show a high likelihood of greater than 10 inches of precipitation over the next 5 days, with parts of the basin expected to approach 15 inches over the next 7 days"
http://weatherwest.com/archives/5582
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 16, 2017 - 03:21pm PT
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Friday Night Party!
winter storm warning for the sierra from Sequoia to Yosemite
winds to 30mph, gusting to 45
10 - 20" of snow above 7,000'
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Feb 16, 2017 - 03:48pm PT
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I stopped serious kayaking after my back injury many years ago but I always lived for big storms like this to bring levels up on local creeks like Sespe, Piru, Big Tujunga and East and West Forks of the San Gabriel. I am planning on a Packraft trip down Sespe at some point this spring with Spidersavage if he gets his boat in time. Gotta take advantage of these events when you can, never know when it will happen again.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 16, 2017 - 03:52pm PT
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hey there, say...
just checking in... wondering how the storm stuff is doing?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 16, 2017 - 04:18pm PT
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I cleaned my gutters, let 'er rip!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Feb 16, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
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train cars came off the tracks?
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Feb 16, 2017 - 04:32pm PT
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I need new gutters on the house and a complete rework of the drainage conditions around the perimeter (upstream portions and sides) of my house and garage :-(
Lots of work to do as part of a major remodel....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 16, 2017 - 05:41pm PT
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Get that widow maker outta here!
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Feb 16, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
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^^^^^^
Buy that man on the tree a cerveza on me!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 16, 2017 - 05:49pm PT
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Boy, howdy! Este hombre is definitely out on a limb, como no?
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Feb 16, 2017 - 05:55pm PT
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 16, 2017 - 06:32pm PT
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I'm guessing it wa an entertaining climb up to where he's limbing.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:43pm PT
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Brett Maurer owns a roofing company.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2017 - 09:39am PT
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"Biggest storm in decades." So far barely a drizzle. What a bunch of clowns.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 17, 2017 - 09:46am PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2017 - 09:51am PT
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Geez, Mouse, you can't even see any clowns out of that window!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:45am PT
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The low off Pt Reyes isn't dropping south as expected so this just another false alarm,
at least as far as SoCal is concerned.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:48am PT
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Rained most of the night here in Tehachistan. Not heavy, but doing okay.
BAd
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:49am PT
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Give it time, I'll bet it really starts picking up this afternoon, at least I hope.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Feb 17, 2017 - 11:18am PT
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Started raining hard this morning as soon as I got out of the spa. How convenient for me! Blowing hard and pouring ever since. Supposed to get worse this afternoon but it is already so dark you would think it was 15 minutes before full dark.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Feb 17, 2017 - 12:58pm PT
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The Hammer of God looks more like a tooth with a cavity
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Feb 17, 2017 - 02:01pm PT
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its here
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Feb 17, 2017 - 02:56pm PT
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Hammer is hammering.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 17, 2017 - 03:21pm PT
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hey there, say, all... was helping my older friend today, and, well:
:O we nearly had spring, :O
hard to believe... and, our spring is most likely to not
be much of a warm spring, as it 'might be is' hinted to be...
(according to accue weather) ...
was very nice, ...
more cold to come, but not more than a few days in a row, and
off and on... we shall see...
some very 'low' lows, though, off and on...
pond is still froze, :(
but say, we are not bad...
my hopes for all you folks out there in calif, and
such as to any storm system folks...
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Feb 17, 2017 - 03:28pm PT
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Sespe Creek running at almost 16,000cfs right now. Piru running close to 5,000 cfs and both still climbing.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Feb 17, 2017 - 03:29pm PT
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Some of the heaviest, most sustained rain I've ever seen in the Tehachapis coming down right now. So glad I can hang at home and let it blow over. Stay safe out there to all who have to be in it. Freakin' crazy.
BAd
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 17, 2017 - 03:43pm PT
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They predicted rain today, and I chickened out and left the crags west of Moab when it looked threatening. But I don't think it's actually rained yet....
Plenty of snow in the LaSals just to the east though
But I think I may have robbed myself.
They're predicting rain all through the weekend. But I may head back out, at least to the fakes...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2017 - 05:01pm PT
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ONLY 2" BY 1700! I WANT MY MONEY BACK!
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Feb 17, 2017 - 05:20pm PT
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This is fairly legit, Sespe Creek now over 20,000 cfs.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 17, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
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If it averages 1 inch/hr 'till tomorrow afternoon it could break the standing CA record of 21 inches in 24 hrs., which was set right here in the San Gabriels...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 17, 2017 - 06:52pm PT
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 17, 2017 - 09:24pm PT
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Lost power at my house this afternoon, so I decided to do some errands and hit the DMV to be productive. On the way there I snapped this in Pasadena:
But overall, I never the "shock and awe" of a big storm so far. I assume it's hitting the mountains more. I did see the Arroyo Seco finally touch both sides of the concrete basin that very effectively keeps floods at bay.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 17, 2017 - 09:37pm PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2017 - 09:49pm PT
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4-1/8" by 2100 - decent but no hammer.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:08pm PT
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Up at Chantry Flats today watching my friend feed the Llamas, so far the remaining single lane remains intact as plastic covers the slide area..
picked up a backpacker hiking out, he had been in the san gabriels ten days and did not know the storm was coming until it arrived.
edit: Nut, when your car has a wake...
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:14pm PT
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Lost power this morning. Still out. We have the frig. running off of a generator to save the food. PG&E says 3,700 without power here from downed power lines. Typing this on my I-phone. We are doing better than some of the neighbors. Gonna be some pissed off people come morning:-(
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 18, 2017 - 07:56am PT
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hey there say, chaz...
thanks for sharing the link, and
thanks for sharing... :)
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Feb 18, 2017 - 09:48am PT
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The power is still out here but the cable is back on so we can use our laptops. We just dropped AT&T in favor of cable for phone and internet. Not to sure about hooking our desktops or TVs to a generator yet. This is the first time we have fired that little Honda generator up since the Death Valley trip in 2008 and it is working great! I took a drive to get more gas and check out the area. Some giant trees came down in the neighborhood and took the power lines to the ground with them. A real mess. I am guessing a couple more days of no power. Off and on showers right now with another round due tomorrow. We are ready for it now:-)
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 18, 2017 - 09:58am PT
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Chaz, it's the same in San Diego; definitely NOT the storm of the century. Thank goodness to some degree for us as our new roof was finished up at 8am yesterday morning. We were already cutting it close....
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Feb 18, 2017 - 02:05pm PT
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Our neighbor up in Bishop just texted me and said 70+ roofs have collapsed in Mammoth. Yikes.
BAd
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 18, 2017 - 02:09pm PT
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Went for a hike today. This creek is normally bone dry...
The Sierra Madre Crankloon PD thought it was unsafe to hike today...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 18, 2017 - 02:54pm PT
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Heck, Reilly, anybody could have put up yellow hazard tape and copied out some bogus trail closure order.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 18, 2017 - 03:52pm PT
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Reilly, you do realize it was raining when you ventured onto the dirt trail right?
It is careless people like you who cause emergency responders to put themselves in harms way.
You create a tax burden for us all, you are an enemy of America.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 18, 2017 - 04:03pm PT
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But, Mouse, that in itself would be a crime, n'est ce pas?
Nut, actually, it didn't start raining until we were a mile up the trail
so we just pretended we were back in Washington on a typical day there.
I figure the SMPD has it in for me cause I rebuffed the SM SAR's recruitment
efforts BITD. I told 'em I would join but I don't do practices and I don't
search. Actually, the SMPD had their knickers all bunched up today - they
wrote two tickets to people who parked without turning their wheels towards
the curb. How chicken sh!t is that? It made a little sense 30 years ago
when people drove sticks but how is an automatic gonna jump out of gear with
the engine off? CHICKEN SH!T CRANKLOONS!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 18, 2017 - 04:06pm PT
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What the f*#k is a presumably sane person from the PNW doing in a shithole like LA?
Just kidding...the PNW has it's issues too..." try the Rockies.
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missjr
Trad climber
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Feb 18, 2017 - 05:04pm PT
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I'm not sure Bad that theres a total of 70 roofs, however theres certainly are many homes in distress as well as new collapses occurring every week as the snow piles grow. Just today another complex was evacuated and 8 families had to leave their home. With no rentals on the market hardly, the Red Cross shelter is all they have at this point.
I've lived here a long time and haven't had to work so hard to keep my home intact from the damaging weight of snow. We have a few homes on my street that are red tagged and yellow tagged and just spotted another home today in the neighborhood that needs to be reported. Many homes are second homes and thus are not being shoveled due to owners not truly understanding or knowing the true situation here in Mammoth. Looking ahead, we have another 3-4ft coming at us Monday, after being dumped on again yesterday and last night. Spring and Summer could only come sooner, however flooding here will be the next hurdle to overcome.
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missjr
Trad climber
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Feb 18, 2017 - 05:06pm PT
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Also, I might add almost everyday there are new propane leaks occurring due to the excess weight on the lines....shoveling propane tanks, hydrants, etc is another chore, besides shoveling roofs since they aren't shedding since the snow is above the eaves at this point.
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John M
climber
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Feb 18, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
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How about posting some pictures of all the snow. I miss mammoth, but maybe not that much snow. hahaha.. The last time I skied there the condo we were staying in had snow above the second floor.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 18, 2017 - 05:11pm PT
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hey there say, missjr... oh my!
as to this:
. Looking ahead, we have another 3-4ft coming at us Monday, after being dumped on again yesterday and last night. Spring and Summer could only come sooner, however flooding here will be the next hurdle to overcome.
whewww... worse yet?--the propane tank thing, sounds awful :O
hopes and prayers for all concerned...
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missjr
Trad climber
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Feb 18, 2017 - 05:26pm PT
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[photoid=490448]
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missjr
Trad climber
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Feb 18, 2017 - 05:29pm PT
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[photoid=490450]
Heres a couple more photos of the homestead about a month ago. It has since snowed a lot more. Basically we are buried.
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missjr
Trad climber
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Feb 18, 2017 - 05:33pm PT
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Only other comment is that we have had a reported 470inches fallen up to now. The base at the top is at 350 inches, after settling/wind/etc. We have had higher snow totals in the past, as recent as 2010-2011. However, this winter is different in that we are far ahead of all years past of their total snow amounts in the month of February.
The snow hasn't let up really and therefore the snowpack hasn't had much of a chance to "settle." Previous winters would have a big dump and then it would be sunny for a couple weeks. We haven't had much more than a four day window in between storms, Therefore, we have literally run out of room for snow storage and it is being trucked out.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 18, 2017 - 06:22pm PT
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some places in LA measured 4 inches yesterday, and a few 5"
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 18, 2017 - 10:01pm PT
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I-5 & CA 20 in Williams, Colusa County CA today
Storms Sunday, Monday will make flooding even worse.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Feb 18, 2017 - 10:35pm PT
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Well at least you have a great opportunity for mountaineering training out your front door, missjr. Ski for 6-8 hours. Shovel 3-5. Repeat.
Snow past my eaves here for a while now too. We got 70" this last week. We had an inch or two of rain midweek that created some un-shovel able conditions. Finally broke down and had a buddy swing by with his loader to d ouche out around the house. Casualties during snow removal this year are 2 pvc shovels, multiple welding reinforcements to the Xxl push scoop, one broken window (cornice fall from roof rolling back towards house) and 3 bottles of ibuprofen.
It's nice to have a real winter.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 19, 2017 - 07:53am PT
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I'm hoping all this shoveling will help with my climbing somehow!
There's always a silver lining to any cloud.
The prodigious shoveling I put in during an otherwise misspent yute in Chicago made me
the peerless snow cave digger I became during my misspent years in Seattle.
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DM88T
climber
Dave Tully SanDimas,California
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Feb 19, 2017 - 09:12am PT
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see Echo Ridge in both images
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 19, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
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High risk of flooding in Northern California as waterways reach their limits
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-flood-risk-20170219-story.html
On Sunday, the weather service warned that the San Joaquin River at Vernalis “has reached danger stage. Greater risk for levee problems.” Sandbagging operations were underway there as the storm approached.
Officials also said several other waterways were at major risk of flooding including the Yolo Bypass, Clear Lake, and the Sacramento, Cosumnes, Mokelumne, Merced and Tuolumne rivers.
On Saturday, water stood a foot high in Maxwell, a small rural town in Northern California’s Colusa County. Crews had to evacuate 100 people, some by boat, about 2 a.m. because of flooding.
Maxwell is about 50 miles from Oroville, which for the last week has been the scene of a national drama and an ongoing discussion on supertopo and the mule died several days ago on that one.
:0)
Area just north of Maxwell west of I-5.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 20, 2017 - 03:36pm PT
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hey there say...
how are folks in northfork...
just saw this, it is 2 hours old:
NORTH FORK — Once again, residents of the low-lying areas of North Fork are being told to be prepared to evacuate if conditions warrant.
There has been an increased discharge of water from Bass Lake. With this information, the Sheriff’s Office is issuing a Pre-Evacuation Advisory for the following areas:
FROM MADERA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
FACEBOOK PAGE:
Madera County Sheriff's Office
2 hrs ·
There has been an increased discharge of water from Bass Lake. With this information, the Sheriff’s Office is issuing a Pre-Evacuation Advisory for the following areas:
-Road 222 between Railroad Grade Road and Road 200
-Road 226 between Keller Road and Road 222
-Manzanita Lake Drive
-Old Central Camp Road between Road 222 and ½ of a mile west of Road 274
-Road 225 between Road 222 and Road 274
-Road 228
-Wah-up Way
-Kunigib Way
-Amber Lane
-Weatherly Lane
-Willow Creek Drive
-Church Street
Please be aware of rising water levels and evaluate your conditions. If you feel the need to evacuate, please do so. Residents in these area should be prepared to immediately evacuate at a moments notice should conditions deteriorate. Please have personal affects packed and be ready for the evacuation order.
http://sierranewsonline.com/pre-evacuation-advisory-issued-for-areas-of-north-fork/
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 20, 2017 - 05:11pm PT
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Raining grasshoppers on the eastside...Need some gulls...
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jonnyrig
climber
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Feb 20, 2017 - 05:16pm PT
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Not to worry. The gulls will migrate away from the landfill to the newly refreshed ancient Lahontan as the water accumulates.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Feb 20, 2017 - 09:27pm PT
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Well that's a weird pattern in the midwest. It's like God got on board with this recycling thing and he's sending the atmospheric river back up the Mississippi.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Feb 20, 2017 - 11:37pm PT
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Levee breach near Manteca. All farmland, but a breach nontheless.
It was pouring and blowing hard here a few minutes ago. Dog won't go outside.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Feb 21, 2017 - 07:14am PT
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Well that's a weird pattern in the midwest. It's like God got on board with this recycling thing and he's sending the atmospheric river back up the Mississippi.
It's called an enema - people in the South do it all the time.
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Burnin' Oil
Trad climber
CA
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Feb 21, 2017 - 08:05am PT
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The 'headwaters" of Bear Creek yesterday (2-20) a few miles from the Mariposa airport.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 21, 2017 - 11:16am PT
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hey there, say...
might be a few days old, can't find the new link...
they said it happened sat. morning... ???
and we are on tue, now...
:(
HOWEVER... this is all morgan hill, etc, area...
stuff going on at coyote creek...
guadalupe creek...
lexington...
vasona... ???
lots of other etc, for ANY OF YOU, that know these areas...
VERY INTERESTING-- THOUGH SOME DANGEROUS INFO HERE:
as to what it can hold, and how 'earthquake safe' it is,
as to pressures...
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Swollen-Anderson-Reservoir-Spills-Over-For-First-Time-in-11-Years-414161393.html
lots of low spots, etc, to worry about...
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Feb 21, 2017 - 01:06pm PT
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last year it took a great cast to reach the water, now a good one might reach the shore
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Feb 21, 2017 - 03:07pm PT
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Hwy 50 is gone near Lover's Leap.
I just missed being in a 20' avalanche across Mt. Rose Highway last night.
It's a good thing that the rainy season is almost over ........in 100 more days.
The cards are stacked
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Feb 21, 2017 - 03:55pm PT
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My bad. Sorry. I misread this picture.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2017 - 03:57pm PT
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It's gone .....
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 21, 2017 - 05:27pm PT
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hey there, say, flip flop... wow, i heard about that avalanche on the road, from a friend, :O
glad you are okay... whewww...
moosedrool, awwww, that is such a nice sweet photo...
thanks for sharing...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 22, 2017 - 04:36am PT
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http://abc30.com/weather/highway-41-closed-near-yosemite-national-park-entrance/1765815/
Highway 41 CLOSED!!!!
Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:06AM
OAKHURST, California (KFSN) -- On the way up to Yosemite, there are several signs in Oakhurst warning drivers that highway 41 from Fish Camp to the national park is closed.
It is all because of a shoulder on the road that started washing out two weeks ago. Constant steady made the conditions worse, causing the hole in the roadway Tuesday to grow in width by five feet.
"At that point our engineers, our safety staff, we decided to fully close the roadway in both directions to all traffic," said Cory Burkarth, Caltrans.
Frustrating...."We saw the sign...but we were thinking it would get better...but then we had to turn around."
[Stupid German tourists]
The emergency repair work is going to cost at least a million dollars and will take a couple weeks to fix.
OBVIOUS ALTERNATE ROUTE:
Folks heading up to Yosemite from Fresno will have to take Highway 41 to Oakhurst, then Highway 49 to Highway 140 in Mariposa.
(I'd say this would increase the driving time by about less than an hour, give or take, but you may drive faster, risking some poor bear's life. Just chill out and stop in Mariposa for some espresso.)
Also, evacuation orders expanded last night for residents near Coyote Creek in San Jose.
The floods is threat'ning
My very life today
Gimme, gimme shelter
Or I'm gonna fade away
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 22, 2017 - 05:08am PT
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 23, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
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hey there say, ... mouse and DMT..
thanks for the photo update...
say, folks:
how are things going, now, as of the 23rd?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 23, 2017 - 06:28pm PT
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 23, 2017 - 06:39pm PT
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WHEN IS IT GONNA STOOOOP !!!!!!!
LOL .....
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John M
climber
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Feb 24, 2017 - 09:42pm PT
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41 is closed just outside the south entrance between Wawona and Fish camp.
Edit: This is a long term closure. At least weeks.
120 is closed between crane flat and the foresta entrance. I don't know anything about this one except the road is damaged.
Whats going on up there people? Can't y'all keep your roads open? :-) What a winter..
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 26, 2017 - 09:53pm PT
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hey there say, jody... wow, thanks!
say, someone shared this on another forum, memory spot for san jose:
mike o's, from san jose memory forum:
and robert p's
sooooo GREEN!
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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yer gunna die
die I say.die.burid in rain.
as in dead.
e9wtf?__
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Brennan, show some compassion, we suffer through a constant winter of our discontent.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Said some guy who used to live in Seattle............
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tornado
climber
lawrence kansas
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Wow, somewhat.
Really, you Californians need to get a passport out of your sense of reality.
Its frozen or flooding in all points around the rest of the world you guys dispute, exists.
The other 95 % of the planet endures Winter, seasonally. Every time the moon and Sun are distant from the Earth.
Oh my God, The Hammer of God gives a sh#t about you personally, because of some sentimental exception based on nothing.
The flooding and mudslides in California are natural disasters that have taken people's homes and sometimes lives.
Would you make the same remarks about victims of tsunamis, earthquakes, or hurricanes?
Show a little respect and compassion, prick.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there, say, DMT... thanks for the update with the doppler...
happy good eve, to all...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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California's always been train wreck - gold rush - earthquake - mudslide - drought - I.P.O. jackpot
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WBraun
climber
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Hammer of God (winter storm 2017) returns today.
I-80 closed, because Cali pussies can't drive unless the sun is shining :-)
It's dumping sh!t cakes again .....
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doughnutnational
Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
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Steady rain and moderate winds in the foothills near Fresno.
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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[photo[photo[photoid=492357]id=492356]id=492355]
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WBraun
climber
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Full on blizzard still here ......
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Y'all need all the moisture you can get. Shucks....it might be damp enough to bring back the Glacier Point Firefall.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Full on blizzard still here ......
Coincidentally taken yesterday 4 minutes after Werner's post:
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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*
The Beauty of the God's winter storm..
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Cool photos, Chainsaw!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 20, 2017 - 04:37pm PT
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Tad... our weather man up north.
still dry at Stoney as of 4:30... it cooled off a bunch today from the HOT day that was yesterday.... the climbing was great, warm-- in the shade-- cranking.
Bring it-- another 2 inches would be grand.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Mar 20, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
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Length or girth?
Hehehehe
Notamoose.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 20, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
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Bull moose get greedy...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 21, 2017 - 03:54pm PT
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Moose.... if you need it, heck, I'll loan you 7-9 inches. :>)
3:51 pm.... steady today starting around 6am in Moorpark.... The flood control channel- behind work-- is now bank to bank and maybe 1/2 foot deep... starts up quickly now that the ground is soaked.
Is that Dam Dam going to over-flow???
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 21, 2017 - 04:00pm PT
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DMT.... We are in a full on STORM WATCH......
Details at 11
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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^ And possibly another storm just in time for closing weekend at Kirkwood.
So much for spring conditions at the resort this year. Only more snow and powder! Hopefully we'll be skiing the bc through June.
https://opensnow.com/dailysnow/tahoe/post/8493
Next Wednesday night through Friday another cold storm may bring additional snowfall. It could come in feet again on the mountains. The pattern could remain active through April.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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An acquaintance in Mammoth says they have received a foot of new snow, in town.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Dumping rain like crazy right now in Bishop--crazy rain for this desert town. 51 deg. F. Amazing.
BAd
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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It is raining now, again.
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10b4me
Social climber
Janie's
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Is the Oroville Spillway gunna hold? Oh the humanity.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Huh, we have some weather down here in SoCal.
I didn't think to check.
Normally it's just pure blue skies,
but there are some white things in the sky around the horizons right now.
Odd.
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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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oh nut it's coming! I heard about evacuees notices for all around Barbara and the coast-goleta, carpinteria etc. Mudslides Baby!!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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It didn’t hit here, as advertised, but it did Ireland and Britain...
(All photos shamelessly heisted from Reuters)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 21, 2018 - 09:10am PT
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this one should pack a wallop.
It’s already fizzled in comparison to the hype from days ago.
Do weathermen have to attend the Institute For Sales of Previously Owned Vehicles?
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 21, 2018 - 09:13am PT
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The main heavy rains are supposed to come wed night thru thursday?
But then again who knows what the weather ultimately decides to do .....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 21, 2018 - 09:28am PT
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People are dying in tornados down south and we’re obsessing about some rain?
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John M
climber
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Mar 21, 2018 - 09:47am PT
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21 people died in the montecito mudslide. Major Highways were closed for weeks and some for months. Some of us have friends who live in the area. I use to work in Montecito and Ventura and lived in Fillmore and am familiar with Ventura. So yes.. this one interests me.
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Plus, some of us just like storms. I was in Yosemite during the flood of 97. Full on hairball. And yep... the news often goes a bit haywire and overblown.
Then add in the fact that I am hoping California gets enough moisture to keep the drought at bay and keep more trees from dying. I lived in Wawona for 25 years. I love that place.
On a final note. We are expecting .01 inches of rain here in the desert. Woot !!! I sandbagged my house to prepare for it.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 21, 2018 - 10:24am PT
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Yeah, the next 48 hours could see some serious mass wasting from the burns.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 22, 2018 - 04:32pm PT
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The atmospheric river dumped .29" here in east Redlands over the past 24 hours.
It was advertised as the wettest storm of the season, but it didn't come close.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 22, 2018 - 04:38pm PT
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Rained 3.5 inches so far here and still pounding.
The Merced river rose 6 feet
I think the Russians were meddling in this storm.
I'm calling Mueller to let him know ......
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 22, 2018 - 04:53pm PT
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Quite a lot of flooding in Tuolumne county, according to my sister.
Flash flood warnings in effect.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 22, 2018 - 05:08pm PT
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Another crying wolf forecast. We got no more than 1/3 of what they ‘warned’ us was coming.
Ooo! I got the money post!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 22, 2018 - 05:09pm PT
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What was the forecast there in Dallas? Close to what actually occurred? Or not so much?
We were forecasted to get 2" - 5" of rain on the coast, and 5" - 10" in the foothill *burn areas*. L.A. TV News last night reported nothing else, as if the rest of the world stood still.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 22, 2018 - 08:35pm PT
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It was a crazy weather day in Tuolumne, according to Mathis.
He had to be out and about with Denny, his GF, and they had a long, long wait at Hwy 120 to get into Groveland. Alternate routes, like Wards Ferry, were closed because of high water as well. The CHP said there was some fear that the dam at Rattlesnake was going to fail (fish hatchery, power station).
So they waited it out and when they got near Groveland, Ferretti Road was closed by flooding, which meant they had to go into Groveland and drive out to Denny's place through Pine Mtn. Lake.
Mathis said that a tree had fallen at his place, taking out his telephone. (He's staying with Denny tonight rather than driving back home. Smart move.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Mar 22, 2018 - 08:44pm PT
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Poured like crazy here in Bishop today--almost an inch! That's a tonne for this desert, rain-shadowed town. Rain's over now, frogs croaking. The mountains should be amazing when it clears.
BAd
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 22, 2018 - 09:30pm PT
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hey there, say, mouse... my brother matt ran into a few 'stalls' waiting,
near the roads/hwy, there... when he was near/in groveland, too...
said it was really flooded through there, but, not ruined...
wow, werner, at to this quote:
The Merced river rose 6 feet :O
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psykokid
Mountain climber
Pasadena
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Mar 23, 2018 - 10:21am PT
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I was supposed to drive up to my dad's place up near Groveland today from LA. Pretty much all of the major roads leading up that way are closed. I think this is the first real big soaker they've had in that neck of the woods since the Detwiler Fire last year. From looking at the Caltrans Quickmap it looks like 120, 49 and 132 are closed, which pretty much cut me off from heading up there since I go through Coulterville on my way up. I could have driven through the park but that would have added a lot of extra time so I'm just going to head up next weekend and hopefully they'll have the roads cleared by then.
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sangoma
Trad climber
south africa
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Mar 23, 2018 - 10:46am PT
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And here at the Southern tip of the dark continent we are parched.....send some this way I need to have a bath please
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Beware Yosemite weekend warriors:
http://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-yosemite-weekend-storm-alert-20180406-story.html
Yosemite Valley lodgings, campgrounds and roads will close 5 p.m. Friday ahead of a heavy storm forecast for the area that could cause flooding. Overnight and day visitors will have to leave the valley at that time.
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The Merced River could rise as high as 15.8 feet in Yosemite Valley, Brian Ochs, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Hanford, told the Fresno Bee on Wednesday. At 12.5 feet, the flooding would affect roads and low lying meadows in the park.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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One should not be dismissive of Mother Nature , Mueller , or the Duck Dynasty...
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Feb 13, 2019 - 08:16am PT
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interesting that this is supposedly a warmer storm, but I hear that it is snowing in the Owens Valley.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 13, 2019 - 08:26am PT
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A Jim Brennan self portrait snow sculpture .....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 13, 2019 - 08:55am PT
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And a Squarehead to boot!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 13, 2019 - 12:08pm PT
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All that moisture is coming from the west, with a low pressure system from the north (with cold air) is pushing it down from the north.
Thus, rain in So Cal...snow in the central/northern Sierra...
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 13, 2019 - 12:42pm PT
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There's even new snow here. The central Idaho mountains are getting a hellava dump. Sun Valley, which is not noted for getting a lot of snow, just recorded 29" in 24 hours on its main ski mountain. It's been dumping for a week & no end is in sight.
Choss Creek snow today. Very happy to only have a few inches, with afternoon rain forecast.
Oh and! Enjoy the moisture, you'll be glad it happened, come next summer.
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Oldfattradguy2
Trad climber
Here and there
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Feb 13, 2019 - 01:39pm PT
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6” fence in McCall, might get rain tomorrow. Not much more than a foot or two left. Dogs walking over fences and escaping all over the place.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Feb 13, 2019 - 02:46pm PT
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PG&E hopes to have power fixed by this evening at our house in Bella Vista.
Hopefully they don't burn it down.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 13, 2019 - 03:35pm PT
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Tad, hope yer cams are safe!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 13, 2019 - 04:08pm PT
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Biggest snow dump in 70 years in the Seattle area. Which shouldn't have been a problem, given that we were up in our new place in Powell River, but...
...but we had to get back to Seattle to pick up one final load, and with massive snowfalls everywhere from PR to Seattle, we decided to stay put. So we postponed the trip for a few days, and everything was fine.
And, of course, "massive snow storm in Seattle" is about equal to a normal winter day in a lot of places. I haven't checked the final reports, but I think it was something between 10 and 15 inches over three days. And then the temps go back to winter normal (i.e. well above freezing) and the sun and/or rain gets rid of the snow.
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john hansen
climber
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Feb 14, 2019 - 10:08pm PT
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The more rain California can get the better. Riley said something about 17 inches so far this month. Let it rain. Rain is life.
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john hansen
climber
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Feb 14, 2019 - 10:29pm PT
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I remember me and my friend driving around in 86 when the Auburn coffer dam was overwhelmed . We watched from the lookout as the 400 ft dam washed away
in about 45 minutes.
We drove down to Rattlesnake Bar and the lake was sloshing around and covering the islands that had been dry.
I also have always enjoyed inclement weather..
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John M
climber
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Feb 15, 2019 - 07:09am PT
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That was fast. Living in Wawona in southern Yosemite for 25 years, power outages were common and often lasted for many days. 11 days was the longest that it was out in my time there. 4 or 5 days was common.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 15, 2019 - 11:54am PT
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The niece in Portland just reported on the widespread panic when the Beanie People thought Portland was gonna get snowed in. There was a yuge run on kale! Peaceniks were fighting over it!
Just as long as Voodoo didn’t run out of flour and grease.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Feb 16, 2019 - 09:37am PT
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the road closures are making it difficult to access our local mountains(San Gabriels).
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 16, 2019 - 09:46am PT
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Does Caltrans need to do some environmental impact studies before they can plow?
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Feb 16, 2019 - 10:05am PT
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So what qualifies as snow tires per Caltrans? Would BFG AT/KOs? They have the Canadian snowflake snow rating.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 16, 2019 - 10:15am PT
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CHP don’t care about no stinkin snow tires! They wanna see metal!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 16, 2019 - 10:20am PT
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The whole state is BEING WASHED AWAY.
apocalptic
and very catastrophic
glad we're not tropic
then things might be BAD
hey there, I'm sayin'
why aren't you out and playin'
you shouldn't stay in
when you could go out and FREEZE
--Flaccid1
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Feb 16, 2019 - 10:25am PT
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We have no snow on the ground north of Boulder here in Colorado. A chinook wind from California melted it all away ??
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 16, 2019 - 04:36pm PT
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 16, 2019 - 04:37pm PT
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Nah, Jan, you are just getting the Pineapple Express leftovers...
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Feb 16, 2019 - 05:55pm PT
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Karen's place looks like a bit of heaven.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 16, 2019 - 06:36pm PT
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MAKE THIS SH!T STOP !!!!!!!!!!!
There's no more room to put this sh!t ..... lol
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Feb 16, 2019 - 07:07pm PT
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MAKE THIS SH!T STOP !!!!!!!!!!!
There's no more room to put this sh!t ..... lol
That's only half funny. We've got piles of snow, in the places I snow-blow to, that are eight feet high with the gorgeous white crap. We are running out of room....
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 16, 2019 - 07:13pm PT
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hey there saym mtyoung... wow...
thanks for sharing...
i have to go back to read the other post, too...
but-- here, we are a COLDER but drier, winter...
than usual... so they say... (i am not born here, so still learning, here)
we were on the 'border' of that prediction, and it has held true...
so not dealing with all that SNOW...
(say, jan-- you many have been in a 'border' line, too, as to how
the winter was affecting folks? not sure... i did read that some
areas were going to 'very different' winters... due to the
lowering of the 'cold wave' etc, that moves through, in winter)
wrong way to explain, it-- but you all know what i mean... i think...
FEW YEARS, BACK, THOUGH ... wow, we did, but it stopped in time,
before it got 'no way to deal with it'....
but-- i have been trying to keep up, on the all the calif and nevada snow and rain news...
thanks again... :)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 16, 2019 - 07:17pm PT
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hey there say, mouse...
thanks for the mt hamilton pic...
wow, guys... i read more of the post...
thanks again...
ps:
man oh man, timid... what road sign, :O
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 16, 2019 - 09:14pm PT
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Stoopud America.
Tuolumne style.
Phoenix Lake Rd application.
Dear people going up (yes up) Phoenix Lake Rd--
When the CHP tells you to turn around and go back down the road that does not mean wait 15 minutes then try to go up backwards.
My husband and I were shoveling some snow off our driveway and this guy came
back around driving backwards up Phoenix Lake Rd.
Beware as well people are trying to put chains on in our driveway! and in k honesty if you are putting chains on in our driveway and letting
your children run around on our property it’s a little too late.
Put the chains on before Phoenix Lake Rd or don’t come up up all.
#JumpBackJacquie #SnowDog
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Feb 16, 2019 - 11:37pm PT
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Traffic in S Lake Tahoe has been a complete sh*t show from all the people coming up Hwy 50, or at least trying to come up in the storm. CHP has some rather amazing posts on their FB site:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2358629117703944&id=1464321477134717&sfnsn=mo
CHP – Placerville
*Current conditions as of 11:30 PM 2/15/19*
STOP DRIVING UP HERE FROM OUT OF AREA.
We cannot handle the amount of vehicles that keep coming up and getting stuck here. There are no alternate routes.
Expect 6-8 hour delays.
US-50 is being closed intermittently for avalanche control.
Exits in Pollock Pines are being shut down for everyone except residents.
Just please stop coming up here. The situation is too much for the area to handle and there is nowhere for you to go.
I-80 is open. Go that way!
We have every available officer up there and have even held over the previous shift.
Hoping our media partners can help spread the word.
CHP – Placerville
*MORNING UPDATE 2/16/19 at 0955*
US-50 is already backing up. Motorists just don’t want to heed our warnings.
Chain control from Point View to Meyers.
Expect an 8-10 hour trip to South Lake Tahoe, if you are lucky. Snow will continue to fall and CalTrans will continue to hold traffic intermittently for avalanche control. THEY HAVE TO DO THIS TO KEEP YOU ALIVE!
We have been keeping our officers pretty much on double shifts keeping everyone available out there. We have been doing this since yesterday, even if you may not have seen us. We are seeing a situation where our roads cannot handle this amount of traffic in these conditions. Rather than direct traffic in many cases we are having to go rescue people who have put themselves in bad situations by being unprepared. Thank you to CalTrans, EDSO, Fire and all other agencies out there helping to mitigate the issues.
Want to know why it is backing up? Too many people are showing up to chain control completely unprepared. YOU CAN’T BUY CHAINS FROM CALTRANS. Your chains also do no good on the non-drive axle. Locations to buy chains are sparse once you get on the hill.
You have a large snowstorm over several days, add in chain control, intermittent closures for avalanche control, thousands of unprepared motorists, a 3 day weekend, and you get traffic backed up.
THERE ARE NO ALTERNATE ROUTES ON BACK ROADS IF YOU ARE ON 50. STOP TRYING TO FOLLOW GPS OFF OF 50.
I-80 is open and is designed to handle more vehicles.
To repeat what we have said all week, if you don’t absolutely have to go, then don’t. STAY HOME PLEASE
We will try to keep you updated best we can.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 17, 2019 - 01:06am PT
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I liked (but couldn't really "like" it) that Maureen McGuire posted there on that link about owners of vacation homes not being locals but vacationers,so they should stay the hell home.
You tell 'em, Lady Pink!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2019 - 08:07am PT
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Now it’s getting serious - the Pebble Beach Lone Cypress has lost one of its major limbs!
How much more of this can Cali take?
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Feb 17, 2019 - 08:08am PT
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Nice photos, Dingus. I could post some photos from this weekend too, but they'd all be just a bunch of white. We sure as HELL aren't driving anywhere from here.
I'm not sure if you saw that Highway 108 was closed yesterday from Twain Harte up to the normal winter-time closure point?
We got another eight inches overnight.
Oh well, we've got plenty of food, we're good on firewood, plenty of snow-blower fuel, and oh, by the way, this black liquid in my mug is nice and hot.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 17, 2019 - 08:12am PT
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Just fcuking epic.
I'm getting into the loader any minute now to push this sh!t around some more.
Got one pile over 20 feet high.
MAKE IT STOP !!!!!
LOL ......
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Feb 17, 2019 - 08:24am PT
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How much more of this can Cali take? This here is a national emergency. Send in the troops.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Feb 17, 2019 - 08:25am PT
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^^^
I know you know what you're doing Dingus, but be careful with all this high water.
Our local new web-site posted a brief story about a guy who was driving near Chinese Camp and ignored a "Road Closed" sign.
I don't know how to capture their photos, but here's a link to a short news story. The three photos say it all though:
https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/578889/driver-learns-the-hard-way.html
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Feb 17, 2019 - 09:18am PT
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Back in the 60s I hiked up the Sutter Buttes on a crystalline winter day. Could see from Mt Diablo to Mt Shasta. The Sacramento Valley flood control system was easily visible.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2019 - 10:01am PT
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Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to California?
Rick: My health, I came to California for the waters.
Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
Rick: I was misinformed.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Feb 17, 2019 - 01:49pm PT
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CHP in Placerville says:
Just please stop coming up here [hwy 50]. The situation is too much for the area to handle and there is nowhere for you to go.
I-80 is open. Go that way!
.....
I-80 is open and is designed to handle more vehicles.
Sorry, incorrect info from the "experts".
Hwy 80 is at a crawl.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Feb 17, 2019 - 02:49pm PT
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Mungeclimber is calling it "Februburied."
We're certainly getting there:
And we're running out of places to pile it:
Of course they think snow-blowing is all a game:
Sunshine is supposed to be coming tomorrow. Maybe I'll shovel some more snow, but this time with shorts on?
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 17, 2019 - 05:11pm PT
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You barely have anything.
You need 10 more feet :-)
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Feb 17, 2019 - 05:18pm PT
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^^^
Hey! I also don't have a drivable snow-removing machine. We've got it tough here too ;)
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 17, 2019 - 05:38pm PT
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That's pretty impressive, for only 4000 ft. elevation.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 17, 2019 - 08:38pm PT
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what's the likely situation in the Valley tomorrow?
any chance of a successful day trip?
anyplace to park?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 18, 2019 - 08:31am PT
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This is why I love bureaucrats:
“Since Feb 1 California has received roughly 18 trillion gallons of water, enough to fill 45% of Lake Tahoe or 27 million Olympic-size swimming pools, the National Weather Service said.
A third of the state (36%) was considered to be in normal conditions and more than half (52%) was considered only abnormally dry as of Thursday.” - LA Times
First, don’t they even look out the window?
Second, why can’t they just say 36% and 52%?
Third, only 45% of Lk Tahoe?
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Chaz
Trad climber
Straight Outta Crafton
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Feb 18, 2019 - 09:31am PT
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Over two million gallons of water fell on my yard since September. Good thing it didn't all fall at once.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 18, 2019 - 11:04am PT
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 18, 2019 - 10:57pm PT
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I found parking... had to walk a bit... my plan to get on top of Manure Pile was thwarted by snow and ice on the 3rd class scramble from the gully (went up to the notch and didn't find a passable way).
So I joined the crowds and shot the Fire Fall...
There was a bit of snow in the Valley
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 18, 2019 - 11:08pm PT
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Tahquitz looked scrappy today...
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Feb 28, 2019 - 08:25am PT
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We were in Stanley one January and it was 28 below... Nice and sunny, though.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 28, 2019 - 08:34am PT
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When I was working on the north shore of lake superior in January and it was minus 60 with wind chill many days ....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 28, 2019 - 08:35am PT
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I need to find my photo of Stanley’s classic Waldorf Hysteria.
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