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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Nice Thread, great comments.....need to wrap my brain around it to comment.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Try to always live in the present...not easy, not by a long shot.
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jstan
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2016 - 07:16pm PT
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I have one thing to say to those who think memory is a very dark mirror.
Poppycock!
I was hanging out around the MITOC climbers because they seemed very interesting. One day Willie Crowther looked up from his noontime game of GO and said, "Anyone want to do a 5.8?" This was decades before Eddie Murphy jumped up and down in Shrek 1 saying, " Me! Take me!" when Shrek proposed to take on the dragon. That's precisely what I did in response to Willie's question."Me! Take me!" It proved to be a great chase for the rest of that first summer. I led MF and Retribution before snow began to fly.
As for living in the present, there is no alternative. Today the Clean Team held a special work session to clean the weeds off Turtle Island in downtown JT. My goal was to start trucking all the bags to Landers before 3PM. The landfill locks the gate at 4:30 PM.
Made it with 30 minutes to spare!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Released into general population, Idaho
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JGill - I do believe you are thinking of Ralph Metcalf, who was a teammate of Jesse Owens and an Olympian in 1932 as well as 1936. Democratic congressman in Illinois until the 1970s.
And let us not forget the fine buildering problems on the outbuildings in Jackson Park that, I believe, were first graced by your hands. These grippy problems had some reknown among UofC students who knew a thing or two about the history of climbing, in case you did not know.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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What do you know? I always thought that song lyric was, "Same as it never was."
Anyway, got the pink route today, after quite a chase, so am happy.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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TC, you must be right. Metcalf was a character in the movie also. I'm fairly certain it was Jesse Owens who was standing on the corner, for a big to-do was being made about it. He was campaigning for his buddy. Thanks!
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jstan
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2016 - 11:54am PT
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Rgold:Much is not the way it was, and that surely includes me, but that little hold hasn't changed a bit
This was one of the things about pin damage that I found most compelling in the late 60's. Ed may be right now when he says the migration away from pins was probably inevitable. It did not feel that way at the time. The usual expressions on "reduced freedom' were common. Above all else I thought it would be tragic if pins were rejected but only after destruction of the area had gone to completion. Urgency. Urgency. Urgency.
There was another factor, to my way of thinking. Dan Smiley and the Trust had been wonderful hosts to us for decades. Had I decided to say to Dan, "I have enjoyed myself wonderfully, but now that you have a problem, I am outta here."
If we all had just gone, each of us would have had to grow beards. We would not again have been able to look into a mirror.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Dec 16, 2016 - 02:40pm PT
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...in the iced canyons of upstate NY parks Ha! Too funny! A friend and I went sneaking into Watkins Glen in upstate New York during the winter of 1999, without any ice gear at all. Utterly terrifying experience, trying to traverse the trails but not to slide and bounce down into the icy creek below.
Maybe I'll try to dig up some of my own photos from that trip.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Dec 16, 2016 - 02:56pm PT
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This was one of the things about pin damage that I found most compelling in the late 60's. Ed may be right now when he says the migration away from pins was probably inevitable. It did not feel that way at the time. The usual expressions on "reduced freedom' were common. Above all else I thought it would be tragic if pins were rejected but only after destruction of the area had gone to completion. Urgency. Urgency. Urgency.
There was another factor, to my way of thinking. Dan Smiley and the Trust had been wonderful hosts to us for decades. Had I decided to say to Dan, "I have enjoyed myself wonderfully, but now that you have a problem, I am outta here."
I know I keep saying it, but however inevitable the transition to nuts may seem now, one of the main reasons it happened was because Stannard was a visionary who was prepared to advocate, at his own expense, for the outcomes he foresaw as saving the climbing environment.
And so it has transpired that John has been granted beardlessness, with all the rights and privileges pertaining to it. Many of the rest of us, who followed in his footsteps but did not lead, seem to have acquired beards, perhaps because our reflections are in need of a little softening.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Dec 16, 2016 - 03:56pm PT
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Donini says:
Try to always live in the present...not easy, not by a long shot.
Isn't the present constituted by your current feelings and what is currently going on in your mind? If you are thinking of something in the past isn't that what is presently in your mind and makes the present for you? It seems everyone is living in the present. It is that some just choose to dwell within on whatever and others have a list of sort of to do's that they sometimes act on.
It seems awareness [which is in always in the present?] is knowing what you are thinking/feeling about right now.
We weave the present out of the here and now of feelings mixed with all we bring mentally [past memories, unsolved problems, thought of the future etc ] to that moment of nowness. The thisness and suchness of everything?
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Dec 16, 2016 - 04:17pm PT
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It's not the liar's paradox, it's figurative language, Dingus. Some people tend to spend the present dwelling on what they did in the past and others are more concerned about doing something right now. Donini is recommending the second option.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Dec 16, 2016 - 04:46pm PT
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those that spend the present dwelling on what they did in the past
are also
doing something right now.
and doing such constitutes interacting with the present.
I think Donini has some other idea about, try to always live in the present ...
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Dec 16, 2016 - 04:50pm PT
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It seems awareness [which is in always in the present?] is knowing what you are thinking/feeling about right now.
Due to the lag of our neural processing network, our awareness of the present would actually be in the past relative to a given event. But what’s a few nanosecond(s) between friends.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Dec 16, 2016 - 05:00pm PT
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wyorockman,
Could we all go to Grover's Corners and have empathy for Emily in the last scene?
I think Donini has some other idea about, try to always live in the present ...
But in the closing act the stage manager shouts,"NO"
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 16, 2016 - 05:11pm PT
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At age 68, I'm enjoying living in the present, just fine. Life is darn good!
However, the climbing, white-water rafting, & party adventures of my youth & later years are still vivid (if not perfectly accurate) in my mind. I enjoy writing down & sharing those stories too. Idaho magazine has actually paid me for 13 of those stories in the last few years & I have a prestigious collection of rejection letters from national publications. I now want to publish a book of my Idaho adventures.
After an adult lifetime in sales & marketing, I don't consider it odd if I embellish a story to make it better.
And following pleasant rock climbs up to 5.9 & leading up to 5.7 still is a hell of a lot of fun for me.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Dec 16, 2016 - 05:12pm PT
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Some could, some may chose not too.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Dec 16, 2016 - 05:24pm PT
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Dingus here's a list of things to do right now
(1) Dwell on what you did in the past.
(2) Climb a new route in the Himalayas.
(3) Cook dinner.
(4) Go on a walk with your dogs
(5) Argue with someone on the internet.
(6) Play the guitar
The list could be longer.
When I say "Live in the present" I mean do something on the list that doesn't include (1), even though (1) is something you do in the present. It's figurative, not literal langausge. Get it?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Dec 16, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
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yanqui,
I understand,
there’s layers and layers of nonsense
you want to poke at only one?
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Dec 16, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
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Overlap with the serious and astute thread What is Mind?.
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