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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Don't trail crews use power drills for construction and repair?
Not on the USFS, not routinely.
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c wilmot
climber
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The NPS uses power tools in the wilderness. Yos uses them constantly. In fact its been the sole reason they have a decent trail system
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Power drilling is legal on USFS and BLM land, and I haven't witnessed what I'd call excessive bolting there. Most climbers appreciate bolts because they make climbing safer and more enjoyable. That said, I understand that bolts are offensive to some climbers also.
Not in deesignated wilderness.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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The NPS uses power tools in the wilderness. Yos uses them constantly. In fact its been the sole reason they have a decent trail system
It's true the NPS (administered by a different agency than the USFS or BLM) does use power tools.
It is certainly not the reason that they have a good trail system. There are massive trail systems throughout the Sierra that were, and are, maintained by hand.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Ken M, how is that I see chain saw cuts through fallen trees in the wilderness in the Sierra if they only infrequently issue permits? How infrequently?
It's more common on FS land as cuts through roads, but I've packed in the Sierra wilderness and seen cuts, e.g. in Yosemite backcountry.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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It would be nice to have full disclosure of how routes were done (tools used etc.) when people post there grand adventures.....
Every sales pitch has some bullsh#t.
There are outright liars in the FFA certification of routes.
What a dream? The fruit of full disclosure is never in reach.
But I am content to find my way to the bottom of a sport bolted 6 pitch 5.11 climb that was put up over the weekend. How much more info do I need to sail or fail?
No FFA ers are your public data base. Live with that. We don't owe you data.
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wstmrnclmr
Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2016 - 08:59pm PT
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Ah Dingus....I don't really care that you don't care either for the routes themselves don't lie. Much like the art of differing painters, it would be nice to know so I can pick the style that suits me. I can usually tell a Higgins/Kamps from a Morris from a Worrall from a Skelton. Maybe even a Dingus Mcgee from a Todd Gordan? Just to simply save myself the hike......
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Fixed anchors;.....target practice....
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Respect the wilderness area boundaries.
the Forest Service generally does also with the guidance of the local Forest Supervisor.
and for those that doubt, that is straight from the mouth of the Uintah Forest Supervisor
acknowledge that Bob Kamps started federal regulation of climbing by seeking to get government to enforce his personal policy of anti-powerbolting. The result was national regulation, and reduced access.. whatever your opinion, fred flintstone or luke skywalker method, do not ask the feds to regulate.. we all lose in that situation.
and...
If you really care about the place where you climb, one designated trail, rather than multiple trails trampling vegetation and compacting soil, will make a real difference to the rabbit that lives there, and he will never notice, a bolt.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Hitch hiking is illigal in our national parks..
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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The best way to stop power drilling in the wilderness....This will do it;...(pretty much puts a stop to most everything....for a decade or so anyways...)..
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Climbers are responsible conservative individuals for the most part;...you can count on them to make good choices and ..pretty much....follow the rules...
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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dead on Todd!
reminds me of picking up at the Needles.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Someone must stop this drilling of holes in the rock;.....i think it's been going on for sometime now;.....(Maybe Trump will be able to stop this vandalism of our national treasures....)...
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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What ever happened to leave no trace?...
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Myles Moser
climber
Lone Pine, Ca
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Well ......
A little of both worlds
A huh the days that I had some juevos!.....
" when men could lift mountains and crush pebbles with their toes"
So we climbing Thursday? Hum? Anyone?
Crushing pebbles?
Jeff?
Marty?
No?
Richard?.... oh come on!
Tone?
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Myles Moser
climber
Lone Pine, Ca
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Drilling upside down. .. no stance no hook! Drilling the world
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