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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 10, 2016 - 09:07pm PT
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Re Pyro's post confirming my previous thoughts:
I hadn't really wrapped my mind around the fact that Trump ran as a Populist. It all makes sense, when I think of the success that Franklin Roosevelt enjoyed running as a well-qualified Populist during the great depression.
Folks like Pyro just love a populist candidate & their promises.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Dec 10, 2016 - 09:40pm PT
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American Billionaire oil developers and Russian Billionaire lease holders are in the midst of a well planned puppet show.
Government agencies in both countries will now shift their priorities to greasing the tracks for rampant thieving.
It's just another version of the rush to war in Iraq to beat Chinese and French oil developmers.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Dec 10, 2016 - 09:59pm PT
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Adequate cybersecurity of the DNC server would have resulted in a different President-Elect
The irony here is overwhelming . . .
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 11, 2016 - 06:47am PT
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a man who is now in the process of grabbing the whole world by the pussy.
thanks dem establishment! [/s]
Yeah, who did you vote for?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 11, 2016 - 06:56am PT
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The margins in the battleground states is so tiny, I can't help but wonder if the Russian actions, applied with great skill, and at the perfect time for effect, didn't do the job. They are well known for doing this in many elections elsewhere.
I don't know how you could prove that it was enough to make a difference, and that is what will probably count in the end.
On the other hand, direct interference in our exercise of democracy seems a serious thing to me---on the level of an act of war.
What to do? What to do?
I think hiding one's head in the sand, and chanting "Ain't no Russians, Ain't no Russians", to drown out any other information seems both unpatriotic and hyperpartisan at the same time.
I must say that the GOP response of not even wanting to evaluate the situation---we're talking RUSSIA, for God's sake----and ridicule of the intel agencies, does not bode well for our gov't response to bad news----is bad news simply going to be ignored and ridiculed?
In the next great natural disaster, are we going to find that the gov't has adopted the stance of it's allies: That this is a retribution from God, and no help is merited, except by one's own "bootstraps?"
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2016 - 07:20am PT
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A few republicans are taking a serious interest, but the silence shows how easily our government can be undermined. Their complicity is appalling. At the risk of sounding like a Joseph McCarthy foil hat nutter, I'm beginning to seriously question the patriotism of our president elect and his financial ties to Russia. Just to outright dismiss our intelligence--as faulty as it is--is extremely worrying.
Btw, Russians hacked the rnc too, they just didn't release what they found.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Dec 11, 2016 - 07:21am PT
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Say bye bye, Ukraine(and Estonia, Latvia,Lithuania). Hello massive arctic drilling.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2016 - 07:22am PT
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^^^yep
Paul Manafort was in the bag for Russia , too.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2016 - 08:44am PT
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Good morning, strawmen. Who said there was no way Clinton's server could be hacked?
"Fake news": you mean the Washington post?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 11, 2016 - 08:55am PT
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Good morning, strawmen. Who said there was no way Clinton's server could be hacked?
Right, Dirt. I think the assertion of the FBI was that there was no evidence that it had been hacked.
Inasmuch as a large part of breaches relate to human error with the security systems, I'd imagine that there is virtually no such thing as a internet-connected breach-proof machine.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Dec 11, 2016 - 09:02am PT
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If Trump said the hacking news is bogus then i believe him...But maybe tomorrow he'll change his mind when his business deals with Putin go sour..
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2016 - 09:43am PT
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I'm not a Russia bogeyman guy. But they are a problem, and the fact we will soon have a president who gives waives away intelligence reports, repratedly gives Russia a pass on just about everything, hires russian cronies, then hides his finances is extremely troubling. Hillary is irrelevant at this point.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Dec 11, 2016 - 10:09am PT
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while this is about syria, the answer this independent journalist gave regarding mainstream information gathering and dissemination is just as applicable in this case...
mass corporate media too often consists of baseless claims by unnamed sources when it comes to these "avant garde" questions and issues...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Dec 11, 2016 - 10:16am PT
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nah000
Thanks to Eva Bartlett for schooling me and other ignorant fools about the disinformation and economical interests involved...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Dec 11, 2016 - 10:25am PT
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Norwegians reporters have blonde hair...that was a fake interview..
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Dec 11, 2016 - 10:29am PT
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^^^^
hahahahaha...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 11, 2016 - 10:31am PT
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So is Eva Bartlett claiming that it is not a civil war in Syria and that the government is not attacking civilians, she makes that claim at the end of that video.
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