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Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Dec 17, 2016 - 04:41am PT
Robert L you are expecting too much out of a fair amount of the American people, they are blinded by national pride and guided by low information.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Dec 17, 2016 - 09:43am PT
Huh? I want proof KenM. They're words is doogie. I want proof.

Haha. DMT and Trump are basically the only two people on the planet still denying Russian hacking of the DNC.

I'm somewhat surprised DMT believes in global warming--after all, there's no "proof."

Curt
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 17, 2016 - 09:47am PT
Alt-right Breitbart guy is absolutely right. Make way for the Neo Christian anti-constitutional Fascist Minority.

19.5 percent of voters couldn't be wrong with God and the Antichrist on their side of the fair fight.

Amen
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Dec 17, 2016 - 09:49am PT
And Obama is passing the torch to only the second person in U.S. history to become elected President despite losing the majority vote.

Actually, this has happened 5 times now--which is why the electoral college needs to go.

Curt
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Dec 17, 2016 - 09:53am PT
"Unpresidented"

What an idiot.

Or should I not say that because it will offend the whiny sensibilities of the folks who were bent out of shape over softening our kids up for the stupiding of America?

The stupid kids are the soft kids, but white daddy trump knows best now.

Grab em by the pu$$y! is no longer unprecedented for our president. Our kids are always in need of good precedential role models, so I prayed for Trump.

If the US president doesn't know how to spell words in English, I expect the Chinese leadership will be able to "help" us out.
Norton

Social climber
Dec 17, 2016 - 10:10am PT
"I know words"


"I know the best words"
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 17, 2016 - 10:20am PT
Huh? I want proof KenM. They're words is doogie. I want proof.

I'm pointing out that you established a level of proof acceptable to you: Individual experts putting their personal reputations on the line. That has now been achieved, as you requested.

However, now, you are moving the goalposts. You KNOW that the proof cannot be disclosed (sources and methods)in it's specifics, without shutting down the intelligence sources from which they come, probably with assassination of the the involved sources.

So you state that what you want is what you cannot have. (and probably don't have the intellectual wattage and training to assess, anyway---neither do I)

So you have defined it as unprovable.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 17, 2016 - 11:00am PT

Haha. DMT and Trump are basically the only two people on the planet still denying Russian hacking of the DNC.

Whether it happened or not matters not one wit. The Corporate Party won the election. It was always going to win the election, no matter what Russia did or did not do.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Dec 17, 2016 - 11:21am PT
It's so ironic that the very thing the left admonished the right to do: "Abide by the results of the election," is now the very thing the left cannot do. "Not my president." PAID, violent protest in the streets. "Hacked election."

My, my.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4039310/Wikileaks-founder-Julian-Assange-goes-offensive-claims-Russia-Clinton-emails-saying-Kremlin-NOT-source.html

Take it from the source: Russia was not the source. Has Wikileaks ever been shown incorrect in anything it's claimed in over a decade?

Unlike the mainstream media, which Assange rightly denotes as virtually irrelevant, we need to consider demonstrable facts here. Frankly, I trust Wikileaks more than our "intelligence" community, given that both are drawing opposing conclusions, and both are refusing to say anything about sources.

In the absence of compelling evidence, the left can only grasp at straws and posture in the VERY ways it would have decried if the right had been acting this way.

Thousands of posts later, the OP question is moot. IT HAPPENED. The "why" story is how you console yourselves in your little, irrelevant echo-chamber.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Dec 17, 2016 - 11:35am PT
Take it from the source: Russia was not the source. Has Wikileaks ever been shown incorrect in anything it's claimed in over a decade?

Well, they're apparently wrong on this one.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/fbi-and-cia-agree-russias-operation-intended-help-trump-win

Interestingly, even FOX News now agrees--not exactly a left-wing, liberal supporting news source.

The FBI, the CIA, and the Director of National Intelligence agree that Russia subverted an American election because it wanted Trump in the White House, while the only people pushing back against these findings are Trump, his closest allies, and officials in Moscow.

It’s the sort of thing voters and their elected representatives should care about.

Postscript: Complicating matters, while Trump and his transition team have been eager to dismiss news organizations reporting on the intelligence community’s findings, that pushback became a little more difficult today: Fox News told viewers yesterday it, too, has independently verified that Russia was responsible for the cyber-attack on the American election. Fox News’ report added that the operation had been “sanctioned by the highest levels of the Russian government.”

Curt
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 17, 2016 - 11:36am PT
I hand information to you, you hand it to assange. Was I, by his account, his sources?

are you an infant?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 17, 2016 - 11:52am PT
Whether it happened or not matters not one wit. The Corporate Party won the election. It was always going to win the election, no matter what Russia did or did not do.

+1

some people just want to watch the world turn, maybe do a little clamberin'....and without bunched-up britches about the inevitable rapacity of the ruling class

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Dec 17, 2016 - 12:03pm PT
Awesome stuff here:

Dear Mr. Trump:

I refer to you as “Mr” because I do not recognize you as my president. Or anyone’s president for that matter. You lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes, more than any president in United States history. And with the likely help of Russian hacks, oppressive voter ID laws, other acts of voter suppression and election fraud, and an embarrassingly neutered media, you squeaked out a measly 306 electoral votes, placing you in the bottom fifth of all presidents ever.

But in true Trumpian fashion, you’ve boasted of a “massive landslide victory.” Sorry, pal. The only “landslide” was Hillary Clinton’s, as she received more votes than any president in history except for Barack Obama in 2008. One thing’s for sure though: you were right about the election being “rigged.” For you.

Now that we’ve gotten the niceties out of the way, let me ask the most obvious question: what the f*#k is wrong with you!? Seriously, do you not give a sh#t about your legacy, if not for yourself, at least for your kids, grandkids and future generations of Trumps? If your goal is to beat James Buchanan as the worst president in history, well then Mazel Tov, as you’re halfway there and you’ve still got five weeks till inauguration day!

Let’s start with your cabinet picks. You were supposed to drain the swamp, not restock it with self-serving corporate billionaires and other uber-rich insiders and cronies. You’ve appointed a banana-republic-worthy gaggle of unqualified, inexperienced, intellectually un-curious sexists/misogynists, racists, stabbers (ok, just one knifer, Ben Carson), fake-news-spreaders and Russian sympathizers. And your alt-right white nationalist advisor Steve Bannon sits atop this basket of deplorables. This is your idea of populism!?

And what’s with all the generals? You know, those guys you claim to be smarter than. Are you planning some kind of military coup? Besides, hanging around with generals doesn’t make you any tougher. You could hang around real-men in uniform all you want and you’re still a draft-dodging coward.

Now about that Russian hack. That you’re summarily dismissing the validity of the findings of 17 national security agencies is shameful and treasonous. You should be saying, “Yes, a Russian hack into our election process, a cyber-attack, is a major threat to our Democracy and must be subject to a full bi-partisan investigation.” Instead, you’ve disparaged our intelligence community. You blame President Obama. Or some 400-lb fat guy in his mother’s basement. What kind of message does it send to our enemies that our President-elect attacks our national security experts while defending Vladimir Putin?

Next, the conflicts of interests are not just mind-numbingly unethical, but perhaps illegal and impeachable. You’ve refused to release your tax returns and have bailed on your big press conference this week to explain how you’re going to separate yourself and your family from your business... leaving the American people with zero transparency for the first time in modern presidential history. Between your foreign investments and debt, and your domestic properties (DC hotel, for example), your conflicts are staggering. You’re blatantly putting your personal financial interests before the safety and security of the nation. Oh, and because of you I now have to add the word “emoluments” to my vocabulary.

Lastly, your utter disdain for America’s free and open press is perhaps the biggest threat to our democracy of all. Your administration’s hinted at making drastic, unprecedented changes to the media’s access to information including limiting or eliminating daily White House briefings, the Saturday morning presidential address, press conferences and the press pool. You’ve also threatened to expand our libel laws which would allow you greater ability to sue reporters and media outlets who are critical of you and your administration.

This is what fascism smells like.

Your words and actions are a constant attack on our freedoms and the progress we’ve made in our 240-year history. You are pissing all over the Oval Office and the U.S. Constitution. Shame on you. And shame on everyone who voted for you.

So no, Mr. Trump, I will never refer to you as “president.” You are not worthy of that title.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/an-open-letter-to-mr-trum_b_13633110.html?

Curt



Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Dec 17, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
LOL, Curt. That is a CLASSIC piece by the predictable Democrats. All you have is name calling.

Funny. You see name calling and I see a rather long list of facts.

Curt
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Dec 17, 2016 - 01:49pm PT
Curt, Stay on it.

Cragman, where exactly is the name calling to which you're referring?

T is keeping his promise of draining the swamp.

He already has...

...so he can truck the contents to the White House!
F

climber
away from the ground
Dec 17, 2016 - 02:13pm PT
Just close your eyes and keep sucking, Cragmom. That's what Jesus wants you to do.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Dec 17, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
What's so appealing about Trump is that he tells it like it is, even when the way he tells it isn't actually the way it is.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but it's maybe not unpresidented that you can fool so many of them at the same time. Praise Jesus for that!
hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Dec 17, 2016 - 03:10pm PT
Is paret loyalty more important than love of country? What would it take to get "you" to jump ship?
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Dec 17, 2016 - 03:13pm PT
Love of country? I hope we can aspire to a larger tribe than that, but maybe that's as large as minds can be.

Obama is a little girl who soiled his panties? Michelle Obama is a man? Maybe love of country is even too big for our minds.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Dec 17, 2016 - 03:24pm PT
If the Clinton Machine hadn't bulldozed the Democratic Party and intimidated some who might have run there might now be a Democratic president-elect. I would have been delighted if Jim Webb had emerged, rather than being sunk early on. However, he might have had a charisma problem. But he couldn't have been worse in that regard than HRC.
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