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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 9, 2019 - 04:01pm PT


http://tcimag.tcia.org/publication/?i=555352&article_id=3278268&view=articleBrowser&ver=html5#{%22issue_id%22:555352,%22view%22:%22articleBrowser%22,%22article_id%22:%223278268%22}
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jan 9, 2019 - 06:43pm PT
Did you all see CBS News today about the 101 yr old inventor?

Why not carbon sequestration through cryogenics, some cryogenic method? CO2 sublimes at −78.5 °C (−109.3 °F) after all, what am I missing here?

Will have to investigate...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/charlie-bliss-climage-change-plan-101-year-old-inventor/
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 9, 2019 - 09:44pm PT
how many watts to refrigerate?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jan 10, 2019 - 07:44am PT
Good question. I imagine were it to work, it would be at some reduced efficiency? and probably quite constrained in application. Still, with CO2's relatively high sublimation temp, it's a tantalizing consideration. 60 Minutes last week had a similarly interesting story - that one about an older amateur scientist / inventor attempting to break down cellulose efficiently into usable product.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 10, 2019 - 08:33am PT
These are all nice stories,
all of these ideas have been worked on in some detail for a while.

Not saying people shouldn't be thinking up schemes, but they shouldn't be surprised
if someone else had thought them up previously. A real shame that we don't usually
publish articles about "failed" ideas.

Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Jan 10, 2019 - 09:23am PT
I know an old lady
She swallowed a fly
But I don't know why
She swallow the fly

I guess she'll die

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Who swallow a spider
It wiggled and jiggled
And tickled inside her

She swallowed a spider
To catch the fly
But I don't know why
She swallowed the fly

I guess she'll die

I know and old lady
Who swallowed a bird
Isn't that absurd
To swallow a bird?

She swallowed the bird
To catch the spider
Who wiggled and jiggled
And tickled inside her

She swallowed the spider
To catch the fly
But I don't know why
She swallowed a fly

I guess she'll die

I know and old lady
Who swallowed a cat
Just imagine that
She swallowed a cat

She swallowed the cat
To catch the bird
She swallowed the bird
To catch the spider
Who wiggled and jiggled
And tickled inside her
And she swallowed the spider
To catch the fly
But I don't know why
She swallowed the fly

I guess she'll die

I know an old lady who swallowed a dog
Ooh, what a hog
She swallowed the dog
She swallowed the dog
To catch the cat
She swallowed the cat
To catch the bird
And she swallowed the bird
To catch the spider
Who wiggled and jiggled
And tickled inside her
And she swallowed the spider
To catch the fly
But I don't know why
She swallowed the fly

I guess she'll die

I know an old lady
Who swallowed a goat
She just opened her throat
And swallowed a goat
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To catch the cat
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To catch the bird
And she swallowed the bird
To catch the spider
Who wiggled and jiggled
And tickled inside her
And she swallowed the spider
To catch the fly
But I don't know why
She swallowed the fly

I guess she'll die

And I knew an old lady
Who swallowed a minister
Isn’t that sinister?
To swallow a minister
She swallowed a minister
To catch the goat
And she swallowed a goat
To catch the dog
And she swallowed a dog
To catch the cat
She swallowed the cat
To catch the bird
And she swallowed the bird
To catch the spider
That wiggled and jiggled
And tickled inside her
And she swallowed the spider
To catch the fly
But I don't know why
She swallowed the fly

I guess she'll die

I know an old lady
Who swallowed a rhinoceros
Isn't that preposterous!
To swallow a rhinoceros
She swallowed a rhinoceros
To catch the minister
She swallowed the minister
To catch the goat
She swallowed the goat
To catch the dog
She swallowed the dog
To catch the cat
She swallowed the cat
To catch the bird
And she swallowed a bird
To catch the spider
That wiggled and jiggled
And tickled inside her
And she swallowed the spider
To catch the fly
But I don't know why
She swallowed the fly

I guess she'll die

I know an old lady
Who swallowed a horse...
She's dead of course
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 11, 2019 - 06:23am PT
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/01/11/BC-Carbon-Tax-Success-Explained/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 16, 2019 - 10:49am PT

http://gregladen.com/blog/2019/01/16/warming-of-the-global-ocean-2018-is-the-warmest-year-so-far/

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2019/jan/16/our-oceans-broke-heat-records-in-2018-and-the-consequences-are-catastrophic

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/425591-2018-was-the-hottest-year-for-the-planets-oceans-ever-recorded
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 17, 2019 - 06:19am PT
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-divisive-carbon-prices-are-much-ado-about-nothing/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2019 - 09:22pm PT
'The only thing we can do is adapt':
Greenland ice melt reaching 'tipping point,' study finds

Climate change is causing Greenland's massive ice sheets to melt much faster than previously thought, a new study has found, and it may be "too late" to do anything about it.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/health/greenland-ice-melt-study-intl/index.html

We’re going to see faster and faster sea level rise for the foreseeable future. Once you hit that tipping point, the only question is: How severe does it get?

https://news.osu.edu/greenland-ice-melting-rapidly-study-finds/



Glaciers In North America Now Melting 4 Times Faster

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/237722/20190121/glaciers-in-north-america-now-melting-4-times-faster.htm

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018GL080942
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2019 - 09:37pm PT

2018 | The Year in Climate Change

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/12/climate/year-in-climate-change.html
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jan 21, 2019 - 09:59pm PT
That article about carbon tax
(although not about a revenue neutral tax)
does have a good point. The simpleton deniers are able to campaign based on lies and often win.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-divisive-carbon-prices-are-much-ado-about-nothing/
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 22, 2019 - 12:12pm PT
CO2 is actually expensive and useful in oil production. It is miscible with oil at relatively low pressures. Companies now hook into methanol plants and buy their emissions to recover much more oil in place than saltwater floods.

Regular power plant emissions aren’t pure enough.

There are vast pressure depleted gas reservoirs that could be used for sequestration. It would not be cheap, though. Our only real solution is to halt most of our emissions. That will never happen while oil is the cheapest and most dense form of energy. We are all guilty.

You can’t just grow more trees. When organic material decomposes, all of that carbon simply releases back into the atmosphere. Nature has sequestered carbon in the form of carbonate rocks. Prior to the evolution of photosynthesis we had a CO2 rich atmosphere. Like the white cliffs of Dover, tremendous amounts of carbon are permanently tied up in limestones. CaCO3.

That is a slow process, though, and we are emitting more carbon than the oceans can tie up.

Basically, our grandchildren are screwed. In the far future, oil will have run out. The damage will have already been done, though.

Climate change deniers are just like those who put complete faith in creationism. They are hopelessly blind.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 22, 2019 - 12:16pm PT
The simpleton deniers are able to campaign based on lies and often win.

How about that.... all those simpleton deniers getting the better of the best and brightest of the scientific community.
Gunks Ray

Trad climber
Gunks
Jan 22, 2019 - 01:38pm PT

How about that.... all those simpleton deniers getting the better of the best and brightest of the scientific community.

It's usually pretty easy to win an argument if your side is telling people exactly what they wanted to hear anyway.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 23, 2019 - 07:29am PT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 23, 2019 - 07:34am PT

BEIJING (Reuters) – China’s December coal output climbed 2.1 percent from the year before, government data showed, hitting the highest level in over three years as major miners ramped up production amid robust winter demand and after the country started up new mines.

Cranes unload coal from a cargo ship at a port in Lianyungang, Jiangsu province, China December 8, 2018. Picture taken December 8, 2018. REUTERS/Stringer

Miners produced 320.38 million tonnes of coal in December, according to data released on Monday by the National Bureau of Statistics. That is the largest volume since June, 2015.

China approved more than 45 billion yuan’s ($6.64 billion)worth of new coal mining projects last year, much more than 2017, official documents show.

That came after the country closed old and more-polluting coal mines as part of its battle to clean up the environment.

“Coal mining capacity coming online will lead to another increase in output this year after boosting December output to a more than three-year high,” said a Beijing-based coal analyst with a major broker. He declined to be identified as he was not authorised by his company to speak to media on the matter.

The new projects stoked overall coal output last year, with annual production rising 5.2 percent to the highest since 2015 at 3.55 billion tonnes.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-economy-output-coal/chinas-coal-output-hits-highest-in-over-3-years-as-mines-start-up-idUKKCN1PF0DI
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 23, 2019 - 07:37am PT
since when does a cartoon substitute for actual science?

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 23, 2019 - 07:55am PT
Business leaders waking up to extreme risks posed by climate change

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/426422-business-leaders-starting-to-realize-extreme-risks-posed-by



More Americans Than Ever Believe in Climate Change, No Matter What Trump Says
New rates of melting ice underscore the results of an encouraging survey about environmental attitudes

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/climate-change-study-782352/

New Survey Shows Americans Are Finally Coming to Terms With a Pivotal Scientific Truth

https://www.sciencealert.com/americans-are-finally-coming-to-terms-with-a-pivotal-scientific-truth
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 23, 2019 - 10:03am PT
Global warming is here and is already affecting our climate, so prevention is no longer an option. Three options remain for dealing with the crisis: mitigate, adapt, and suffer.
Lonnie G Thompson
2010
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995507/


We have punted on mitigation, so the choices are adapt or suffer.

I foresee that our adaptation response will also be too little too late.
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