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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 6, 2018 - 06:14am PT


https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/cop24-katowice-updates-12-3-18/h_31aa59b4ad273ccc63a3767c173043b6


https://climateandcapitalism.com/2018/04/24/the-keeling-curve-a-portrait-of-climate-crisis/
clifff

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Dec 6, 2018 - 07:01am PT
Global carbon emissions to hit record levels in 2018, scientists warn

According to the report, global carbon emissions from fossil fuel and industry are expected to grow by 2.7 percent from 2017 to 2018, meaning that the world will spew some 40.9 billion tons of the substance this year, up from 39.8 billion tons in 2017.

The spike in emissions comes as almost no growth had been recorded for the past last three years.

Fossil fuel emissions are estimated to rise this year by 4.7 percent in China, the world’s biggest carbon emitter, 6.3 percent in India, and 2.5 percent in the United States. The European Union (EU), however, showed a decrease by 0.7 percent this year.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/12/06/582128/carbon-emissions-2018-record-levels

https://www.google.com/search?q=record+carbon+emissions&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Dec 6, 2018 - 09:22am PT
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/05122018/greenland-ice-sheet-melting-tipping-points-sea-level-rise-climate-change-arctic-warming?amp

“Melting on Greenland's ice sheet has gone into "overdrive," with meltwater runoff increasing 50 percent since the start of the industrial era and continuing to accelerate, new research shows. As more water runs off the ice sheet, it drives sea level rise, putting new pressure on coastal communities around the world.

"Once the ice sheets get kicked into motion, they just keep going. This is a wake-up call that shows how fast Greenland is changing," said Rowan University climate researcher Luke Trusel, co-author of the new study published Wednesday in the scientific journal Nature.

The scientists found that the trend of increasing surface melting across the ice sheet began in the mid-1800s as greenhouse gas emissions from the growth of industries were ramping up, and that it shot up over the past three decades. More meltwater is running off Greenland's ice sheet now than at any time in the last 350 years, and probably since long before that, going back 6,000 to 7,000 years, Trusel said.

As a result, Greenland is also adding more to sea level than at any time over the past three and a half centuries, he said.”

Moose
WBraun

climber
Dec 6, 2018 - 09:30am PT
As more water runs off the ice sheet, it drives sea level rise,

Yes all that water will go into the ocean and then sun will take it and make clouds, rain will fall everywhere and make crops grow everywhere and everyone will live happily ever after .....
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Dec 6, 2018 - 09:56am PT
Hey, Werner, wake up! It’s 10AM!

Sorry, you had such a wonderful dream.

Moosealarm
TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Dec 7, 2018 - 09:55am PT
I think the big thing that people are not seeing is the collapse of the oceans and what impact that would have. Once the ocean gets too acidic due to all the carbon we are dumping into it and add to it all fertilizer aka the nitrogen we are dumping into it and then add some more heat, you get a toxic mess. It will take the forms of red tides, algae, seaweed as the foreshadowing. Then everything collapses and all oxygen disappears. Anyone who has dabbled with a saltwater fish tanks knows the cycle and what happens when the nitrates build up too much. You can do a water change in a fish tank to reduce nitrates but who will do an Ocean water change before it collapses? Everyone thought the oceans were soo vast that it wouldn't happen but it is starting and this is what scares me the most. Forget about climate change, we won't be able to breath since most of our oxygen comes from the oceans. Global population is the blame. Whoever said that the Nitrogen cycle is the problem is correct. Carbon is just a side problem to our bigger problem.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141127212346.htm
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Dec 7, 2018 - 10:19am PT
^^^^ Yep!

I have a post on this thread from a year or two ago warning about acidification of the oceans. Didn’t know how big the problem with nitrogen was.

What we do to our planet is absolutely horrible. Smetimes I feel like I’m in a train going off the rails, and no matter what I do, the crash is inevitable.

Moosedoom
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 7, 2018 - 10:25am PT


I don't see a problem.
clifff

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Dec 7, 2018 - 01:36pm PT
Abrupt Warming - How Much And How Fast?

How much could temperatures rise? As the image shows, a rise of more than 10°C (18°F) could take place, resulting in mass extinction of man...



http://arctic-news.blogspot.com
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Dec 7, 2018 - 10:16pm PT
Btw, we don’t need to worry about our planet. It’ll survive. A small percentage of humans will survive too, along with some other species. We are still too weak to kill the Earth.

The DNA will be passed on.

Maybe humans are a dead branch on the evolutionary tree, just like many species before us.

Moose
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Dec 7, 2018 - 11:15pm PT
No one is really talking about "killing the planet" or the end of the world.
The issue is changing it very significantly, enough to change society as we know it, in which case the impacts and costs of adapting are more than the cost of reducing GHGs in the first place.


Punitive action is a good term for those who spew lots of GHGs imposing huge impacts on other people who don't.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 8, 2018 - 07:42am PT
^ wrong
See the constantly increasing Keeling curve above.

The Planet Has Seen Sudden Warming Before. It Wiped Out Almost Everything.
In some ways, the planet's worst mass extinction — 250 million years ago, at the end of the Permian Period — may parallel climate change today.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/science/climate-change-mass-extinction.html

Temperature-dependent hypoxia explains biogeography and severity of end-Permian marine mass extinction
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/362/6419/eaat1327



the rate of CO2 growth has not decreased
https://tamino.wordpress.com/2016/04/17/co2-status-report/


Fun with (Keeling) curve fitting
https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x202145
^ note that the 2008 prediction for 2018 is good


^ does this look like it is decreasing? No
maybe the rate of change is decreasing? No




https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=11453
clifff

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Dec 8, 2018 - 09:07am PT
Awakening the Horrors of the Ancient Hothouse — Hydrogen Sulfide in the World’s Warming Oceans

“Dead Cthulu waits dreaming…” H.P. Lovecraft

In the 1930s, pulp horror writer H.P. Lovecraft penned tales of ancient monsters called Old Ones that, if awakened, would emerge to devour the world. One of these horrors, Cthulu, lay in death’s sleep in his house called R’lyeh at the bottom of the Baltic Sea (Charles Stross) awaiting some impetus to disturb him from necrotic slumber (ironically, the Baltic sea bed contains one of the world’s highest concentrations of the deadly hydrogen-sulfide producing bacteria that are a focus of this article).

https://robertscribbler.com/2014/01/21/awakening-the-horrors-of-the-ancient-hothouse-hydrogen-sulfide-in-the-worlds-warming-oceans/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 9, 2018 - 10:42am PT
United States sided with Russia, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in blocking endorsement of a landmark study on global warming.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/climate-talks-break-as-u-s-russia-block-endorsement-of-key-report-1.4210835

Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 9, 2018 - 11:23am PT
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-pays-for-a-carbon-tax-no-one-knows-e2-80-94-thats-the-problem/ar-BBQI7FG

The popularity of carbon taxes on the green left is understandable, if naïve. Imposing a tax on the consumption of anything predictably reduces the quantity of the taxed thing that people are willing to consume. The trouble is that no one knows who will bear the burden of a carbon tax; what economists call tax "incidence."
TLP

climber
Dec 9, 2018 - 02:09pm PT
It's a huge digression to sidetrack into the many flaws in that piece, so how about starting off by advocating instantly eliminating all of the huge subsidies, depletion allowances, cheap sole source deals for public land, get-out-of-jail-free cards for environmental and health costs from air and water pollution, public costs for inadequately disposed coal wastes, and other bogus anti-free-market cash cows that the fossil fuel industries benefit from. Why do we just about never hear any "conservative" outcry about those? Gross hypocrisy for sure, and obviously being in on the cash take (at a minimum in terms of political campaign expenditures) is why.

There would be flaws in implementation, incidence, and so on of a carbon tax, but what we already have in terms of sweetheart deals for the fossil fuel industry is so totally corrupt, fraudulent, hypocritical, and costly to the public as it is, it could hardly be any worse. Fix those, or even if we just saw a lot of loud advocacy for fixing them from supposed free market advocates, and you'd see less of a clamor for carbon tax.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Dec 10, 2018 - 06:25am PT
CoalSwarm published a report on September 26 warning that 259 gigawatts of coal power capacity – equivalent to the entire coal power fleet of the United States – is being built in China despite government policies restricting new builds.

This blog reported last month that China was building 46 gigawatts of coal power that had been shelved or suspended, and which was discovered by CoalSwarm through an analysis of satellite imagery.

The new estimate by CoalSwarm takes the 46 gigawatts found by satellite imagery and adds other projects in the pre-construction/construction phase, as well as 57 gigawatts of shelved projects that seem likely to go online in the near future.

Professor Yuan Jiahai of North China Electric Power University told chinadialogue that China loosened its restrictions on new coal-fired power construction in five provinces earlier this year. He is confident that China can keep its total coal power capacity within the 1100-gigawatt ceiling announced in the 13th Five-Year Plan, which runs through to 2020.

However, China’s coal power capacity already stands at 993 gigawatts, leading CoalSwarm to warn that the sector’s resurgence is wildly out of line with the Paris Agreement, which commits countries to limiting the average global temperature rise from climate change by 2 degrees Celsius above the pre-industrial period.

Facts on the ground

Satellite imagery reveals that many coal-fired power projects that were halted by the Chinese government have quietly restarted.

Analysis by CoalSwarm estimates that 46.7 gigawatts of new and restarted coal-fired power construction is visible based on satellite imagery supplied by Planet Labs. The coal-fired power plants are either generating power or will soon be operational. If all the plants reach completion they would increase China’s coal-fired power capacity by 4%.

https://www.chinadialogue.net/blog/10761-China-is-building-coal-power-again/en?fbclid=IwAR3VotOwyRDS-calIGhGCU6A34aEq4p4PlgrqyitbXBWmLGCjpfBnB5VxaY
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Dec 10, 2018 - 08:08am PT
Didn't China sign on to the Paris climate change dealio? This is hilarious and totally predictable and, whether you like it or not, why Trump pulled out. The agreement is a joke, and the Chi-coms are laughing their asses off. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but anyone who thought differently, well, time to wake up and smell the climate change coffee. Bummer. #VANLIFE!

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clifff

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Dec 10, 2018 - 09:29am PT
Much of the mercury we're poisoned with comes from coal burning:

Mercury, the other geologically persistent planetary poison

Because of mercury’s tendency to recycle after it deposits, today there is more mercury deposition called “legacy anthropogenic”, meaning recycled from emission decades ago, than there is deposition of mercury we are emitting now. So just like for carbon, we are creating an accumulating load in the mercury cycle.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/10/mercury-the-other-geologically-persistent-planetary-poison/#more-21951
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 10, 2018 - 09:52am PT
Fix those, or even if we just saw a lot of loud advocacy for fixing them from supposed free market advocates, and you'd see less of a clamor for carbon tax.

There is no clamor for a carbon tax--except, maybe, among elites. Even here in liberal Washington State, I-1631 carbon tax at $15/ton was recently shot down overwhelmingly. And in France, the imposition of new fuel taxes to pay for alternative energy has opened up a whole can of anti-govt fervor. So, if you want nothing to get done about a very real problem, well, keep up with the whole govt carbon tax scheme.

Credit: Lituya

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