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xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 1, 2018 - 06:01pm PT
years ago youd hear a lot that a mechanism which would lift cfc's into the elevations necessary to mess with the ozone layer had yet to be found

never looked into it
was there anything to that?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 2, 2018 - 08:17pm PT

Cutting with both arms of the scissors: the economic and political case for restrictive supply-side climate policies

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-018-2162-x
xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 4, 2018 - 05:52am PT
A May 29 Harvard University study “estimates that at least 4,645 deaths can be linked to the hurricane and its immediate aftermath,” and noted that “health-care disruption for the elderly and the loss of basic utility services for the chronically ill had significant impact.”

Despite this less than a week old study, the major sunday political talk shows -- which include CNN’s State of the Union, ABC’s This Week, CBS’ Face the Nation, NBC’s Meet the Press, and Fox Broadcasting Co.’s Fox News Sunday -- were all silent on the subject.

https://www.alternet.org/sunday-news-shows-ignore-puerto-rico-amid-new-study-nearly-5000-people-died-result-hurricane-maria


right after it was realized what giant tracks of land would be poisoned forever by nuclear power 'accidents' it was realized that rather than lose that land they will just change the rules as to how much poison we can live with
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 5, 2018 - 05:23am PT

The NOAA Annual Greenhouse Gas Index (AGGI) measures the commitment society has already made to living in a changing climate.

The AGGI is analogous to the dial on an electric blanket. Just as the dial does not tell you exactly how hot you will get, the AGGI does not predict how much Earth’s climate will warm. You do know, however, that if the dial is turned up a little, the blanket will get warmer – and not immediately. If you turn it up a lot, you know the blanket will get a lot warmer – eventually.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jun 5, 2018 - 04:44pm PT
Credit: wilbeer

This morning.
clifff

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Jun 6, 2018 - 06:58am PT

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201804

Arctic Ocean ice changes from 1984:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2018/05/Figure_4ad_correctedV2.png

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 6, 2018 - 09:18am PT
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6391/877

A 550,000-year record of East Asian monsoon rainfall from ¹⁰Be in loess

J. Warren Beck, Weijian Zhou, Cheng Li, Zhenkun Wu, Lara White, Feng Xian, Xianghui Kong, Zhisheng An

Abstract
Cosmogenic ¹⁰Be flux from the atmosphere is a proxy for rainfall. Using this proxy, we derived a 550,000-year-long record of East Asian summer monsoon (EASM) rainfall from Chinese loess. This record is forced at orbital precession frequencies, with higher rainfall observed during Northern Hemisphere summer insolation maxima, although this response is damped during cold interstadials. The ¹⁰Be monsoon rainfall proxy is also highly correlated with global ice-volume variations, which differs from Chinese cave δ¹⁸O, which is only weakly correlated. We argue that both EASM intensity and Chinese cave δ¹⁸O are not governed by high-northern-latitude insolation, as suggested by others, but rather by low-latitude interhemispheric insolation gradients, which may also strongly influence global ice volume via monsoon dynamics.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 6, 2018 - 04:53pm PT

The head of Canada's largest oil company says climate change is backed by science, and deniers, including politicians, need to do a U-turn and accept it.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/suncor-ceo-slams-climate-change-deniers-1.4694549
clifff

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Jun 8, 2018 - 03:36pm PT
Credit: NSIDC

Credit: NSIDC

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2018/05/Figure_4ad_correctedV2.png

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 13, 2018 - 11:12am PT
'Carbon bubble' coming that could wipe trillions from the global economy

Demand for fossil fuels will decline in the near future with major
macroeconomic and geopolitical consequences

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180604121041.htm

https://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/theres-a-dangerous-bubble-in-the-fossil-fuel-economy-and-the-trump-administration-is-making-it-worse

https://phys.org/news/2018-06-carbon-trillions-global-economy.html
xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 13, 2018 - 11:19am PT
Earth's Life Reacts to 20 Years of Environmental Change in NASA Animation

https://www.space.com/40855-changing-earth-revealed-past-two-decades.html

clifff

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Jun 13, 2018 - 01:39pm PT
Global climate change, fueled by skyrocketing levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, is siphoning oxygen from today's oceans at an alarming pace (similiar to the) Toarcian Oceanic Anoxic Event (T-OAE), an interval of global oceanic deoxygenation characterized by a mass extinction of marine organisms that occurred in the Early Jurassic Period.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180611160510.htm
xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 13, 2018 - 01:45pm PT
the oceans will effectively be soda pop inside the century

nothing but whats needed for jellyfish to be the top predator

save a few hangers on
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 13, 2018 - 08:21pm PT
Do we do nothing and just try to live it up until the day of our demise, or do we try to stave off our extinction by changing things that we know contribute to climate change, like greenhouse gases?

The answer is pretty simple. Don’t sh#t where you eat. Seriously.

https://douglashaugen.com/earth-day-dont-sh#t-where-you-eat/
xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:08pm PT
I think the subject isnt promoted well
the avenue taken in the attempt seems like a capitulation from the start


it doesn't matter if its man made or not if mans survival is predicated on an infrastructure which only works if it doesn't happen

rather than argue the dire predictions

explain the first world famines that will occur as shipping is significantly restrained by just the few feet of ocean rise we know is certain at least inside the century


the conservation should really be about what were gonna preserve in the museum the remenant of humanity preserve as 85% of their number are rubbed out
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:33pm PT


Believe it or not, there’s a clear bright side here. Quickly slash emissions, and the ice shelves should still remain stable across most of the continent. Doing so would require an unprecedented era of global cooperation, but the collaborative research taking place right now in Antarctica — an effort shared by dozens of scientists from 17 countries in this week’s update alone — could serve as inspiration. It’s a symbol of what’s possible when people work together for a common cause.


Hulbe, whose first trip to Antarctica was in 1991 but was not directly involved with this week’s report, sees it partly as the culmination of what she’s been working for her entire life. In her view, the way the report is framed — as a stark choice presented to humanity — “accomplishes something that charts and graphs never will.”

In narrative prose unusual for a formal scientific study, the researchers imagine what Antarctica might be like in 2070 — with and without rapid cuts to emissions. Given the incredible size of the Antarctic ice sheets, actions taken in the next decade, the researchers conclude, will reverberate for millennia.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Jun 14, 2018 - 06:51am PT
Malamute:
Do we do nothing and just try to live it up until the day of our demise, or do we try to stave off our extinction by changing things that we know contribute to climate change, like greenhouse gases?

Fair enough. Who's going car-free? No more road trips, bros. You sell your car yet? Until we take PERSONAL responsibility, as you say, it's all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Thanks.

I'm hear all week.

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xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 14, 2018 - 07:00am PT
on demand driverless rental car and truck and van are about to change the equasion about owning a vehicle
AntiChrist

Gym climber
Urth
Jun 14, 2018 - 08:27am PT

Fair enough. Who's going car-free?

Our society and infrastructure were purposefully centered around petroleum burning automobiles so certain fulks could get sick rich.

Personal responsibility is whore sh#t talk. We generate more electricity than we use and every time we take a car in the response is "wow, do you ever drive this thing" because the mileage is less than 1/4 what it "should" be.

Meanwhile, our asshat redneck trump supporting neighbors race up and down our street and through protected wetlands with their "coal rolling" piece of sh#t trucks, apparently proud of the black clouds of smoke they have engineered. Some idiots have been convinced, through identity politics and their own stupidity, that environmental degradation is something to be proud of. Personal responsibility is out of the question... those fools need regulation and enforcement.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jun 14, 2018 - 11:27am PT

Fair enough. Who's going car-free? No more road trips, bros. You sell your car yet? Until we take PERSONAL responsibility, as you say, it's all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

I salute those that take PERSONAL responsibility to try and change society for the better.

But for something like climate change, a few people making a few personal decisions isn't going to come close to solving the issue.

Society needs to take a COLLECTIVE issue to get serious.

For instance, I would support policies and politicians to make a real difference.

Ramping up a carbon tax would be a good start. Say over the next 20~30 years, have a carbon tax that ramps up to $100~$200 per ton of CO2 equivalent.

No picking winners or losers. Just sit back and watch the magic of the free market come up with solutions.

Making sure people can't game the system, for instance with fake offsets, is an issue. But I think that issue is far more tractable than the politics.
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