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Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jun 26, 2018 - 09:55pm PT
The Grand Dragon, Imperial Wizard, and Exalted Cyclops in charge of all climate denialism has a new campaign of lies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-public-transit.html
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 28, 2018 - 06:53pm PT
The study, which was conducted using an advanced climate model, shows that within 25 years the temperature from Alaska to Central America could be much warmer than it is now—a condition eerily reminiscent of the Blob, which caused mass carnage of marine life along North America’s Pacific coast from 2013 to 2016. The Blob reduced phytoplankton and zooplankton abundance, and caused mass die-offs of fish, marine mammals, and seabirds.

The difference between the Blob and this projected change is that the Blob came and went, says Eddy Carmack, a Canadian oceanographer who was not part of the study. This new research suggests the world is in for “a very, very different tropical ocean. And it’s permanent.

https://www.hakaimagazine.com/news/how-melting-arctic-ice-could-cook-the-tropics/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 29, 2018 - 09:22pm PT
Net-zero emissions energy systems

Here, we review the special challenges associated with an energy system that does not add any CO2 to the atmosphere (a net-zero emissions energy system). We discuss prominent technological opportunities and barriers for eliminating and/or managing emissions related to the difficult-to-decarbonize services; pitfalls in which near-term actions may make it more difficult or costly to achieve the net-zero emissions goal; and critical areas for research, development, demonstration, and deployment. It may take decades to research, develop, and deploy these new technologies.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaas9793.full
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 30, 2018 - 06:04am PT

A new study from Northwestern University and the Chicago Botanic Garden found that global warming could lead to extinction for bees in the southwestern U.S. and other naturally warm climates.

https://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2018/06/28/climate-change-could-kill-bees-northwestern-study-finds

https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1365-2435.13151
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jul 6, 2018 - 04:55pm PT

Global warming may be twice what climate models predict

Past warming events suggest climate models fail to capture true warming under business-as-usual scenarios

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180705110027.htm

https://phys.org/news/2018-06-lessons-future-warmer-world.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-018-0146-0
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jul 6, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
https://www.ted.com/talks/jennifer_wilcox_a_new_way_to_remove_co2_from_the_atmosphere
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jul 10, 2018 - 08:53pm PT

Heat waves bother you? Under Trump climate policies, add another 12°F
America faces monster 131°F heat waves in the coming decades



HEATWAVE RECORDS WERE CRUSHED IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA FRIDAY, JULY 6

https://thinkprogress.org/heat-waves-bother-you-under-trump-climate-policies-add-another-add-12f-fd4ef3ec514e/

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jul 10, 2018 - 09:06pm PT
I have been teaching Environmental Policy and Politics for more than 20 years and I have become convinced that environmental degradation in general and climate change in particular pose the preeminent, existential threat to the survival and well-being of the human species and countless other species as well. Climate change not only creates serious ecological, economic and health problems by itself but also exacerbates a whole array of other vexing conditions from poverty and acute inequality to illegal immigration, civil and ethnic strife, interstate conflicts and ultimately, I believe, the threat of nuclear war. Without getting control of climate change, it is going to become increasingly difficult for us and particularly for future generations to lead decent, healthy, civilized lives. To put it more bluntly, I am convinced that unless we drastically reduce the amount of CO2 (and other greenhouse gases) that we are now putting into the atmosphere, we are going to be royally, hellishly f**ked by climate change and its cascading, catastrophic consequences. That’s the thrust of my last lecture.

John Langton, Ph.D.

http://www.unalionsden.com/jnlsustainability/2016/12/lecture-fked-climate-change/
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Jul 10, 2018 - 09:29pm PT
I'm very concerned, and it is directly influencing my retirement planning. Those doomsday prepper people might be onto something, but not for the reasons they imagined.

I'm looking for high ground (something out of the 1000yr flood plain), without surrounding slopes that could slide, in a sufficient rainfall zone to have a water supply and ability to grow some food, at elevation high enough to not be 120 degrees all summer, but somewhat protected from forest fires.

I don't even know where that would be. I'm all ears if you have suggestions.
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Jul 10, 2018 - 10:42pm PT
CO2 sequestration?

Clean energy?

Dream on, people, because if you open your eyes, you will see the truth, and it’s very scary.

There is no sense of emergency as people are distracted by the little things, like illegal immigration or abortion.

Even if we come up with a plan within the next 10 years, It will be too late anyway.

Enjoy the life when you still can.

Moose
Lituya

Mountain climber
Jul 10, 2018 - 11:03pm PT
IMO, the only solution is an international treaty to phase out fossil fuel burning over the next 30-50 years. Start with internal combustion engines and move on to power plants. No "catch up" prescription for lagging economies e.g. Kyoto. Mandate new technology in stages.

Not sure how to solve the aviation problem. Or nitrogen-based fertilizer issue.

Like you said, it might be too late--but it's better than the present course.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 10, 2018 - 11:37pm PT
The kids who did this are the ones in charge of climate change policy in USA now:



Of course it's a very serious issue and I was opportunistic in sharing this awesome video here for some levity... but there is a moral lesson that transfers nicely.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jul 11, 2018 - 06:02am PT
Economist Joseph Stiglitz writes of climate change: “There is a point at which, once this harm occurs, it cannot be undone at any reasonable cost or in any reasonable period of time. Based on the best available science, our country is close to approaching that point.”

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/11072018/joseph-stiglitz-kids-climate-change-lawsuit-global-warming-costs-economic-impact

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 11, 2018 - 06:09am PT
I'm looking for high ground (something out of the 1000yr flood plain), without surrounding slopes that could slide, in a sufficient rainfall zone to have a water supply and ability to grow some food, at elevation high enough to not be 120 degrees all summer, but somewhat protected from forest fires.

I don't even know where that would be. I'm all ears if you have suggestions.

Go East, old man.

Virginia is nice.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 11, 2018 - 08:44am PT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north

Jul 10, 2018 - 08:53pm PT

Heat waves bother you? Under Trump climate policies, add another 12°F
America faces monster 131°F heat waves in the coming decades

Trump is to blame. Obviously.

Derp
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jul 11, 2018 - 10:45am PT
I agree with you, trumpy is indeed the most powerful single person presently stopping progress on climate policy. And is therefore now to blame.
Only the sketchy brained would think otherwise.

He is now pushing all the BS put out over the last 30 years by the kochs, exxons, inhofes, bushes, heatlands, alecs, repugs, crichtons, watts, pruitts, fauxspews, etc.

more top deniers:
https://www.beforetheflood.com/explore/the-deniers/top-10-climate-deniers/

https://www.ecowatch.com/climate-deniers-in-trump-administration-2518894384.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/climate/google-search-climate-change.html

https://ecowarriorprincess.net/2018/03/key-tactics-climate-change-deniers-use-how-counter-climate-denial/

http://redgreenandblue.org/2018/06/14/climate-change-deniers-dont-want-businesses-adapt-thats-bad-business/

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jul 11, 2018 - 04:14pm PT
CO2 sequestration?

Clean energy?

Dream on, people, because if you open your eyes, you will see the truth, and it’s very scary.

There is no sense of emergency as people are distracted by the little things, like illegal immigration or abortion.

Even if we come up with a plan within the next 10 years, It will be too late anyway.

Enjoy the life when you still can.

I think it is foolish to put all our hopes on some game-changing technology saving us. But it is certainly possible that some game-changing technology might.

I think a middle age, heavy smoker with early stages of emphysema is a reasonable analogy. Yes, we need to cold quit cigarettes. Cold quitting won't repair the damage already done. Going from 2 packs a day to 1 pack a day will slow the disease progression. Maybe it will buy time for new technology. Maybe it will just buy a little time to adjust to the new normal.

The world in general and the US in particular has a lot of wealth and technology. There is lot that could be done to mitigate effects. But I don't see that we will have the political will to do so. An example that I given before, the country should plan on abandoning southern Florida. If it was done over the next hundred years, it wouldn't cost as much in lost property and destroyed lives as if we let it repeatedly flood before suddenly deciding after one flood too many to not rebuild this time.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 11, 2018 - 04:20pm PT
There is no sense of emergency as people...

phagocytize their 10 trillionth burger.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jul 11, 2018 - 04:22pm PT
IMO, the only solution is an international treaty to phase out fossil fuel burning over the next 30-50 years. Start with internal combustion engines and move on to power plants. No "catch up" prescription for lagging economies e.g. Kyoto. Mandate new technology in stages.

Not sure how to solve the aviation problem. Or nitrogen-based fertilizer issue.

Like you said, it might be too late--but it's better than the present course.

There are some things that markets are very good at. We don't need to outlaw internal combustion engines or decide ahead of time how to solve aviation CO2 production.

You just steadily ramp up a tax on CO2 equivalent and the market will solve everyone of these problems for you.
Lituya

Mountain climber
Jul 11, 2018 - 05:29pm PT
^^Respectfully, this is a bad idea. Getting government addicted to the revenue a "carbon tax" would generate would only make them a bigger part of the problem than they are now.

Although it pains me to say it, mandates are a more effective solution here. As long as they are even-handed, well-defined, and universal.

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