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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 4, 2018 - 06:28am PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/02/03/white-house-to-withdraw-controversial-nominee-to-head-council-on-environmental-quality/?utm_term=.dfe7820963b9

Much of the mainstream scientific community agreed. In November, more than 300 scientists from around the country signed a letter urging the Senate to reject her confirmation. It cited her “dangerous” views about climate change, saying. “This is not a partisan issue; it is a matter of defending scientific integrity.” Confirming Harnett White, the group said, “would have serious consequences for people and the ecosystems of the only planet that can support us.”
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 7, 2018 - 01:47pm PT


http://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/maps/heres-where-winters-are-warming-the-most

https://robertscribbler.com/2018/02/07/whats-the-real-u-s-weather-story-for-fall-and-winter-of-2017-2018-abnormally-warm-abnormally-dry/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 7, 2018 - 01:57pm PT
Scientists find strong link between climate change and wildfires

https://phys.org/news/2018-02-scientists-strong-link-climate-wildfires.html
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 7, 2018 - 02:02pm PT
Found under NOBODY CARES ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING!



Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 7, 2018 - 02:20pm PT
January of 2018 began and ended with satellite-era record lows in Arctic sea ice extent, resulting in a new record low for the month.
Combined with low ice extent in the Antarctic, global sea ice extent is also at a record low.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2018/02/sea-ice-tracking-low-in-both-hemispheres/
xCon

Social climber
909
Feb 7, 2018 - 03:44pm PT
investment in renewables plateau's just as its cost fall below fossil fuels?!?!?!

somethings skew'd there...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 7, 2018 - 05:35pm PT
Just look at those hokey charts from Mr. ET. Ha, what a laugh.

If you really want to know what Bloomberg says, read their report from 2017:

https://about.bnef.com/clean-energy-investment/

Here's one quote:

World clean energy investment totaled $333.5 billion last year, up 3% from 2016 and the second highest annual figure ever, taking cumulative investment since 2010 to $2.5 trillion.
...
Solar investment globally amounted to $160.8 billion in 2017, up 18% on the previous year despite these cost reductions.


Looks like this Bloomberg Report has the real graphs:

https://europa.eu/capacity4dev/unep/documents/global-trends-renewable-energy-investment-2017

From this:

Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2017 finds that wind, solar, biomass and waste-to-energy, geothermal, small hydro and marine sources added 138.5 gigawatts to global power capacity in 2016, up 8 per cent from the 127.5 gigawatts added the year before. The added generating capacity roughly equals that of the world's 16 largest existing power producing facilities combined.

@EdwardT, from where do you get your fake news?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 7, 2018 - 05:38pm PT
I guess my retard neighbor didn’t get the memo.
“But I’m watering at night!”
“But I’m watering at night!”
Credit: Reilly

Pretty sure she’s part of ‘Jerry’s Gang’.
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Feb 7, 2018 - 05:39pm PT
EdwardT, can I ask you - Do you regularly watch Fox News? It's just a little survey that I need another data point for.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 7, 2018 - 06:57pm PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Feb 7, 2018 - 05:35pm PT
Just look at those hokey charts from Mr. ET. Ha, what a laugh.

Hokey charts?

The first shows how insignificant wind and solar power are in the big picture. Two percent of the total. That's yuge!!! "Stop the presses!"

The second shows a significant steady increase in renewable energy from 2004 to 2011, then a relative flat-line in growth over the last six years.

You claim "Bloomberg Report has the real graphs" and ask about my fake news.

Are the graphs I posted incorrect?

How so?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 12, 2018 - 09:23pm PT
Arctic Sea Ice Extent at Record Lows as Winter Temperatures Soar

https://robertscribbler.com/2018/02/12/arctic-sea-ice-extent-at-record-lows-as-winter-temperatures-soar/

Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 12, 2018 - 09:48pm PT
Have you noticed this underlying sense of tense excitement amongst us as we discuss the end of the world as we know it?

All this earnest angst makes me feel like a thirteen year old on the cusp of his first solo orgasm.

Or it could just be a retro REM song -



Do any of you really believe that "we" can fix this self-made mess?

The earth is just going to shake us off like a bad case of the fleas - your AI, VR and whatever be damned.

Nice violin there Nero.
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Feb 13, 2018 - 08:27am PT
Sea level rise is accelerating.


http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2018/02/06/1717312115.full.pdf


Significance

Satellite altimetry has shown that global mean sea level has been rising at a rate of ∼3 ± 0.4 mm/y since 1993. Using the altimeter record coupled with careful consideration of interannual and decadal variability as well as potential instrument errors, we show that this rate is accelerating at 0.084 ± 0.025 mm/y2, which agrees well with climate model projections. If sea level continues to change at this rate and acceleration, sea-level rise by 2100 (∼65 cm) will be more than double the amount if the rate was constant at 3 mm/y.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 13, 2018 - 11:33am PT
"The earth is just going to shake us off like a bad case of the fleas"

That's right. The "earth" doesn't care about humans any more than it did about the passenger pigeon. The "earth" doesn't care about the earth. Eventually it will burn up in the supernova.

There will be massive impacts on hundreds of millions of people, and everyone will be affected to some degree. This has already begun; however it will mostly occur gradually over the next 30-100 years. So let's all just stick our heads in the sand, and not worry about anyone else. Just like the federal debt. party on Galt!
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Feb 13, 2018 - 11:43am PT
Do any of you really believe that "we" can fix this self-made mess?

My analogy is that climate change is like the early stages of emphysema.

Is the patient going to cold turkey quite smoking. Probably not. But any reduction in the number of cigarettes a day gives the patient a better future than business as usual.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 13, 2018 - 12:41pm PT
Actual facts about growth in renewables.

https://www.iea.org/publications/renewables2017/

The growth in renewable power will be twice as large as gas and coal combined over the next five years, the IEA said. While that will take renewables’ share of electricity generation from 24% last year to 30% in 2022, coal will still be the biggest source of power.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/04/solar-power-renewables-international-energy-agency

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2018/01/solar-grabs-half-of-global-renewables-investment-in-2017-reaching-161-billion.html

https://www.nationofchange.org/2017/10/05/china-showing-world-renewable-energy-dominance-looks-like-says-new-iea-report/

India targets
https://www.wri.org/sites/default/files/uploads/India_Energy_Map_v4-03.png


Even in the USA, from 2010 to 2016, in quadrillion BTUs,
solar went from .08 to .61
wind went from .88 to 2.14
These are massive percentage increases, especially considering most areas continue to be highly pro-fossil fuels in their policies.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/images/charts/energy_consumption_by_source_large.jpg
https://www.eia.gov/renewable/annual/preliminary/images/figure_1.jpg

https://flowcharts.llnl.gov/content/energy/energy_archive/energy_flow_2010/LLNLUSEnergy2010.pdf

https://www.llnl.gov/news/americans-used-more-clean-energy-2016

Of course, Actual growth in renewables will continue to lag behind where it should be wherever there is no proper carbon tax (revenue neutral).
Any stall in USA renewable energy growth is because the no-nothings are in charge in most areas. That says nothing about what could be done if the idiots were not running the circus. Additionally, since the cost of wind and solar has already dropped dramatically, some leveling off in dollars does not indicate any leveling off in kilowatt hours.

On 8 Jan 2018, the US federal energy regulatory commission rejected a plan by the Donald Trump-led US administration to provide subsidies for coal-fired and nuclear power plants. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jan/08/donald-trump-coal-industry-plan-rejected-rick-perry

California is an example of what is possible in renewable energy growth.

"California is on track to reach 50% of their renewable energy goal ten years ahead of schedule, according to the California Public Utilities Commission RPS (Renewable Portfolio Standard) report, released back in November. The state’s primary utilities have already met (or are about to exceed) their renewable energy target of 33% by 2020 and is on track to hit their 2030 goal of 50% by 2020, far surpassing any other state in the union.

The big three utilities- Pacific Gas and Electric Co. (PG&E), Southern California Edison (SCE), and San Diego Gas & Electric Co. (SDG&E), all surpassed the 25% requirement to meet the 2016 goal. The breakdown is as follows:
-PG&E accounted for 32.9% of renewable energy produced electricity.
-SCE accounted for 28.2% of renewable energy produced electricity.
-SDG&E accounted for the highest with 43.2% of renewable energy produced electricity.

According to the RPS, all three companies predict they will meet or exceed their 2020 compliance goals before the target date, which is impressive considering the RPS program has also reduced the cost of renewables with solar falling 77% (from 2008 to 2016) and wind dropping by 47% (from 2007 to 2015). The state began their endeavor to ‘go green,’ requiring energy utilities to increase their use of renewables back in 2002. Current Governor Brown and former Governator Schwarzenegger ramped-up the initiative for cleaner energy over time, which led to the RPS program, with Brown touting California’s ability to “boost renewable power and lower emissions while growing it’s economy,” according to a November article by San Francisco Chronicle.

That being said, California’s emissions have been declining since 2008 and are expected to continue over the next few decades before the state’s electrical production comes from 100% renewable energy by 2045.

https://www.element14.com/community/groups/power-management/blog/2018/02/13/california-on-track-to-meet-green-energy-goals-a-decade-early

WBraun

climber
Feb 13, 2018 - 12:49pm PT
Do any of you really believe that "we" can fix this self-made mess?

Everything can be fixed ultimately.

But only when you behave.

In this day and age, 90% do not behave and thus suffer the effects of those consequences.

We are NOT the owners of this planet, we are not even the owners of our own material bodies.

We are all basically operating in illusion.

Even the so-called scientists .......
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 15, 2018 - 03:55pm PT
First ship crosses Arctic in winter without an icebreaker as global warming causes ice sheets to melt

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/arctic-sea-route-first-ship-no-icebreaker-winter-icebergs-ice-shelf-teekay-russia-a8208596.html

Robert L

climber
Feb 15, 2018 - 04:17pm PT
My guess is that the petroleum companies have successfully shut us up about it because the dumbasses that believe that it isn't true wear us out with their idiotic reasoning about why it isn't true.

1. It's cheaper for China and India to build new engineering solutions, than for the U.S. and Europe to retrofit their own old ones. That's the underlying reasoning that the U.S. and other countries are taking to the internatiobal accord. Trump's puppet masters likely argue that what is fair should be informed by who would have to pay more, and who would benefit more so.

2 U.S. and European Citizens don't want to pay more for 'renewable' energy, and don't want to substitute their animal product intake for substitutes.

3. People who do not support climate change, are no less 'smarter at reasoning' than many who do acknowledge climate change.

4. Citizen consensus requires a move towards shifting people's priorities. Doubtful this will be realised in time. The solution is for decisions to be made by the technocrats and enforced by government, irrespective of the voting public's mood.
Robert L

climber
Feb 15, 2018 - 04:22pm PT
My analogy is that climate change is like the early stages of emphysema.

Is the patient going to cold turkey quite smoking. Probably not. But any reduction in the number of cigarettes a day gives the patient a better future than business as usual.

Law of diminishing returns, and how secondary effects impact body systems, suggest that reducing (instead of ceasing) smoking, will have minimal positive impact on one's quality of life. Moreover, a half-assed effort will probably increase cognitive dissonance.
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