Climate Change: Why aren't more people concerned about it?

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wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 21, 2018 - 03:24pm PT
Yes,The John Burch Society ,Heartland ,Koch brothers ,at least the Russians sources are consistent.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 21, 2018 - 03:25pm PT


Insane levels of warmth relentlessly invade the Arctic during February — hammering the sea ice and wrecking havoc on local environments. Image source: Climate Reanalyzer

https://robertscribbler.com/2018/02/21/north-pole-region-predicted-to-experience-another-instance-of-above-freezing-temperatures-as-the-bering-sea-ice-is-blasted-away/
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Feb 21, 2018 - 03:40pm PT
Go to the home pages on all of those sites in BobS google search. It is obvious from the rest of their content that they are all, except for the Facebook post, a bunch of wack-job denier sites. And if all you get is wack-job denier sites when you search for “Michael Mann contempt” then anyone with half a brain should realize it is complete bullshit fake news.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 21, 2018 - 04:00pm PT
But but but ,we are dogmatic,those sources are free thinking.....lol
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 21, 2018 - 05:07pm PT
move the sliders by dragging the white arrows to see glacier loss on Mt. Rainier

http://www.washingtonnature.org/fieldnotes/critical-mass-washingtons-shrinking-glaciers
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 21, 2018 - 08:31pm PT
‘How weird is that?’ Temperatures in Arctic soar 45 degrees above normal.

As warm air spills into the Arctic from all sides, the world’s northernmost weather station experienced more than 24 hours of temperatures above freezing.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 21, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
Why are so many Americans afraid that Climate Change science is legit...No god wills it comments...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 21, 2018 - 09:16pm PT
new world...Yeah...Love that sh#t...Just downed some 5 bridges tri-tip and heading for the toilet...Back for more soon...rotting colon
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Feb 21, 2018 - 09:20pm PT
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Gunks Ray

Trad climber
Gunks
Feb 22, 2018 - 09:48am PT
71 today , broke a 1996 record of 62 ,which broke a record of 48 in 1924.


February, all snowpack is gone.

willbeer

It was 73 deg when I got to Hunter Ski area yesterday morning, off of the man made runs everything is brown, no snow at all. I left the sun roof and windows cracked in my car so it wouldn't get to hot.....in February!!!!

On the drive back to the Gunks my car thermometer hit 80 at 4pm!!!!

In NYC it hit 77, broke the old record by 9deg, hottest day ever recorded in February there.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 22, 2018 - 10:13am PT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 22, 2018 - 10:54am PT




Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Feb 22, 2018 - 10:58am PT
Why are so many Americans afraid that Climate Change science is legit...

Probably because most don't want to live in the utopia portrayed in this video....


This really encapsulates the problem, though nwo is an extreme example.

People that deny anthropomorphic climate change do so not because they are necessarily anti-science, but because they cannot accept the implications of the science.

The implication that we will have to restrain the infinite growth that capitalism demands and to mitigate corporate externalities or else future generations will suffer catastrophic consequences is anathema to them, so they either deny that the earth is warming, or that humans are causing it, or they posit that a warming earth will be a new Eden, with some minor inconveniences.

Science for them is not a tool for understanding, but a cudgel to beat their opponents, so they go off searching and posting anything scandalacious or sciency-sounding.

Or in nwo's case searching and posting some crazy, paranoid, grand conspiracy nut-jobbery.
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Feb 22, 2018 - 11:29am PT
What’s your point ET?

One chart shows world and U.S. total co2 emissions have been rising.

Your second chart shows per capita emissions in the U.S. have been declining.

So our increases in efficiency and cleaner fuels is not keeping up with the increased emissions related to population growth.

Anything else?

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 22, 2018 - 11:36am PT
So much heat generated summer-like conditions across the U.S. East. From the mid Atlantic to the northeast, temperature records last set as far back as the late 1800s were shattered. Washington DC saw 82 degree (F) temps. Vermont shattered several of its all-time record highs for February. Massachusetts saw temps hit 80 in Fitchburg. While New York’s Central Park also broke its all-time record of 68 F as the mercury struck 78 degrees yesterday. It was the strongest outbreak of heat ever to strike the northeastern section of the U.S. since record-keeping began back in the late 19th Century. Temperatures there were more typical of June and far less so of February.

https://robertscribbler.com/2018/02/22/polar-warming-translates-south-as-june-like-high-pressure-ridge-brings-record-smashing-temperatures-to-eastern-u-s-in-february/
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 22, 2018 - 11:38am PT
From 2008

"We've already reached the dangerous level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere," James Hansen, 67, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, told AFP here.

"But there are ways to solve the problem" of heat-trapping greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide, which Hansen said has reached the "tipping point" of 385 parts per million.

One chart shows world and U.S. total co2 emissions have been rising.

The global chart shows US and European emissions have been relatively level since the 90s (actually, both have declined over the last decade), while China and the rest of the World have been steadily increasing output.

Unless we can get China and the rest of the World on board, any effort to reduce atmospheric CO2 levels will be in vain.
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Feb 22, 2018 - 12:09pm PT
The global chart shows US and European emissions have been relatively level since the 90 (actually, both have declined over the last decade),

We have not been increasing at the rate of China, but if you look at that chart and see a decline or flatness you must have some kink in your neck that keeps your head tilted to the right.

But if you mean that U.S. emissions have slowed their increase, though still increasing, the way Obamacare slowed the still increasing, but less meteoric rise of healthcare costs, then okay . . .
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 22, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
yep there's a pause in there fer sure
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 22, 2018 - 01:13pm PT
I was thinking of writing a lengthy post about climate change denial being completely unscientific nonsense, but then geochemist and National Science Board member James Lawrence Powell wrote a post that is basically a slam-dunk of debunking. His premise was simple: If global warming isn’t real and there’s an actual scientific debate about it, that should be reflected in the scientific journals.

He looked up how many peer-reviewed scientific papers were published in professional journals about global warming, and compared the ones supporting the idea that we’re heating up compared to those that don’t. What did he find? This:



Oh my. Powell looked at 13,950 articles. Out of all those reams of scientific results, how many disputed the reality of climate change?

Twenty-four. Yup. Two dozen. Out of nearly 14,000.

Now I know some people will just say that this is due to mainstream scientists suppressing controversy and all that, but let me be succinct: That’s bull. Science thrives on dissenting ideas, it grows and learns from them. If there is actual evidence to support an idea, it gets published. I can point out copious examples in my own field of astronomy where papers get published about all manners of against-the-mainstream thinking, some of which come to conclusions that, in my opinion, are clearly wrong.

So let this be clear: There is no scientific controversy over this. Climate change denial is purely, 100 percent made-up political and corporate-sponsored crap. When the loudest voices are fossil-fuel funded think tanks, when they don’t publish in journals but instead write error-laden op-eds in partisan venues, when they have to manipulate the data to support their point, then what they’re doing isn’t science.

It’s nonsense. And worse, it’s dangerous nonsense. Because they’re fiddling with the data while the world burns.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2012/12/11/climate_change_denial_why_don_t_they_publish_scientific_papers.html

https://www.desmogblog.com/2012/11/15/why-climate-deniers-have-no-credibility-science-one-pie-chart
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 22, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
24 out of 13950 is 0.17 percent

So let's dispel this notion that only 97% of climate scientists agree

We can now use the figure 99.93% of the climate scientists agree on the cause of global warming
and the 0.17% are paid shills for the fossil fuel companies
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