Climate Change: Why aren't more people concerned about it?

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thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:29am PT
Answer me this, umpteen thousands of years ago, when a majority of the earth was covered in ice, what caused it to start melting?

You ask this of people that actually happen to have a pretty good answer for you, yet your surliness and certitude that combustion of 2.7 million gallons of oil per minute has nothing to do with changes to the earth's atmosphere and climate preclude a serious answer.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:32am PT
I agree Snagglepuss.

What do we DO?

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:33am PT
less burning of hydrocarbons would be a good start Chaz
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:35am PT
enhance access to education -> lower rates of reproduction -> diminished (or at least not so rapidly growing) pool of users

cut off federal subsidy to the extractors, transfer subsidy to non-hydrocarbon energy generation/storage/transport tech.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:38am PT
You too, Curt.

What do you DO?

My opinion would be to move away from fossil fuels to other forms of energy as quickly as possible. Wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, etc. I would even give nuclear energy another look for baseload generation. Not an easy task--but certainly doable.

Curt
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:38am PT
global warming is Trump's warm love shining down on all of us!

praise Lord Trump!
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:38am PT
an economic model in which growth (market as a prison) is not requisite might help. a bit late now, I agree
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:44am PT
^yep, that's the problem, we do live at a desirable standard. perhaps educating those that are reproducing most rapidly would help, as suggested.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:46am PT
What do we do about the other 95% of humanity?

I'll bet humanity is fairly agnostic with regard to where their energy comes from.

Curt
snagglepuss

Mountain climber
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:49am PT
Chaz,

What we do is ...
We stop denying and continue taking baby steps toward a cleaner future.

Climbing El Cap seems daunting when standing at the bottom looking up. Many choose Jody's & Dingus's route and bail. But move by move, pitch by pitch, if you continue upward you will alwaysUnderlined arrive at the top.

What we do is make the first move up ... and then continue. Baby steps without quitting.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:54am PT
perhaps educating those that are reproducing most rapidly would help, as suggested.

From what I've seen of the have-nots they want what we have and they want it NOW!
And China and India, despite merrily signing climate accords, seemingly have no intention
of actively participating. Show me a catalytic converter on a car over there and I'll show you
a thousand without one.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:56am PT
Educate their wimmen and their wimmen will want real lives rather than pumping out 37 chillins.



And I totally hear you about the tragedy of the commons.

Fewer chillins, living at a higher standard, could enhance the likelihood of a more reasonable use of the commons
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 4, 2016 - 07:57am PT
I agree, Cowboy, but the wimmen over yonder don't have much say in the matter.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 4, 2016 - 08:01am PT
I hear you. Cultural mores complicate it for sure. Educating their men will likely help relax that sex-restricted access to education, self-determination. I always thought that Taliban-type f*#kers could be addressed with mass LSD poisoning and aerial distribution of pornography

I'm really trying to be optimistic here, to forego the doom and gloom that helps me to do the runouts. :-)



And heck yeah DMT! I'm all for it! Just not in Green River, unless I'm selling 'em some key system components.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 4, 2016 - 08:05am PT
Wimmen are the key to changing the Third World. They're the ones doing the micro-bank
thang, community and reproductive health, and violence against themselves. It's an uphill
battle for sure.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 4, 2016 - 08:17am PT
Ultimately all of these problems will be address with a massive calamity that reduces the human population, quality/duration of life. This is the 10,000 year rule and it comforts me when I see a shitty Pamper on the beach, or confront just how fractured and intractable even the much-idealized American system of governance, political/public deliberation stands.

F*#k it man, why would I work today when I can go find that two-track off a certain dirt road and dance in bodily harmony with the earth as she is on this glorious day? Never had the rhythm for proper dancehall leading with human partners anyway. Let's go bowling.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 4, 2016 - 08:22am PT
I don't stress on it. I go bowling and work to enhance the discourse in my little community here in my town. I think that talking about it is a good thing. I owe Jody a thank-you for starting the thread. And an apology, some day.







"There is nothing much we individuals can do about it, other than some measures like outlawing plastic bags." I am not so sure about this: my partner does not drive, she does not eat meat, and her career is dedicated to furthering the discourse. It's all wrapped up in how much you: 1) believe it is a problem that we are morally obligated to address, 2) take steps in your own life to do so. Baby steps, as the man says.

As a taxpayer I support money for the Train to Nowhere over more public money for the Train to Oceanic Acidification.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 4, 2016 - 08:27am PT
"How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Population Explosion and Then It Blew Up In My Face."

Read it. It changed my life. Not many copies available. Tough to find. No, you cannot have mine and I don't lend books. Find your own.

And get the hell off my lawn!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 4, 2016 - 08:28am PT
Why aren't more people concerned about it?

It doesn't directly impact anyone. It's not tangible. And the effort required to reduce CO2 levels would require global cooperation. Most people realize that's undoable.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 4, 2016 - 08:30am PT
"It doesn't directly impact anyone. It's not tangible" Tell it to the dudes going underwater in the S Pacific?



"And the effort required to reduce CO2 levels would require global cooperation. Most people realize that's undoable" This is an interesting iteration of my "F*#k it dude, let's go bowling" approach. Your attitude is the same as that in the Chinese smelters, that of the biggest polluters in Asia. It's the "I'm getting mine, f*#k the commons, and f*#k you" strategy. It works. For you.




The fact is, Polio was impossible. Infections were impossible. Climate change is impossible?

This is generationally rooted:
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