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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 12, 2018 - 09:24am PT
NOAA recaps 2017’s near-biblical collection of weather extremes
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/01/noaa-weather-events-made-2017-a-year-of-extremes/

Dangerous climate change: Myths and reality
http://www.climatecodered.org/2014/08/dangerous-climate-change-myths-and.html
http://www.climatecodered.org/2014/08/dangerous-climate-change-myths-and_23.html
http://www.climatecodered.org/2014/08/dangerous-climate-change-myths-and_24.html

What would 3 degrees mean?
http://www.climatecodered.org/2010/09/what-would-3-degrees-mean.html

On 6 degrees of climate change
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/21/opinions/sutter-6-degrees-climate/index.html


Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 12, 2018 - 09:49am PT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 12, 2018 - 10:08am PT
Gotta love the NOAA.

Here's their Winter temp forecast.



The temperature outlook shown above indicates above-average temperatures across the southern US, extending northward out West through the central Rockies and all the way up to Maine in the eastern part of the nation.

With that kind of accuracy for the three month outlook, I definitely trust their guestimates for the distant future.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 12, 2018 - 10:21am PT
it will be interesting to look at the end of February how the October 2017 prediction fared

keep an eye on this:
https://www.climate.gov/maps-data/data-snapshots/tempoutlook-monthly-cpc-2017-12-31?theme=Temperature
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 12, 2018 - 11:27am PT
Importantly, the cooling of our upper atmosphere is further evidence of the human fingerprint on our climate, particularly with respect to global warming. If surface warming were resulting from increasing solar energy, we would actually expect the upper atmosphere to be warming too!

http://www.theclimateconsensus.com/content/satellite-data-show-a-cooling-trend-in-the-upper-atmosphere-so-much-for-global-warming-right
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 12, 2018 - 11:45am PT
The Unified Model is a Numerical Weather Prediction and climate modeling software suite originally developed by the United Kingdom Met Office, and now both used and further developed by many weather-forecasting agencies around the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Model

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/modelling-systems/unified-model

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/BAMS-D-12-00018.1



https://www.nap.edu/read/13430/chapter/16#198
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 12, 2018 - 01:15pm PT
Credit: Malemute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2vWNDNW4BA


moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Jan 12, 2018 - 05:48pm PT
The real tragedy here is warmer winters in the Lake Tahoe area.

I was hoping to spend the rest of my days in Minden skiing.

Bad, real bad.

Moose
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 18, 2018 - 06:27pm PT


This rate of warming is approximately 30 to 50 times faster than the warming that ended the last ice age.

https://robertscribbler.com/2018/01/18/2017-second-hottest-year-on-record-as-climate-troubles-escalate/
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Jan 18, 2018 - 08:31pm PT
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This map shows Earth’s average global temperature from 2013 to 2017, as compared to a baseline average from 1951 to 1980, according to an analysis by NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Yellows, oranges, and reds show regions warmer than the baseline.

Credits: NASA’s Scientific Visualization Studio





https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/long-term-warming-trend-continued-in-2017-nasa-noaa
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2018 - 08:19am PT
Insurers: Canadian weather getting wetter, hotter and weirder

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/insurers-canadian-weather-getting-wetter-hotter-and-weirder-1.3768986
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Jan 21, 2018 - 01:04pm PT
Mike Rowe said it better than I ever could.

Courtesy of The Daily Caller:

TV host Mike Rowe is known for his measured, devastating take-downs of people who attack him or his work. He has perfected the art of subtly twisting the knife in the side of critics with calm, cool language.

This skill was on display Thursday when Rowe responded to a woman criticized his politics on Facebook.

Rowe narrates the show “How The Universe Works” on the Science Channel. The woman, Rebecca Bright, called Rowe an “anti-education, science doubting, ultra-right wing conservative” who should be fired.

“I love the show How the Universe Works, but I’m lost on how the producers and the Science Channel can allow anti-education, science doubting, ultra-right wing conservative Mike Rowe to narrate the show,” Bright wrote, according to Rowe. “There are countless scientists that should be hired for that, or actors, if you must, that believe in education and science that would sound great narrating the show, example: Morgan Freeman. Cancel this fools contract and get any of your scientists so often on the show to narrate it.”




In his response, Rowe started off by exhibiting his knowledge of the subject of the show and killing Rebecca with kindness:


Well hi there, Rebecca. How’s it going?

First of all, I’m glad you like the show. “How the Universe Works” is a terrific documentary series that I’ve had the pleasure of narrating for the last six seasons. I thought this week’s premiere was especially good. It was called, “Are Black Holes Real?” If you didn’t see it, spoiler alert….no one knows!!!

It’s true. The existence of Black Holes has never been proven. Some cosmologists are now convinced they don’t exist at all, and the race to prove their actuality has become pretty intense. Why? Because so much of what we think we know about the cosmos depends upon them. In other words, the most popular explanations as to how the universe actually works, are based upon the existence of a thing that no one has been able to prove.

As I’m sure you know, it’s OK to make assumptions based on theories. In fact, it’s critical to progress. But it’s easy these days to confuse theory with fact. Thanks to countless movies and television shows that feature Black Holes as a plot device, and many documentaries that bring them to life with gorgeous CGI effects and dramatic music, a lot of people are under the assumption that Black Holes are every bit as real as the Sun and the Moon. Well, maybe they are, and maybe they aren’t. We just don’t know. That’s why I enjoyed this week’s show so much. It acknowledged the reasons we should question the existence of something that many assume to be “settled science.” It invited us to doubt.

Oftentimes, on programs like these, I’m asked to re-record a passage that’s suddenly rendered inaccurate by the advent of new information. Sometimes, over the course of just a few days. That’s how fast the information changes. Last year for instance, on an episode called “Galaxies,” the original script – carefully vetted by the best minds in physics – claimed there were approximately one hundred billion galaxies in the known universe. A hundred billion! (Not a typo.) I couldn’t believe it when I read it. I mean, the Milky Way alone has something like 400 billion stars! Andromeda has a trillion! How many stars must there be in a universe, with a hundred billion galaxies? Mind-boggling, right?

Well, a few weeks later, the best minds in physics came together again, and determined that the total number of galaxies in the universe was NOT in fact, a hundred billion. They were off. Not by a few thousand, or a few million, or few billion, or even a few hundred billion. The were off by two trillion. That’s right…TWO TRILLION!! But here’s the point, Rebecca – when I narrate this program, it doesn’t matter if I’m correct or incorrect – I always sound the same. And guess what? So do the experts.

Rowe then slowly turned his keyboard to Rebecca’s idea that he should be fired because doesn’t “believe in education and science,” and it gets brutal:


When I wrote about this discrepancy, people became upset. They thought I was making fun of science. They thought I was suggesting that because physicists were off by one trillion, nine hundred billion galaxies, all science was suddenly suspect, and no claims could be trusted. In general, people like you accused me of “doubting science.” Which is a curious accusation, since science without doubt isn’t science at all.

This is an important point. If I said I was skeptical that a supernatural being put us here on Earth, you’d be justified in calling me a “doubter of religion.” But if I said I was skeptical that manmade global warming was going to melt the icecaps, that doesn’t make me a “doubter of science.” Once upon a time, the best minds in science told us the Sun revolved around the Earth. They also told us the Earth was flat, and that a really bad fever could be cured by blood-letting. Happily, those beliefs were questioned by skeptical minds, and we moved forward. Science is a wonderful thing, and a critical thing. But without doubt, science doesn’t advance. Without skepticism, we have no reason to challenge the status quo. Anyway, enough pontificating. Let’s consider for a moment, your very best efforts to have me fired.

You’ve called me an “ultra-right wing conservative,” who is both “anti-education,” and “science-doubting.” Interestingly, you offer no proof. Odd, for a lover of science. So I challenge you to do so now. Please provide some evidence that I am in fact the person you’ve described. And by evidence, I don’t mean a sentence taken out of context, or a meme that appeared in your newsfeed, or a photo of me standing next to a politician or a talk-show host you don’t like. I mean actual proof of what you claim I am.

Also, please bear in mind that questioning the cost of a college degree does not make me “anti-education.” Questioning the existence of dark-matter does not make me a “dark-matter denier.” And questioning the wisdom of a universal $15 minimum wage doesn’t make me an “ultra-right wing conservative.” As for Morgan Freeman, I agree. He’s a terrific narrator, and a worthy replacement. But remember, Morgan played God on the big screen. Twice. Moreover, he has publicly claimed to be a “believer.” (gasp!) Should this disqualify him from narrating a series that contradicts the Bible at every turn? If not, why not?

Anyway, Rebecca, my beef with your post comes down to this – if you go to my boss and ask her to fire me because you can’t stand the sound of my voice, I get it. Narrators with unpleasant voices should probably look for other work anyway, and if enough people share your view, no hard feelings – I’ll make room for Morgan. But if you’re trying to get me fired simply because you don’t like my worldview, well then, I’m going to fight back. Partly because I like my job, and partly because you’re wrong about your assumptions, but mostly because your tactics typify a toxic blend of laziness and group-think that are all too common today – a hot mess of hashtags and intolerance that deepen the chasm currently dividing our country.

Re-read your own post, and think about your actual position. You’ve publicly asked a network to fire the narrator of a hit show because you might not share his personal beliefs. Don’t you think that’s kind of…extraordinary? Not only are you unwilling to engage with someone you disagree with – you can’t even enjoy a show you claim to love if you suspect the narrator might not share your view of the world! Do you know how insular that makes you sound? How fragile?

I just visited your page, and read your own description of you. It was revealing. It says, “I stand my ground. I fear no one & nothing. I have & will fight for what’s right.”

Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t think the ground you’re standing on is worth defending. If you truly fear “no one & nothing,” it’s not because you’re brave; it’s because you’re unwilling to expose yourself to ideas that frighten you. And while I can see that you like to fight for what you think is “right” (in this case, getting people fired that you disagree with,) one could easily say the same thing about any other misguided, garden-variety bully.

In other words, Rebecca, I don’t think you give a damn about science. If I’m wrong, prove it. Take a step back and be skeptical about your own assumptions. Take a moment to doubt your own words, and ask yourself – as any good scientist would – if you’ve got your head up a black hole.

Having said all that, I think you’re gonna love next week’s episode. It’s called Multiple Stars! Check it out, Tuesdays at 10pm, on Science.

Best,
Mike
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Jan 21, 2018 - 01:32pm PT
I agree with the gist of Mike Rowe's comments. Science is never "settled".

That said, those who ignore data - the mounds and mounds of it - are not exactly enlightened.

But, please buy a Tesla. My employer and I will thank you. The electrification of transportation will be the next driver for copper consumption, so have at it.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Jan 21, 2018 - 02:00pm PT
"Mounds and mounds" of what data?
Climbert

climber
the t is silent
Jan 21, 2018 - 02:19pm PT
Yay Jody! I love how you are so smart! Did you see all the other smart people who are also so wise and post at WUWT? There are so many fact those elitists are covering up. The earth was cold 20000 years ago and will be obviously be cold again soon.
MAGA,
Bert
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Jan 21, 2018 - 03:13pm PT
Never heard of WUWT. Also, I like your response and how it actually addresses my post. Thanks.


BTW, it is Mike Rowe who is smart, I never claimed to be.
Climbert

climber
the t is silent
Jan 21, 2018 - 03:55pm PT
Oh don't be modest.
Only a smart man could seek out and find such genius as John Coleman, and Mike Rowe, the lonely voices of wisdom who know that the 99% consensus is an elitist sham. After all, who makes more profit, Exxon or NASA. Obviously Exxon is smarter.
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Jan 21, 2018 - 05:29pm PT
Hell, Jody, Ed has put some of it up on this thread.

The truth is out there.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Jan 21, 2018 - 05:29pm PT
99% consensus

99% consensus of what? (And I think you mean 97%)

Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Jan 21, 2018 - 05:32pm PT
You deny the planet is heating up?
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