Climate Change: Why aren't more people concerned about it?

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monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 22, 2018 - 07:35pm PT
That's high praise, coming from mystic boy.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 22, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
In the 70's it was worry about a coming ice age

Nope. Cue the Time magazine meme.

Jody can sure pack in the myths.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 22, 2018 - 08:05pm PT
When GW took a 15 year pause...

it didn't take a pause

No hard evidence humans cause anything, just assumptions based on circumstantial evidence.

there is hard evidence, but you have to actually be able to understand the evidence to know

monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 22, 2018 - 08:25pm PT
Yes, it's a giant conspiracy.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 22, 2018 - 08:45pm PT
Oh my, we'll never be able to convince Jody now. Someone called him a very mean name.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 22, 2018 - 08:56pm PT
If there was hard evidence...why is there all this squawking about "consensus of opinions"?

the squawking isn't coming from the scientific community, they are in agreement over the essential issues involving climate change

Why are there credible scientists who disagree with the "hard evidence"?

this happens in many fields of science, disagreements are not an indication of validity. disagreements are resolvable by doing experiments and making observations.

There are a lot of scientists who don't buy the human-caused climate change idea.

not many who are practicing climate science

Data has been manipulated, collection points for the data has been manipulated to fit the claims, etc. What a load of crapola you people are trying to foist on us.

these are allegations that have been shown to be false many times over.

Why are you trolling this thread?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 22, 2018 - 09:15pm PT
the date of that article is 15 January 2014

Certainly at that time there were a lot of questions, and even disagreements in the science community over whether or not this made sense, the "hiatus" in warming.

A large number of papers addressed the issue in a scientific manner, trying to understand the temperature time series.

Among the many issues that were brought to light were:

1) under estimation of the Arctic warming (where there are few sites monitoring surface and sea temperatures);

2) natural variability and natural cycles that were unresolved in the then current models, volcanic aerosols for instance (which cannot be predicted);

3) cold biased data which was a result in changes to the observer network

Basically, when scientists addressed the "hiatus" as a scientific issue, they tracked down all the various issues that led to it. In the end they found that there was no actual hiatus.

The temperatures of 2016 and 2017 certainly are much higher than you'd have expected from the "hiatus" explanation, and 2017 was a La Nina year, expected to be much cooler.

These sorts of issues, disagreements, skeptical comments are addressed with more scientific analysis.

But you have to keep up, if you read stale blogs on the web your information is out of date and likely to be irrelevant to the current discussion.
Krease

Gym climber
the inferno
Jan 22, 2018 - 09:15pm PT
Fatty Fuktard was mad he didn't get to go golfing this weekend. Declared war on solar panels and washing machines. Wonder if he'll impose tariffs on all the products his shoddy corporation manufactures overseas?
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Jan 22, 2018 - 09:20pm PT
Jody you are not a skeptic. You are more like Rebecca in that article you posted than you realize.

You are not debating as an honest participant. You already have your mind made up.

No matter what is presented to you, if it doesn’t fit your vision of what is America’s God-given destiny of infinite capitalistic growth, you will reject it.

Quit acting as if there is something wrong with the evidence. You just don’t want it to be true, so you will never accept the evidence, never accept that humans are the cause of global warming, no matter how strong the evidence, because you know you could never accept the implications that come with that.

Just admit that it isn’t about what is most likely, it’s about what you want.

You’ve been trolling on this topic the same way for years. For once just be honest about your position. You are no Mike Rowe, you are Rebecca; not in your politics, but in your attitude.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 22, 2018 - 09:20pm PT
Whatever Ed, go back to slapping each other on the back and telling each other how smart you all are.

Pathetic.


look, Jody, I have addressed your questions, if you don't like the answers that's your issue, but certainly I've taken the time to try to explain them.

I do get paid to think, that's essentially my job, and I believe that I have been good at it over the years on a lot of different topics. It seems foolish of you to not recognize that there are smart people (and I'm not the smartest of them by a stretch) and they are contributing to the well being of the country.

We all make contributions, among them are trying to explain what we do.

Perhaps it is pathetic that I would even try to here, because of people like you who seem to take offense.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 22, 2018 - 11:20pm PT
"I do get paid to think". Yeah, sure Ed. As long as you espouse the party line. Pathetic.
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Jan 23, 2018 - 09:42am PT
Ahh, there’s Rick Sumner, another cognitive dissonance-phobic, confirmation bias-philic hack with zero credibility—go back into your hole, as#@&%e.
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Jan 23, 2018 - 10:42am PT
Study shows that Christians are caring less and less about environmental causes.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180123113020.htm
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jan 23, 2018 - 11:42am PT
All of the skeptics questions were already answered long ago.
-hiatus, -70s magazine, -quotes from quacks and paid deniers like spencer, monckton, singer.

Why are you deniers deliberately ignorant and unable to read?
Why do you think your opinion matters when science has found conclusive evidence proving AGW?
Why do you keep asking the same questions which Chuff asked 10 years ago, and were already answered?
Why do you like to present yourselves as idiots?
Why do you hate the environment?


eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Jan 23, 2018 - 11:53am PT
Is there anything that could be discovered in the future that could possibly change Jody's or Rick Sumner's minds? I highly doubt it, regardless of how compelling. They will be denying to the end, no doubt. Alternatively, if something new was discovered by science that indicated say, a buffering agent that mitigated climate change and had been previously overlooked, then I have no doubt that this would reverberate through the scientific community and reshape climate scientists' beliefs.

I would like to see a survey of all climate change deniers correlated with watching Fox News. My guess is the correlation would be very high.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jan 23, 2018 - 11:59am PT
Here is just a tiny fraction of the real information about the paid DISCREDITED deniers and misinformers:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/feb/21/nazis-climate-contrarian-credibility-gap

https://www.beforetheflood.com/explore/the-deniers/top-10-climate-deniers/

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/12032015/leaked-email-reveals-whos-who-list-climate-denialists-merchants-of-doubt-oreskes-fred-singer-marc-morano-steve-milloy

https://www.desmogblog.com/global-warming-denier-database

https://rogerfjellstadolsen.blogspot.com/2017/10/yes-all-climate-denier-darlings.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy-spencer-peabody-energy_us_57601e12e4b053d43306535e

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/jan/06/climate-change-climate-change-scepticism
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Jan 23, 2018 - 03:57pm PT
I've got it! The non-deniers have all of the good scientists on their side. I say, let's put some of them to work on creating killer memes that can be sent subliminally or something to the target audience that undoes whatever Fox News did. The internet would be the delivery system. They'll never know what hit them. They'd just start acting sensibly about this subject suddenly.
WBraun

climber
Jan 23, 2018 - 04:09pm PT
Malemute is saying that he Malemute is st00pid and Malemute being st00pid can't be fixed.

Malemute is describing himself perfectly for once .....
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 23, 2018 - 08:08pm PT
So, in reality, when a question like that is asked, what your side REALLY wants is to pontificate on ONE side of the story and to suppress dissenting opinions.

When a question is asked I try to answer it the best I can using the best science I can. That is really the only side of the story as far as I am concerned.

It is not suppressing opinion to present an answer to a scientific question that happens to show why that opinion is not supported by the best science available. All scientists know that, and accept the fact that they could be wrong, and that that can be shown by conducting a scientific argument based on both sound theory and experimental observations and measurements.

You brought up the issue of something called "the hiatus" which has been very carefully studied and understood. In the end there wasn't a hiatus. At the time of the article you cited (did you read that article?) it was a topic of scientific debate.

The debate was engaged, and after looking at all the factors it turns out that "the hiatus" wasn't.


Finally, I don't know what side you are referring to that I am on, as I've said many times, I'm a scientist. The conditions of my employment are that I practice good science and provide the best advice based on that science.

It doesn't have anything to do with "the party line" and it is insulting that you would suggest that, especially since you have no idea what it is I do.


Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 23, 2018 - 08:56pm PT
yes, I am one of those scientists that doesn't practice climate science, but am able to read and understand the papers (and have done a lot of that) and are a part of the science community that understands the scientific arguments supporting the hypothesis that humans are responsible for the current climate change.

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