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Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Dec 22, 2016 - 09:17am PT
Cornerstones

Listen to the words upon the wind, my friend
Then listen to your heart, dear brother
The wind cannot help you to decide
What to do, my sister
For it comes and goes

But we are bound by our love of life
Our ties to the ocean, sun, and earth
For all I know
We shall not return here, children

And I do not know what I'll know then
Or where it is that I shall go
But in this life there is always hope
That somebody or something new
Is waiting around the next corner

-Tim Sorenson
12/22/2016
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 22, 2016 - 10:37am PT
With clinical depression, none of the things that people suggest that you do will help much. When it becomes serious it is a mortal illness. There are drugs that will help, but they take a while to figure out. In the meantime you have to just suffer.

If you are having suicidal thoughts, I can practically guarantee you that you have clinical or bipolar depression. There are two types of Bipolar Disorder: Type 1 is the one we are familiar with: Manic highs where you behave like a lunatic, and crashes into deep depression.

Type 2's do not have true manic episodes. At most they get really jazzed, a condition known as hypomania (less than mania). You feel great, are full of energy, but that is about it. It is characterized by a cyclic deep depression, that happens over and over and over.

It is harder to treat than simple depression. By harder, I mean finding a cocktail of drugs that works on you. At the least you need to see a GOOD psychiatrist right away. They see this all day every day, so don't go to a G.P. or family type doctor. They don't have the experience.

Understand that this is a treatable condition. People need to understand that the suicide rate in various mental illnesses compare to generic cancer, so it is a mortal disease, and you must see a good doctor.

They will get you fixed in no time. Some people experience depression only once in their lives. Others have to fight it on a daily basis. Either way, it is f*#king serious, so get to a doc.
Avery

climber
New Zealand
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 22, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
Thanks for the kind words.

I don't have a problem with you, GFC. I think Randisi may be referring to ms55401 as well as kunlan_shan. Those guys have every right to voice an opinion, but I think they've well and truly made their point.

Thanks Tim, as always. I'm sure your long lost brother would be proud of you.

I was lost and disconnected in early October. I'm feeling considerably better now. EMDR really does work! A number of you had suggested this process to me and I'm very greatful for that.

Thanks to all.
couchmaster

climber
Dec 22, 2016 - 02:13pm PT


Congrats on doing better Avery. I suspect many others could benefit from this as well. I'd never heard of EMDR therapy, and I suspect thats true for most of the rest of us. Can you flesh out the process you followed to do it? That is, how you learned of it, who you contacted first etc etc. I did look it up on the net, http://www.emdr-therapy.com/emdr.html

I know someone with PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) doing traditional therapy which is slowly, if at all, helping.

What Is EMDR?

Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing, or EMDR, is a powerful new psychotherapy technique which has been very successful in helping people who suffer from trauma, anxiety, panic, disturbing memories, post traumatic stress and many other emotional problems. Until recently, these conditions were difficult and time-consuming to treat. EMDR is considered a breakthrough therapy because of its simplicity and the fact that it can bring quick and lasting relief for most types of emotional distress.

EMDR is the most effective and rapid method for healing PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) as shown by extensive scientific research studies.

The EMDR therapy uses bilateral stimulation, right/left eye movement, or tactile stimulation, which repeatly activates the opposite sides of the brain, releasing emotional experiences that are "trapped" in the nervous system. This assists the neurophysiological system, the basis of the mind/body connection, to free itself of blockages and reconnect itself.

As troubling images and feelings are processed by the brain via the eye-movement patterns of EMDR, resolution of the issues and a more peaceful state are achieved.

How Does It Work?

The therapist works gently with the client and asks him/her to revisit the traumatic moment or incident, recalling feelings surrounding the experience, as well as any negative thoughts, feelings and memories. The therapist then holds her fingers about eighteen inches from the clients face and begins to move them back and forth like a windshield wiper. The client tracks the movements as if watching ping pong. The more intensely the client focuses on the memory, the easier it becomes for the memory to come to life. As quick and vibrant images arise during the therapy session, they are processed by the eye movements, resulting in painful feelings being exchanged for more peaceful, loving and resolved feelings.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Dec 22, 2016 - 06:37pm PT
I've always kept in the back of my mind that if I ever found myself seriously considering checking out, it would be perhaps better for humanity to give myself fully to a charity or organization doing humanitarian work such as aiding innocent people to escape war zones or oppressive governments. If I died doing it, at least it wouldn't be in vain. Just walk away from the painful environment, go underground and come up for air in a new altruistic life.

Probably difficult to actually pull off, but less messy than leaving a corpse behind..

vvvvvvvvvvvv thanks Survival. Once in a while a neuron fires in the vast wasteland that is my head :-)
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 22, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
Very interesting thought skeptimistic!
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Dec 23, 2016 - 05:55am PT
I've always kept in the back of my mind that if I ever found myself seriously considering checking out, it would be perhaps better for humanity to give myself fully to a charity or organization doing humanitarian work such as aiding innocent people to escape war zones or oppressive governments. If I died doing it, at least it wouldn't be in vain. Just walk away from the painful environment, go underground and come up for air in a new altruistic life.

Although one might not have to go so far as to inject themselves into a war zone or epidemic, this might not be far off as part of a solution to treating depression, at least in the short term.

As big part of my recovery and early sobriety in AA, it was 'suggested' that we do as many charitable deeds as our time and our wallets would allow so long as it did not adversely affect our family or finances. For several years a group of us under the Hospitals and Administrations arm of the AA organization, H&I, volunteered to go into and attend as guests of AA meetings in Folsom, New Folsom, and Mule Creek state prisons.

That experience of driving out on a Wednesday night once a month with a group of friends to enter a prison, going through security to sit with inmates and to listen to and tell our stories of recovery, with these men who would probably spend the majority of their adult lives incarcerated for their actions, was indelibly humbling. The breath of fresh air I felt every time I walked out through the security checkpoints and drove out of those prison gates to freedom left me with such an overwhelming feeling of gratitude, it was nearly impossible to focus on any difficulties in my own life.

The concept was simple, yet requires work to execute. So long as we are engaged in trying to help others, in trying to do some good for someone or something, it is nearly impossible to focus on our own wants, fears, or negative thoughts.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Denver CO
Dec 23, 2016 - 08:32am PT
I've heard some people say they started doing dangerous climbing as an alternative to suicide but that never applied to me. I thought that confronting my fears was a way to improve myself and there had to be a real danger in order for it to be real. At some point I decided the odds were against me and any progress, as I measured it, would have meant more danger.

I spent several years living in Uraba, Colombia, in a place where thousands of people were killed by assassinations. I'm suing the Chiquita banana company for paying Colombian paramilitaries, and that case is about to become very active again, so I will probably return at least for a few months. In between my first and second years of law school (2003), I spent the summer in Afghanistan, although I have yet to do anything constructive there. I can vouch for the transformative effect of being in a war zone in the third world. If you can find something constructive to do, you can be a hero to many people. The dangerous terrain you have to navigate are the impressions that other people have of you. In Colombia, the mafias in charge of the places I lived never considered me a threat, and wanted to avoid me. I survived in Afghanistan by luck, and had to literally run for my life one time. I look at these projects like you might look at an expedition to climb a mountain. You always have to get from point A to point B. After time you get used to the fact there's a war going on, just like you get used to climbing up the side of a cliff. The hard part, I think, is finding something constructive you can do, without imposing your own agenda on them.
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