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blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:04am PT
If the cop(or anybody for that matter) goes into her apartment and there is a big guy in HER apartment that is not supposed to be there, she is absolutely justified in shooting him. Waiting for "non-gun" options can get you killed.

As a matter of the way the world works, perhaps you can shoot a "big guy" in your apartment who is not supposed to be there and get away with it, regardless of what the big guy is or isn't doing.

But the law requires something more than that to be a justified shooting, even in the most pro self defense states (generally some sort of reasonable fear that deadly force is necessary to protect your own (or a third party's) safety)). I suppose in Jody world that reasonable fear could be present simply based on a big guy's uninvited presence in your apartment, but I believe the law contemplates something more.

Will be interesting to see if the cop alleges there was a something more in this case; a scuffle or a threat to anything other than "I saw a big (and black?) guy where I didn't think he was supposed to be so I shot him."

Another way to look at it:
Did the cop do two things wrong or just one thing?
In Jody world, the cop only made one mistake, entering the wrong apartment. She would have been perfectly justified in shooting the black guy if it would have been her apartment.
I think in most people's view, the cop did 2 things wrong: she entered the wrong apartment, and then she shot some guy who wasn't (to our knowledge) doing anything threatening.
Power Crux

Social climber
working a 16 hour shift
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:09am PT
she made one mistake or two who cares?

report says she gave verbal commands

and he did not comply

it was his disobedience that got him killed

amirite

FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:12am PT
WHAT! That is sick, he was in his home.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:16am PT
she made one mistake or two who cares?

report says she gave verbal commands

and he did not comply

it was his disobedience that got him killed

amirite

Look everyone here posting agrees that she made a serious and criminal mistake and deserves serious punishment.
But I do believe it's relevant in assessing the degree of her culpability to know what happened after she entered the wrong apartment.

And I hate to say it because I don't want this to be misconstrued, but maybe if the guy was acting irrationally cuz he was on high on drugs or whatever, that could be at least somewhat of a mitigating factor.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:17am PT
She would have been perfectly justified in shooting the black guy if it would have been her apartment.

No, she would have been perfectly justified in shooting ANY guy if it had been her apartment.

I think in most people's view, the cop did 2 things wrong: she entered the wrong apartment, and then she shot some guy who wasn't (to our knowledge) doing anything threatening.

if the guy was in HER apartment, that in itself is threatening. To do anything else at that point could cost her HER life.

This whole "IF" discussion is stupid though. The idiot woman was at the wrong apartment and she should pay for her idiocy.


xCon

Social climber
909
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:18am PT
no doubt a touchy enough situation wherein whatever bias she had would become significant factors...
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:20am PT
AntiChrist:
Jody, I'm curious about your take on that Dallas killing. Also note he was a black MAN... not "a black."
I am confused.
Was she intoxicated by alcohol, marijuana, cocaine or else?
Power Crux

Social climber
working a 17 hour shift
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:25am PT
all agree cop is idiot

that is not why kap kneels

 covering up

 give perp cop time to make up story

 smear the victim

must give lesser sentence because of years of public service

best way to serve public is dont murder your neighbor
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:27am PT
Wow, this just gets sicker by the minute.

Maybe he was protecting his home!

Maybe if the officer had told the truth from the beginning this would be a horrible accident and that would be the end of it.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:30am PT
Should get a “stiffer” sentence because she was a trained professional in the use of firearms and should have been able to handle the situation better.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Sep 14, 2018 - 08:32am PT
^^^Yep
Power Crux

Social climber
issuing verbal commands
Sep 14, 2018 - 12:31pm PT
silince from the "thug is a thug" crowd

why did they search the victims home with a specific warrant for drugs

but not the perps home

?

I know I know

don't answer and put a blue stripey flag sticker on your car
Jolly Roger

Trad climber
here and there
Sep 14, 2018 - 01:11pm PT
Power,

Not sure what your looking for. No indication whatsoever the victim was a thug. All indications the officer is a f*#king retard and should be shot.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 14, 2018 - 01:25pm PT
Power,

Not sure what your looking for.

He's just interested in spraying inflammatory nonsense.

Little troll that he is.

Drama queen.
Power Crux

Social climber
ignoring verbal commands
Sep 14, 2018 - 02:52pm PT
jolly shirkers cant answer simple question

why did investigating cops search victims home

and not the perps home

did they also forget what floor they were on

?
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Sep 14, 2018 - 03:20pm PT
if the guy was in HER apartment, that in itself is threatening. To do anything else at that point could cost her HER life.

She thinks a big guy is in her apartment and the moment she steps foot in said apartment her life could be in danger if she does anything other than shoot the guy.

So, she could stay outside of her apartment and call for backup and deal with the situation if the guy tries to leave before backup shows up.

Or, she could enter the apartment and immediately shoot the guy.

Which sort of police state would you prefer?
Jolly Roger

Trad climber
here and there
Sep 14, 2018 - 03:36pm PT
I think it’s pretty obvious. Cops investigated the crime scene. Bad PR, and they wanted to control the bad situation best they could. Probably trying to find dirt. Does not take away from the cop being an idiot, and does not allude to somehow the guy was black, and cops are against blacks theme you want. I’m sure they’d try to do their best PR control no matter who it was.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Sep 14, 2018 - 03:38pm PT
Nike, far from burned by Colin Kaepernick ad, sees share price hit all-time high

seems like only yesterday some were so confidently hoping and predicting the opposite would happen ...

Power Crux

Social climber
ignoring verbal commands
Sep 14, 2018 - 04:13pm PT
cop shoots innocent guy

story simple: cop fuked up, her bad, she should pay

it should end there

victim is fukin wholesome as it gets but he is black maybe we can play thug card

they go to a fukin judge asking to look for drugs in victims home like that matters

and judge lets them do it

nobody along the way stops to say how retarded it is or how bad it will look to public

just investigating another dead thug right

they search find weed and announce to world

shooter cop is not the only idiot

simple story is now a fuking mess

when one of these idiots give you a verbal command comply instantly or summary execution and have your life story dragged through mud

at taxpayer expense

blue lives matter, lol

they still never searched perps home, respect her privacy, dont open her dildo drawer

xCon

Social climber
909
Sep 14, 2018 - 04:29pm PT
the paid authority has shown itself incapable of any part of a process involving the delivery of justice...
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