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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Maybe you could hint at what legal system you're used to. Tell us, at least, where your theories are based from. Is that fair?
Institutional/Systemic racism.
You sound like an academic. ANd that is o.k., my favorite criminologist, Crimpergirl, is the same. An Academic. But I know she does get into the 'field' and actually see stuff herself. I also understand academics go on figures and data. I get that.
What I think you fail to see, or relate to, is the common man. Or the common black/brown man as this discussion is based on.
You overlook the root cause of the problem. Again and again. It isn't about racism or profiling necessarily. It's about life choices. It's about failing to live up to their obligations to our society.
It's not really hard, if you're willing to work for a living.
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nah000
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no/w/here
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Maybe you could hint at what legal system you're used to. Tell us, at least, where your theories are based from.
genuinely, not sure what you're asking with this...
You overlook the root cause of the problem. Again and again. It isn't about racism or profiling necessarily. It's about life choices. It's about failing to live up to their obligations to our society.
that's where we both agree and disagree...
as you've stated, you see the world/"common black/brown man's" plight as being based solely on a person's choices.
i agree in part... but i disagree that it is based solely on choices, and so i see it as being based both on choices and on externalities.
and so when you see it as being based solely on people failing to live up to their obligations to our society, i see it as being based both in people failing to live up to their obligations to society AND to societies failing to live up to its obligations to people/individuals...
which is where my [ill-informed] "critique" of the blm movement departs from... as they [sometimes?] seem to trend towards only the latter half of that "and" pairing...
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JC Marin
Trad climber
CA
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^^^so you grew up black in the ghetto? Who knew?
Pretty hard to judge anyone in this world without walking a mile in their shoes...IMHO
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I talked to my Niner-fan good buddy about this. He's a 'millienel', a bit younger than me, but after working with me for a decade he's starting to see sh#t clearly.
I suggested, I sh#t you not, 2 days ago (before he did it today) that CK put his money and rep on the line. Donate 1/12 his income (1 Million dollars) to start a South San Francisco Inner City Kids Club.
It would take 1 x 150,000 salary to head coach, and 3 x $75,000 assistants. The other money goes to buying gear for all kids, and renting facilities that are safe.
All he has to do is show up once a month and sign footballs and say, "stay in school, get educated, and have fun".
You know how many lives he could save by doing that????
EDIT: Pretty hard to judge anyone in this world without walking a mile in their shoes...IMHO
That's bit of BS, but just a bit. Politicians, for sure, are totally out of touch from 'regular' society and culture. They fester in their own weird goo that I just can't relate to, as a 'commoner'.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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not that I care, but the dude doesn't look black. I mean, less black than Obama, whose mother is full-on white.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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You know, He's not exactly the first person to sit out the national anthem. A few decades ago this was fairly common passive protest.
Why is this such a big deal now? Why is it even news?
Is it just because he's black?
That used to be okay, too!
Have we really swung so far to the right that we are outraged at people of color making political statements?
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2016 - 09:21am PT
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Bluering said: but after working with me for a decade he's starting to see sh#t clearly.
There is so many places to go with that statement. But I'll be a good little old lady and keep my mouth SHUT! ;).
Susan
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I hear ya, Susan. It was meant kinda tongue-in-cheek.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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The problem of racism and police violence has once again been pointed out by someone who has the worked their way to a position to where their voice can be heard on an international level. Freedom of speech is a right regardless of the circumstances or repercussions. This person excercised their right. Agree, disagree, address the issue of police violence or racism, or call foul. Extremism or denial will never be never a constructive solution.
FYI, on a related issue;
The Equal Rights Amendment has never been ratified.
I cry foul.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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not that I care, but the dude doesn't look black. I mean, less black than Obama, whose mother is full-on white.
Kaepernick's biological mother is full-on white too--she's been on the media seeking attention.
Obama's father was of course 100% African black; I don't know what Kaepernick's father's specific make-up is, but since most black Americans have a substantial amount of European ancestry, it's not surprising that Kapernick is somewhat more white than Obama and somewhat more European and than African. He basically looks like a white guy with a deep tan, but who really cares.
And remember the "1 drop rule": because certain racists think (or thought) it's important to describe anyone with any African ancestry as "black," we're forever constrained to follow that convention. If you don't understand that, it's because your privilege has warped your thinking--don't even question it, just accept it.
For example, there's a part of me that wonders how people even know that Kapernick is "black"--does he describe himself that way? And why would people assume that the controversy has anything to do with him being "black," when it's self-evident that he isn't "black" in any sense other than the "1 drop rule"--he's mixed but almost certainly more European and African biologically.
But it's not productive to ask questions like that--more important to keep looking for examples of the pervasive racism going on and all that.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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I refused to say the pledge in fourth grade, circa '68. Classmates stunned. Parents were called. Teacher incensed. Sent to the Principal. Got a Swat with the discipline paddle. Been a true Christian patriot ever since.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Kaepernick looks like Squiddly on Sponge Bob Square Pants...Now he's sporting a large afro...Dude's a Black Panther...
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2016 - 06:42pm PT
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.Dude's a Black Panther...
Black-ish
Susan
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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she's not a black panther:
A member of the 2015 World Cup-winning U.S. women’s soccer team is standing, or rather kneeling, in support of Colin Kaepernick.
On Sunday night, Megan Rapinoe took a knee while the national anthem played ahead of a game between the Seattle Reign, where Rapinoe is a star midfielder, and the Chicago Red Stars.
And the 31-year-old said after the game that she will continue to kneel going forward as a “nod to” the 49ers quarterback, according to NWSL reporter John Halloran.
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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RJ's right, there's an uncanny likeness
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monolith
climber
state of being
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There will be a handful more kneelers on opening sunday.
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splitter
Trad climber
HighwayToHell
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RESPECT!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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I liked watching kaepernick when he was the starting QB...I liked his line drive passes and his 15 yard dashes...I respect him for standing up for the less fortunate and don't buy into the haters who think he's a terrorist...Squiddly..
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