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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 24, 2016 - 08:29am PT
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Weed is permitted, so
No Ass, no glass, no booze, grass or gas
Nobody SUP's for free
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 24, 2016 - 08:36am PT
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The 'flying bum' crashed on it's second test flight.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 24, 2016 - 08:59am PT
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Kattz, if you were a westerner on a 115 degree middle eastern beach, and you were forced by religious police to wear a black quilt, your screeching would take on a different tone. Trust me, I lived in the middle East, and I've seen western women struck with a cane by mutawah for not having their ankles covered. It's hideous. That being said, banning burkinis is stupid as well.
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kattz
climber
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Aug 24, 2016 - 10:09am PT
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France to the people:
on our beaches, women must wear little bikini, bleached hair, and have fake D cups installed, as this is our "culture" and "civilization" to oppress women by telling them how they should look.
Oh and I'm pretty sure they'd like to see all underage boys in speedos and make sure little kids don't wear burkini either, but bare it all for their sick stares, there's all kinds of sickness flourishing just fine in that so called "civilization".
They don't seem to be busy with combatting real terrorists -- they let million young males into EU without checks -- and they hunt and punish innocent women now, violating most basic personal freedoms. They making sure to alienate moderate Muslims, this will be suicide for France.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Aug 24, 2016 - 10:26am PT
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They ought to make all the old naked guys at Black's wear burkinis. There are some things you can't unsee.
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kattz
climber
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Aug 24, 2016 - 10:30am PT
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"French Freedom":
"Show me some skin now, don't be a b**ch"
"Love sun damage or go home"
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 24, 2016 - 10:54am PT
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Question: Would short beards be an issue at the beach?
--JC from Galilee Beach State Park
Postscriptum: My friends generally go around unshaven and stink of fish.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Aug 24, 2016 - 11:07am PT
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France has a long history of treating non-natives like crap. I have three first cousins in Paris, one in Lyon, and one in Montreal, and I like to kid them by saying that French isn't a language or a people, it's a state of mind.
It reminds me of a trip I took to Geneva to take a deposition of a key witness. (Talk about the case from heaven, but that's a different story). My client spoke German, but no French. I spoke French but no German. We both could muddle through Italian by pretending it was Spanish, so between the two of us, we figured we had Switzerland's languages covered.
We were having lunch in the Hotel Motropole, and my client wanted some mustard, and asked for it in English. The waiter, with his most perfect scowl of disgust resulting from contact with a barbarian responded "Qu'est que c'est le 'Mustard'?" I explained, in French, that it was mutard. "Oh, oui, monsieur! Merci" and he returned, smiling, with several varieties of it
You're French, or you're sub-human. (I know, you can substitute any number of ethnic groups in that sentence with the same result).
John
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 24, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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OMG HOW WILL I COVER UP MY MANBOOBS NOW????!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 24, 2016 - 01:17pm PT
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The 'flying bum' crashed on it's second test flight.
At least it wasn't it's "maiden"voyeur. It's a Fenchie thing, docha know?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 24, 2016 - 02:24pm PT
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What are board shorts?
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deschamps
Gym climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Aug 24, 2016 - 02:37pm PT
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I fully support the Burka ban on French beaches.
I am a dual French/U.S. citizen and understand both cultures pretty well. The French believe in a liberal society in which women do not cover themselves up in the name of religion. Is it not within a country's right to say "you are welcome to our country but we expect you to respect and act based on the beliefs of our society?" When I travel to a foreign country, I know that certain clothes that are okay in the U.S. are not okay abroad. I respect that and adjust my attire. I understand that if I disagree, I need to stay home rather than act in a way that doesn't align with the culture of a foreign country.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Aug 24, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
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Most countries don't have the same concepts of Rights that Americans have (that started with the Bill of Rights).
I disagree with what France is doing, but there is some history to it.
France was ground zero for the European religious wars. My understanding, is that their culture responded by being hostile to any public displays of religion (Google French Laicite).
Going after the strict Muslim dress fits within this.
I think they are wrong on trying to ban any public display of religion. But I am sympathetic to banning people being in public with their faces covered. I think it is socially rude (although that is not grounds to ban it), but I think it is also a security risk (which is grounds to ban it).
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 24, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
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I am a dual French/U.S. citizen and understand both cultures pretty well. The French believe in a liberal society in which women do not cover themselves up in the name of religion. Is it not within a country's right to say "you are welcome to our country but we expect you to respect and act based on the beliefs of our society?" When I travel to a foreign country, I know that certain clothes that are okay in the U.S. are not okay abroad. I respect that and adjust my attire. I understand that if I disagree, I need to stay home rather than act in a way that doesn't align with the culture of a foreign country.
As you state it, it SEEMS reasonable, although it is not. The part that is not, is the "liberal society". This action is in no way liberal, it is prescriptive, or if you prefer, dictatorial. Or if you prefer, "Vichy-like".
Your example give you the air of being protective of French Citizens. However, in the newspaper article I read about 4 armed policeMEN requiring a woman to strip down for them, the woman was BORN French, whose mother and grandmother were BORN French.
Makes me think you don't know what french liberty is about, or what your forebears fought for in the war. Makes me think, when you want to tell women what to wear, under penalty of law, you should go back to where you came from, because it sure isn't the free France that I knew.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Aug 24, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
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Is it not within a country's right to say "you are welcome to our country but we expect you to respect and act based on the beliefs of our society?"
Sure, knock yourselves out with your petty laws, the Ministry of Culture needs to stay busy. But do not act shocked and surprised that you have alienated large groups of people who now hate you as much as you hate them.
I really hope this country never becomes like that.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 24, 2016 - 03:28pm PT
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Makes me think you don't know what french liberty is about
Typically ignorant American lecture about another country's laws and culture.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 24, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
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Aren't we all just "code dependent" to some degree or other?
We need rules, apparently.
We cannot trust ourselves.
This situation is, in shorts (of whatever style) just part of human nature.
Survival--
I always thought that the Woodie Wagons were board shorts.
Otherwise, I haven't a clue.
I know mu-mus must pass Muslim muster.
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Al Barkamps
Social climber
Red Stick
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Aug 24, 2016 - 04:38pm PT
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I really hope this country never becomes like that.
....wtf!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2016 - 05:13pm PT
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I am sympathetic to banning people being in public with their faces covered
From a security perspective of not being able to see someone's face?
Then glasses and hats should be banned on the beach as well.
There is no question that these bans and their enforcement are hostile to individual rights.
Makes me want to be a Pastafarian and then go on the beach there with my collinder and then call the Polizei on myself saying I'm bothering myself by my openly religious demonstration.
It's all a bunch of horseshit to not let someone express themselves via their dress.
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Aug 24, 2016 - 08:42pm PT
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when I heard the headline about the French burkini ban, foolishly I thought it was for safety, you know, because too many muslim woman had drowned on French beaches trying to swim in big bulky burka-like bathing suits. I have no imagination. Who could have imagined the real reason?
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