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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Certainly I cannot. But you cannot speak for America, and certainly not for California.
I don't claim to.
And I certainly CAN speak TO the French.
Of course you can. The ugly American stereotype came from somewhere.
Curt
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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You don't seem to understand french society nor french government. The French actually don't make a choice. Overly expressive religious symbols are not appropriate to wear in France no matter what religion they depict.
"Appropriate" is your way of saying "state sanctioned".
I suppose you'd advocate stoning these women, for violating the ban on overly expressive religious symbols
http://www.myfrenchlife.org/2015/05/04/read-french-gothic-cathedrals-2/
"Noted for their serenity and stylised drapery, the jamb statues at Chartres cathedral, which include biblical figures, saints and martyrs, welcomed visitors through the doorways. They are about 50% larger than human size, so they sent a message that they were once like us and yet, as befitting their spiritual status, represented something greater than humanity."
I suppose that you'd agree with the Taliban, that such images in France should be immediately DESTROYED, especially because of their public expression of religion? Would you use tanks, or just C4?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Certainly I cannot. But you cannot speak for America, and certainly not for California.
I don't claim to.
I never claimed to speak for the French. If you can accuse me of that, I can accuse you of thinking you speak for America.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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I never claimed to speak for the French.
You are clearly trying to tell the French what is appropriate for their own country. That has been a consistent theme of your posts in this thread.
Curt
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Actually, this action was taken by a very small number of small towns.
It flies in the face of French law and tradition of liberal acceptance....that is responsible for our own country.
That is why their courts threw it out.
HOWEVER, oppression is oppression, no matter where it happens. I didn't start the thread, only commented upon it....like you, Curt.
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Al Barkamps
Social climber
Red Stick
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Ken, you are entitled to your opinions, but not your facts; even your selectively chosen and mutilated facts.
Likening what's carved into the side of a 14th century church with state sponsorship of a religion is just plain absurd, as is your blinkered view of what constitutes individual "freedom" in an adopted culture.
Perhaps you'd like to argue your "freedoms" to the muslim morality police that beats unescorted women in public.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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The French are close to the least religious people in all of Europe and the government gives
nothing to any churches except in terms of maintaining some because of their historical and,
more importantly, their tourism value. The fact that they've kicked the Islamic can down the
street for so long is largely due, IMHO, because I think they hoped all those people would
get with the program on their own.
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