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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 12, 2016 - 01:18pm PT
I hope my little pony will be safe.

In fact, we need to look at most issues with a LOT less emotion.

including gun control? yeah, right
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 12, 2016 - 01:19pm PT
If you were a cougar and you had choice between a pony and a mule deer, which would you choose? Shame on the owner.

#ponystastelikechicken
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 12, 2016 - 01:28pm PT
A fully mature cougar walking her yip-yip while heading to Happy Hour ...
A fully mature cougar walking her yip-yip while heading to Happy Hour at the Milestone Saloon. It's hard to say if she's wearing her Pumas.
Credit: GI
The Milestone Saloon claims more cougar sightings than any other in El Dorado county.

zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 12, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
Some Samoans bought and barbecued a pony a while back in L.A.

None were killed.

Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Aug 12, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
including gun control? yeah, right

Absolutely. If the anti-gunners would do so we would be a lot better off.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 12, 2016 - 01:55pm PT
The cougar population is out of control...If this keeps up Mule Days will have to be held at an indoor venue..
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Aug 12, 2016 - 02:02pm PT
The cougar population is out of control...If this keeps up Mule Days will have to be held at an indoor venue..

LOL!

Oh, but they are such cute little kitty cats and we should manage them by emotion, not facts.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 12, 2016 - 02:08pm PT
Why should we "manage" them?

Because we are too dumb to coexist?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 12, 2016 - 02:08pm PT
LOL!

Oh, but they are such cute little kitty cats and we should manage them by emotion, not facts.

The don't need to be "managed", they need to be left alone for the most part. Deer, on the other hand, need to be managed a bit better, mostly because we have interfered with the natural cycle of the wild. We un-duly made winners (cute deer) over losers ("ferocious" mountain lions).

This will have consequences.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 12, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
Oh, but they are such cute little kitty cats and we should manage them by emotion, not facts.

That would require it to NOT be put up for vote with the general public. That ship sailed....
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Aug 12, 2016 - 02:18pm PT


"In fact, we need to look at most issues with a LOT less emotion....


Fuk you!!!...
















































Sorry!!!...


I didn't mean to get so emotional...


:-)




Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Aug 12, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
I want a depredation permit for house cats. I'm out of gunnysacks and wearing out my shovel.





She gets emotional.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Aug 12, 2016 - 02:33pm PT
Because we are too dumb to coexist?

No, because they are.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2016 - 02:50pm PT
DMT, with all due respect, aren't you overreacting a wee bit? How do we know that mountain lion didn't move into the area AFTER the owner did? So now we make ranchers pay a fine when they don't lock up their herds and horses in a barn at night? Seriously? Maybe he owned a pony as therapy for a special needs child(I know someone that has a pony for that purpose)? Why are lions protected? They aren't endangered.

We need to look at this issue with a little less emotion. In fact, we need to look at most issues with a LOT less emotion.

Thank You Jody,

Fair enough, I'll try to be more dispassionate. I apologize, to you and all gentler-readers.

Mountain lions have large territories and they move frequently. I'd say its irrelevant who got to that particular patch first; lion or pony owner. My guess would be the pony guy though. I don't think that matters.

The pony owner committed gross negligence in my opinion, essentially setting a trap for the cougar with his pony as bait. In Yosemite and other places they have a problem with bears. People leave food out; on tables, in trash, in their cars. And people can be fined for it, too. For endangering themselves, creating a nuisance and of course endangering the bear as well. The ole fed bear is a dead bear, routine, nawmsayin? And remember, we're talking about a pony trapped on a two acre lot here, not Granny's milk cow out on the frontier. This wasn't a homestead dependent upon on pony milk for sustenance.

A rancher needs to make an assessment of her herds, flocks and nurseries, and secure them from the threats of nature as best she can. That's kind of what ranchers do. So let's say a freak snow storm kills that pony, are we the people going to hire a meteorologist to shoot a cloud? Or let's say a fire burns that pony at the stake. Send in the Fire Department to hunt it down? Ok that's not such a great example :)

But no, of course not. But if its a lion? Well then, the varmint must be tracked down and shot, lest some other harm befall another, pony.

Is a cloud a varmint? Is fire? Is a lion really a varmint?

No of course it isn't. The intruder here is human and the sin, if you want to call it that, is allowing a pony to die such a needless and cruel death to begin with. Special needs indeed! And sadly they put the lion at risk through their thoughtless cruelty. This lion got lucky, hence my posting of the article. All too often, as some, person, pointed out, the lion is shot and the carcass dispatched in the dead of night and nary a word gets mentioned in any government records. I would not personally defend such folk, not in word and not in heart.

I know this; the lion has purpose. I don't put ponies before wild cats, not ever. Rancher is at fault, 100%. I'd be content to let him go with a stern warning from the game warden that there will be civil and perhaps criminal consequences if they let it happen again.

But shooting the cat for being a cat? That's a ludicrous position; punishing the cat for the sins of a man. No, that would not be a courageous path to take. Hiring a bounty hunter in this case would be cowardly indeed.

With Kind Regards, Good Day Sir
DMT
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 12, 2016 - 02:57pm PT
A rancher needs to make an assessment of her herds, flocks and nurseries, and secure them from the threats of nature as best she can. That's kind of what ranchers do.

Hilarious. You have any clue how they secure their flocks from the threat of nature, pumpkin?


locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Aug 12, 2016 - 03:05pm PT


"You have any clue how they secure their flocks from the threat of nature pumpkin? "...


Similar to Killer Tomatoes???...

...

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 12, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
I'm with Ding here. If you leave "food" tied-up or penned-in in large carnivorous animal country, that's on you! You have every right IMO to defend that property and kill the cougar if it's menacing.

I get that.

But when YOU miss him when he's attacking your easy prey. That's on you, and you lost. Sure you can waste your time to track the animal down, but don't spend other resources BECAUSE YOU WERE NEGLIGENT.

If you live in these areas, you have to understand the risks. And yeah, you should be able to shoot the ones menacing your property. Send a message.

clode

Trad climber
portland, or
Aug 12, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
I try not to step on ants.
jonnyrig

climber
Aug 12, 2016 - 03:35pm PT
Neither the resident nor the lion should be held to any accountable standard. Animals like horses, sheep, ponies, dogs, cats, chickens, etc get left out at night as standard practice. That's the way it is. If you live in lion country, you take your chances.

Far as wildlife management, it's basically a requirement these days. We've moved into town, cut the trees, threaded the landscape with roads, killed the predator, killed the prey, reintroduced the predator, and decimated the habitat. At what point in the cycle do any of you really believe the natural balance is going to assert itself?

The lions are here. So are we, with all our pets and our very visible nuisance of a personal presence. I don't think the lions necessarily need protection to the extent you have in Cali; but then again I also don't think the wild horses here in Nevadistan need it to the extent of federal protection either. They're more of a nuisance than your lions, come to think of it.

So yeah, if we could take the whole emotionally charged attitude about "charismatic megafauna" out of the equation, determining what is and is not effective management would be a whole lot easier.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/ugly-endangered-animals_n_4509429.html
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Aug 12, 2016 - 03:53pm PT
It gets harder and harder to develop compassion for other humans when they just keep coming at you, one after another, every damn day, with their stupidity.

Totally agree. Our rational belief creation processes get overwhelmed with the emotionality of being personally annoyed or offended or whatever over other people's different perspectives. Their beliefs are formed by the same wacky human emotionally/socially influenced belief creation process to form these stupid (to us) beliefs, and then our emotional/social belief creation process is to form our own stupid beliefs in response.

If only humans had made friends with the big cats when we were carving out our niche in our evolutionary environment, then maybe we could massage our beliefs so that everthing would be cool between us. This survival of the fittest thing is just stupidity.
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