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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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^^^because most here treat politics like a religion.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Werner,
I'm not voting for sHillary
thanks for ASSuming
I will pray to Lord Trump for your capitalist soul
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Then why did they skirt NATO airspace?
Cause it's more fun that way, you silly! Besides, they're not stoopid, ya know.
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dirtbag
climber
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more wisdom from ST political pundit.
barf..
And that's another brilliant retort from someone who plans to vote for the know nothing, unhinged bigot who scams working people.
Here's your man in action:
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steve s
Trad climber
eldo
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Werner, did ya pay yer taxes ?
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dirtbag
climber
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climber
Oct 5, 2016 - 09:41am PT
The brainwashed stoopid Hillary loons will love their new brainwashed stoopid Hillary POTUS .....
Please tell us again how the moon landings were staged. Be sure to cite fringe sources as authority, we all find those persuasive.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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I hear the ark on the moon was a soundstage for the faked moon landings.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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But you stupid people automatically assume if one says negative on one particular candidate they want the other.
Naw, you don't say? They've never done that to me! Lol
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Well, well.
NSA Contractor Charged With Stealing Classified Secrets
"The Federal Bureau of Investigation has arrested a contractor for the National Security Agency on suspicion of having improperly handled secret source codes used to hack foreign government targets, according to people familiar with the case."
"Authorities unsealed court papers Wednesday charging Harold Thomas Martin, 51, of Glen Burnie, Md., with theft of government property and unauthorized removal of classified materials."
"During a search of Mr. Martin's residence, agents found paper documents and digital drives that were labeled top secret, according to an affidavit filed in conjunction with his arrest."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/nsa-contractor-charged-with-stealing-classified-secrets-1475685852?mod=djemalertNEWS
Apparently the FBI isn't as incompetent as they appeared in their work on Clinton's email.
A victory for either Trump or Clinton results in a loss to the United States.
John
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Gary Johnston's running mate resigned to focus on stopping Trump!
"VP candidate Bill Weld told the Boston Globe that he plans to focus exclusively on attacking Donald Trump for the remainder of the campaign — essentially admitting that running mate Gary Johnson can not become president.
Trump has Weld’s “full attention,” he explained, because his agenda is so terrible it’s “in a class by itself.”
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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A victory for either Trump or Clinton results in a loss to the United States.
When you factor in SCOTUS, Clinton is a clear win for the United States and a clear win by miles...
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dirtbag
climber
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I'm actually prettty happy with someone who will hold the line and try to make incremental progress.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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The SCOTUS is the only reason I could see to elect Trump. His announced slate of possible nominees have uniform excellence. Clinton's views would essentially eliminate the Bill of Rights, and quite probably the separation of powers unless the POTUS were Republican.
As drastic as I find that difference, Trump's policies in general remain so abominable, and his lack of qualification so clear, that his SCOTUS advantage is not enough to cause me to vote for him.
John
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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'far left' ha! Hilary is right of Nixon and even Reagan at this point
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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He's considered a centrist, is he not?
Only by the left. He is definitely what we would have called a "liberal" when I was in law school, but today's court has become so polarized that anyone who actually tries to construe the Constitution or legislation as written, rather than to promote his or her desired social agenda, becomes a centrist.
I consider him well-qualified, and more like Breyer, who is liberal, but still respects the Constitution. Ginsburg is, to me, exactly the sort who should never be on the court, since her interpretation of the Constitution tends to resemble Humpty Dumpty's quote in Through The Looking Glass - "When I use a word, [or interpret a word in the Constitution] it means what I choose it to mean . . . ." That's a dangerous approach for construing a document that acts as the contract between the people and their government.
John
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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so when the founding fathers wrote "all men are created equal", because there has been no amendment to the Constitution otherwise, you would consider your daughter to be a lesser being to ANY man, not entitled to vote or own land?
You would you consider that the concept of what was meant by that statement has evolved over time?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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so when the founding fathers wrote "all men are created equal", because there has been no amendment to the Constitution otherwise, you would consider your daughter to be a lesser being to ANY man, not entitled to vote or own land?
You would you consider that the concept of what was meant by that statement has evolved over time?
First, of course, your quote is in the Declaration of Independence, not in the Constitution. If anything, the meaning has evolved, since under current politically correct speech, "all men" refers to males, in contrast to its meaning then.
As to the right to vote or hold land, that probably was what they meant, which is why we amended the Constitution. Ginsburg, in contrast, has decided we don't need the Second Amendment because, to her, its preamble ("A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,") shows that it is now superfluous. If a judge can ignore the language that the rest of the Amendment ("the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed") which is clear and unambiguous, what protection does the Constitution give to the people?
I've had to deal with parties that try to chisel on their contracts by adding words or ideas that the objective language of a written contract don't contain, or trying to eliminate little words such as "not." As soon as I detected that conduct, I would advise my client not to deal with that party, because even a written contract would not protect you. [As an aside, I suspect we can find many people who dealt with Trump who experienced just that sort of behavior. Fortunately, the judges on his list don't do that.]
As I've often said, almost every contemporary dictatorship has a constitution with provisions similar to our Bill of Rights. Unless the government commits to enforcing those provisions, however, the protection of a bill of rights, a constitution, or any other document has no meaning.
John
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This highlights the stupidity of 'original intent' doctrine, in one partial sentence.
DMT
Quite the opposite, DMT. It shows its necessity. The original intent and usage used "man" in the sense we now use humanity. (See, e.g., "These are the times that try men's souls.") If we used the original language in its modern, impoverished, politically correct usage, without considering the original intent, we would come to the wrong conclusion.
The danger with liberal interpretation is that they bind themselves with neither the language nor the intent of the language of the Constitution, but rather they look to what they want the government to do, and then "interpret" the Consitution to accomplish their desired purpose. Thus, "Congress shall make no law" becomes "Congress can make any law as long as I like it." Some protection!
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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One thing that has not been mentioned, is the environmental policies of each candidate.
If trump is elected, say so long to public lands, and the budget for National Parks will be slashed.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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As to the right to vote or hold land, that probably was what they meant, which is why we amended the Constitution.
And which amendment is that?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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