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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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"bob remind me again why/how Hillary will win because of the electoral( sic) collage (sic)?'
It is easy even for someone like you...she is at 270 just with the states that are blue or leaning blue.
She leads in most swing states.
How about putting up $500 for your buddy Trump to win, I say he doesn't.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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The republican are concerned that Arizona might go blue, this election.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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If you want to understand Canadians, its easy.
Always remember, if you think we're being serious, we're making fun. If you think we're making fun, we're being serious. I've always found you Canadians to be so inscrutable.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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The republican are concerned that Arizona might go blue, this election.
Lordy yes, I bet they are worried sick. Worried almost to death I would bet.
And the Democrats are worried that it might be Red. Gosh what are we to do?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Try to write something useful, Esco.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Wa Post:
Trump dismisses questions about improper gift to Florida attorney general
Donald Trump on Monday dismissed questions about his failure to disclose an improper $25,000 contribution in 2013 to a political group connected to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, who was at the time considering whether to open a fraud investigation against Trump University.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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His supporters DO NOT CARE what he does or says...
It's not quite that clear-cut.
Had the Dems put up a credible candidate, you could reasonably say that about Trump supporters. But at this point, what you say about Trump supporters can legitimately be said about Clinton supporters.
In this election, the "supporters" are largely in support of "not him" or "not her."
Neither party put up a candidate that can reasonably be "supported" in anything like the traditional sense. Both candidates are respectively the worst I've seen in my lifetime.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Locker, you are everything on Clinton's side that you accuse others of on Trump's side.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Her supporters DO NOT CARE what she does or says...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Bullsh#t, Esco.
I just haven't drunk as much Republican Anti-Hillary kool-aid as you guys have, that's all.
Hillary is infinitely more experienced and qualified to be in the WH.
Hell, having survived and persisted through 25+ years of Republican money & time wasting witchhunts gives clear proof to her ability to keep moving forward and get sh#t done.
What's Donald done in the last 25 years to help America as a whole?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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What's Donald done in the last 25 years to help America as a whole?
Well, here's some things he has NOT done....
1) Put up a private email server (not just used a third-party service, which would itself log and keep records) on which public and top-secret records were stored.
2) Put that server up without the SLIGHTEST awareness nor following of MINIMAL best-practices for security (not even a valid SSL cert in place for months!).
3) Engaged in a multi-year obfuscation campaign of flat-out lies to deny lawful Congressional and FOIA requests for information about her server and communication practices.
4) Destroyed evidence in the face of Congressional and FBI investigations.
5) Instructed others to destroy evidence in the face of Congressional and FBI investigations.
6) Unlawfully and unilaterally decided what public records to submit and what records to destroy.
7) Put national secrets, including those at the highest level of security denotation, at risk, exercising "extreme carelessness" and gross negligence in the storage and transmission of said materials.
8) Lied endlessly and repeatedly to the public and to Congress regarding her communication modalities.
9) Lied repeatedly about lying.
10) In the process of the above, repeatedly committing multiple felonies and misdemeanors ("intent" is mentioned NOWHERE in the statutes she violated, despite what Comey says).
Somehow, Clinton supporters "read" Comey's statements as a "clean bill of health" for Clinton. This is cognitive dissonance at the level of a sickness. The pervasiveness and entirely sweeping nature of the lies she told is literally epic, and a "lessor" personage than her would have been indicted. Of course, a Democrat AG isn't going to indict, and the "no prosecutor would indict her" is flagrantly false. Intent is irrelevant and mentioned nowhere in any of the relevant statutes.
So, in summary, what we KNOW about Clinton is that she did everything humanly possible to circumvent all applicable laws, lied perpetually about what she was doing, and then got away with it.
I said many months ago: "Either she's indicted as a criminal, or she's revealed as the most negligent, incompetent person we've ever seen with her level of security clearance."
So, when you talk about "infinitely" more qualified than Trump, I just shake my head in awe and wonder. At BEST, she skated over criminal prosecution BY convincing (in legally irrelevant fashion) the FBI that: "Oh, my bad. I had NO idea what I was doing. It's all just a big mistake. So sorry."
Well, as PRESIDENT, you don't get to be "sorry" at that level! Try telling, for example, the IRS: "Oops, so sorry. I didn't realize that I had to KEEP and SUBMIT all those records you are demanding."
Yeah, right. She's a criminal who skated BY feigning grossly-negligent ignorance. And somebody THAT negligent and ignorant has NO business being granted even MORE power than she has already revealed she can't competently handle.
So, yeah, Trump hasn't done THAT. Just not being a lying, negligent, ignoramus, who has obviously already risen higher than her level of competency, looks "infinitely better" than Clinton.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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That wasn't the question, mb1.
Here's the question, again:
What's Donald done in the last 25 years to help America as a whole?
Edit:
I mean, I know it's an impossible question to answer, because he hasn't done jackshit for the American people (actually, he f*#ked over a good number of Americans, in fact), and such a question puts you in the worst possible position.
In effect, is your candidate actually qualified to be in that office, or not?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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It is easy even for someone like you...she is at 270 just with the states that are blue or leaning blue.
thanks BOB.. also how do you feel about "Faithless Electors"?
madbolter1 that was a funny spin..
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Maybe you can answer this simple question, pyro?:
What's Donald done in the last 25 years to help America as a whole?
I don't think mb1 can do it. Or maybe he's working on another wall of text for us right now.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Both of these nutcases are malignant narcissists so neither has done a goddamn thing to "help" America.
The only difference is, Hillary has actually been in positions to abuse her authority and thus has committed more crimes against humanity.
Will Trump do the same? Probably, but his hands are less bloody now. And they're smaller hands I understand.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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I mean, I know it's an impossible question to answer, because he hasn't done jackshit for the American people
Let's say that you're right and that he's done NOTHING for the American people.
Fine. I'd much rather have somebody like that in the highest office than somebody who has ALREADY PROVED that she screwed the pooch in epic fashion.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Boy, the rationalization machine is full-steam ahead now, isn't it?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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the rationalization machine is full-steam ahead now, isn't it?
Boy howdy.
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