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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Donald Trump is a pragmatic fixer of things. And that is precisely why he will get my vote.
Cragman
now we know where you stand
Good for You Bro!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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And what should be done with these criminals?
They grew up American, then learned they weren’t citizens
It is estimated that tens of thousands of people were adopted internationally by American parents between the 1950s and 1980s but never naturalized. Many discovered their status only as adults, and they have trouble finding employment and live in terror that a wrong move will get them kicked out of the country.
If it were up to me, I'd make them citizens automatically after, say, 5 years, if they were adopted legally.
But hey, I'm a liberal.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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His support from white nationalists
What?
Is this all you scumbags have left? Just throw out bullshit slander and see it sticks without a basis in fact?
If Communist Party USA supports Hitlery, is that a problem? What if she is also supported by the Muslim Brotherhood and Farrakhan?
Does that make her a commie, or a hater of 'whitey', a supporter of the Nation of Islam?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Any African American's here? Just wondering. With Trump at 1% support (yes, that's a ONE) among African American's I was hoping to get some insight as to why the lack of support. Is it the blatant racism and bigotry? His support from white nationalists? What gives?
I'm not, but an interesting perspective. I'm surprised at the 1%!
I asked my black colleague once, why some blacks were GOP supporters, and he replied: "Lincoln freed the slaves".
Seems like Trump has totally negated that......
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I'm not, but an interesting perspective. I'm surprised at the 1%!
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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"Donald Trump is a pragmatic fixer of things. And that is precisely why he will get my vote."
Yes look at how he fixed Atlantic City, NJ.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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GOP consultant Ana Navarro emails that Trump could indeed be hurting the GOP long term:
“Trump’s fate has been decided with Latinos. Put a fork in him, he’s done. What we have to worry about now is that Trump does not do to the GOP nationally what Pete Wilson did to the GOP in California. He made the party brand less popular than Dengue Fever among Hispanics.”
I’m not sure if there’s any polling on Dengue Fever, but it probably isn’t all that popular.
That aside, the comparison to Pete Wilson is interesting. You may recall that one of the only TV ads the Trump campaign has been airing in swing states, which portrays undocumented immigrants as dark, invading hordes, very much resembles a notorious ad that Wilson ran in California in the mid-1990s. Some Republicans have wondered aloud whether Trump’s rise may portend or encourage a long term fate for the GOP nationally that is similar to the demographic marginalization the GOP suffered in California.
Predicted first on ST a year ago!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Blue, you should put it on your bucket list, to actually get to know a black person (or two). You will be amazed at their perspective on you white conservatives.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Hillary just got busted for lying she didn't authorize supplying US arms to Queda and ISIS.
Werner, the US was supplying arms to "Queda" back in the 80s. We were using Al Queda to fight a proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. The US has, and will always be the world's arms dealer.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Blue, you should put it on your bucket list, to actually get to know a black person (or two). You will be amazed at their perspective on you white conservatives.
That's a very, very telling statement.
You assume I do not work with black engineers everyday, or black friends who dug themselves out of poverty at my behest.
Yes, I actually have black buddies that are on solid roads now, after me hounding them for at least 3 years. "I'm dis-abled, the State gave me this card after I got run over by a bus".
That happened. And the dude's name is Dean. I call him 'big Dean' because the dude is 6'5". Nicest dude you'd ever meet. Loved his kids too, really. I can tell when people are 'blowing smoke'.
I used to hang with this guy before I met my current wife (divorced once). He was a neighboe who would come hang out with the 'white-boys'.
We used to give him sh#t. You can work! Get a job, you're NOT disabled!!! And he isn't.
I see him again from time to time and he's doing good, with a job. His kids are doing better than he ever did, and that's encouraging.
I know black people well. But that really doesn't mean sh#t, and is a stupid argument to judge all black people.
What I do know is that inner-city black youth are getting ignored by Dem politicians, despite their rhetoric.
EDIT: Werner, the US was supplying arms to "Queda" back in the 80s. We were using Al Queda to fight a proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. The US has, and will always be the world's arms dealer.
Your history is somewhat solid. Good point.
Problem is that we were fighting the Soviet expansion in the 80's. This was prior to the Talib's taking over everything including the culture of Afghanistan.
The Taliban took over AFTER we helped the Northern Aliiance kick the Soviets' ass. We left the Norther Alliance hanging in the breeze and the Talib's took over. And sheltered OBL.
I can blame Reagan for that, for not recognizing the threat the talib's would be 20 years later.
Remember Oliver North and prosecution of him? Iran/Contra? For selling arms behind the back of COngress? Remember that, Mr. Historian?
Oliver North served time for his role in that. Would you be okay with Hitlery also serving some nice-time in jail for her roll in Libya and Syrua?
She was THE PLAYER in that deal. She KNEW why Amb Stevens was going there. And she PROBABLY knew about the MANPADS being transferred from Libya to Syria to fund their civil-war. (Think Stingers in the 80's)
Very similar circumstances, if not worse because a SoS was involved and not a Lt. Col., like Ollie North.
What say you?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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He couldn't "FIX" his own marriage(s)...
He is sh!tty at "FIXING" things...
You have an uncanny ability to not look at the other option.
Did Hiltlery fix her husband's slutting around? No she ATTACKED THE WOMEN who spoke out about the abuse. She shitted all over them.
At least Donald has the decency to divorce people he could no longer get along with. And His ex-wife has nothing but good things to say about him.
But you'd never bring that up.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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You have an uncanny ability to not look at the other option.
Losing battle on these pol-lib-tard threads, Blue. ST is mostly populated by libs who cannot (on pain of admitting their cognitive dissonance) admit the fact that Clinton is every bit as bad as Trump and then some.
I hate 'em both! But both sides simply have to pretend that their candidate is somehow "better." That's the lie that both sides tell themselves, which keeps the sickness churning (and ever worsening) cycle by cycle. The libs on ST are relentless in demanding that their particular lie be believed.
When we the people finally admit that this (or, maybe, some future) cycle offered NO "better" choice, with NO "moral high ground," then we might just make some progress toward a party with moderate, compromise candidates that HONESTLY care about us rather than mega-corps, big-banking, and Wall Street. Black, brown, purple-with-pink-polka-dots, male, female, or other, etc., etc.... I don't care about any such things. That's the candidate I'm looking for.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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At least Donald has the decency to divorce people he could no longer get along with. And His ex-wife has nothing but good things to say about him
Once she was paid off sure and when he can't pay off the teenage girl he raped, he threatened her and her family.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Seems to me whatever they're doing, it's working
ROFL
It's "working" the same way that mutually-assured-destruction "worked" between the USA and USSR.
Gotcha.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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When we the people finally admit that this (or, maybe, some future) cycle offered NO "better" choice, with NO "moral high ground," then we might just make some progress toward a party with moderate, compromise candidates that HONESTLY care about us rather than mega-corps, big-banking, and Wall Street. Black, brown, purple-with-pink-polka-dots, male, female, or other, etc., etc.... I don't care about any such things. That's the candidate I'm looking for.
Yeah Martin Luther King had a dream too, good luck.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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When we the people finally admit that this (or, maybe, some future) cycle offered NO "better" choice, with NO "moral high ground," then we might just make some progress toward a party with moderate, compromise candidates that HONESTLY care about us rather than mega-corps, big-banking, and Wall Street. Black, brown, purple-with-pink-polka-dots, male, female, or other, etc., etc.... I don't care about any such things. That's the candidate I'm looking for.
I'm very biased, but I know what you mean. I slant hard-right, apparently. But I do realize that Rpubs are also to blame.
Nobody seems to care about the overall health of our country. Only which party is 'winning'. Woo-hoo!!!!
Meh...
I'm a 'health of the country' person. Country and family come WAAAYYYY before any f*#king political party. And that guides my path.
The reason I support Trump, and don't just denounce Hitley, is that Trump seems to be a man of the time to me. He is willing to f*#k both parties to accomplish a mission.
We need somebody to take a new look at a lot of things. Somebody who is not beholden to anybody else but himself, and his family.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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he raped, he threatened her and her family
So you've heard. From somebody. Who heard it from somebody else.
When the FBI Director stands up and states that, regarding ALL material points, Trump repeatedly lied about this case but that there's not enough evidence of "intent" to prosecute him, that'll have my attention.
Meanwhile, it's nothing but allegations, and Trump's innocent until proven guilty.
Remember that line y'all were perpetually harping on about regarding Clinton?
Like her, there's "smoke, but 'no evidence' of actual fire." That sword cuts both ways.
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