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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 12, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
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He'll be POTUS in 12 months - 18 max.
Given your (and the other libs') demonstrated (lack of) capacity to prognosticate, you have, frankly, zero-point-zero credibility to pontificate on this.
And, you should have learned your lesson on that point, but nooooo... somehow in your own mind you are credible to pontificate with predictions yet again.
It is to laugh.
I knew exactly what I was getting with Hillary.
BS
If you had, you could never have voted for her. Tell me again about her speech transcripts to mega-corps and big banking.
Oh, right, there's nothing to tell, because NOBODY on that side of the aisle wants it coming out what perspectives she shared and promises she made to those entities that have poured hundreds of millions into her political career.
If you KNEW what Clinton IS, you could not vote for her. You did because you don't.
You voted for her because you, like most Trump voters, are voting for a CARICATURE of the person. Strangely and incomprehensibly, you believe that you "rise above" and can SEE what others can't. But you've already been proved wrong on that very point.
The way our system has devolved, ONLY the SCOTUS matters now. Trying to load the court according to your own factious perspectives is ALL you can hope to do in these elections now. Everything that "goes your way" or doesn't in the way of administrative policy is pretty irrelevant.
And you don't even have any guarantees regarding SCOTUS picks. Who knows who will ultimately be Trump's picks (and get confirmed by whatever Congress is in place)? Who knows what Clinton's would really have been?
Anybody claiming "I know" is so insufferably arrogant and dismissive of the complexities of this mess that their opinion is thoroughly infused with credibility-lag!
So, yeah, keep jaw-jackin'. That's all it is. Your mouth is writing checks that reality isn't cashing for you.
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steve s
Trad climber
eldo
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Nov 12, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
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Long on words short on facts.^^^
Edit:
And substance. Pretty good at putting people down thou.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Nov 12, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
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"I only wish I had taken him up on his 5k bet. "
You never had the balls too.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 12, 2016 - 03:32pm PT
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no one likes a tattletale, Danny. - ty webb
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 12, 2016 - 03:40pm PT
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Long on words short on facts.^^^
The problem is that liberals don't recognize facts.
FACT: Liberals here spent YEARS relentlessly and stridently telling EVERYBODY how the Republican party was DEAD, how Clinton ABSOLUTELY would win, how there was nothing anybody could do to avoid that inevitable "landslide" outcome, and how liberalism "has already won" on EVERY liberal front.
FACT: Wow, what an epic pile of snake-droppings all those prognostications proved to be! And with such stridency, liberals have now virtually ensured that the SCOTUS will not even have the opportunity to become liberal for decades to come. So much for the "win" of liberalism.
FACT: Even now, liberals here have learned NOTHING from the above and continue spouting off their BS AS IF everything they predicted had proved to be the case.
FACT: This fact shows that liberals here cannot detect facts.
FACT: Anybody claiming to "know" a political candidate is not in touch with the FACTS.
That enough facts for you?
Can you dispute any of them? (Probably will try, since, FACT: liberals here don't seem to be able to recognize facts.)
The BEST thing liberals here could do, both in the short and long term, is radically tone down their rhetoric and try to humbly build bridges.
People like me would be very interested in making such progress, because I believe that BOTH parties are equally disgusting. But, noooo... we see that the liberal stridency is irrepressible, even in the face of the FACTS.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 12, 2016 - 03:41pm PT
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A few pics from the anti-Trump protest in DTLA, 11/12/2016.
There were thousands of people, and most were english speaking anglos.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Nov 12, 2016 - 03:51pm PT
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nwo2 wrote: "Butthurt too, Bob-duh? I would be, had I lost $500."
hahahaha... nice attempt at a failed cheap shot...
BDA was nothing but a stand up gentleman about the whole deal.
and considering he doesn't know me from shinola and he and i haven't exactly always seen eye to eye to boot, that speaks [at least to me] volumes about the kind of guy he is.
but it's the internet... so feel free to keep on keepin' on... :)
[and thanks again for coming through bob... trump/you already bought me a surf board... as my brother (who is an antiparticle to a trump supporter) said: "see, trump is already making america great again"... hahahaha]
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 12, 2016 - 03:58pm PT
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liberals don't recognize facts
Yes MB, I would agree, broad-brush strokes are the path forward. Nuance is for the limp.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Nov 12, 2016 - 04:14pm PT
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FACT: a republican did not win.
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Norton
Social climber
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Nov 12, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 12, 2016 - 04:25pm PT
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liberals don't recognize facts
Yes MB, I would agree, broad-brush strokes are the path forward. Nuance is for the limp.
Your sarcasm is based upon misquoting me. If you look throughout my post, you'll see that I mitigated that claim with the word "here" everyplace else in that post. So, if you're looking for "nuance," how about recognizing the "nuance" that a single word can convey. You know, a word like, "here."
There ARE some (few) exceptions, like Nah000, but the fact remains that "liberals HERE," including the one that just said I'm light on "facts," don't recognize facts.
Another "nuance" is that generalizations are not logically equivalent to universalizations. A generalization can be valid that would not be valid as a universalization.
I could help you out with more nuances, but nuances tend to take more verbiage to explain, and then there's this pitiful moaning and sniveling about WoTs. So, I'll just have to stop here and hope that you can fill in the "nuanced" pieces.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 12, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
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all the guys at this party, like, suu-uhhhck
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Nov 12, 2016 - 04:32pm PT
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Sorry, Madbolter, what you claimed as facts were not facts, but opinions about your conception of a liberal.
You want facts, Madbolter, look at what DT has actually done and said. And consider that he is bringing about 75 lawsuits against him into the Presidency as well as an investigation into fraud with "Trump U". No candidate has ever approached the Presidency with such a record, with such vulgarity and lack of dignity, and with so little experience. Those are facts.
Now let's see how he does. I note that he has already started backing up on Obamacare, and has contradicted the rants he delivered earlier about both Obama and Hillary. Perhaps he thinks that will make him look "Presidential", but his image is pretty well established.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Nov 12, 2016 - 04:43pm PT
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Overall I'm pretty liberal, and I recognize facts sufficiently to understand business problems and design complex systems to solve them using databases, storage systems, operating systems, scripting languages, web programming for back-end as well as user interface components, etc. My work spans from understanding the layperson's explanation of what they think they want, asking clarifying questions to help them more precisely articulate what they want and what their priorities and constraints are, educating them on the limitations of various technical system components that are involved, and proposing various solutions and sharing the pros/cons of each approach and making an overall recommendation, and then actually getting down and dirty and selecting components, programming each piece, designing interfaces between different elements and making sure the whole shebang comes together to do what it is supposed to do. Typically, this work is in the context of business problems relating to very large telecommunication systems that have hundreds or thousands of components with many types of communication protocols and cross-dependencies and in general, a pretty high degree of complexity.
It's not philosophy, but it requires some degree of rigor and adherence to logical principles, recognition of causation vs correlation, a firm grounding in reality and facts, etc.
Even with that, I somehow remain a person of social liberal values. And for what I am accustomed to calling facts, your last post is pretty short on them, Madbolter. For some reason I have flagged you as a person with a rigorous intellect, and I typically want to read what you have to say, but it gets difficult to look past the contempt and anger and frustration that comes out in almost everything you write.
Edit: To add a constructive way forward rather than just expressing my annoyance (oh the irony- because I didn't like something about how you communicated I did basically the same thing): I appreciate when you share your own perspectives on the relationship between individuals and society and governments, and discuss the merits of specific governing approaches or ways to solve different problems. But passing judgment on other people's judgments doesn't move forward any mutual understanding. I almost can't finish typing that sentence as I wince through my own irony... but I'll leave it as a form of self-abuse to remind me that I'm not as great as I think I am.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 12, 2016 - 05:25pm PT
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mb1 doesn't rely on facts, and his truths are different than most.
his truth is that he is a poor picked on misunderstood religious dude and has felt sorry for himself ever since his ropes got sh#t on. then he got his ass fired for doing the moral thing at a religious institution.
and he still hasn't learned.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Nov 12, 2016 - 05:56pm PT
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Sorry if the divisiveness sowed by the "Obama is a little girl who soiled his panties" alt-right republicans is coming back to roost on your noble "grab em by the pu$$ies" "I'll be dating her (a 10 year old girl) in ten years" president. I'll do my best to be better than those fake-christian as#@&%es are, now that I'm in their position. :-)
I take great offense at your continuing threats against our nation.
Oh the pain of your crocodile tears over the assault to our country's dignity of someone threatening your chosen pu$$y grabber in chief! Who's first thought when meeting a ten year old girl was how he's going to be f*cking her in ten years. Who you prayed for, while calling our first black (like your young daughter) president "a little girl who soiled his panties". I'm confident that you'll get over it, noble Cragman dad.
The difference between the "grab em by the pussy", "I'll be dating that 10 year old girl in ten years" stuff, and the "Obama is a little girl who soiled his panties" stuff, is that Trump actually did say those things - those are facts - you can go watch the video, or listen to the tape. The other stuff is just your b*llshit interpretation, even if you do like to convince yourself of it, even if Jesus did tell you it was a fact, or you like to label it with FACT.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 12, 2016 - 06:08pm PT
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it gets difficult to look past the contempt and anger and frustration that comes out in almost everything you write.
That's a pretty sweeping statement. I mean "almost everything." Wow.
Today, I could agree that there's "anger and frustration." Never contempt. I do believe that this thread is getting a bit of "thread bleed" from another, where several libs are expressing the hope that my family suffers cancer and bankruptcy while my wife and daughters (fortunately don't have any) get pussy-grabbed.
Of course, nobody's calling these posters out on such behavior. And nobody was calling out the "liberals" (the subset of them being vociferous on these threads) about the fact that the perpetual name-calling and vile accusations are indeed frustrating to those of us that are earnestly caring and for whom these threads are not just about "winning the smackdown".
If I'm guilty of any invalid generalizations here, one way I could be helped would be to see some of the obviously liberal posters here call out THEIR OWN on these behaviors rather than nit-picking me on my failure to use the word "here" in every location (I did miss one).
There are far more egregious "discussional crimes" taking place on these threads than that!
Yeah, frustration! Give me a break!
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 12, 2016 - 06:15pm PT
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Hawkeye, you must be channeling one of the haters from the way-back machine.
Your latest post (that I won't give the dignity of a quote, so you'll be able to delete it later with no record), shows that you are a truly disgusting person. Your posts have perpetually been filled with such vitriol and the game of limbo, "How low can we go?" that I seriously find myself shocked.
And the fact that none of your fellow libs here are not calling you on this vile behavior is itself outrageous.
When you guys let this sort of sh|t flow without a single word against it, you do make yourselves complicit.
Seriously, this level of "discussion" is utterly worthless. I leave you to your echo chamber.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 12, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
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^MB is shocked by the internet. Not shocked.
None of your fellow ingenues are calling you out on your naivete, MB. I am disgusted
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