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EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 27, 2016 - 11:08am PT
JEleazarian - Excellent post.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 27, 2016 - 11:21am PT
Nice post about the current admin going after small business.

Yes obama has not been much of a worker his entire life..

The big gross problem are lawers using the law to their money pocket advantage..
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 27, 2016 - 11:32am PT
ISÍS created by CIA, Mossad, Saudia Arabia & supported by Turkey.

Ask yourself, why hasn't israel been attacked by ISIS?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 27, 2016 - 11:33am PT
I knew we'd find some common ground...

Yes, me too. Case in point: I agree with all those points.

Thanks for the exchange. Fun!



Ps, Perhaps as you gathered, I meant to type "to zero" and not "by zero"

The solar power industry is a suitable example...


Pps, I'd just add (lastly) we can't expect gov (those bureaucrats, those humans) to always bat 1000. Some r & d, some experimenting (eg, "pilot programs" that don't always work out that adversaries - as a matter of course, it's to be expected - will ridicule) has its place. That's also how we get ahead. Keep what works, discard (and ridicule) what doesn't.
John M

climber
Jul 27, 2016 - 11:48am PT
wow Radical. Thats probably one of the ugliest things that I have seen you post.

Whats going on with you?

And I am in no way saying that liberals do not have problems. I most definitely believe that they do, but that article is ugly and filled with misdirected partial truths.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 27, 2016 - 11:50am PT
I used to think trump was mean, narcissistic, vindictive, and ignorant.

With his recent revisiting of his old claims about Cruz's dad being a Lee Harvey Oswald co-conspirator (why the fook did he bring that up?!?!) and his encouragement of Russia to hack state department emails so he can use it for political gains, I think for the first time in generations a major political party has nominated who is seriously nuts.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:04pm PT
Nuts or calculating?

Trump (like many Republicans) regularly use the strategy of 'so...people are saying <insert whacknut conspiracy>...I'm not saying this, but people are saying this...you should decide for yourself...I'm just sayin'....'

The whacknut conspiracy is obviously nuts, but the strategy is consciously, coldly calculating.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:12pm PT
Deregulation? Sure. Is that a Republican theme? Yes. I just get frustrated when someone takes that to the extreme, as if any sane person advocates for no regulation or no government.

I have a long list of issues where I cannot stand with the Republicans. But this argument that the centralized Federal government is running amok, that regulation is out of control, is an issue which I think is real. Does that mean that I am against having a government and advocate for zero regulation? No.

Given how often Reagan's name gets invoked (mentioned just doesn't seem right), for instance in primary debates, it seems Reagan still has defined most Republicans.

In a closed meeting Reagan may have agreed that some regulation was needed, just as you have. But publicly he beat the drum that government was the problem. And too many R primary voters take the attitude that getting rid of regulation is always a good thing. (And unfortunately, most Republican politicians fear losing their primary more than the general).

However, my post that was referenced, was actually pushing back that the deregulation and resulting financial crisis was a bi-partisan affair. And no it wasn't. Does Big Wall Street money influence Democrats also, sure. But it was Republicans that laid the groundwork that getting rid of regulation is a good thing.

For instance:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/29/861900/-

Glass-Steagall was designed to prevent exactly the kind of collaboration that brought us the Goldman-Sachs fraud. Glass-Steagall was repealed in 1999 by a Republican-controlled Congress who pushed for the passage of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley bill. Gramm-Leach-Bliley was named after its three sponsors, all of them Republicans: Congressmen Phil Gramm (R-Texas), Jim Leach (R-Iowa) and Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R-Virginia). The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act tore down the regulatory framework that would have helped protect against the sub-prime mortgage bubble and the speculation that led to a collapse of the market where speculators traded the "derivative" securities that were created from those sub-prime mortgages.
matlinb

Trad climber
Fort Collins, CO
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:15pm PT
JEleazarian

I only looked at the first of your allegations of business hostile actions by the current administration:
Labor: Threatening Boeing with a federal lawsuit if it chose to produce a new aircraft in a right-to-work state

If I read things correctly, Boeing CEO Jim Albaugh told a reporter - on video - that the reason for locating the 787 Dreamliner assembly line to South Carolina was, "The overriding factor was not the business climate. And it was not the wages we are paying today. It was that we can't afford to have a work stoppage every three years." The Union claimed that was retaliation for past strikes.

The NLRB brought the case before a NLRB administrative law judge, but the case was dropped before a judgement on the request of the union - which had come to an agreement with Boeing.

www.americanbar.org


nlrb material

I would encourage people to look at the above two urls and make up their own mind if this was hostile, Personally, I think it was a balanced approach.

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:17pm PT
This is as old as the hills, but worth repeating:

"Democracy: Two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Republic: A Democracy where two hundred wolves and one hundred lambs elect two wolves and one lamb as their representatives to vote on what to have for lunch.

Constitutional Republic: A Republic with a Constitution guaranteeing that lamb is not on the lunch menu. Eventually the Supreme Court rules - five wolves to four lambs - that mutton is not the same as lamb."

Hillary proposes to nominate the fifth wolf to the Court.


The Constitution is explicitly designed to protect the minority against the majority. A majority of voters can't prevent Muslims from building a mosque. A majority can't prohibit guns. A majority can't prevent gays from getting married.

People generally seem to think the Court is following the Constitution when the decisions match their politics. Not surprisingly. But I sure don't see where the liberal justices are any more wolflike than the conservatives.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:21pm PT
The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act tore down the regulatory framework that would have helped protect against the sub-prime mortgage bubble and the speculation that led to a collapse of the market where speculators traded the "derivative" securities that were created from those sub-prime mortgages.

I've seen that article of liberal faith posted innumerable times since 2006, but I have yet to read a cogent explanation of how the repeal of Glass-Steagall caused the meltdown of the subprime market.

From my perspective as an econometrician and an attorney limiting his practice to commercial law, secured lending and debtor-creditor relations, the subprime market collapsed when the unsustainable housing price run-up ran into a lack of buyers able and willing to pay the exaggerated price of housing. The derivative market enabled some entities to place very risky bets, but nothing in the repeal of G-S forced the taxpayers to cover those bets.

And DMT, I agree that the DNC and Clinton brought Trump's Russia barb on their own heads, but I still can't revel in the substance. If foreign government operatives successfully hacked Clinton's email server, the damage to the US national interest should frighten us. If for no other reason than that, I hope any hack didn't happen, even though I fear it did.

All of this, of course, shows the wisdom in electing a climber president. Vote Johnson/Weld!

John
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
People generally seem to think the Court is following the Constitution when the decisions match their politics. Not surprisingly. But I sure don't see where the liberal justices are any more wolflike than the conservatives.

When it comes to the Bill of Rights, the liberals have no problem interpreting "Congress shall make no law" to mean "Congress shall make no law that we dislike." They similarly have no problem interpreting "The right of the people shall not be abridged" to mean "The right of the people shall not be abridged unless we want to."

I am unaware of a similar trend by the so-called conservative justices.

John
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:36pm PT
obesity on parade and chairs with large ass prints
Cragman

Oh, wait, wait, I know this one! It's about a woman, right? Did this come straight from the Trump campaign? If not, kudos on role modeling his style!

But Michelle rocked it in her delivery. Her content .... not so much.
Cragman

Right, all her weak sauce about being good role models for our children ... pshaw!! But, hey, she looked good saying it! No fat butt there, huh?

Trump is a perfect role model for some of us.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:41pm PT
"ISÍS created by CIA, Mossad, Saudia Arabia & supported by Turkey.
Created by western corrupt powers as proxy terrorists to control western corporate interests."

No, the CIA tried to stop the creation of ISIS. Dick Cheney and his political appointees personally intervened to save Al Zarqawi in order to promote the neocon claim that there were terrorists in IRAQ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi#Pre-war_assassination_opportunities
Pre-war assassination opportunities

According to NBC News, the Pentagon had pushed to "take out" Zarqawi's operation at least three times prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but had been vetoed by the National Security Council.[116] The NSC reportedly made its decision in an effort to convince other countries to join the U.S. in a coalition against Iraq. "People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president’s policy of pre-emption against terrorists," said former National Security Council member Roger Cressey.[117]

In May 2006, former CIA official Michael Scheuer, who headed the CIA's bin Laden unit for six years before resigning in 2004, corroborated this. Paraphrasing his remarks, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation stated Scheuer claimed, "the United States deliberately turned down several opportunities to kill terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the lead-up to the Iraq war." ABC added, "a plan to destroy Zarqawi's training camp in Kurdistan was abandoned for diplomatic reasons." Scheuer explained, "the reasons the intelligence service got for not shooting Zarqawi was simply that the President and the National Security Council decided it was more important not to give the Europeans the impression we were gunslingers" in an effort to win support for ousting Saddam Hussein.[118]

This claim was also corroborated by CENTCOM's Deputy Commander, Lieutenant General Michael DeLong, in an interview with PBS on February 14, 2006. DeLong, however, claims that the reasons for abandoning the opportunity to take out Zarqawi's camp was that the Pentagon feared that an attack would contaminate the area with chemical weapon materials: "We almost took them out three months before the Iraq war started. We almost took that thing, but we were so concerned that the chemical cloud from there could devastate the region that we chose to take them by land rather than by smart weapons."[119]

In his 2010 memoir Decision Points, President Bush recounted: "The question was whether to bomb the poisons lab in the summer of 2002. We held a series of NSC meetings on that topic... Colin [Powell] and Condi [Condoleezza Rice] felt a strike on the lab would create an international firestorm and disrupt our efforts to build a coalition to confront Saddam... I decided to continue on the diplomatic track."[120]

[there was no diplomatic track. That was a fake show leading up to the invasion]


http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2836632&msg=2840089#msg2840089
dirtbag

climber
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:49pm PT
I think the hacking thing is funny, myself. Ms. Clinton brought that sh#t on herself and she has no one to blame but the mirror.

DNC got hacked? Stupid f*#kers. Like big banks, credit card companies and the Target Corp., perhaps they'll learn a lesson?

And these people want to run a country???




Well anyone is prone to hacking. So I'm not quite ready to play the stupid f*#kers shoulda known better card.

I'm not going to defend Schultz's conduct, for that matter.


But when you have a presidential candidate musing that he'd wish Russia would hack state department emails so he can get a leg up in his campaign, we have a problem.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:50pm PT
Good to have you back Riley.

I rarely post on these politard threads, but the combination of you being back, and something that happened in my neighborhood last night is pushing me to post today.

You said
Trump is the same Democrat he has always been.

Which may or may not be true. You've also said he seems like a decent guy who's been painted as horrible by the press and by his political rivals.

But the same cannot be said about some of his supporters. Take a look at the note below, left on the doorstep of a mixed-race family in my neighborhood last night. Especially note the last line.

If I remember my supertopo history, you, too, are in a mixed-race marriage (as am I) and have children. How would you like to find that note on your doorstep?

And to come back to Trump himself: If he's the decent guy you believe him to be, why hasn't he come down hard on supporters like this one? He seems to tacitly encourage this kind of behavior.

Anyway, here's the message that one trump supporter left for my neighbor (who passed it on to the police and the local news media)...



Norton

Social climber
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:53pm PT
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,"

remarkably true, Donald!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:53pm PT
Hey August - The final bill of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act was passed by the Senate 90–8 and by the House 362–57. Let's quit pretending the Democrats weren't on board.

Ghost - That's disgusting. Glad to hear your neighbors passed to on to the police and media.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 27, 2016 - 12:55pm PT
"You've also said he seems like a decent guy who's been painted as horrible by the press and by his political rivals."


<Insert Trump disability mocking image>


Poor, poor 'Democrat' Trump.

What a bunch unmitigated, head-up-the-a*#, complete detachment from reality bullsh#t.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 27, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
Poll: Clinton extends lead over Trump


(CNN)Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by six points, 44% to 38%, in a Fox News poll of registered voters released Wednesday, marking an uptick from similar polls released in May and June.

CNN's Poll of Polls -- an average of results for the five most recent publicly released national polls that meet CNN's standards for publication -- has Clinton leading Trump 46% to 40%.

Her lead among women in this latest round -- 51% to 32% -- outpaces Trump's with men, where his edge has dwindled to 10 points, 46% to 36%.
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