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Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 26, 2016 - 01:55pm PT
Cone on John
Ignoring the cost of this administration's hostile actions toward business continues to cost Americans jobs.

What are these hostile actions toward businesses specifically??????????

And you claim that they are 100% due to Obama's policies?????
and what environmental regulations are causing our economy so much trouble?

Please respond with some back up.
Because these claims have zero bearing in reality
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 26, 2016 - 01:56pm PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/26/why-would-russia-interfere-in-the-u-s-election-because-it-usually-works/

An example of the irresponsible impact that Trump is already having, and the trend of which should scare the sh*t out of everyone:

Why would Russia interfere in the U.S. election? Because it sometimes works.

More generally, an intervention can only succeed if someone in the targeted country chooses to cooperate with the outside power. American and Soviet interventions only worked because the rival superpowers could find parties whose beliefs (or greed) proved simpatico. But the Soviet Union never successfully intervened in an American election because no major political figure would want to be associated with the Soviet Union. Collaboration would have been unthinkable.

Until this week, one would have thought that a similar taboo would have applied to profiting from the apparent theft and release of documents by a foreign actor in an attempt to influence an American election. Giving credence to such documents might seem tempting, especially if juicy revelations seemed to undermine a rival. Of course, such documents could easily be forged (as some in the DNC leak may have been). And, more important, even if the documents are real, their release hardly constitutes a public good, since a foreign power would be deciding what gets released and when in the pursuit of its own self interest.

The best strategy for the national interest, then, would be to put such documents beyond the pale. Yet the Trump campaign has embraced the tactical upside of the scandal, with the candidate himself even taking to Twitter to celebrate the Democrats’ misfortune. Regardless of whether this document leak was the product of a foreign government’s actions, Trump’s choice raises the likelihood that the next one will be.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 26, 2016 - 02:06pm PT
fear
why do you continue to throw out these lies about Hillary in every post
Hoping if you say it enough that someone might agree?
Hillary will continue to murder in the ME

So some other idiot will chime in, Yeah, she's a real killer alright, at least Trump isn't a murderer.
so lame


Hillary did not order the death of a single human on this planet ever, and she didn't do it with her own hands.
Any possible deaths that she would have had any involvement with would of been publicized, and that hasn't happened.

So mathematically, she has murdered exactly ZERO humans
not the thousands that you lie about

if you want to place blame, you got to go to the top, Obama, she was representing the Obama Administration's policies, she wasn't allowed to go rouge and do anything she wanted.
That's what Secretary's of State do, represent the President's agenda.

jeese, get real
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 26, 2016 - 02:22pm PT
John Lewis
Great speech!!

"There are forces that want to take us back 50 years.

We are not going back, we are going forward!
You gotta vote harder this year than you ever ever voted before!"
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 26, 2016 - 02:36pm PT
Escopeta, you are welcome to add substance to this thread.

Add? You're kidding right? That implies that whining about mean Mr Flophair and advocating for Hillary is somehow rife with content and substance?

Good grief.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 02:59pm PT
Anyone else nervous about other sh#t bombs Assange might drop?
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jul 26, 2016 - 03:32pm PT
Nice try, Norton, but the Democrats own the anemia in this recovery, since all of the policies that weakened it are theirs. The housing bubble had bipartisan parents, as shown by the bipartisan agreement on making housing easier to purchase for those who could not really afford it, and keeping Fannie and Freddie operating as they were, despite warnings from conservatives, and repeated editorials in the Wall Street Journal, among others, for years about their dangers. Mssrs. Dodd and Frank were two of the most active people in maintaining the housing expansion's status quo, and resisting reform. Those expecting Dodd and Frank to fix the problems they helped create engaged in Einsteinian insanity.

The Republicans since Goldwater/Reagan were the party of deregulate it, deregulate it, deregulate it. Sure, the Democrats eventually got on board the band wagon (not to their credit), but Reagan laid the foundation that any government is bad. Getting rid of any regulation is good. The private sector will always do better.

The roll of Fannie and Freddie has also been greatly exageratted, but whatever.

The real issue, 2008 was not a garden variety recession. For instance, Reagans recession in 82 was because the Fed jacked up interest rates to kill inflation. It put the country in recession and worked. As soon as rates were cut, the economy roared back.

2008 was a banking crisis and debt de-leveraging. Countries don't make quick recoveries from those. Compared to other Western countries the US did extremely well. The "it could have been worse" argument is a political hard sell. That doesn't make it wrong.

For all that I hate about the Bush administration, they actually did a pretty good job after Lehman collapsed. A bi-partisan congress actually gave the Fed/Treasury the tools to avert another Great Depression. If the stimulus had been bigger, the country would have bounced back quicker, but for a once-in-a-generation (we hope) banking crisis, not too bad.

Dodd Frank does some good things and some bad. It does add a lot of paper work for small firms, but given how incrediably complicated of a finance system this country has created and the difficulty of getting legislation through congress, there is not much help for that. It does explicitly prevent the Fed/Treasury from using some of the tools they used in the last crises to avert disaster.

Making it harder to pump in money during a crisis is likely to make the next one will be far worse.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 03:35pm PT
Instead of breaking it down for ya, let's sum it up.

Summary
The savings and loan crisis of the 1980s and early
1990s produced the greatest collapse of U.S. financial
institutions since the Great Depression. Over the
1986–1995 period, 1,043 thrifts with total assets of over
$500 billion failed. The large number of failures overwhelmed
the resources of the FSLIC, so U.S. taxpayers
were required to back up the commitment
extended to insured depositors of the failed institutions.
As of December 31, 1999, the thrift crisis had
cost taxpayers approximately $124 billion and the
thrift industry another $29 billion, for an estimated
total loss of approximately $153 billion. The losses
were higher than those predicted in the late 1980s,
when the RTC was established, but below those forecasted
during the early to mid-1990s, at the height of
the crisis.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Jul 26, 2016 - 03:45pm PT
Craig, I disagree that the Secretary of State is less powerful than the president. The Secretary of State is the most powerful appointment in the world, it is usually an extremely powerful person and only rarely (mostly recently) a figurehead. Take Henry Kissinger....please.



Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 26, 2016 - 04:10pm PT
Wikipedia

Henry Alfred Kissinger born Heinz Alfred Kissinger [haɪnts ˈalfʁɛt ˈkɪsɪŋɐ]; born May 27, 1923) is an American diplomat and political scientist. He served as National Security Advisor and later concurrently as United States Secretary of State in the administrations of presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.

He was a Republican, no comparison to modern times

Is Colin Powell personally responsible for all the deaths associated with 9/11, and the Afghanistan and Iraq occupations?

No
Bush and Cheney are responsible
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 26, 2016 - 04:26pm PT
The Republicans since Goldwater/Reagan were the party of deregulate it, deregulate it, deregulate it. Sure, the Democrats eventually got on board the band wagon (not to their credit), but Reagan laid the foundation that any government is bad. Getting rid of any regulation is good. The private sector will always do better.

The oldest debating tactic. Exaggerate the other sides positions to the point of absurdity to make your position make more sense. Nobody, least of all Reagan, has suggested that all government is bad. Just that in many situations government is the problem, not the solution.

Unless you think that government is incapable of doing wrong, then you have to get this point. The Federal government enacts thousands of new regulations each year. We're not talking about clean air and water, or throwing granny off the cliff.

The FDA is declaring war on companies like DoTerra, which produce and sell essential oils. They just passed 500 pages of regulations on e-cigarettes. How about drug "regulations" which lead to the incarceration of huge numbers of people with substance abuse problems who do not belong in jail, but rather in rehab. The EPA sends drones over ranches, and if the rancher has made a pond to water his cattle they can and have declared said pond to be wetlands, and levy fines against the rancher. So now we have an un-elected agency making law and setting fines. I could list pages of this crap. Regulation is so deeply rooted that most of us cannot avoid being in violation of one or more tax laws or some other regulation which justifies the existence of the bureaucracy but hurts the citizen.

So taking a stand against over-regulation and big government over-reach is not anti government.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 05:41pm PT
Cost of the Reagan S&L dereg, $153 billion.


The cost of not dying from cncer? Priceless.


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
Hillary did not order the death of a single human on this planet ever, and she didn't do it with her own hands.
Any possible deaths that she would have had any involvement with would of been publicized, and that hasn't happened.

Craig, sure she did and of course it wasn't with her own hands.

Do a little research on the original meddling in Libya. If anything Obama wasn't fully on board although he did ultimately sign off on it.

Listen to her cackle about the murder of Qaddafi...

She's a murderer, plain and simple.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:15pm PT
plain and simple
You don't know what the hell you are talking about


The Libya intervention was a UN Security Counsel Resolution
Hillary didn't have anything to do with the decision to intervene or the outcome

The total death count was less than a 1000
Gadhafi promised to kill 10's of thousands of his own people

The UN saved those people's lives!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:32pm PT
plain and simple
You don't know what the hell you are talking about


Craig, he's a buffoon, as glib and flip and relentlessly negative as a few others here. Why bother.

Oh and thoroughly erroneous on all the important stuff.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:37pm PT
Nobody, least of all Reagan, has suggested that all government is bad. Just that in many situations government is the problem, not the solution.

You obviously did not hear him speak the words that defined Republican thinking for a generation.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 26, 2016 - 09:04pm PT

Listen to her cackle about the murder of Qaddafi...
She's a murderer, plain and simple.

Didn't Ronald Reagan try to kill Qaddafi in the 80s?
Yes he did, via F14s. In fact Qaddafi's daughter was killed
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 26, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
Those pesky details about Reagan...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 26, 2016 - 09:45pm PT
^^^right. bill kinda reminded me of ron tonight :)


man, i really dig F14's!not for what they did, but for they can do)
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 26, 2016 - 09:52pm PT
You obviously did not hear him speak the words that defined Republican thinking for a generation.

Actually I dd. Context means something. But then I had the privilege to meet and work with Reagan. Those words didn't define sh*t. Sorry.

Do you honestly think that Reagan defined Republican thinking about anything for a generation?
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