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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 26, 2016 - 11:25am PT
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So, just to be clear; when Hillary gets elected are we still blaming Bush or will we switch to Obeezy?
Interesting Repub logic: someone murders someone, and as time goes on, put the blame on somebody else.
Bush will ALWAYS own Iraq and Afghanistan. For the rest of recorded history.
Otherwise, when do we start blaming Bush for Monica??????
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 26, 2016 - 11:35am PT
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Curious, and yet almost all of you retards are going to simply vote from more of the same.
More of the same has meant a gradually improving economy, jobs, stock market. Sudden lurches are probably mostly a bad idea, except in times of crisis, which is not now.
I also like the concept of serious examination of where the increased productivity of workers has resulted in no hikes in their wages, but record increases in executive compensation, corporate earnings.
You really have to feel sorry for the well off----having to sit at home, biting their nails, trying to figure out the best investment to put their tax rebates into.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 26, 2016 - 11:37am PT
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No matter what we think of the candidates in this election, the leaks of Clinton's emails, with the promise of more to come, is good news for Putin. It's not so clear that it's good news for this country.
Not to call you on an error, John, but the leaked emails were NOT Clinton's. I'm not sure if that was a subtle attempt to morph the problem into a person action by her, which it was definitely NOT.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jul 26, 2016 - 11:49am PT
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Ken,
"Well off" is a broad spectrum. I'm just curious for something more specific.
A salaried or self employed professional making 300K? (i.e. doctor, executive, small business...)
Or how much net worth?
Tax rebates?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 26, 2016 - 11:49am PT
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Correction accepted, Ken. I just assumed the worst. As one person in the intelligence community put it, though, "I would lose respect for any foreign intelligence agency that did not hack her private server." I just worry that the Wikileaks actions could be a sort of partisanship first, with no regard to the damage done to our country. Whether we're Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or unaffiliated, we should hope that the hacks we fear never happened, and we should not be gleeful if they did and the contents exposed. Any such leaks represent potentially incalculable damage to the USA.
John
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 26, 2016 - 11:50am PT
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Otherwise, when do we start blaming Bush for Monica??????
Not to be picky, but Hillary already did, assuming he's part of the vast, right-wing conspiracy.
John
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c wilmot
climber
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Jul 26, 2016 - 11:58am PT
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I am glad the dnc got hacked.it shows how corrupt the system is
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:03pm PT
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C wilmot and Putin find common ground.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:04pm PT
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amnesia again
unbelievable
you, John, personally OWN the Recession and the worst foreign policy failure in Iraq
because you voted Republican again in 04 and the consequences of future rising national debt due to a massive tax cut at the same time as war in Iraq
you own the Recession, your party had the Presidency, House, and Senate from 2000-2006 when the economy was fast sliding into rapidly slowing growth and then Recession
and make no mistake about it, John, it was the abject failure of the republican philosophy of NOT regulating markets that caused the implosion in both CDOs and MBSs, do not ever ever let a Republican voter open their mouth about "economy", they have zero credibliity
and then incredibly when Bush slunk out of office the economy was losing 500,000 jobs a month, so what does JohnE do, he points out the the recovery from recession was not fast enough for his liking, give me a break
your dog sh#t on the carpet and my wife did not clean it up fast enough?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:06pm PT
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Correction accepted, Ken. I just assumed the worst. As one person in the intelligence community put it, though, "I would lose respect for any foreign intelligence agency that did not hack her private server." I just worry that the Wikileaks actions could be a sort of partisanship first, with no regard to the damage done to our country. Whether we're Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or unaffiliated, we should hope that the hacks we fear never happened, and we should not be gleeful if they did and the contents exposed. Any such leaks represent potentially incalculable damage to the USA.
John
On this we certainly agree......
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c wilmot
climber
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:07pm PT
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Sure do. Putin fights Isis while Clinton and Obama aid the " rebels" who are .... Isis.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:10pm PT
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Ken,
"Well off" is a broad spectrum. I'm just curious for something more specific.
A salaried or self employed professional making 300K? (i.e. doctor, executive, small business...)
Or how much net worth?
Tax rebates?
Our tax system is based upon income, not net worth, so I'm willing to accept your definition of that. Anyone making 300K (and that's NET, not GROSS) is certainly not living in poverty, nor worried about where their next meal will come from.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:21pm PT
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Nice try, Norton, but the Democrats own the anemia in this recovery, since all of the policies that weakened it are theirs. The housing bubble had bipartisan parents, as shown by the bipartisan agreement on making housing easier to purchase for those who could not really afford it, and keeping Fannie and Freddie operating as they were, despite warnings from conservatives, and repeated editorials in the Wall Street Journal, among others, for years about their dangers. Mssrs. Dodd and Frank were two of the most active people in maintaining the housing expansion's status quo, and resisting reform. Those expecting Dodd and Frank to fix the problems they helped create engaged in Einsteinian insanity.
That said, I agree that trying conduct two wars and a prescription drug benefit with no increase in government revenue contributed to the deficit, and the Republicans own the blame there. Trying to blame tax cuts for the miserable economic performance now, however, defies both facts and analysis. Ignoring the cost of this administration's hostile actions toward business continues to cost Americans jobs. Too bad the Democrats' mirrors have broken.
John
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:27pm PT
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I am glad Bernie sees those problems and keeps fighting for us.
"US"? More hilarity from the OP.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
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The revolution must continue!
Begs the question, does the revolution continue if Clinton is elected, or if trump is elected?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:35pm PT
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:55pm PT
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How convenient for the politicians that people are deluded into thinking its the corporations that are ruining the country.....
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jul 26, 2016 - 01:05pm PT
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Some might be proud we have enough military to kill everybody on the Earth many times over, but I feel ashamed.
Oh, and we're steadily working on that. Neither puppet candidate wants to touch that third rail topic. Hillary will continue to murder in the ME (because she's a proven member of that club) and Donald would likely too (to make us great again). Sick.
And what's the real expense of having our killing machine encompass the entire world? Probably 2-3x the number you read in the budget.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 26, 2016 - 01:10pm PT
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I am glad Bernie sees those problems and keeps fighting for us. The revolution must continue!
Another card carrying member of the SuperTopo Robespierre Chowder and Marching Society!
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