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apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 24, 2016 - 03:45pm PT

Locker +1

I swear, Republicans aren't happy unless they are fighting somebody, somewhere.

Norton

Social climber

Jul 24, 2016 - 03:59pm PT

here you go, Locker

No US President has succeeded in the targeted killing of more terrorists than Obama

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/apr/18/who-killed-more-terrorists-obama-or-bush/

nah000

climber

no/w/here

Jul 24, 2016 - 04:09pm PT

thanks John M... interesting.

i differ in that i suspect either one is equally as unlikely to get us all in a third world war... in part due to the checks and balances that are in place. but fair enough on the other perspective.

if i thought clinton was, relative to the spectrum as a whole, anything other than a rebranded romney i could see voting for her solely because of the upcoming supreme court placements.

but in my book the danger of voting in at least four more years of a status quo that has resulted in a national scene that has moved from supporting the mildly crazy but mostly inconsequential palin to the outright vacuous and one vote away from president, mr. trump, outweighs the cost of the supreme court nominations.

that's why at least at this point i'd be voting for little meteor 2016 [aka trump/pence].

but it's a conundrum for sure.

John M

climber

Jul 24, 2016 - 04:28pm PT

I do not believe that checks and balances could stop a third WW. If Trump pisses off the Chinese by saying that he will default on the debt, and he has already said this, and then if the Chinese do something even more stupid in the Sea of China, such as firing on a US war ship, which is not far fetched, and they manage to damage it seriously, or sink it, then the American public might rise up like it did after 9/11, and we could have a third WW.

Its not a matter of congress saying no. Its a matter of what China or Russia would do if pushed too far. And between Hillary or Trump, I believe that Trump would push the farthest and the craziest.

Trump does not have the emotional stability to play the chess match that world politics is. He is a bully. Bullies start fights. That is what he is best at.

This is my opinion. Everyone should decide for themselves who is best for this country.

wilbeer

Mountain climber

Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,

Jul 24, 2016 - 04:34pm PT

"but it's a conundrum for sure."

Light the effen fuse ,make merica burn again!

HS.

wilbeer

Mountain climber

Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,

Jul 24, 2016 - 04:35pm PT

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Jul 24, 2016 - 04:56pm PT

outweighs the cost of the supreme court nominations.

this is who We The People should be vot'in for! they're the one's that deal with our lives. who give's a fuc whose president, he/she's more concerned with the rest of the world anyway.....

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 24, 2016 - 05:01pm PT

"Get it? He does nothing!"...

Try telling that to Osama Bin Laden...

Locker, he was the sitting prez as Navy SEAL's destroyed Obama, so Obama gets the praise?

Obama is rad beacuse he got Osama? That's his achievement?

wilbeer

Mountain climber

Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,

Jul 24, 2016 - 05:07pm PT

Yes, either one of you blue dudes,that is his achievement,5% UE as well.

You are right.

[never mind us down here on the bottom of the ladder]

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Jul 24, 2016 - 05:11pm PT

finally one last rant: nobody on this board seems to give a shIt that the dnc, that is supposed to be a neutral organization, has been proven, by the most recent wikileaks email dump, to be in bed with both hillary [proving the "bernie-bros" and anybody with open eyes correct] and many media services as well [my personal favorite so far was the "agreement" a politico reporter had with the dnc to have them review his story before even his editors had and which along with everything else that was shown proves at least to some degreee the ole smoking duck and fox network correct regarding their left wing media bias and cia news network claims]

And you'd have to convince me that you are not s simple liar.

The wikileaks demonstrates that the DNC had a bias, but it does not show "it was in bad" with Hillary.

As for your childish understanding of the media, it is standard journalistic practice to forward a copy of article to the subject, or to experts, for comment.

Working for TIME, I did exactly that with a water article I wrote, asking LADWP folks for their thoughts. They had a couple of very small suggested changes, which were correct and made.

This was done with the Watergate article, submitted to Nixon for comment before publishing.

This is the thing with you guys, you won't take something for what it is, you have to distort it in an effort to magnify it.

WBraun

climber

Jul 24, 2016 - 05:12pm PT

They killed all seal team 6 because they were afraid they would spill the beans on the bullsh!t Bin Laden ops .......

"How are the American people ever going to know what the truth is?

How are they going to know what the truth is about what we are doing and have done over the years?"

"We operate in secrecy, we deal in deception and disinformation, and then we burn our files."

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Jul 24, 2016 - 05:15pm PT

this is who We The People should be vot'in for! they're the one's that deal with our lives. who give's a fuc whose president, he/she's more concerned with the rest of the world anyway.....

There it is, folks! In the quest for power, that side is willing to discard the Constitution at the first opportunity.

You don't have to pretend that the Founders knew what they were doing.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Jul 24, 2016 - 05:18pm PT

"Get it? He does nothing!"...

Try telling that to Osama Bin Laden...
+++++++++++++++++++++

Locker, he was the sitting prez as Navy SEAL's destroyed Obama, so Obama gets the praise?

Obama is rad beacuse he got Osama? That's his achievement?

No, you advocated that he DOES NOTHING. That means NOT ONE THING.
Locker refuted your statement.
You lose this argument.

Glad you think that Carter had no responsibility for the FAILED RAID to rescue hostages, just because he was the sitting President, and the military failed.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Jul 24, 2016 - 05:23pm PT

I know this: if Trump had been President during the Cuban missile crisis, we'd have fought WWIII right then. He would not have backed down.

It was resolved through diplomacy, of which Clinton is a demonstrated experienced expert, and Trump has no clue.

We derive much through diplomacy, and the willingness to discard it for Muscular talk about the military INSTEAD, is what is driving business to abandon the republicans.

Not only does it demonstrate that they'd elect a madman, but it calls into question the very rationality of those who allowed this decision to be made.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Jul 24, 2016 - 05:33pm PT

They killed all seal team 6 because they were afraid they would spill the beans on the bullsh!t Bin Laden ops .......

that's interesting. i know of one of team 6 that was killed in an Elon Musk's Tesla's AI controlled cars! that's been on the hush for months.there's MORE?

i bet a cheeseburger EM works for the syndicate too!

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Jul 24, 2016 - 05:49pm PT

Craig, communism and socialism (by Lenin’s definition) are ideologies born of the left. Totalitarianism has no ideology.

Correct. One of my pet peeves are people who confuse an ideology
with a dictatorship.
Read Das Kapital, and get the true meaning of Marxism/Communism.
The Soviet Union would still be around today if not for corruption. In fact, the demise of the Soviet Union was more about corruption, and less about "tear down this wall".
Furthermore, The Chinese government is more totalitarian than communist. The fly in the ointment in that case is something called capitalism.