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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 12, 2016 - 08:10pm PT
We gotta post somewhere....



Bernie endorsed Clinton (weakly?).
Trump turned down an invitation to talk to the NAACP.



Please don't be dicks.
Werner....don't bother ducking in here (get it?)





Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 12, 2016 - 08:16pm PT
We gotta post somewhere....

Why?
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 12, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 12, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
Petty thief and ass_hole who could surf.

Compare e.g. with Lopez.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:26am PT
What happened to the other Politipocalypse thread?

Did it get the chop from the Mods? Or nuked?


It's interesting how the polititard traffic dropped off after the 'Ready for..?' threads got whacked...even with the resurrection of the Politipocalypse thread, it just didn't get as much action.

I'm sure the mods were happy about that. That's fine- it's their place, after all.

But maybe this thread needs a title that is more catchy...inflammatory...

How about 'Trumpocalypse 2016' ?
couchmaster

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:35am PT

As the moderators locked that thread, why restart a new one? Are we just trying to piss them off? Can't we just stop this kind of stuff and talk climbing?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:39am PT
Cataracts are the third leading cause of blindness, the top two are politics and religion.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:39am PT
Why indeed.
Don't you people have something better to do? Jobs? Families? Hobbies? Do you really enjoy spending your entire day posting here, arguing back and forth, calling each other names?

Get a life.
couchmaster

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:41am PT


^^^LOL^^^
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:42am PT
We post at Work!

you guys haven't figured that out yet

we are bored as hell and want to talk to our buddies and debate current issues

what could be so wrong about that?

I'm sitting at an f-ing desk, with piles of work surrounding me

and I want to take a quick diversion every so often and post to ST.

believe me, I need diversions every 10 minutes or so.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:44am PT
sorry, no time to post a WOT, I promised myself I would reorganize my thimble collection today.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:56am PT
You people are easily offended.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 13, 2016 - 11:13am PT
"Seems like the Mods are trying
to quash our 1st amendment rights."


Ummm...it's a privately owned website, folks. They can do with it as they like.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 13, 2016 - 12:08pm PT
I'm with craig
beats drinking too much coffee and it is more efficient

Hear, hear!

John
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 12:15pm PT
Ummm...it's a privately owned website, folks. They can do with it as they like.

Sarcasm: learn it, know it, live it.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
He's playing in the sprinkler in the back yard.....want me to ask him?
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 13, 2016 - 01:37pm PT
Before this thread is nuked and we meet on the "What Song are you listening to right now" climbing thread, you have to watch GW Bush tearing it up in Dallas yesterday.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:06pm PT
That guy dancing was our fearless leader, still the worst president ever.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:07pm PT
still the worst president ever.

Only for another couple months....
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:10pm PT
Some Republicans say they don't support Trump

I say most of them are liars, they may not like him, but they will vote for him, which equals support no matter how you define it.

Poll: Trump leads Clinton in Florida; too close to call in Ohio, Pennsylvania

Now I'm getting scared..
Trump is pulling ahead in some very important States.

If Trump wins I will never forgive all the whiny liberals that wouldn't vote for Hillary because they are too pure of heart or whatever

so in other words you don't care who wins and when Trump wins it will because of people like you that Don't Care enough to do the right thing.


And all these loser liberals site right wing smear misinformation as their reason to Hate Hillary!

Is what she did worse than having a Fascist dictator as President?
No. not even close
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:13pm PT
History will treat Obama well unlike his predecessor. He labored against a hostile congress fueled by more than a tint of racisim and still accomplished a lot.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
I would not put much credibility in those new couple of swing state polls.

Just last week Hillary had solid leads in almost all of the swing states.

Polling itself is both science and art

it cannot filter for Turnout especially with four more months to go.

Polls sample very few people, only a couple thousand in what is considered a "good" poll.

And then those numbers are filtered for:

1) are they Likely Voters, as in did they vote in the 2012 election or not?

2) are they actually currently Registered Voters in their State?

3) do they identify with a particular Political Party or not?

4) Are they men or women, women strongly vote more reliably than men

5) Are they White, Black, Latino, etc - each group has different loyalties

6) age - young very poor record of turning out to vote, older very good turnout

the difficulty for pollsters is guessing how to filter a sample for those variables
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:25pm PT
still the worst president ever.

Only for another couple months....

Your wrong Essy, Trump will not get elected.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:31pm PT
the difficulty for pollsters is guessing how to filter a sample for those variables

In addition, a lot can happen between now and then. The "tracking polls," that measure the trend but don't purport to measure the level with the same accuracy, may actually be more valuable.

I see this election, now, as particularly difficult because there are so many wild cards in the mix. It reminds me of my first experience as an economic forecaster in 1973 when I got out of college. The textbooks on econometric models had nothing about wage and price controls, Arab oil embargoes, or 12% prime rates (although the late 1970's made those seem mild).

I would love to know how predicable the political scientists find this presidential election. If nothing else, I suspect the polls' stated confidence intervals understate the uncertainty.

John
John M

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:43pm PT


If Trump wins I will never forgive all the whiny liberals that wouldn't vote for Hillary because they are too pure of heart or whatever

and they will likely be pissed at you for not paying attention when they said that they had serious problems with Hillary. But no.. people like you went.. la la la.. shut up and get in line.. Hillary will definitely win.la la la.. I can't hear you.. la la la Hillary will win.

And NOW you are worried !!!!!

talk about head in the sand. I tried to warn people on this thread that there was a fairly large group of liberals who wouldn't vote for Hillary, but you all went.. naw.. Hillary will stomp Trump..and then you blasted me, though mostly what I was trying to do was warn you.

this is no different then the republican party not listening to a large percentage of its party.

Crankaloons dominate both the republican party and the democrat party. They just don't listen. And then when people don't follow their plan, they blame them and they never take a look at their part in things. Good luck with that. Hopefully you won't need it. But I still hear of people who won't vote for Hillary. Funny thing is though, I hear of republicans who will. So maybe the hated republicans will save you. Wouldn't that be ironic..


so go ahead.. don't forgive them... and what is happening to the republican party will happen to the dems.. way too funny. Ya'll were so sure of yourselves six months ago.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:54pm PT
The problem is that Bernie isn't really electable in a general election, and no other prominent and electable center left politician stepped up to challenge Hillary.
John M

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
and no other prominent and electable center left politician stepped up to challenge Hillary.

and why would they when they run into the kind of partisanship that exists now? I was attacked for saying that I "might" not vote for Hillary. By my own party. Who would want to belong to that party? Or try to represent it.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
Bernie got a taste of unexpected fame and it went to his head. Imagine, thousands of college students thinking an aging politico from Vermont was god. Kind of reminds me of Nader. Fame corrupts and absolute fame corrupts absolutely.
I'm in line with Locker about Hillary.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:05pm PT
Stop the Bernie talk

He has never ever been fully vetted in the press

Go read his Wikipedia page about his youthful quasi Communist joining

Stamp out thinking Bernie could win the General
John M

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
Fame corrupts and absolute fame corrupts absolutely.

so then you are saying that Hillary is corrupt. And you are fine voting for a corrupt person.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:10pm PT
so then you are saying that Hillary is corrupt. And you are fine voting for a corrupt person.

John, I think we're stuck voting for imperfect people. I know if I must choose between Trump and Clinton, I'd rather have a smart [insert your pejorative of choice (e.g. "crook," "jerk," "corrupted person," etc.)] than a dumb one, so I'd vote for her. Since California almost certainly will never go for Trump, I may be able to salve my conscience by voting for a climber (i.e. Johnson/Weld), but only if Trump has no chance in this state. The potential damage he would do as POTUS simply gives me no other choice.

John
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:12pm PT
Your wrong Essy, Trump will not get elected.

Clearly, the comment went over your head. I could care less if Trump keeled over tomorrow.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:14pm PT
The problem with Bernie is he's not a democrat and doesn't represent the democratic party. That's why he lost.

I agree with your point but that does not really address what I was getting at.

The problem, which i did not state clearly, is that both Bernie and hillary are flawed candidates. I think Hillary is more electable than Bernie for reasons Norton alludes to above but it is far from certain. It would have been nice if a viable third alternative (I.e., not Martin O'Malley) emerged in the primaries but that didn't happen. Just because Hillary has her electability problems doesn't mean that Bernie was a better choice.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
Ass kissing is one of humankind's most ingrained behavioral responses....it flows unimpeded thru all nations, cultures, and ethnic and socioeconomic groups.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:33pm PT
and they will likely be pissed at you for not paying attention when they said that they had serious problems with Hillary. But no.. people like you went.. la la la.. shut up and get in line.. Hillary will definitely win.la la la.. I can't hear you.. la la la Hillary will win.

WRONG
I was paying attention, and
I did not say anything of the sort

I said you have to vote for the Primary winner
who ever they may be

I didn't pick Hillary, I'm not responsible for her winning all those votes
I knew she had problems
But there wasn't any others to pick from, no saviors from Heaven came this time to save our Party

so give up your Blame game on us,
This is reality, Hillary won

Now you have to vote for her, is it really that hard?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:38pm PT
Lastly, no one gives a sh#t what collage aged kids think, not even the collage kids.

very true, because their turn out when called to vote is absolutely terrible

between hitting on the bong pipe and taking another Underwater Basket Weaving class

there just is not enough time in the day to actually vote....
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:49pm PT
John M, Bernie supports Hillary for president, haven't you heard? And it's not white men like me who gave her the nomination by almost 4 million votes, it was minority voters, especially women. Do yourself a favor...seek out a group of them sometime and ask them why they didn't vote for Bernie. You might learn something interesting.

Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:58pm PT
Cosmic!

and here I figured you were all done posting on the political threads from what you said about them?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:02pm PT
The Obstructionist do-nothing Congress should be impeached

Now they are going after Lynch??
Will they ever stop being a-holes?

Why don't they do something good for once?
They are in power, they could do so many great things, but instead they waste time and money on political witch hunts, the definition of pure evil.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:08pm PT
After nearly 25 years of fruitless Clinton persecutions, we should not expect anything different.

Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:10pm PT
More Proof That Obama Is Secretly a Muslim Terrorist Sympathizer


A news agency linked to so-called Islamic State has confirmed the death of key leader Omar Shishani, who the US said it killed in March.

The Amaq news agency said Shishani was killed in combat in the town of Shirqat, south of Mosul in Iraq.

The Pentagon said in March he had died from injuries sustained in a US air strike in north-eastern Syria.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:29pm PT
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
So the 'Ready for Hillary' thread was locked. What a shame.

Bill Maher on Hardball for the whole hour today.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:37pm PT

"If you want to live like a Republican vote Democrat."

...

Hey are you a liberal perchance and against GMO's? If so, help with quality control and get informed.

The war against genetically modified organisms is full of fearmongering, errors, and fraud. Labeling them will not make you safer.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html?wpsrc=sh_all_tab_tw_top

Shocking history of fraud by Greenpeace in fanatical campaign against GMOs - worse than climate change deniers.


....


"If anybody's always telling liberals they have spinach on their teeth it's me." -Bill Maher
pb

Sport climber
Sonora Ca
Jul 13, 2016 - 05:10pm PT
4 horsemen of the politopocalypse: god, guns, gri-gris, & the GOP
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 13, 2016 - 05:13pm PT
Gonna be fun next week...

Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
*Remarks by Sarah Palin and Willie Robertson of DUCK DYNASTY

how cool is the Republican Convention going to be oh my!!!
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 13, 2016 - 05:34pm PT
Stop the Bernie talk

He has never ever been fully vetted in the press

Oh my!

Go read his Wikipedia page about his youthful quasi Communist joining

That's why I wanted to vote for him, unfortunately I'm not registered as a Democrat.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 13, 2016 - 05:57pm PT
"Sarcasm: learn it, know it, live it."


Dude, that only applies when the statement was applied sarcastically.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:08pm PT
Gary,lol.

Look,now we are worried.

Trump will not win.

When you talk of Bernie,spell college correct ,is that to much to ask.

23 states have been waiting all their life to vote for a populist like Bernie .

I look at it like if Hillary did not run ,Bernie would have won by a huge landslide.

You moderates are going to step aside soon ,the millennials are going to run this country and that will be sooner than you think.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
You do not have to a registered Dem, or Repub to vote

You can write in anybody

Edit: over 3 million more voted for Clinton than Sanders

Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
Had me fooled until Rob Ford. Definitely the dream program!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:40pm PT
Norton ,you do not know vote totals from caucus states.

I will give you 3 million in primary states,but that is disingenuous.


Buffalo and Rochester are 3 million people,for context.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:43pm PT
Had to bust you.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
oops

thanks for catching that error, WIlber

Clinton beat Sanders by over 3.5 million votes in the Primaries

but Bernie did give a really good endorsement of her the other day, I thought it was great
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:55pm PT
Are you sure the mods here approve of that, there,Jim?.......lol.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:58pm PT

Check it out.

"White Boy Privilege"

[Click to View YouTube Video]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Q1jZ-LOT0
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:14pm PT
Never have so few been so on and on about so little to so little avail, ever.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:17pm PT
Never have so few been so on and on about so little with so little avail, ever.

so true, Wade

and doubtful the wheel is being reinvented on any of the other supertopo threads either
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:43pm PT
You’ve sometimes expressed thoughts about the culture in which we live. For example, in Lee v. Weisman you wrote that we indeed live in a vulgar age. What do you think accounts for our present civic vulgarity?

Gee, I don’t know. I occasionally watch movies or television shows in which the f-word is used constantly, not by the criminal class but by supposedly elegant, well-educated, well-to-do people. The society I move in doesn’t behave that way. Who imagines this? Maybe here in California. I don’t know, you guys really talk this way?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:44pm PT



Q. How would you characterize the role of the Supreme Court in American society, now that you’ve been a part of it for 24 years?

I think it’s a highly respected institution. It was when I came, and I don’t think I’ve destroyed it. I’ve been impressed that even when we come out with opinions that are highly unpopular or even highly-what should I say-emotion raising, the people accept them, as they should. The one that comes most to mind is the election case of Bush v. Gore. Nobody on the Court liked to wade into that controversy. But there was certainly no way that we could turn down the petition for certiorari. What are you going to say? The case isn’t important enough? And I think that the public ultimately realized that we had to take the case. … I was very, very proud of the way the Court’s reputation survived that, even though there are a lot of people who are probably still mad about it.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:50pm PT
As the National Law journal reports, in the last term, Justice Samuel Alito recused himself from a Coca-Cola case because he owned stock in the company. Several days before the case, Alito unrecused himself after selling off his stock.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
I was very, very proud of the way the Court’s reputation survived that, even though there are a lot of people who are probably still mad about it.

gee, the only people mad about are that are those who felt the Florida recounts should continue on until an absolute verified winner of the state's Elector Votes would determine the next US President instead of the Supreme Court making the arbitrary decision to stop the counting and award the Presidency to George Bush.

Yes counting chads is part of democracy being ugly but letting a divided court determine the Presidency instead was, imo, the worst decision is court history
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
2013 Majority of Supreme Court members millionaires

At least five and perhaps as many as eight of the nine members of the U.S. Supreme Court are millionaires according to recently released financial disclosures, and only two hold any consumer debt.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 08:19pm PT
Wouldn't it be sweet if they opened the Republicrat convention by playing that scanners clip up on the big screen?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 13, 2016 - 08:26pm PT
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are both running against the only person they could possibly beat.





Ltfol.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 13, 2016 - 08:30pm PT
This whole 'locked thread' idea is funny.

I mean, the primary reason it came about is to reduce the political OT threads on ST. I can understand why CMac & Co. would want to do that, but this strategy clearly doesn't work.

It's not like there is any good reason to archive such threads by 'locking' them. Why not just nuke the f*#king things altogether?

Maybe there's a reason that isn't obvious to this mere ST user.

Bottom line is these kinds of OT threads are gonna happen. Far better to have them consolidated in fewer (preferably, one) threads, rather than spread across the site (i.e. the 'Ready for...' threads).

But again, perhaps there're other considerations in this I'm not privy to.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 13, 2016 - 09:10pm PT
You do not have to a registered Dem, or Repub to vote

To vote in the California primary for Sanders I would have had to switch registration, didn't want to do that.

You can write in anybody

No need to, I'm voting for Gloria La Riva.

This will be about the 4th time I voted for a ticket with a woman on it. The first time was when Angela Davis ran for VP on the CPUSA ticket.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:47am PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 14, 2016 - 07:33am PT
PotatoHead isn't Ron or Rokjox

Fritz knows him

He just comes on once in while to spew his vial hate.
He's shut down a bunch of threads, or the OP deleted them after he brought the thread down to level of sh#t throwing

He lies without hesitation, at first he told us that he was Political Science Teacher at some College, and was using my posts in his class for hysteria.

Then he was an engineer, then we find out he works some night shift

He comes on late at night when no will challenge him, or has the energy to get in a debate with another Chief.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 10:54am PT
Yeah, Mike Pence will surely broaden the trump coalition.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 14, 2016 - 11:19am PT
Mike Pence has been a disaster for Indiana.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 11:48am PT
The Mexicans did a CT scan of my brain after almost drowning and it looked like your picture.

About ten years ago, when a severe bout of depression threatened my legal career, my physician and the State Bar suggested that I see a neurologist to make sure I wasn't affected by, e.g., a brain tumor. The neurologist had a CT scan done. After reviewing the results, my physician said "the CT scan showed some brain atrophy, but I wouldn't worry about that."

Try dealing with all the possible implications of that statement.

;>)

John
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 11:55am PT
Pew reported that Clinton is leading Trump among Catholic voters,

and Trump is partially to blame – much of the demographic that is supporting her are Latino Catholics, which Trump has insulted and offended throughout his campaign:

Currently, Clinton also holds a 17-point advantage among Catholic registered voters, driven largely by overwhelming support for Clinton among Latino Catholics. By contrast, at a similar point in the 2012 campaign, Catholics were closely divided between support for Obama (49%) and Romney (47%). Exit polls conducted on Election Day in 2012 found that Catholics ultimately split their votes between Obama (50%) and Romney (48%).

Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:07pm PT
... my physician said "the CT scan showed some brain atrophy,

Well, John, that supports my hypothesis about why people vote Republican! :-) Although I'm probably the poster child for brain atrophy. Or is it brain apathy? Who cares.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:12pm PT
Gary,

I've been laughing about that diagnosis for ten years, as I continue to prove its truth. I have a charger for my phone in my office, and a habit of forgetting the phone there. Consequently, I have an idiot sign reminding me of the phone on my monitor, on the light switch in my office, by the office door, and taped next to the grearshift in my car (saying, with due reagrd for the 1992 presidential campaign, "It's the phone, stupid!").

I still sometimes forget the phone in the office.

John
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
I was wrong.

One of my initial thoughts about pence was that unlike trump, at least he isn't bonkers,

Nope, he's bonkers, I was wrong. Earlier this year he signed a bill requiring funerals for fetuses.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/14/12190380/mike-pence-trump-vice-president-abortion-funerals-fetuses
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:28pm PT
oddly enough

just three months ago Pence said he would support Ted Cruz over The Donald

oh how fleeting is loyalty

but given Pence's dismal approval rating as governor in Indiana, his re election would be tough

better to have 15 minutes of fame as another Sarah
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:42pm PT
Crankster, Norton, Dirtbag, Apogee... who do you guys want to see fro Hillary's VP? Anyone have a fave yet?


Kaine, Warren, Booker or Sanders?



Newsom?!!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
Warren, but it probably ain't gonna happen.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
HFCS, I'd like to see Warren. But, I'm guessing it's Kaine.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:35pm PT
So far, it looks like we are all in agreement. Warren.

Booker's probably my second choice.

Newsom would be my first. And it would groom him for the Presidency in eight years. Very surprised few are pushing him.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:38pm PT
not Warren as I feel an all female ticket would suppress the male vote even more than Hillary alone will

otherwise for her VP, someone who can destroy both Donald and his VP pick in the press every day and during the VP debate

we got this, please join me in calming liberal angst but without suppressing the vote
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:38pm PT
Huh. Interesting choice, I remember you mentioning Newsom earlier. He needs to find another job. Lt. Governor is 1000x duller than veep.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:46pm PT
dirtbag, he's already got a team and he's shooting to be the next CA gov. However, he's brilliant and brilliantly liberal so I wish (1) his aim was higher and (2) Dems would encourage him / it. But for some reason it hasn't happened.

Looking ahead eight years, I'd prefer Booker to Kaine.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:47pm PT
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/02/05/attention-gop-colin-powell-says-he-agrees-with-hillary-clinton-on-classified-emails/
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:54pm PT
The base considers Powell to be a RINO so they don't care.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:12pm PT
The repug base may think that of Powell, but that is not true of Americans in general, who really like the guy.

In fact, in this survey of many public political figures, he has the highest ranking of any: Favorable 77%, Unfav 20%


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/favorables/major_political_figures
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
Hillary should pick a moderate repug, just to mess with Chump's head
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:24pm PT
Sandra Day O'Connor came under fire in 2000 after she was overheard saying "this is terrible" at an election night party when it appeared that Democrat Al Gore had won. The moderately conservative justice's husband consequently told guests that she wanted to retire but wasn't willing to do so if it meant her successor would be appointed by a Democratic president. O'Connor then famously became the fifth Supreme Court vote to install George W. Bush as president.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:27pm PT
So one down and one to go. Trump Pence

Mostly, I liked Powell and still do. He was a team player put in an awful situation. I would have voted for him for pres if he ran...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
I'd have voted for him, too.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:30pm PT
It's a bit different to privately state "this is terrible" vs. publicly and repeatedly criticizing a presidential nominee.

I wish Ginsburg had zipped it. If there is a president trump or ( G-d help us) a Gore v Bush type situation those words will haunt her.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:32pm PT
Yes, she should not have said anything. But she is only human like the rest of us and made a mistake then did her best to correct it. Genie's already out of the bottle tho...
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:35pm PT
Yep^^^*
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
The boys get away with sh#t all the time, Washington is a big old white boys club, they fecking hate women like HRC, Warren and Ginsberg.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:43pm PT
Trump predictably overplayed it too by saying "her mind is shot."
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:48pm PT

The base considers Powell to be a RINO so they don't care.

this has the ring of truth to it.

The repug base may think that of Powell, but that is not true of Americans in general, who really like the guy.

Did any of you read what Powell said?

He was referring to the retroactively classified e-mails. His point wasn't about the "110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received".
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
"He was referring to the retroactively classified e-mails. His point wasn't about the "110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received".


Yes I did read it and prove it that they were marked in a header as classified.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:58pm PT
Eddy T..."Comey told the committee Clinton may not have had sufficiently sophisticated understanding to know the emails that passed through her personal server were classified. Only three of the 30,000 FBI-reviewed emails were explicitly** marked as classified and those were marked with a “C” in the body of the email, not in the header, Comey said.

Comey said his FBI team had conducted its investigation of Clinton “in an apolitical and professional way” and he had no reason to believe she had lied to the FBI. Clinton had said publicly she never sent or received any classified information.**


Move on, try to find something else to hit her with.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:01pm PT
The latest CBS/NYT poll has Clinton and Trump tied going into conventions.

Heading into the two parties' conventions, the race for President is a dead heat, a change from last month when Hillary Clinton led by six points. Forty percent of registered voters now say they will back Clinton (a dip of three points), while 40 percent will vote for Trump (a bump up of three points). A month ago, Clinton led Trump 43 to 37 percent.

How could this happen?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:05pm PT
Yes I did read it and prove it that they were marked in a header as classified.

actually there is supposed to be a prominent "C" in the topic heading to designate that an email was Classified

from my reading of the FBI's report none of the emails had that marking but instead the marking was within the body or context of the chain of individual emails

anyone who honestly has thought this through and still thinks it is a big deal simply is opposed to the idea of a female or a Democratic candidate for President in the first place

and based on the many many posts on all the supertopo threads we all know who the whining little bitches about this are
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
Move on, try to find something else to hit her with.

You brought it up. I pointed out how it was misleading.

Now, you're splitting hairs... and implying I'm the one dredging up old news. Too funny.

Edit: Norton's jumped on board, too. Yeehaw!
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:15pm PT
Incompetence is a poor excuse. The rules for conduct are quite clear. Apparently Ginsberg and Clinton feel they are above them
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:16pm PT
"Now, you're splitting hairs... and implying I'm the one dredging up old news. Too funny."


No I'm implying that you are nothing more than a cheap troll/hack.

Edward..$500 she wins. Talk is so cheap.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:20pm PT
An Open Letter From Technology Sector Leaders On Donald Trump’s Candidacy For President

Trump would be a disaster for innovation.


how could this happen, EDWARD? Please comment on this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/an-open-letter-technology-leaders-donald-trumps-candidacy_us_5787996ae4b03fc3ee4f6be2
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
For sure a left wing feminist activists website is impartial
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:27pm PT
Incompetence is a poor excuse. The rules for conduct are quite clear. Apparently Ginsberg and Clinton feel they are above them


Who are you voting for?

Have you ever voted for someone infallible?
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
I am not voting. The rich already won the election. They want dumb Americans bickering
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:50pm PT


if you feel the letter from the tech firms about Trump was not reported accurately by HP....

then correct the errors?
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:54pm PT
The fact it's speculation based on political agenda such as "inclusiveness". You people just do as told
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:57pm PT
At one point, I thought Chump was the anti-Christ, but I soon realized he was too stupid. He is however, one of the most successful con-men ever. I give him a golf clap for that.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
We watched The Big Short a couple nights ago on Netflix. Good movie.

A couple things:

 Obama walked into a REALLY f*#ked situation (with the subprime mortgage collapse and ensuing recession). The fact that things have been as good as they have been (we have done better than the rest of the world despite the economic collapse beginning here, and we could have easily entered another great depression or worse) really means Obama (and even congress, at least at that time) aren't nearly as bad as many people make them out to be. W even deserves some credit. Many on the right hated the bailouts, but we would've gone down the tubes without them. What needed to happen was accountability after the bailouts, but that didn't happen.

 The regulations that should have been enacted, after that mess haven't. Yes both parties are to blame, but obviously Republicans are much less interested in regulating wall street than the Dems.

Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:11pm PT
*New Clinton Add - In His Own Words

[Click to View YouTube Video]
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
I'll just point out that Trump has not denied that what Ms. Ginsburg said is true, he just complained that she shouldn't have said it in public.

In fact what she said is all true and like everybody here on the ST she is entitled to have, and to express, her personal opinions.

Not like none of them have opinions.

Let's all pretend they don't, right?
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:36pm PT
Zbrown you could not be more wrong. Even the lowliest govt worker is not supposed to give political opinions or endorse candidates. More so when they are supposed to be an impartial judge. Either she is senile and forgot or she to feels the rules do not apply to her
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:50pm PT

I am not voting. The rich already won the election. They want dumb Americans bickering

LOL, ok.

And of course government employees can have political opinions and volunteer on campaigns. They just can't advocate for candidates while on the job.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
ok c wilmot

post with link showing that government workers are not allowed to express political opinions

in addition, post the Supreme Court "rule" that prohibits Justices from expressing their own political opinions, having no relation to current court case of course

prove your "rules" exist
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:00pm PT
Really Ailment??? http://www.care2.com/causes/5-absurd-scalia-quotes-you-just-wont-believe.html
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:05pm PT
The hatch act of 1939. Perhaps if you people had experience with the gov you would understand this
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:09pm PT
"What would Checkers the dog think about how low political election discourse has become in modern times ?"


Really...like it was better 200-300 years ago?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
Wilber - an easy google search would have told you how incorrect you are, try it.

So why didn't Scalia recuse himself after taking vacations with Bush? hmmmm
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:25pm PT
Because he was not making public statements of a political nature. Basic stuff here
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 06:16pm PT
ok c wilmot

here is the Hatch Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939

I do not read anywhere that government employees are prohibited from expressing their personal political opinions

I also do not read any language that talks about SC Justices not be allowed to do the same

in fact there is very long history of Justices doing exactly that


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-supreme-court-politics-history-21404\

I have a 27 Federal employee neighbor who laughed in disbelief when I asked him about your contention when I ran into him at the mailbox a while ago

FROM THE HATCH ACT ITSELF

These federal employees may:
register and vote as they choose
assist in voter registration drives
express opinions about candidates and issues
participate in campaigns where none of the candidates represent a political party
contribute money to political organizations or attend political fund raising functions
attend political rallies and meetings
join political clubs or parties
sign nominating petitions
campaign for or against referendum questions, constitutional amendments, municipal ordinances
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
I already did. Can't argue with an idiot
WBraun

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
That's right c wilmot.

The guy is insane .....
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 14, 2016 - 06:39pm PT
Heading into the two parties' conventions, the race for President is a dead heat, a change from last month when Hillary Clinton led by six points. Forty percent of registered voters now say they will back Clinton (a dip of three points), while 40 percent will vote for Trump (a bump up of three points). A month ago, Clinton led Trump 43 to 37 percent.

No comments on the latest CBS/NYT poll?

Trump to make gaffe after gaffe, while erasing a 6 point gap.

Doesn't anyone care?

Or perhaps, it's just is too unsettling to discuss???

crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 14, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
Any poll that shows Donald with a chance should frighten any thinking (and voting) person.

It's a reaction to the e-mail headlines 2 weeks ago, and before the Bernie endorsement. If the polls show a toss-up after the conventions, then I'll be worried.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Jul 14, 2016 - 08:40pm PT
Seriously, is telling other people to get a life because all they do all day is tell other people to get a life all you people have to do all day? Jesus, I mean, get a life!

Now that we got that straight, we can all carry on with our noble human mission of telling each other to get a life. Beats politics I guess.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:35pm PT
Even the lowliest govt worker is not supposed to give political opinions or endorse candidates.

In your opinion, but by no other authority.

If you look up thread you'll find several instances of Mr. Scalia's words and activities that fly in the face of this.

Any time you want to post up the authority for your statements, I'll be more than happy to read it.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 15, 2016 - 05:57am PT
"Or perhaps, it's just is too unsettling to discuss???"


Not to me but I'm a rational person. Obama was tied at this point in 2012, we still have four months to go.

Go to Nate Silver site, Hillary is up and my bet is wins by a large margin...5-7 percentage points.


dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 06:17am PT
Who is the bigger liar?

The Pinnochio tally so far:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/07/15/trump-versus-clinton-the-pinocchio-count-so-far/
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 07:28am PT
Supreme Court Justice can say anything she wants and there isn't a goddamned thing anyone can do about it short of impeachment, including politics.

I can't recall any other instances in my lifetime of a sitting Justice openly taking sides in a Presidential race. And Justice Ginsberg didn't just take sides. She essentially called Trump a piece of sh#t. Not off the mark. But not appropriate for a SC Justice, IMO.

While I don't think any laws exist barring SC Justices from taking sides, societal standards ask that they maintain an appearance of neutrality, which is essentially what Justice Ginsberg said yesterday.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 15, 2016 - 07:37am PT
Well, Trump is acting like a retard... but to be fair she should have been honest about the other murderous criminal Hillary.

But life ain't fair.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:01am PT
You never said that about Scalia. Your point is dismissed.

DMT

Come on, Dingus. You see the idiocy of that reasoning, right?
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:22am PT
Gingrich wants to test all Muslims in the US to see if they support sharia, then deport those who do:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/15/after-nice-newt-gingrich-wants-to-test-every-american-muslim-and-deport-those-who-believe-in-sharia/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_gingrich-745a-top%3Ahomepage%2Fstory



His political career is basically over, but what's sad is how many people in his party probably think this is a great idea.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:22am PT
Trump has picked Mike Pence to be his running Mate

Now they are a True Conservative Dream Team

all the True conservatives will be supportive of their candidates promoting true conservatism according to Rush, the leader of the Conservative movement.

Mike Pence, a right wing radio talking head, promoter of taking away rights of the LBGT folks, easy gun availability, low wages, high job insecurity, ... what else do we got?

let the vetting begin!
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:26am PT

I can't recall any other instances in my lifetime of a sitting Justice openly taking sides in a Presidential race. And Justice Ginsberg didn't just take sides. She essentially called Trump a piece of sh#t. Not off the mark. But not appropriate for a SC Justice, IMO.

She didn't take sides. She didn't say vote for Clinton.

She was talking about trump's character... Or lack thereof.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:26am PT
Pence reminds me of Admiral Stockdale.

Excellent choice, Donald.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:28am PT
She didn't take sides.

LOL
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:30am PT
Technically she didn't take sides. She just said Trump was a d#@&%ebag: she didn't say "I prefer Hillary.".

But Edward is right, she fully weighed in, and I really wish she had kept her yapper shut.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:37am PT
I'm looking for the New GOP Party platform, but can't find the full version

But I've already heard it does include this:
Mexico building us a wall
policing bathrooms for transgenders
making life for LBGTQ a living hell
keeping Muslims out
policing the internet for suspicious activity (liberals are on that list)
selling off our public lands

and the usual Republican agenda of:
lower wages
high job insecurity
higher wealth inequality
increasing the National debt
cutting food stamps and welfare programs
make college more expensive
make health care insurance costs higher
give more freebies to giant corporations
provide treasury busting tax cut welfare to Corporations and the rich
right wing extremist Sharia Law
make abortion illegal forever
stop women from getting birth control
shut down women's health clinics


I'm sure all the conservatives are ecstatic with this agenda, it's a dream come true, shove a shiv in the back of the others!

The anti-establishment candidate transforms into the a typical GOP establishment candidate, send money!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:37am PT
Pence reminds me of Admiral Stockdale.

Excellent choice, Donald.

Yes, but given that he's scared off nearly everyone who is respected, it was the best choice from a bad pool.

At least we will never have to worry about a president Gingrich or Christie: barf.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:41am PT
RGB had every right to voice her opinions of the huge threat that Trump is to this country

If you are at her level of understanding of the nature of our Government, she was smart to warn us of Trump

He's a Faker, a con, he should not even be in the running

Good Job, keep up the good work!

Hang in there until President Hillary, and a new Democratic Senate.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:45am PT
RGB had every right to voice her opinions of the huge threat that Trump is to this country

“Judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office”
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:49am PT
If there is a president trump, her role in any court case she hears related to that administration will be questioned.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:52am PT
She will call him out for what he is

a Faker

But whatever, she already said she regretted it

So it's all mute.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:53am PT
how is your cousin, Skippy, Edward?

or do you guys both take turns posting under the new EdwardT username?

you both got banned for being obnoxious, think anything has changed?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:54am PT
Here you go, Craig
It's like Sharia law, but different

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/republican-convention-issues.html?_r=1
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:13am PT
On the one hand, the idea that the judiciary is composed of perfect human beings who have no political affiliation (or at least can 100% set that aside at work) is BS. So in some ways getting that out in the open isn't all a bad thing.

On the other hand, I think it was a mistake on her part.

Actually, her biggest mistake was not retiring while Obama could still do her replacement. I can't see her making it 4 more years, let alone 8.

If the R's win, then the SC is likely to be to the right of Kennedy for 20+ years. Fortunately, the R's put up a candidate who might actually be able to lose to Hillary, but it is hardly a sure thing.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:26am PT
Trump sent Christie to pick up his dry cleaning

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/furious-christie-refuses-to-pick-up-trumps-dry-cleaning

NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)—Governor Chris Christie, of New Jersey, angrily refused to pick up Donald Trump’s dry cleaning during a tense encounter between the two men on Friday, campaign sources confirm.

The ugly scene unfolded at the billionaire’s offices in midtown Manhattan, shortly after Trump revealed that his Vice-Presidential pick would be Governor Mike Pence of Indiana.

According to Trump aides, Christie stomped into the presumptive Republican nominee’s office and hurled a dry-cleaning ticket onto his desk, telling Trump, “You can pick up your own damn dry cleaning.”

The New Jersey governor then stormed out, and has not been seen by Trump or his staffers since.

Trump’s press secretary, Hope Hicks, warned the media against making too much of the apparent rift between the billionaire and Christie. “In the long hours of a campaign, emotions can sometimes get a little raw,” she said. “We are confident that Governor Christie will pick up Mr. Trump’s dry cleaning going forward.”

(this is satire)
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:33am PT
EdwardT/Skip thinks there is actually judicial neutrality in the Supreme Court, what a joke. Where were you in 2000?

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-12/it-was-fine-for-justice-ginsburg-to-speak-her-mind



From the link above: "John Marshall, the greatest Chief Justice, served as John Adams’s secretary of state at the same time that he was chief justice. The Constitution says you can’t be in Congress and also work for the executive branch. But it doesn’t demand a similar separation for justices.

Sure, Marshall’s dual role, which ended after Thomas Jefferson defeated Adams and became president in 1801, would be unthinkable today. But it’s good proof that the Founders’ generation, at least, wasn’t obsessed with the idea that justices have to be outside the reach of politics."
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:38am PT
I'd say you are just about right, August.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:38am PT
Donini posted
Cataracts are the third leading cause of blindness, the top two are politics and religion.

Haha.
Maybe some products in these California clinics could help me prevent glaucoma,
but my struggle to recover from the blindness induced by politics remains in doubt ;-)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:50am PT
Pence really is a good choice: his extremist views will rally young voters of the Left to get their arse to the polls and vote for Hillary.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2016 - 11:33am PT
Dingus posted
I just searched the U.S. Constitution and all its amendments and am shocked the above quoted phrase is no where to be found.

Class dismissed.

Our Constitution doesn't actually contain the complete recipe for democracy and adopting it didn't make our republic successful. Faith in the justice system is a foundation for democracy and RBG's comments are but one of many actions by justices recently that undermine public confidence in the Supreme Court. She didn't break any rules, but that doesn't mean it was in the best interest of our republic.

Bob posted
Sure, Marshall’s dual role, which ended after Thomas Jefferson defeated Adams and became president in 1801, would be unthinkable today. But it’s good proof that the Founders’ generation, at least, wasn’t obsessed with the idea that justices have to be outside the reach of politics."

There were a lot of things broken about our government back then. Thomas Jefferson bought a newspaper specifically so that he could talk sh#t about George Washington's policies while Jefferson was Washington's Secretary of State. We idolize the Founding Fathers but there have in fact been a number of improvements to our system over the last 200 years.

Escopeta posted

Rebutted how? Its not my fault that your stance on the issue has holes.

If there is absolutely no value in the 2nd Amendment from the perspective of protection against tyranny, then your answer should be an easy one.

For the record, the hypothetical question asked was - "If the US suddenly had a dictator that for whatever reason the US armed forces were completely supportive of and used the entire strength of the our military might to support this dictator......how long would the dictator live?



Really, a long time as in a week? Because a dictator in this country wouldn't last three days from the coup. And that's just due to travel time to get within a mile or so from said dictator.

From the moment you started posting on this forum you've insisted on asking hypothetical questions based on flawed premises designed specifically to make the answer you already have correct. When people point out the flaws you declare yourself the victor because they "couldn't answer" and then, just like here, you declare the answer that you designed the question for to be the obvious truth. In a world where the military "for whatever reason" supported Trump's dictatorship the length of time he would live would be exactly as long as any dictator in any other country ever. It might be days, it might be decades. People already drive to the White House to try to kill the President and he doesn't have tanks parked on the lawn.

Escopeta posted
And if you think that solidarity is what solved Polands problems then great, but in the case of a dictator or an invading force, I think I'd rather have a gun and thankyouverymuch for not making that choice for me.

I'm not trying to force a gun into your hand so don't force me to rely solely on solidarity as a means for defense.

It's really that simple. All I'm asking for is that a choice NOT be made for me.

Again, your arguments have to be made against "taking away all our guns" instead of what most people are actually discussing.

But you, and others, won't admit it because it doesn't jive with your silly anti-gun, pro racism agenda.

That made me laugh.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 11:44am PT
Donald Trump: Sarah Palin won't speak at RNC because Alaska is too far away

By Tom Kludt, CNN
Updated 9:56 PM ET, Thu July 14, 2016


In an interview with the Washington Examiner on Thursday, Trump said that Palin was asked to speak, but that the distance ultimately precluded her from making the trip.

"It's a little bit difficult because of where she is," Trump said, referring to Palin's home state of Alaska. "We love Sarah. Little bit difficult because of, you know, it's a long ways away."


It is a well know fact that you can't get to Cleveland from Alaska, right?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2016 - 11:45am PT
"She had to wash her hair that night"
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 11:53am PT
"She has a clandestine meeting with Putin that night. (They are nextdoor neighbors.)"
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 11:58am PT
During the address, Obama condemned the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission ruling, stating, "Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests – including foreign corporations – to spend without limit in our elections." Justice Samuel Alito was seen frowning and mouthing the words "not true" when Obama criticized the Supreme Court.

Chief Justice John Roberts later commented on the subject at the University of Alabama, saying, "The image of having the members of one branch of government standing up, literally surrounding the Supreme Court, cheering and hollering while the court – according the requirements of protocol – has to sit there expressionless, I think is very troubling."



Roberts weighs in again.


The image of having thousands of yahoos led by a faker standing up, literally surrounding the Supreme Court, cheering and hollering while a court member such as Ms. Ginsburg, according the requirements of protocol, has to sit there expressionless, I think is very troubling and quite possibly treasonous.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
"One of her daughters is supposed to give birth (again) that night."
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 12:58pm PT
For now though, this thread is lockered.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 01:29pm PT
I'm not sure the trump campaign wants voters to think of toilet paper.

Anyway, it seems like this is symbolic of trump sticking his penis into Pence. Hey, it's good to be the king, I guess.


apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 01:43pm PT
"Todd gets out of rehab that night."
Norton

Social climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 02:05pm PT
seems doubtful Dingjus as most everyone here is not in a political family?
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 02:17pm PT
I hope all you shits that attack the families of politicians you don't like get to experience the same, in your own time.

Politics is a known sewer. Many choose not to run for office out of respect for their families.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
Yawn, DMT.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 03:23pm PT
Are all the Republican leaders the knee jerk reactionaries buffoons?

with every Muslim attack, they automatically go into melt down mode and start talking like Hitler.

Newt Gingrich Says We Should ‘Test Every Person’ Of Muslim Descent

Hours after the French attack, he said the U.S. should deport Sharia followers.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, said Thursday that Muslim-Americans should be “tested” and deported if they “believe in Sharia” law

“I mean, if you’re not prepared to monitor the mosque, this whole thing is a joke,” Gingrich said. “We’re like sheep wondering why the wolves keep killing us. These people are opposed to our way of life. They are opposed to our value system. They are opposed to our various religions. They’re opposed to the whole concept of freedom, and they’re very honest about it.”
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 15, 2016 - 04:45pm PT
Sounds like Trump wanted to dump Pence last night. Maybe Newt's call to "test" all American Muslim's was the key. Something even dumber than most of his own ideas.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
He sells himself (and suckers are buying it) as a supremely competent guy, yet his veep roll out is just the latest episode in an endless series of campaign f*#k ups.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 15, 2016 - 05:11pm PT
TP

Perfect. Finally something useful.

Another Fox Analyst goes down for lying

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-fox-news-commentator-sentenced-to-prison-for-faking-cia-ties/ar-BBungxx?li=BBnb7Kz
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
Notice how Trump has quieted down a bit? Why.

He cannot multitask, he can barely handle a single-track. He is overwhelmed by current events.

He longs for the days when life was just simple unreality show and he could just fire people and make everything "all better"





wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 15, 2016 - 07:12pm PT
"Coaching"

lol


You forgot "ball cupping".

Oh,yeah,Pence.......lol.

They are not winning anything.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 15, 2016 - 07:32pm PT
EdwardT: http://www.ctpost.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Hillary-Clinton-goes-on-The-View-and-sounds-off-7230276.php




LOL
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
Does it get any funnier, or should I say sadder. The Palins...http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/07/15/they-lied-sarah-palin-to-miss-convention-because-her-son-was-just-thrown-in-jail-for-this-details/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
I am ashamed.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:53pm PT
I am still ashamed
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:33am PT
Mike Pence: Sarah Palin Without The Charisma

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/mike-pence-sarah-palin_b_11003128.html


One source who used to work as a senior staff member in the House of Representatives told me, “Pence, smart? I used to eat salads at the Rayburn cafeteria that had more brains than Mike Pence.”

That certainly fits Mike Pence.

Mike Pence who, in 2001, still was seriously trying to claim that cigarette smoking wouldn’t kill you, writing “Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer.”

Mike Pence who, just last year, looked like a deer in headlights on television, when asked to explain a law he just signed. He was completely unable to tell George Stephanopoulos if the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (Reminder: a bill he just signed) would allow bakers and florists to refuse service to same-sex couples being married. The performance was widely mocked, and thought to be the end of his Presidential ambitions.

Mike Pence who, when asked if he believes in evolution, had to repeat the question, before giving a nonsensical response.

Mike Pence who either didn’t read, or didn’t understand, that he signed a law that requires women to bury or cremate their periods, if they contain a fertilized egg, leading to the Periods for Pence movement.

It isn’t so much that Mike Pence is a lightweight in the brains department.

It’s that Mike Pence is a lightweight in the brains department, and also ridiculously incompetent.


Mike Pence also once decided to start spending resources to develop a state-controlled news service, which would feed the media with prewritten stories, and be the one to break “news” (read: “propaganda”) about his administration. When confronted with the fact that it was, well, kind of Soviet, Pence decided to stop developing the news service.

How bad is his reputation in the state? Republicans want Pence out of Indiana. Reported CNN, “[Trump picking Pence] also makes for a good fit for Indiana Republicans, who are ready for Pence to go after a tumultuous first term in Indiana that has opened up a chance for Democrats to claim the governor’s office.”

Oh, the title of that piece? “Indiana GOP to Trump: Take Mike Pence, Please!”
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:40am PT
Hands appear to be about the same size as T. One nail polished? Code sign for evangelical catholic?





One of the more publicly shared accounts of Pence’s transition from a Catholic youth minister who wanted to be a priest to an evangelical megachurch member came in 1994. That’s when he told the Indianapolis Business Journal about an intense period of religious searching that he underwent in college. “I made a commitment to Christ,” Pence said, speaking of the late 1970s. “I’m a born-again, evangelical Catholic.”


"Trump's abrasive, Know Nothing-like nativist rhetoric has blocked out sober discourse about how to tackle America's big challenges."
-not Ms. Ginsburg
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 16, 2016 - 10:50am PT
Trump, running as the anti-establishment candidate, decided he needed an establishment veep for street cred. Makes total sense now, Trump is a faker.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 10:56am PT
Anybody Trump picked, you jackels would shred. And that's fine.

So Pence's biggest crimes are that he served in Senate (establishment) and he's a staunch Christian (bigot, racist, or something?).

Seems fine by my standards. As long as he's #2. With Trump as the exec, Pence will do just fine as a VP.

Woot!
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 16, 2016 - 11:27am PT
Yeah, Pence served in the House, barely. Functioned more as an obstructionist.

An examination of Pence's legislative record during 12 years in the House reveals scant tangible achievements, instead pointing to a tenure marked by a desire to move the Republican Party and national debate in a conservative direction.
Of 90 standalone bills introduced by Pence during his tenure in the House, the 21 that passed were all "simple resolutions" about matters like placing a member on a committee or rebuking the United Nations, according to the legislative tracker GovTrack. Apart from those, just one Pence bill cleared committee, and then died—a 2005 bill to scrap limits on aggregate campaign contributions by a person in an election cycle. Pence voted against numerous major Bush-era initiatives such as No Child Left Behind in 2001, the Medicare prescription drug benefit in 2003 (which passed by one vote) and the bank bailout of 2008.
"It's not as if he was a legislator who did more than take strong positions against these things," said Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. "This was a guy who saw his role much more as being a super-magnet trying to pull his party and policy away from the center and toward the right."
Fittingly, the largest contributor to his campaigns and political committees from 1989 to 2014 was Club For Growth, a conservative group that often battles bipartisan deals, according to the nonpartisan Center For Responsive Politics. Pence may build bridges between Trump and conservative donors wary of his ideological bona fides.
Pence also gives some Republicans skeptical of Trump a dash of hope that he'd be able to steer the presumptive nominee in a more conservative direction. "I hope that he can move Mr. Trump on a number of these issues," said Flake.
But that doesn't mean he'd be the ideal figure to help Trump cut deals.
"The idea that Pence is going to be an effective liaison with Congress—he knows Congress, but he's not going to be the Republican equivalent of Joe Biden," said Ornstein. "He's not a dealmaker. That's not his modus operandi."
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 06:46pm PT
The rollout of Pence today was one of most bizarre episodes in political history. I really think Trump was on LSD. He came out to introduce Pence, then proceeded to ramble on incoherently about himself for 30 minutes. He finally got around to mentioning the unfortunate fellow and then left. Weird.

Yeah, I watched it live. Was pretty good. He didn't ramble on about himself, that's disengenuous.

He did rail about what he was planning for the country. Things he would do to fix broken systems of governance. And it was pretty good.

He pre-ambled it into how awesome Mike was in Indiana and how, as a team, they would....wait for it...#MAGA

It was o.k.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 16, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
LOf*#kingL
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:10pm PT
Just sayin', butt Trump apparently can sheeit and tweet at the same time. That's where he produces some of his 'best' work, according to Christie who was in changing the TP.



.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
That dude actually looks like Christie. More shocking? I can actually Christie in that exact pose.

You gotta admit, Trump is starting to look very good. I know it drives some people crazy because he's not a radical Dem.
But, he has moderated his tone somewhat, more refined now. The more he speaks like he has been, the better.

As an ever skeptical conservative, I wait for action based on promises. I just want people to do what they were elected for.

I know it's a lot to ask, but this is the over-arching problem isn't it? We elect people that change after their elected. Trump can not do that, and I think this is part of his brilliance.

Regarding 'the Wall', he HAS TO DO IT if he's elected? He wants it too, but he has framed his candidacy on that wall being built. If anybody stands in that way they will be counter to 'the will of the people' and the president elect.

F*#king brilliant.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
Actually, he's looking and sounding more crazy by the day, a feat in itself. Just the bizarre, impulsive, narcissistic routine he did today should disqualify him from being president.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 16, 2016 - 08:04pm PT
bluring, brilliant assessment
Never leave ST, you are an invaluable resource of what the other side thinks

[Click to View YouTube Video]

This may be one of the best Afro Beat pieces ever!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 16, 2016 - 08:33pm PT
But, he has moderated his tone somewhat, more refined now. The more he speaks like he has been, the better.


Bullsh#t. He's still a dick and a racist. You can only polish a turd so much.



dirtbag

climber
Jul 16, 2016 - 09:09pm PT
Please tell us again how the moon landing was faked.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 09:35pm PT
Dirtbag, you have seen disparaging pics of me. I have pics of here of people with aluminum male-appendages in my mouth.

Is that who you think I am>?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 16, 2016 - 09:36pm PT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 09:58pm PT
Did you see that photo of Trump kissing that girl back in 1992?


Ohh!!!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 10:18pm PT
Rod And Jeff had it down!!!

Took Rod a while, but he jumped on board...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC_j_dzkaVE[Click to View YouTube Video]

People get ready.. there's a train a coming.

Don't need no baggage, all you have to do is get on board.

God bless!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 10:39pm PT
"you don't need a ticket, ya just thank the Lord"
Look at Rod Stewart smile when he says that. Never saw that side of him, or even Jeff Beck.
Never knew they were that spiritual. I think it came later in life to them, just like most of us.
I had it for a along time and abandoned it. I walked away.
Amazing when it comes back. It was always there, just kicked aside for other things. But it's always there.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 10:56pm PT
The old Rod...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

always rockin...

(look how young Ronnie Wood is on guitar!)
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 16, 2016 - 11:08pm PT
not sure which is dumber...

republicans who plan to vote for the unabashed self-absorption, the willful ignorance and the intrinsic chaos that are three of the defining characteristics of monsieur trump [and that make a quote like that purported to have come from 1998 believable]...

or

dems who continue to distribute a repeatedly debunked quote about dumb republicans...



i suppose, at least it's a sort of poetic reflection of the state of things as a whole...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 11:19pm PT
not sure which is dumber...

i suppose, at least it's a sort of poetic reflection of the state of things as a whole...

i summed it for you to look at yourself. You answered your own question.


dirtbag

climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 06:33am PT
Dirtbag, you have seen disparaging pics of me. I have pics of here of people with aluminum male-appendages in my mouth.

Is that who you think I am>?

No.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 17, 2016 - 06:48am PT
Thank God, db.

Kev and Mucci will pay a price for those pics too. Someday I'll have my retribution.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 17, 2016 - 07:44am PT
Mr. Judgemental thinks he's smarter than everyone for knowing something

I like the photo, no one cares if it's true or not
I was aware that it was said to be debunked before I posted it, just in case you thought I was just plain dumb, but posted anyway, for bluring

It sure seems true, it's virtually true

Now I will use on every page, just to maintain a certain level of truthiness
Hardly Visible

Social climber
Llatikcuf WA
Jul 17, 2016 - 10:42am PT
Food for thought on the Hillary hating...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6/11/1537582/-The-most-thorough-profound-and-moving-defense-of-Hillary-Clinton-I-have-ever-seen

Over and out
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 17, 2016 - 10:58am PT
It is standard RePubican practice to demonize any person you do not agree with.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 11:06am PT
If lying is a deal breaker, trump is not your candidate.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 11:09am PT

Jon Beck posted
It is standard RePubican practice to demonize any person you do not agree with.

Here, let me expand the truth of your statement.
It is standard partisan practice to demonize any person you do not agree with.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 17, 2016 - 12:55pm PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 17, 2016 - 05:55pm PT
"Yeah, you tell a lie enough times,then some people will begin to believe it's true."

Where would the GOP, Fox News, and Christianity be without this simple reality?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
let the other side be the liars, Craig

http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
The "Ready .. Donald" thread lasted less than a year.

Last post?

Klimmer, you are impervious to facts.

Where is old Klimner now?


Orale - Latinas por Trumpo (Ileana García - no relation to Jerry).

"I'd like to remind everyone that he [Trump] won 66 out of 67 counties in Florida, which is primarily Hispanic so it all depends on what you call Hispanic. You know a lot of Hispanics consider ourselves Americans first, so I think that there's a lot of confusion in regards to that," she said.

Rubio is f%ccking pissssed!



zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 07:22pm PT
Point of order. I am not anti-cop, just anti bad cop.


Officers Buy Groceries, Car Seat For Family (Photos)


http://www.opposingviews.com/i/social/routine-traffic-stop-should-have-been-just-woman-when-police-showed-her-door-afterwords
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
and bad people can become good...

Good point which I sometimes overlook.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 17, 2016 - 08:08pm PT
and bad people can become good...

Good point which I sometimes overlook.

There are truly evil people though, and truly good ones as well. I think the vast majority lie in the neutral middle with tendencies towards either polarity depending on circumstance and personality.

The few truly evil ones I've met could not "become" good...

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 17, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
Trump sounds like a d#@&%e but i don't really know the guy...Interesting how so many conservatives hate Hillary based on what faux news says...?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:50am PT
Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All

“The Art of the Deal” made America see Trump as a charmer with an unfailing knack for business. Tony Schwartz helped create that myth—and regrets it.


By Jane Mayer
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

Take time to read the whole article
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:17am PT
Nice find Craig

If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

I wonder if Donnie got Schwartz to sign a non-disclosure agreement so that he can sue him to silence him. Trump is a litigious SOB
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:21am PT
Anyone else sick of the anti_Trump ads? Whenever I'm watching network TV, every break has anti-Trump ads. It's nauseating. I know Trump's a d#@&%ebag. Real scum of the earth. No way I'd vote for him. I'm planning on voting for Hillary, but the volume of these ads are turning me away from her.

Go Gary!

https://www.johnsonweld.com/

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:23am PT
GIANT METEOR 2016!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:26am PT
They don't show the ads in California

We don't need them, we will vote for the Democrat no matter what ads they run, so they don't even bother wasting their money here
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 08:28am PT
bluering posted
Seems fine by my standards. As long as he's #2. With Trump as the exec, Pence will do just fine as a VP.

The VP has essentially no power. The whole purpose is to have a backup in case the Pres cannot serve. If your entire candidacy is based on the idea that the establishment is a bunch of corrupt jerks who gave all your jobs to china and want to let in immigrants to take the remaining work then I'm not sure a pro-free trade, pro-immigration reform establishment candidate really stays consistent with that message.

Of course, inconsistency is Trump's hallmark. What he's really selling is the reaffirmed dominance of white men in the halls of power and Pence sends that message clearly. Judging from bluering's response, it is well accepted.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:32am PT
"Trump is a litigious SOB"

Odd....I always thought of Republicans as being the anti-lawyer Party....
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:34am PT
The VP has essentially no power.

Depends on the president, Dick Cheney seemed to wield a lot of power over Dubya
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:39am PT
“You have to treat ’em like shit”


Donald Trump on women
More info: Politico, Dec. 8 »
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:45am PT
Regarding 'the Wall', he HAS TO DO IT if he's elected? He wants it too, but he has framed his candidacy on that wall being built. If anybody stands in that way they will be counter to 'the will of the people' and the president elect.

F*#king brilliant.
Bluring

He has to build the Wall, he just has to do it.

and have Mexico pay for it.


there is nothing equivalent on the Democratic side that you can compare to.
especially not posting a debunked virtually true image of Trump with some words on it.

I prefer the status quo to anything Trump endorses
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 08:48am PT
Depends on the president, Dick Cheney seemed to wield a lot of power over Dubya

Having the president's ear is powerful. Constitutionally, the veep's only real power comes in breaking ties in the Senate and being second in line of succession.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:50am PT
You can't break a tie in the Senate if every bill is filibustered

F*#king Republicans
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:55am PT

Donald Trump and Mike Pence are playing unlikely roles in their pairing as presidential running mates
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-pence-announcement-20160716-snap-story,amp.html#

As partnerships go, theirs is not exactly a bromance. In their first joint appearance, the two displayed none of the warmth often shown in vice presidential rollouts. Trump stole the stage in a rambling speech before introducing Pence almost as an afterthought. They did not link arms afterward. Instead, they awkwardly shook hands and skipped altogether the classic pose of arms stretched into the air, hands clasped in.

The two will not immediately hit the road together. Trump’s body language suggested that he was done with his running mate as soon as he introduced him.



Well, it's well known how much narcissists hate to share the stage with anyone...hopefully Pence doesn't personalize this too much....
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:19am PT
Usually, the nominee uplifts and the veep attack-dogs.

Pence purportedly dislikes negative campaigning, while Trump thrives on it, so the roles may be reversed.

Anyway, let the Cleveland sh#t show begin. I hope there is no bloodshed.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:32am PT
I was stuck by the reports of the shooter being a marine, killing three policemen.

It seems that there has been a Repub narrative that says that citizens should arm themselves so as to be able to exercise their "second amendment solutions" when they feel the gov't is oppressing them.

This is the Cliven Bundy approach, and it appears to be taken seriously by those who have grievances against the gov't, using the police as the handiest manifestation of that gov't.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:34am PT
I don't get it

why would the Cleveland Police Department ask Governor Kasich to suspend the open carry gun law during the convention

when we all know that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun
F

climber
away from the ground
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:38am PT
^^^^
And why isn't Escopedro shitting his pants over that? Hmmmmmmm????

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:55am PT
If it's a gun free zone, then you are risking your life to go there!

these gun free zones are complete killing fields were any crazy loon knows that they can go and shoot up the place with no worries.

A bad guy with a gun doesn't care about legality, he's just looking for gun free zones to freely express his second amendment rights!

I put up a sign in my neighborhood that reads, "Not a Gun Free Zone"
It helps me sleep at night.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:16am PT
Yeah, but if there's a good guy with a gun there, they will be able to stop....

...the shooting...

..ummm....


Nevermind.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 10:17am PT
Why are you guys scoffing at the power of totem fetish worship? Be respectful of other people's faith, ok? We have the first amendment for a reason.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:41am PT
Tyson Gross arrived at a Donald Trump rally on the Cleveland riverfront Monday with a plainly visible Glock pistol in a holster on his belt.

"I hope to God I don't have to use it," said the soft-spoken 31-year-old Navy financial analyst.

..."I don't want to be here, because it's dangerous," said Gross, who added that he fears a terrorist attack and violent clashes with anti-Trump protesters.

"I respect their right to protest," he said of Black Lives Matter demonstrators and others who oppose the Republican presidential nominee-in-waiting who described the nation Sunday as "a divided crime scene" that "will only get worse."

"Come armed too," Gross said of the Black Lives Matters supporters. "It's fine. Just don't harm anybody."

The rally of bikers, tea party followers and other Trump supporters was organized by Roger Stone, a veteran GOP campaign consultant and Trump confidant.

"I can't wait to get out of here," said Gross, who lifted his "Hillary for Prison 2016" T-shirt to show how the heavy gun on the belt of his baggy shorts was weighing down his thin frame.

He said his wife urged him not to drive to Cleveland for the rally, but he insisted he needed to demonstrate — by displaying his loaded gun — that Trump's supporters could not be intimidated.

"When I was saying goodbye to my wife, I was getting a little teary-eyed," he said. "I didn't know what to expect."

God save the Republic.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:48am PT
It's going to be the World's Largest KKK Rally!

Don't forget your white Robes!
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:48am PT
You can't break a tie in the Senate if every bill is filibustered

F*#king Republicans

Craig, the Senate minority filibusters. Right now, that's Democrats.

John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 10:49am PT
The idea of ideologically opposed groups showing up armed "for safety" is a recipe for total disaster.





John posted
Craig, the Senate minority filibusters. Right now, that's Democrats.

You can't break a tie when they won't ever bring a vote.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:53am PT
True, HDDJ, but that's not a filibuster. That's more like the way Harry Reid ran the Senate.

For the record, I think the Republicans are making a mistake here. I think the next SCOTUS nominee will be far to the left of Garland.

John
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:57am PT
Payback is a Bitch
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:57am PT
Republican National Convention Schedule Released, Featuring Hate, Death, and Fear

The Rude Pundit
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

The Republican Party finally released its speaker list and general schedule for its national convention, which starts Monday in Cleveland (motto: "Dear God, let us survive this"). It's an unsurprising list of minor celebrities, craven politicians, and an assortment of dicks and as#@&%es, all ready to go f*#k themselves at a word from their nominee, Donald Trump. Here's a look:

Night 1: A "Benghazi focus," with the corpse of Ambassador Christopher Stevens propped up in a chair as Melania Trump, in a Hillary Clinton mask, lap dances it. Then two security officers who survived the attack in Libya will be allowed to gun down a Muslim chosen at random from the streets of Cleveland. Melania Trump, in a hijab, will give them a lap dance to celebrate their triumph. Rudy Giuliani will show up to play "Creepy Uncle Rudy," the lonely divorced guy who weeps while masturbating in the kids' room while the children are asleep, telling himself it's not wrong. Then we shift to immigration, where border patrol agents will wrestle each other over which one of them hates Messicans more and how much a wall would be awesome. Finally, Jamiel Shaw will speak. His son was killed by an undocumented immigrant in 2008, which would have been during the presidency of George W. Bush, a Republican. But he's black and supports Trump. Two lap dances from Melania for him.

Night 2: It's economy night: Everyone in attendance will be given a poor person to feed and care for for the night. If you keep the poor person alive until the end of the evening, you get a gift bag. If your poor person dies under your watch, like if you drop them on their head or leave them in your car without a window opened, you still get a gift bag, but you have to pretend you feel bad about taking it. What you don't have to feel bad about is that the poor person will receive hospital treatment because Ohio is one of the few states led by a Republican that took the Medicaid expansion. The evening will conclude with Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell slowly strangling adorable hedgehogs, their horrible squeaks echoing throughout the hall as the gathered delegates hope the animals die quickly, just to end it. Everyone gets a scholarship to Trump University, as long as you buy at least one course package.

Night 3: Guns and penises: Eric Trump will come on stage and slowly fellate an AR-15 held by his Klonopinned to the gills wife. A presentation on Bill Clinton's dick will feature reenactments of his Oval Office shenanigans. There will be a raffle to see who gets to put a cigar in pro-golfer Natalie Gulbis's snatch. Ted Cruz will speak about how God has forsaken him and he will now become a male prostitute. He will offer his services, but no one will take him up on it. When Cruz is done, everyone will get a chance to punch Newt Gingrich in the dick. The evening ends with a command to the delegates from the NRA to shove the barrel of their concealed handguns up their as#@&%es until they feel pleasure take over the pain. So much blood, sh#t, and semen will stain the floor that the night will end early. Anti-choice activists think that's their cue, but they will be sent home without being allowed to speak.

Night 4: The coronation of the Trump: Donald Trump will be presented, nude, covered in oil, to the writhing hordes who have been engaged in unholy congress due to the ecstasy and acid that the Trump water bottles were laced with. "Who dares challenge me?" Trump will cry out as he is surrounded by virgin Asian boys who constantly massage his balls and rub the oil into his flesh with meat from Trump steaks. Ivanka will place a crown on his head and, taking his penis in her hand, lead her father to the lectern where he will demand human sacrifice. Reince Priebus will offer his heart for the eating, and Tim Tebow will carry out the ritual. Trump will decline the heart and, instead, command Chris Christie to eat it, yanking on his nipple chains to bring him forth. Tebow will fist the bent over Christie as he gorges on the bloody organ. Bathed in light, Trump will ask for ten, no, twenty, no, okay, let's make it ten hot women, not pigs, to be brought to his suite so that he can interview them for unpaid internships. The lights will go out suddenly and, when they come on, Trump will be gone, his swastika-emblazoned helicopter already flying him away from Cleveland. His biker troops will use fire hoses to chase out the remaining delegates. The body of Reince Priebus will be left to rot and be eaten by rats.

Outside, the riots will descend into Soylent Green territory.

It's gonna be a fun time in Cleveland.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:59am PT
Payback is a Bitch

The underlying theme of American politics.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 11:03am PT
John posted
True, HDDJ, but that's not a filibuster. That's more like the way Harry Reid ran the Senate.

Yes, the point is you're being pedantic. It's also how McConnell is running the Senate.


Interestingly, Sean Smith's mom will be speaking tonight at the convention. I talk politics on a forum that Sean was a moderator on. I don't get the impression that this would have made him particularly happy.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 18, 2016 - 11:08am PT
Really there is no such thing as "White Privilege". Just ask Paul Ryan.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 11:17am PT

Solid
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 12:05pm PT


"We need someone trustworthy in the White House."
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:15pm PT
Benghazi!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:18pm PT
"For the record, I think the Republicans are making a mistake here. I think the next SCOTUS nominee will be far to the left of Garland."

Hang in there, RBG!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
"Colbert crashes the RNC podium and insults Trump.


"Look, I know I'm not supposed to be up here — but to be honest, neither is Donald Trump!"

Holy crap, that's funny!
c wilmot

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:28pm PT
You shop at cid,s or the super save bob d,a? How much is your Taos house worth? Perhaps you feel there is a white privlade because it all you have ever known?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:44pm PT
Perhaps you feel there is a white privlade because it all you have ever known?

Admitting it exists is he first step in beating it. 12 steps, right?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:55pm PT
being a resident of New Mexico and knowing Taos well

far more likely Paul Ryan knows nothing but white privilege than Bob

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 18, 2016 - 01:21pm PT
"You shop at cid,s or the super save bob d,a? How much is your Taos house worth? Perhaps you feel there is a white privlade because it all you have ever known?"

Actually Albertson's or Smith's.

Taos is 60 percent hispanic.

Get a life and get off my leg.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 18, 2016 - 01:21pm PT
There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 02:23pm PT
I'm trying not to laugh.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
Over 100 Naked Women Protest Outside RNC Quicken Loans Convention Center



“I fought to hold in my tears as [Tunick] explained that we were gathered together to make a statement against the rhetoric of hatred that’s being spewed out from the Republican party; against the misogynistic, xenophobic, racist, anti-LGBTQ, ableist platform that has defined hating others as an acceptable American lifestyle.”



EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:25pm PT
How many militant feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:28pm PT
Is that you, Locker?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:36pm PT

ha ha, lol, Edward told a lightbulb joke! Isn't he clever?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:55pm PT
Why are liberal women so disgusting? Put yer clothes on, have you no decency, maam?

Why do they think these protests work? It get's attention? Not good attention. No bueno...
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:07pm PT
yeah, female public nudity is SO disgusting

amazing how you can tell from looking at them that they are "liberal"

never get tired of being wrong
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:21pm PT
What is Donald selling? that he is a decisive decision-maker, that can manage things well, including complex military decisions. Right?


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The Trump team was then unprepared Friday to present Indiana Gov. Mike Pence’s record, provide basic biographical info, deflect Clinton attacks or even update its website. Student body election campaigns have been better organized than this.

Many Republicans oppose Trump because they see him as the one candidate most likely to lose to Hillary Clinton. But others fear something worse: a Trump victory. They know that his presidency would represent a grave danger to the republic, a repudiation of the most noble Republican aspirations, and the end of their party as a serious vehicle for governance. The GOP can survive a Trump defeat. It will never get over being permanently defined by his politics of flippant brutality.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:25pm PT
I dunno, blue...


Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:36pm PT
those women took all their clothes off!

they gotta be "liberals"

those women heard and read what Donald Trump said about women and didn't like it

so they gotta be liberals, because conservative girls like being called sluts, bimbos
and to be "treated like shit" as Donald said

jesus h christ.....make it stop
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:42pm PT
Liberal or not, they're retarded. Its an easy mistake to make.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
Why do these nearly naked pseudodo militia guys insist on strutting around Oregon doing Chris Christie impersonatons?


Oh, BTW

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
Good one edwardT


Esco you know every time you say retarded it just flags you as an as#@&%e right? It's not about being PC it's just about not being a d#@&%e bag.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:54pm PT
Can only lead to sheeit like this, righty?

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:57pm PT
Looks like I lost my $10 bet

Trump Will Be the GOP Presidential nominee

Last-Ditch Rebellion Against Donald Trump Fails

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/last-ditch-rebellion-mounted-against-donald-trump_us_578d2d55e4b0c53d5cfa7a56

I'll await BB's claim to the winning bet
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:04pm PT
On the sexual front.

Trump and pal Howard Stern 1993




In a 1993 interview on The Howard Stern Show, Donald Trump said those who did not serve in the Vietnam War had their own Vietnam to deal with — dating.
“You know, if you’re young, and in this era, and if you have any guilt about not having gone to Vietnam. We have our own Vietnam. It’s called the dating game,” he said during a discussion of Trump’s well-publicized germaphobia and the ongoing AIDs epidemic.
“It’s pretty dangerous out there Robin. It’s like Vietnam,” Trump said earlier in the interview.
“It is, it is,” Stern said. “The dating scene is like Vietnam.”
“Dating is like being in Vietnam,” Trump said. “You’re the equivalent of a soldier going over to Vietnam.”

AND

Police look for victim in body-shaming photo taken by Playboy model at L.A. gym


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-playboy-dani-mathers-lapd-photo-20160718-snap-story.html
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:07pm PT
It's the Grand Old Party of Alex jones now: he spoke at a trump rally.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/18/the_lunacy_of_trump_s_gop_at_the_america_first_unity_rally.html

No past presidents, no past nominees, no up and coming politicians.

This is what a terminal party looks like.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
at least based on the start of the rnc so far, the rude pundit's satire, that CFry copy pasta'd a few pages back, may have been too understated:

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while the mixture of religion and politics has been a mainstay of republicanism for quite some time, that is some next level wanna-be-ayatollah shIt right there...



stay tuned, the appearance of a nude trump and melania lap dancing with the corpses of benghazi soldiers may have been more prognostication than satire...

holy [christian] shiite...
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
WTF, Bengahzi nite at the convention. Just watched Pat Smith spew her hate. I am sure her son would be mortifed to see his mother behave like that.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:40pm PT
whiny little bitches
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:49pm PT
I have never before encountered an uglier human being, inside and out, than Trump.

I find everything about him utterly repulsive....what he says, how he says it, his hand movements, his sneer even his hair.

Rush Limbaugh looks good in comparison....never thought I would sat that!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:56pm PT
The Rude Pundit always nails it perfectly

You should check on him for daily updates of his blog

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:03pm PT
^^^^ based on tonight, he's killing it.



wow.

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this is now your party rethuglicans.



embrace it...

and let the rage... the fear... and the grief... flow through you.

overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:16pm PT

A lot of them gals seem to be covering the wrong area which is strange because it's usually the other way around
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-republican-convention-2016-live-the-turtles-don-t-like-the-gop-s-use-of-1468887305-htmlstory.html

Shortly after “Happy Together” started playing over the speakers at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland the Turtle's lead singer Howard Kaylan tweeted his concern:
We never approved this use.
Now we call the lawyers

But reached by phone, Turtles bandmate Mark Volman told The Times that because the organizers employed a house band to play the famed tune, the group does not appear to have much legal recourse.

The Turtles own only the so-called mechanical rights -- their own performance and recording of the song -- and are therefore unable to prevent another act from covering it.

“They can’t use the Turtles’ record on TV without paying for it, so if they did, they will certainly hear about it," he said.

...That said, Volman does have a few philosophical objections to the song’s use in Cleveland. “It seems kind of silly that they would open the convention with something that has nothing to do with them at all,” he says. “The RNC seems to be going out of its way in creating more of a negative than a positive, so I don’t think ‘Happy Together’ really fits.”

However, adds Volman with a laugh, “I can see why they would use it. It’s a fabulous song!”

Flo and Eddie telling like it is. Maybe it reminds Trump of Ivanka.
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Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:26pm PT
What was the outcome of the investigations of 20 terrorist attacks on U.S. embassies/consulates resulting in 66 deaths during G.W. Bush’s presidency?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:41pm PT
I have never before encountered an uglier human being, inside and out, than Trump.

I find everything about him utterly repulsive....what he says, how he says it, his hand movements, his sneer even his hair.

Boy ain't that the truth.

I've never been more disappointed in American politics.



Good thing there's more to life.


...

re: bothsideism... mind-boggling irresponsibility.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/opinion/both-sides-now.html
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:46pm PT
How about that Tom Cotton?

Is he awesome or what?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
Tom Cotton reciting his military history. Apparently to fill the gap where Trump has none, except avoiding STD's.

Make America just like Trump.

After Trump loses, there is talk that the 2020 candidate may very well be Cotton.



High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:05pm PT
The Art of the Lie...

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all


'I Feel a Deep Sense of Remorse,’ Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Says

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us/politics/trump-book-tony-schwartz.html

Craig, nice to see you referenced it already.



Crooked Trump.

That should be the prevailing meme.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:14pm PT
Sadly, I think Trump is going to win it. Republicans are so easily herded by fear-mongering rhetoric, they don't care that it's all built on lies and half truths. All they see & hear is god & country. They're going to whip up the christian vote and each one of voting age will do so.

Dems are more complacent and will not be able to mount a good defense against the tidal wave of blind fear & lies. I weep for America.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:19pm PT
I weep for America.

me too
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:22pm PT
I'm an American with a Remington.....What time is the Sarah Palin wet t-shirt contest...?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
Crap...did you guys here Giuliani? Sounded like he was about to stroke out....

They played him out with Van Morrison's 'Brown Eyed Girl', followed by Queen's 'We are the Champions'. I betcha those artists would have a problem with the RNC using their music....
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
She shur is purdy
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
Top of the list of most Evil:

Newt Gingrich
Rudy Giuliani
Paul Manafort
Karl Rove
Frank Luntz
Tom Cotton
Rick Scott
Scott Walker
Melanoma ( a teleprompter !!!) "citizens of planet Earth"!!

I forgot the rest
I will update as the convention plods on and brings back the memories

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
Rudy first time mention how many years he known Trump...30years..
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:28pm PT
'Melanoma'

Sssshhh....she's talking right now....
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
I really wish someone would Rickroll her right now.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
Such a doll
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
so sad
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
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to da luu !!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:34pm PT
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:38pm PT
She shore is pretty!

Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:41pm PT
She shore is pretty!

Not really. A two-bagger if you ask me.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
Melanimanl has a slight resemblance to Medusa...Hot...!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
Pretty interesting that they trotted her out on the first day...maybe they've shot their wad for the RNC 2016?

It was funny listening to the fade on 'We are the Champions'....they faded it just as they got to:
"..but it's been no bed of roses....
..no pleasure cruise..."


Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:46pm PT

should be around soon
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:47pm PT
You're doing his work for him so he can take the night off.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
Being a tall white hetero, I prefer Marla Maples

What ever happened to their daughter?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
"Donald is intensely loyal,"


said his third wife.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:52pm PT
To recap the GOP convention, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama engaged in a conspiracy to let the terrorists in, and there’s been so much death and blood and gore and guts and if it wasn’t for all those liberals, every terrorist would already be dead. So unless you vote for Trump, THEY ARE COMING TO KILL YOU and you WILL die, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:53pm PT
This sh#t is sooooo much fun. Like watching the circus.

Edit:
Norton, you left out the part where Obama is complicit with all the cop killings that have happened of late.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:55pm PT
I found her
Nothing bad to say on my part
Tiffany Trump
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
. Ronald Reagan was the only president who ever divorced his wife
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:01pm PT

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:02pm PT

He's had all the hot celebrities and models,
His list is very impressive.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:11pm PT
Speaks for itself:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
Terrorists from ISIS are in all 50 States....

Jodi Ernst
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:23pm PT
Otter fur on that first one. Very nice.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
Donald looks quite dapper with the tarantula eyebrows...Otter fur....Good eye esco peta...She ain't got nothin on Barbara Bush...
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
Keep a clean nose, watch where your handjams go


"She's So Cold"

I'm so hot for her, I'm so hot for her
I'm so hot for her and she's so cold
I'm so hot for her, I'm on fire for her
I'm so hot for her and she's so cold
I'm the burning bush, I'm the burning fire
I'm the bleeding volcano
I'm so hot for her, I'm so hot for her
I'm so hot for her and she's so cold
Yeah, I tried re-wiring her, tried re-firing her
I think her engine is permanently stalled
She's so cold she's so cold
She's so cold cold cold
Like a tombstone
She's so cold, she's so cold
she's so cold cold cold like an ice cream cone
She's so cold she's so cold
I dare not touch her my hand just froze
Yeah, I'm so hot for hot for her, I'm so hot for her
I'm so hot for her and even so
Put your hand on the heat, put your hand on the heat
Aw C'mon baby, let's go
She's so cold, she's so cold, cold, she's so c-c-c-old
But she's beautiful, though
Yeah, she's so cold
She's so cold, she's so cold
She was born in an arctic zone
She's so cold she's so cold, cold, cold
I dare not touch her my hand just froze
She's so cold, she's so goddamn cold she's so
Cold cold cold she's so cold
Who would believe you were a beauty indeed
When the days get shorter and the nights get long
Lie awake when the rain comes
Nobody will know, when you're old
When you're old, nobody will know
that you was a beauty, a sweet sweet beauty
A sweet sweet beauty, but stone stone cold
You're so cold, you're so cold, cold, cold
You're so cold, you're so cold
I'm so hot for you, i'm so hot for you
I'm so hot for you and you're so cold
I'm the burning bush, I'm the burning fire
I'm the bleeding volcano
stunewberry

Trad climber
Spokane, WA
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:50pm PT
What happened to the interest in Trump's tax returns? He claimed he couldn't because he was being audited. IRS said that's no reason not to release them. Here's the top two reason he probably won't: 1) He's not as rich as he claims. 2) There are nasty skeletons in there that he doesn't want anyone to see.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:00pm PT
They'll be back and harped on

Will he release? Probably not

Same reason Romney didn't
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:05pm PT
Wasn't Reagan also a Christian???...

sure!

likely three times buried and born again many more times
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
"What happened to the interest in Trump's tax returns?"


Ask the ball-less media....
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:33pm PT
I find it ironic that republicans only want people who speak perfect English to be allowed in this country.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:34pm PT
And they won't allow potatoe guns at their convention.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:44pm PT
The speech is the thing

Wherein we'll capture

The lack of conscience ...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:48pm PT
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aya butt, sum langquish spawns METAmorphosiss,s,s,s,s

hear kitty kitty, how do you get a kitty to pay attention;b
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:51pm PT
Yeah, well, if they don't care about dishonesty they're sure as heck not going to care about plagiarism.




#CrookedMelania
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:56pm PT
A cancer on the house of Trump.

Melanoma claims she wrote (... er ... plaigiarized) the speech all by herself.

Whoops, somebody else wrote it

I just read it

Lying Melanoma, lying Donny - must run in the family..




Clinton (or surrogate) will ask about those tax returns repeatedly.

Will Trump debate Clinton or just call it in.


BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:04pm PT
what was their lie?

that debate will be trumpeted throughout the future, dang sure the hair will be thair!
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:18pm PT
She said she wrote the speech.

When asked about the speech during an interview with NBC's Matt Lauer, Melania Trump said, " I wrote it...with as little help as possible."


She didn't.

The actual writer plagiarized Obama speech.

Donny's lies? You're kidding. Right?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:53pm PT
sorry thought you were talkin bout his boook.. shoulda read back ferther, i quess

as far as i can throw donny, he's just a used car salesman! jus gotta know what turd he's sellin to get the deal you want.. he should be easily controlled by you know who. Ho Ho Ho. Billary on the other hand, she's already sold.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:55pm PT
Ok....so who you gonna vote for, blueb?

Or are you gonna stay home?
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 11:02pm PT
Really? A dry ice entrance?

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 18, 2016 - 11:09pm PT
yeah i'm a felon. so my only legality is to throw tomatoes from the stands. sorry

guess i got 30+pent up yrs of not sharing the rfights you all shjare. like the right to vote . to leave the country. to own a gun. to be bonded or licensed.ETC..
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 18, 2016 - 11:33pm PT
plagiarizing an obama... and a rick roll?

damn the clinton's must have their saboteur's deep deep under cover on this one... hahaha...

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i wonder if after someone reads trump's twitter feed to him, whether melania will be sleeping alone tonight...

wow.... what a night. what a shining beacon of hope... of creative intelligence... of new vision... of respect for others in our differences... /s

un.be.liev.ab.le
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 18, 2016 - 11:37pm PT
Nice speech by Melania. Figures, since it appears to have been written by Michelle Obama.

Did anyone seriously expect her to have thoughts of her own?

Curt
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:20am PT
last one...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

after the totality of this opening night of the rnc, i'm left almost speechless.

a large portion of america truly does want to go full hunger games.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:03am PT
It just gets stranger and stranger. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-college-claims_us_578dd95ce4b0c53d5cfac0dc?section=
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:24am PT
Melania helped design Trump's tower....It use to be small but now it's uge...Melania will design the great wall...Why all the hate...? Take back America...I mean let's make it great again...
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:27am PT
She should've claimed a degree from Tramp U.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:57am PT
I watched most of it last night, same old republican party, fear and hate.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:13am PT
It's always fear and hate on either side.

Fear and hate of The Donald on the left since that's really all Hillary has going for her to deflect from her own crimes.

Sad state of affairs.

Re-read 1984 if you haven't.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 06:32am PT
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Melania inarguably plagiarized Michelle's speech from 2008, a speech that Melania Trump claims to have written with as little help as possible. Presumably we all assumed she meant "speechwriter" but she really meant FLOTUS.

Even better, the part that she stole was about loyalty, trust, honesty and character.

Lastly, for those of you trying to argue this away in your minds, the odds of two people writing the same 5 words in a row (excluding common articles like this, the, a, and, an, etc...) is in the same realm as winning the Powerball. The same 25 out of 27 words is impossible. This would be grounds for suspension at all universities, journalists would likely lose their jobs and academic papers would be retracted and the professors could lose tenure for this kind of behavior. Though...in her defense....plagiarism was probably encouraged at Trump University.




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Melania's bizarre speech cribbing is overshadowing some the kind of cartoonish racism one has come to expect from Steve 'Cantaloupe Calves' King, a prominent Republican politician who yesterday insisted that white people, and Christians in particular, were responsible for the rise and success of all of civilization.


zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:48am PT
Well, someone should have checked the handy desktop reference that those of us in the know got in the mail.


Dutch scientists have developed a unique solution to deal with the data storage problem. By manipulating single atoms, researchers have created the world’s smallest hard drive capable of storing 1 kilobyte of data (8000 bits) in a space under 100 nanometers across. Using this technology, one could store all the books in the world on a device the size of a postage stamp.

I've got my own economic issues to deal with today. Perhaps someone can read through this one for us all and present a reasoned critique.


Where Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Stand on Economic Issues
**


http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-on-the-economy/

divad

Trad climber
wmass
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:03am PT
Melania blew it for the Donald..
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:11am PT
Of course that's why he married her
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:15am PT
They are trying hard, give them credit. Fortunately they don't have a Leni Riefenstahl.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:18am PT
How can the Repugs follow that performance. Ratings tonite should be yuuuge
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 07:26am PT
Can't blame her for wanting to take inspiration from a strong, intelligent, accomplished First Lady.

The combination of the plagiarism and the Rick Roll (which wasn't even cleverly masked) makes me think her speechwriter is an anti-Trump operative. There's no other explanation.


The RNC program apparently said that Malania got a degree in design from the University of Slovenia but she dropped out after a year. Trump's campaign has repeatedly referred to her "degree."
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:31am PT
I must admit, even I did not think they would f*#k up so badly so early in the convention


Ya know, the point of a convention is to serve as a multi day infomercial for the nominee. And after day one, the takeaway is disunity in the party and Melanie plagiarized her speech. Did they really think no one would notice?

This is the campaign that promises to hire the best people, and to run the country extremely competently?

Seriously?

Reports before the convention said that Rnc staff were nervous about the convention. They were right: this is what happens when a con man with little interest in actually running things and bare bones staff is put in charge.

G-d help us all if he wins.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:33am PT
This is what a terminal party looks like.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 07:36am PT


This f*#king election. I mean holy sh#t. Is this real life?


*edit*


Ok, no it wasn't real life. It was photoshopped as a joke. Thank god.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:36am PT
"I know I'm not supposed to be up here, but neither is Donald Trump!" Brilliant!!

https://www.google.com/gfe_rd=ssl&ei=H-PqVqPmAuyD8QeWvJKADg#q=colbert+rnc+video
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:38am PT
Hddj please tell me that Twitter quote from
Donald is fake.


Please please please tell me it's fake.

The closest Donald should get to the White House is an organized tour.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:44am PT
It's like watching a Junior High Talent Night Show interspersed with the dark side indoctrination sessions given by cartoonish goons straight from Dr. Evil's lair

I just don't get how anyone can think this is a Party that is worth voting into office.

It's nothing more than a Party of corrupt clowns hungry for power
that will throw the country under the bus to claim it
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:45am PT
The combination of the plagiarism and the Rick Roll (which wasn't even cleverly masked) makes me think her speechwriter is an anti-Trump operative. There's no other explanation.

Nah. Donald is already bored with all this campaigning nonsense. Melania's plagiarism was intentional. Donald made a bet with David Koch that none of his supporters would give a sh#t.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 07:48am PT
Bah, it was shopped. Thank god. My brain was almost broken.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:51am PT
Can't blame her for wanting to take inspiration from a strong, intelligent, accomplished First Lady.

I'm positive melania copied michelles wheight loss tip's..

LIBERLS heads are exploding everywhere..
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:54am PT
I'm positive melania copied michelles wheight loss tip's..

LIBERLS heads are exploding everywhere

I think you got it wrong Pyro

We're celebrating

after last night's show
The entire GOP leadership heads are exploding
Even the Bushs
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 07:59am PT
pyro posted
I'm positive melania copied michelles wheight loss tip's..

Misogynists gotta misogyny.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 08:02am PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:17am PT
Pyro's head is the one that is going to explode in November.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:18am PT
another day in the assault minds

vvvv it really is crazy
case in point below your post
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:20am PT
You repeat the same stupid garbage 13 thousand times in a row over and over in every day all day long.


Pot..kettle...
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:28am PT
Breaking News!!!

GOP to launch investigation into allegations that Michelle Obama plagiarized Melanie Trump
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:29am PT
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:32am PT
^^^^ :-)
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:36am PT
apparently she isn't an American

She said that Trump would be the best for YOUR Country

Not OUR Country

When is she going to learn how to speak Ermican!!
She's forigenerrer
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:40am PT
Didn't realize Chachi is bat sh#t crazy and a huge racist.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:43am PT
I hope that duck dynasty dude gets to be secretary of the interior.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:46am PT

Jul 19, 2016 - 08:36am PT
Welcome to the modern GOP, boys.

Enjoy.

I'm laughing, but I really don't find this sorry spectacle funny.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:46am PT
is Scott Baio a white guy or what?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:49am PT
"for those of you trying to argue this away in your minds..."

"Donald made a bet with David Koch that none of his supporters would give a sh#t."


I bet he did, and Donald won.

Trumpsters are not going to fall out of line because of something like this.

Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:51am PT
Trumpsters are not going to fall out of line because of something like this.

oh my goodness no!

they will love Donald even more because Melania is hot
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:53am PT
I say Hillary get a rating bump from this convention.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:54am PT
"a large portion of america truly does want to go full hunger games."


Yes. This.

I'm changing my avatar icon, at least for the near future.

Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:54am PT
is that a ferret?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:03am PT

Why, yes...thank you for noticing....
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 09:12am PT
The Fox Blondes are piling on Ailes...and not in the way he was hoping for.

Sources: Megyn Kelly Told Murdoch Investigators That Roger Ailes Sexually Harassed Her


*edit*


Two sources in that story say that Murdoch has given Ailes until August 1st to resign.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:14am PT
I found Scott Baio's most recent claim to fame

tweeting out a photo shopped image of Hillary in from of the sign that Bush was photographed with.

What a moron

Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:17am PT
If Melania is so smart how come she needed a teleprompte?

skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:23am PT
You all are waaaay too serious about this stuff...

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:38am PT
Fox News will not die w/o Ailes

It will go on as the media wing of the Right Wing Bubble people
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:52am PT
Thankfully, Colbert seems to be regaining his identity in recent months. He's been so milquetoast since he went to the Tonight Show...maybe that was a condition of his contract with CBS?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 09:52am PT
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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:53am PT
Wa Post:

Some Republicans also said the consequences could be grave.

“Talking to operatives here, the mood is something between grim resignation and the Donner Party,” Mike Murphy, a veteran GOP consultant and a former top adviser to Jeb Bush, said on Tuesday morning.

Steve Schmidt, the senior adviser to the 2008 presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), said on MSNBC that the plagiarism accusation has “brought scandal on a potential first lady.”
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:57am PT
Another thing that struck me as odd about Mrs Trumps speech. English is clearly not her first language. So electing Trump means placing in the White House, a person with significant ties to foreign countries.

It means nothing to me, but you can't help but wonder how it impacts the vague feelings of those who are so anti-foreigner?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:02am PT
you can't help but wonder how it impacts the vague feelings of those who are so anti-foreigner?

hot chicks always get a free pass.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:03am PT
"The one with Bush is the one photoshopped."


Whatever, Cosmic.

That Bush image has been around FOREVER. Genuine or not, it came first (edit: as a political meme), and some lame ass usedtabe tweeted it to get some attention.

A usedtabe to who is gaining attention by human caterpillaring himself onto a golden manatee. The same golden manatee whose wife plagiarized the speech of the Right's second most hated FLOTUS.

There. We got things back on topic. Let's try to stay there, huh?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 10:07am PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:10am PT
I'm all out, Edward. These tears of laughter have been flowing long and hard ever since yesterday evening.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 10:12am PT

You'll note that the non-highlighted parts contain some pretty obvious rephrasing...they only highlighted the verbatim bits.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:17am PT
Melania plagiarized Michelle?

Oh my!!!

Is this worse than Michelle plagiarizing Alinsky?

Barack plagiarizing Patrick?

Hillary plagiarizing Edwards? Sanders?

Looks like Melania's transgressions are standard fare.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:18am PT
Boy, you Democrats are more open-minded than I. I can't bring myself to watch.

John
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:19am PT
Did Led Zeppelin plagiarize Spirit?

(That oughta troll DMT back here...)
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:21am PT
Boy, you Democrats are more open-minded than I. I can't bring myself to watch.

girls just wanna have fun, John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 10:21am PT
Ed posted
Looks like Melania's transgressions are standard fare.

Thank you for clarifying the thought process employed to justify how we wound up with a Trump nomination.



Pestilence has struck at the RNC.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:30am PT
Boy, you Democrats are more open-minded than I. I can't bring myself to watch

I can't watch most of it. I watched Michele Obama's speech and Donald's intro. The rest was all doom and gloom.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:32am PT
Holy crap!

"At least a dozen California GOP staff members at the Republican National Convention have been quarantined in their hotel rooms after becoming ill with what appears to be a highly contagious norovirus, also known as the cruise-ship virus, according to officials from both the California GOP and local health agencies.

“It looks like norovirus,” said Pete Schade, the Erie County health commissioner. His department collected fecal samples from the afflicted staffers Tuesday morning and planned to take them to a state lab in the afternoon."



YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS SH#T UP.

Republicans get shtooped by Trump as their candidate, then get a swab up their arse at the RNC. Priceless!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:33am PT
If trump's people simply said "oops we fooked up" we would've passed the plagiarism thing's half life several hours ago. But because they double down on everything and never apologize, it's now overshadowing Day 2.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:40am PT
Trump is still trying to figure a way to Dump Pence

he hates Pence with a passion!

Can he still change VP picks before November?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:41am PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:43am PT
Hell yes he could, Craig.

Hell, he could easily dump the whole frickin' nomination with a big Eff Yew to the GOP.

Wouldn't be surprising at all if he just walked away from it all, as it becomes crystal clear he's headed for an utterly embarrassing defeat.

Narcissists hate that sh#t.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:53am PT
y from it all, as it becomes crystal clear he's headed for an utterly embarrassing defeat.

I have a healthy disdain for pollsters but surely they're not that far off in predicting a pretty
close race, or do you know something the rest of us don't?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:55am PT
Paul Montfort just blamed Clinton for Melandia speech.


WTF.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:55am PT
Anyone watch Hillary Clinton on the Charlie Rose show???...

Saw it this morning. She stuck it to Donald. And she did it in an adult manner. None of the childish cheap rhetoric that's become so commonplace in American politics.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:56am PT

You clowns are worst then Trump.

You repeat the same stupid garbage 13 thousand times in a row over and over every day all day long.

Nutcases ......






hey Werner you should ask Craig fry about his plagiarized guide book!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:58am PT
Hey Craig.

You forgot about the theological liberals.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:04am PT
Man, pyro...just can't stay on topic, can you?

Does it feel like....

...maybe....
















































apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:09am PT
No? How about this, then...


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:10am PT
John posted
Boy, you Democrats are more open-minded than I. I can't bring myself to watch.

It's not our house burning down (yet)





Ed- Do you really believe that cartoon? Have you ever tried disagreeing with a devout evangelical, catholic or mormon?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:17am PT
but surely they're not that far off in predicting a pretty
close race, or do you know something the rest of us don't?

Reilly,

it is not "close"

the Presidency is determined by which candidate can get to at least 270 Electoral Votes

and the polling in the critical swing states shows Hillary Clinton with a small, not tiny,
very stable, solid lead

if the election were held today she would likely swamp Trump by over 140 "excess" Electoral Votes
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:19am PT
Ed- Do you really believe that cartoon?

Not really. But the last frame had a ring of truth. Leftwing intolerance is on the rise. Not as bad as rightwing intolerance. But the gap is shrinking.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:23am PT
“I went to an Ivy League school.  I’m very highly educated.  I know words.  I have the best words,”


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:25am PT
Republicans are now blaming Hillary Clinton for making Malania plagiarize Obama's speech and are using Twilight Sparkle Pony to dismiss the charges.


Nothing matters...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:29am PT
Norton posted
Reilly,

it is not "close"

the Presidency is determined by which candidate can get to at least 270 Electoral Votes

and the polling in the critical swing states shows Hillary Clinton with a small, not tiny,
very stable, solid lead

if the election were held today she would likely swamp Trump by over 140 "excess" Electoral Votes


Election Update: Clinton’s Lead Is As Safe As Kerry’s Was In 2004

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:30am PT
Further evidence that there is no difference between Republicrats and Demotards.....

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:41am PT
When you got nuthin', all you can do is steal from others, Esco...
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:44am PT
from your link, HDDJ

But Clinton remains ahead of Trump in the clear majority of polls. She leads by about the same margin that Barack Obama did heading into the conventions in 2008, and by a somewhat larger margin than Obama did in 2012.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:45am PT
It did get a little uncomfortable when Melania started talking about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton.....
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:47am PT
Norton:
Based on the polls, we think the model is setting those odds about right. The race is a long way from being a toss-up, but a 3 or 4 percentage point lead heading into the conventions isn’t all that reliable, either. While Obama won twice with pre-convention leads of about that margin, John Kerry went into his convention with a lead of about 3 percentage points in 2004, but lost to George W. Bush. And in 2000, Bush had about a 4-point lead on the eve of the conventions, but lost the popular vote to Al Gore. (Bush won the Electoral College, of course.)

The point is that things are closer than you're making them sound.


Though Trump seems intent on making you right: http://time.com/4413148/republican-convention-donald-trump-corporate-donors/

On a bright sunny Tuesday morning, the Trump Leadership Council gathered at FirstEnergy Stadium for their second official meeting. The group of 40 CEOs and top executives had flown to Cleveland to attend the Republican National Convention and meet with the nominee presumptive, billionaire businessman Donald Trump.

This was the second meeting of the council; the first convening happened a few weeks ago with the nominee presumptive at Trump Tower in New York. The companies represented were there to ostensibly advise Trump on 10 business sectors, such as transportation, healthcare, etc. But it was understood that each of the companies had either already donated money to his campaign, or would in the future—and most were sponsoring convention-related events in Cleveland, according to three people involved in the council.

The group of 40 from companies such as Continental Resources, BNSF Railway and C Spire mingled with Republican members of Congress around breakfast tables set up on one of the stadium’s concourses. The Republican representatives addressed the group, ostensibly stalling for Trump. Rep. Tom Price from Georgia mentioned the plagiarism scandal over Trump’s wife Melania’s speech the evening before. Price blamed the liberal media, who he said, had made the whole thing up, according to people present.

Eventually, though, the speeches ran out and Trump never showed. He had, they found out later, unexpectedly flown back to New York overnight with no word on when he might return. The group was led out to the football field, where NFL champions the Cleveland Browns play, to take pictures before they were let go with no information about when and if a third meeting might take place.






Escopeta posted
It did get a little uncomfortable when Melania started talking about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton.....


That was a pretty meta joke right there seeing as how you plagiarized Michael Crowley:

dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:49am PT
Polls aside, there are other differences too, hddj.

Bush ran a very good campaign in 2004.

By any objective measure, trump's campaign is a train wreck in terms of staffing, funding and organization. And of course, the man in charge is stubborn and kind of nuts and unlikely to substantially right the ship before November. In contrast, Hillary seems to be running a normal, competent campaign.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:53am PT
So you're saying that Trump with a sh#t campaign lagging by the same amount as Bush with a good campaign in 2004 is supposed to be a comforting idea?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:56am PT
No, I'd say that in the vein of what Nate Silver tries to point out in that piece, the post-convention polling is where things will get lots clearer. Bush's campaign was well-run...Trump's notsomuch....which could impact the post-convention direction quite substantially.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:57am PT
Yep hddj. The general election is still in its early stages, and she has resources to stage a rebound. Also, In a close election he's going to have a tough time mustering enough staff to get asses to the polls to vote.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:59am PT
Here's another to pay atten to going forward...

Who Will Be President?


Today...
Hillary Clinton has about a 76% chance of winning the presidency

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
Yep hddj. The general election is still in its early stages, and she has resources to stage a rebound. Also, In a close election he's going to have a tough time mustering enough staff to get asses to the polls to vote.

I was being facetious. There are plenty of "reasons" why Clinton should be able to win. There are plenty of "reasons" why Trump should never have gotten this far.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
The pollsters were pretty confident that Britain would not Brexit, too.
I wouldn't be too comfortable with a 'projected' 3% margin. Jess sayin'.
I sure as hell wouldn't be crowing about a beat down. A lot of blue
collar dems like The Donald's NAFTA bashing, etc.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:12pm PT
You should read that 538 piece, Reilly. And maybe the NYT piece, too.
F

climber
away from the ground
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
Now I want to hear 'Lil Bang Bangs My Little Pony defense for his rip-off.
You know he wasn't at the convention listening to M.T. because they decided to violate his basic human rights by NOT allowing open carry.
Poor little guy. Nothing to do all day but use the Internet as a text generator for his crusade against hypothetical tyranny.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
Here's a good story on the concurrent RNC "Shadow Convention:" http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/rnc-2016-gop-republican-party-leaders-future-donald-trump-214065#ixzz4ErERalNy%20
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:18pm PT
Ap, I'm just gonna wait for November and the Fat Lady.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
I stand by my factual examination of the polls that IF the election were held today that Hillary Clinton would womp Trump in the Electoral College Vote Count.

Doesn't matter if the polls in the swing states show her ahead by 3 or 7, she leads.



There are plenty of "reasons" why Trump should never have gotten this far.

true only if Old Man Conventional Wisdom was to be believed

but then he is the same wise old sage who maintained for 70 years that a rising national debt would absolutely mean rising interest rates, how emphatically wrong he was

fact is, the rise of the Tea Party back in 2010 was clear warning that the base of the Republican Party had changed, into exactly who now will vote for him, and lose, in Nov
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
Looks like you've checked your email today, Cosmic.

I won't bother looking at the source of that transparent attempt at GOP whacknut retribution, but regardless...was Melania's plagiarism really acceptable?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
Cosmic- Other issues aside, are you saying that plagiarism doesn't matter? Your candidate's team wrote a speech lauding your candidate's trustworthiness, honesty and high character that included those very passages lifted from a speech about the Great Kenyan Satan. You don't see even a little bit of irony there? Or are you so easily placated with some "everybody does it" videos?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:34pm PT
many people who would never admit it....

exit polling showed millions did not vote for President Obama because he was "black"

no doubt millions of men will never vote for a woman for President

maybe they have a shitty marriage themselves, among other reasons

it is not politically correct nowadays to admit to being a racist or bigot

on account of most everyone will conclude you are bullheadedly ignorant

and that secret is best kept to oneself
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:36pm PT
Hey F,

Pigeon hunt tomorrow. You in?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
exit polling showed millions did not vote for President Obama because he was "black"

I'd like to see some of those exit polls.

How about a couple of links?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
How about you act like an adult ?

Too lazy to figure out how Google wirks?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:51pm PT
Norton

Social climber

Jul 19, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
How about you act like an adult ?

Too lazy to figure out how Google wirks?

Nice backpedal.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:56pm PT
The Rude Pundit
RNC Day One: Random Observations on a Pathetic Parade
7/19/2016


2. The most appalling sight of the appalling evening was Pat Smith, mother of Sean Smith, who was killed in the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Smith has long been on a tear to get at some kind of truth for her child's death over what she claims she was told by Hillary Clinton at a memorial for her son, that an anti-Muslim video caused the attack. Frankly, it doesn't matter if it was an anti-Muslim video, a planned terrorist attack, or goats with guns. None of those would bring back her son, but, hey, f*#k that Hillary. So Trump had Smith go out and speak to the delegates, many of whom, probably drunk, started crying watching this obviously grieving and Valiumed to the gills woman try to make policy from her pain. Which was more disgusting is up for grabs. "I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son. That's personally," Smith said, as if Clinton had gone to Benghazi and put a bullet in her son's skull. But the bloodlust was rising as outrage grew among the idiot hordes on the floor, an outrage that never f*#king occurred at the Republican Convention in 2004 when the man who was president during the 9/11 attacks took the stage. Smith put a bow on it by saying, "Hillary for prison. She deserves to be in stripes." Then she turned around, confused, wondering where she should go, lost, with seemingly no one to guide her away.

2a. Oh, wait. The most disgusting thing was that Donald Trump called into Bill O'Reilly's Crematorium of Reality on Fox "news" at the same time as Smith's speech, which meant that he wasn't even watching it.

3. It doesn't f*#king matter if Melania Trump speaks six languages, as Trump lackeys kept telling us today. It doesn't f*#king matter that she spoke at the convention without shitting herself, as if that was the measure of quality. Part of her generally terrible, platitudinous, vacuous speech was plagiarized. Purely and simply, two paragraphs of it came from Michelle Obama's amazing 2008 convention speech. Using my crazy English professor skills, I know from plagiarism. If a student had written that in my class, I would make them scrap that paper and start from scratch as punishment. (Others would look to have the student drummed out or at least fail the class, but I'm not a dick.) And the Trump campaign, which shouldn't have pushed Ms. Trump to speak when she reportedly didn't want to, which should have anally probed the speech for problems no matter who wrote it, should just admit it f*#ked up and stop trying to bend the truth to its will. That's totalitarian bullsh#t, man. That's 2+2=5 and you're a traitor if you think otherwise.

3a. Bonus points to dunderheaded conservative commentator S.E. Cupp on CNN, who said of Melania Trump's speech, "I don't really see a bad ending to however this goes for her tonight." Punditry at its best.

4. But, honestly, the plagiarism is the least of the sins of the evening, which included parading out people whose loved ones were killed by undocumented immigrants. What the f*#k are we supposed to do with that? Oh, hey, how about countering with the undocumented man who saved a young girl from abduction? Or the one who helped save the life of a 9 year-old boy in an auto accident in the desert? Those are children who likely would have been dead or seriously harmed without the intervention of an undocumented immigrant. Should they speak at the Democratic convention? No, because this whole f*#king argument is dumb and besides the point. All Trump wanted to tell the idiot hordes on the floor and at home is that "illegal aliens" will f*#king murder you where you sit because they are naturally evil.

4a. Let's not even talk about Chachi.

5. No one represented the insane asylum that is the modern GOP more than former New York City mayor and man most likely to send back a half-eaten steak and claim it wasn't properly cooked, Rudy Giuliani. Gesturing wildly, screaming, and jumping around like a pug on PCP, Giuliani warned us that the country has become something it quite demonstrably has not. "The vast majority of Americans today do not feel safe. They fear for their children. They fear for themselves," he said, and the only response is "Motherf*#ker, we're only afraid because you keep telling us to be afraid. Crime is down, jobs are up, and more people can get medical care than ever. All the sh#t that's bad - income distribution, guns everywhere - that's on you Republican spoogerags." On and on Rudy went, in that man-cunt way of his, where everything is sh#t and Barack Obama is a fey demi-man who won't keep you safe and Hillary Clinton is a cold-blooded bitch who murders soldiers and only one man can save us from choking on our own vomit as we're raped by Muslims in our homes and that man is Donald Trump, who is qualified to do this because he got building plans past zoning commissions. Or something. F*#king ridiculous.

6. We've got three more days of this. Three more days of hearing about how Benghazi was the worst crime in the U.S. history. Three more days of people trying to tell us that a bloated pile of sh#t topped with orange cotton candy is the superhero American needs. As we wallow in the easily understood plagiarism nonsense, we can ignore the racism, the xenophobia, the misogyny, the hate, emanating from the convention center like a sh#t smell from a diaper.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:59pm PT
At this point in time it is more than likely that all the words that can possibly be said have been said in all the ways that they can possibly be said.

Actually that sentence was the last one
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:02pm PT
I don't know who has this so called "fear"

I sure don't

Republicans do, they are fearful by their very nature,
that's why they make lousy climbers, too fearful
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
Fear. Its what's for breakfast.

Hooray Media!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:12pm PT
Science prevails....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/math-melania-trump-plagiarism_us_578e66bbe4b04ca54ebef2b6?section=



DMT, did you chase Klimmer away?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:13pm PT
Overwatch chased Klimmer away

He was fed up of the bible thumper's for Trump meme
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:15pm PT
Happens here on this board with every major world event. Blame is often assigned before the dead bodies have even begun to cool.

Is this material for a Geico commercial? "If you're on ST, you assign blame before the bodies cool. That's what you do. If you want to save 15% on your car insurance. . . ."

John
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:22pm PT
DMT wrote: Did you nephilite today?


No, I'm having a conflict on what to be today, angel or demon?
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:26pm PT
It did get a little uncomfortable when Melania started talking about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton.....

Esco for the win today!

edit: Esco plagiarized that! Nothing is sacred.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:27pm PT
"You didn't write that" lol
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:32pm PT
DMT wrote: Did you nephilite today?


No, I'm having a conflict on what to be today, angel or demon?

Good one, Bob! It's both funny and demonstrates theological knowledge (though I'm not sure DMT got the singular of nephilim right -- mainly because I don't think I've ever seen the singular of nephilim used in a sentence before.)

John
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
DMT wrote: Did you nephilite today?

It sounds funny
But I don't get it
can you fill in the missing info please
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:37pm PT
Its a verb.

DMT

Are you sure it's not a mineral?

John
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:40pm PT
DMT wrote: Did you nephilite today?



Did you Klimmer today?

:-)
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
I doubt anything I could say would chase that guy away, he was nothing but determined
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:48pm PT
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:49pm PT
Cosmic,

I think your sister was in that class. ^^^^^^^^^^
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:55pm PT
Nephilites are a race of half breeds of angel and human, demons and humans, immortal beings which give morals the nudge to do heroic or demonic actions.

Genisis chapter 6 vs 4

4 In those days, and for some time after, giant Nephilites lived on the earth, for whenever the sons of God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient times.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 02:37pm PT
Love it!


Hillary Clinton is a cold-blooded bitch who murders soldiers and only one man can save us from choking on our own vomit as we're raped by Muslims in our homes and that man is Donald Trump, who is qualified to do this because he got building plans past zoning commissions.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
That's hilarious, Ken. Where did you find that?

John
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 02:59pm PT
JE
Burn!

That was from my post
The Rude Pundit
2 pages back

what? you didn't read it
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:02pm PT
Craig does occasionally have some first-rate links!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
Ya gotta admit that Boris Johnson's description of Hillary as a "sadistic nurse"
is pretty demeaning to nurses.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
For John

The Rude Pundit

**Your Disagreement with Ruth Bader Ginsburg Is Duly Noted;Now Go f*#k Yourselves**

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

Supreme Court Justice and noted kicker of asses Ruth Bader Ginsburg was asked point blank in an interview with the AP about the possibility of Donald Trump being elected president. "I don't want to think about that possibility, but if it should be, then everything is up for grabs," she responded. Holy f*#king shitballs, you'd've thought she said that she wants to shank Trump in an alley and laugh while he bleeds. Instead, she was referring quite clearly to the Supreme Court since the interview was about, well, sh#t, the Supreme Court.

In fact, when she was being interviewed a couple of days later by the New York Times, she clarified what a Trump victory could mean: "For the country, it could be four years. For the court, it could be — I don’t even want to contemplate that." She added that her now-deceased husband once said something that might be apropos: "Now it’s time for us to move to New Zealand."

And that was it. The universe collapsed into itself because a Supreme Court justice had an opinion about the future of the Supreme Court and, therefore, the country. Right Blogsylvania and Nutso Twitterati went ballistic, and, of course, Herr Trump had to tweet some goddamn thing. Then, God love her, Ginsburg was asked again about Trump on CNN on Monday, and she showed that she has run clean out of f*#ks to give when it comes to that walking, talking monkey dick of a man. She said, "He is a faker...He has no consistency about him. He says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He really has an ego." And she wondered where the f*#k his tax returns are before wiggling her pinkie and saying, "His dick must be sooo tiny." (Not really, but that would have been awesome.)

Major news organizations have been scolding Ginsburg, apparently forgetting that Antonin Scalia routinely raked President Obama and his administration over the coals in very personal terms in his rantingly mad opinions and in oral arguments. This is not to mention Samuel "Rollin' Eyes" Alito mouthing, "Not true" during the 2010 State of the Union address. The Times nags, "Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg needs to drop the political punditry and the name-calling." The Washington Post piled on, "Justice Ginsburg’s off-the-cuff remarks about the campaign fall into that limited category of candor that we can’t admire, because it’s inconsistent with her function in our democratic system." Fox "news" has a piece that helpfully informs us that you need to impeach a justice to remove her.

That's great, gang. Now go f*#k yourselves. Why do you think Ginsburg chose to enter this fray? She could have very easily demurred on the questions, slapped away the bait and swam on.

Maybe, just maybe it's because someone who is now on her third president while in the Supreme Court, who kept her opinions to the issues at the bench during the reign of George W. Bush, who was pals with the vile conservative Antonin Scalia, knows when something is so f*#king evil and awful that you are doing harm by being silent. Maybe, just maybe she doesn't want the Court to be filled with boobs and buffoons and Alitos and Thomases, all there to do the bidding of their Trumpish overlord. Maybe she sees her role as a guardian of democracy and doesn't want to see it undermined, that an extraordinary election calls for an extraordinary response. Or perhaps the Court is as much a political entity as any other, as Republicans are demonstrating quite clearly in not even allowing a hearing and a vote on the nomination of Merrick Garland because of some bullshit new rule they pulled out of their asses.

So Ginsburg is being open and honest as a goddamned warning to the nation: This is a dangerous path. Here there be monstrous decisions that will devour your children. Turn back while you still have the chance, America.

Frankly, it's heroic of her in this age of nonstop ragegasms in social and other media to insist that we have some f*#kin' standards as a nation. Ginsburg is the knight and our stupidity is the dragon. Slay away.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:27pm PT
WA Post:

First, there was the intrigue of Trump’s 11th-hour waffling over one of the most important decisions that any presidential candidate has to make.

Then came the formal vice-presidential unveiling itself, at a bizarre event dominated by Trump’s stream-of-consciousness ramblings about Clinton, his Republican primary battles and a host of issues that seemed to have little to do with Pence, who stood offstage.

Even the atmospherics were off, with dim lighting and the strange choice of the Rolling Stones’ “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” as the music to which Trump entered the event.

I can't believe they would have done that. Unreal!
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:33pm PT
Fear is something born in childhood, based on the circumstances of how we are raised, the values we absorb from our parents, who by definition become our perfect examples of what it means to love, to relate to other humans... if that model is messed up it takes a lot of unlearning to get over it. People don't usually change in these fundamental elements of their identity unless they are very smart and courageous have some major event or access to information that motivates them to reflect and change. Even then it is difficult.


People who are afraid of losing power, jobs, security, familiar ways of life... these people need reassurance, not someone to tell them how stupid they are. Expressing outrage and belittling these people is just going to make them more entrenched in their fear-based position.

It makes them more vulnerable to manipulators like Trump who create an illusion of safety and familiar status quo and power, built by unifying a community around blaming targeted groups, e.g. immigrants, minorities, women, atheists, ....

So die-hard Democrats should consider the role they have in shaping the environment where the unthinkable President Trump is possible.

(edit, I added:)We live in an age where Truth matters less than how a candidate makes people feel in the short term.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:34pm PT
Don't forget Guyman

I'm worried that if Trump wins, they will have to shut down Stoney Point due to lack of city funds after the Porn Industry craters.
That's what the City is known for, the "Porn Capital of the World"

What will all those Stoney Repubs do w/o their local sand box to play in?

Making Porn illegal is on the Top of the GOP Platform,
it's listed before the Wall
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
People who are afraid of losing power, jobs, security, familiar ways of life... these people need reassurance, not someone to tell them how stupid they are. Expressing outrage and belittling these people is just going to make them more entrenched in their fear-based position.

It makes them more vulnerable to manipulators like Trump who create an illusion of safety and familiar status quo and power, built by unifying a community around blaming targeted groups, e.g. immigrants, minorities, women, atheists, ....

So die-hard Democrats should consider the role they have in shaping the environment where the unthinkable President Trump is possible.

This is so true, and one of the major reasons that the Repubs remain competitive at so many levels, when they should not. They understand the messaging, the democrats do not.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:46pm PT
Check it out! The neocons are already planning a coup if Trump wins!
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kirchick-trump-coup-20160719-snap-story.html

From the Foreign Policy Initiative:
Americans viewing the recent failed coup attempt in Turkey as some exotic foreign news story -- the latest, violent yet hardly unusual political development to occur in a region constantly beset by turmoil -- should pause to consider that the prospect of similar instability would not be unfathomable in this country if Donald Trump were to win the presidency.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:54pm PT
They will plan a coup if Hillary wins as well

Nothing will make them happy, except maybe Satan in the flesh

that is, as long as he isn't Ted Cruz
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
So die-hard Democrats should consider the role they have in shaping the environment where the unthinkable President Trump is possible.

ok, I have to admit that I have no idea what the above means, someone help me

how in the world did "die-hard Democrats" enable or somehow have anything to do with the REPUBLICAN BASE voting for Trump in the Primaries?

how did Democrats, and not a long list of Republican policies and statements give rise to the Tea Party and now Donald Trump?

gee and I this time I thought it was Republicans who created and fostered the atmosphere that allowed an ignorant, racist, prick like Trump to become their nominee

so, so help me out, how did Democrats enable the coming of Trump?
F

climber
away from the ground
Jul 19, 2016 - 04:23pm PT



Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho

Jul 19, 2016 - 12:36pm PT
Hey F,

Pigeon hunt tomorrow. You in?

Sorry, sugar tits, I can't make it.
I'm going to climb some sweet granite splitters in the sunshine with my beautiful woman.
Remember when you used to go climbing?
You know, before you became a one man internet army defending us from the scourge of hypothetical tyranny that is sure to befall civilization any second now?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 04:24pm PT
I have to admit that I have no idea what the above means

What a surprise.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 04:52pm PT
I think Bob and most other Dems are really in a bad place. Look at Bob's last post!

ReallY? Melania is going for a tranny vote of something? The LGBT thing?

I don't think so.

Political correctness is the 'eye of the beholder'. When you alter the way you have to view things. it alters all. You lose you're mind. Reality becomes unreal. Bizarre political correctness becomes the norm and reality is suspended. Most people ARE NOT politically correct. Even here in Calif.

But they've been beaten down pretty hard by Gavin, Jerry, Kamala, and the cabal of ultra-leftists killing Calif.

The libs have lost it. But I think it will get much worse. The desperation phase has not been seen yet.

It will be embarrassing. To themselves.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:12pm PT
Remember that Iraqi propaganda minister who denied Baghdad was being attacked even though we could hear gunfire in the background?

The doubled-down stupidity of the GOP denials flying in the face of the blatant fact that those lines were copied from someone else's speech reminds me of that guy.

I wasn't particularly concerned about the "plagiarism", it was amusing that she copied lines about integrity from someone else but it's not as if she was writing a PhD thesis or claiming credit for someone else's work, I wouldn't expect anyone to write such a speech without help. The complete and utter disconnect from reality of GOP operatives and supporters is by far the most troubling aspect of this.

TE
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
Mitch McConeell is speaking.

I'm going to go puke real fast, I'll be back....

Trump-haters can go f*#k off. That includes McConnell. But not Ryan. Paul is not that stupid, but prolly just knows where the bread is buttered in the future.

Trump, and conservatives like me, not Republicans, have taken names and we will remember where everybody stood on this side of the aisle.

Not in an aggressive way. But you have lost credibility. Either unite behind Trump, or become a Democrat. You are damaging the country with your "pure conscience".

You think you're the only one with conservative values and morals??? I choose somebody who selects a conservative team to guide him.

Cruz lost, man! It' over. If the stupid conscientious Cruz people would help Trump, they may get half of their platform. Is that good enough?

No. The cruz people are the ones killing the Repub party. Them and all the old hacks. The Roves, Bushes, and the rest...

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
I wasn't particularly concerned about the "plagiarism", it was amusing that she copied lines about integrity from someone else but it's not as if she was writing a PhD thesis or claiming credit for someone else's work, I wouldn't expect anyone to write such a speech without help. The complete and utter disconnect from reality of GOP operatives and supporters is by far the most troubling aspect of this.

Yep, yep, yep!!! The speech writers should be fired!!! I can guarantee you Melania didn't write that, but was told that "this is good for you and the whole immigrant thing".

She's a solid gal, I can tell. She got f*#ked by speechwriters. I can also tell you that DJ prolly didn't go easy on those guys, "the way we used to handle this thing".

So stupid a mistake. They didn't run that speech through a plager-check APP or something? Or it was a mole. Still sucks. Bad vetting. Yer fired!
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:34pm PT
The Republican Party is the dead rat on the kitchen floor.

The only question is who will pick it up by the tail and throw it in the trash.



Bonus points if you can figure out the last time that line was used.

No cheating.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:37pm PT
I don't care, Lorenzo. What do base you analysis on, Melanias's speech? It's funny you don't say that about Hillary and the Dems after her verbal indightment by the FBI.

What signified the death of the Republican party, IYO? Don't play games, be clear.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:40pm PT
strange isn't this?

Melania Trump says she, not a speechwriter, wrote her speech, with a little bit of help

Hours before giving a speech at the Republican National Convention that has drawn charges of plagiarism, Melania Trump told TODAY she penned the address herself with very little help.

"I read it once over, and that's all because I wrote it with as little help as possible,'' she told TODAY's Matt Lauer in an exclusive interview on Monday.
\\

should someone be required to proofread her stuff to make sure she did not steal it?

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:46pm PT
should someone be required to proofread her stuff to make sure she did not steal it?

Yes. She is not use to what happens when you write a speech after looking at other speeches online.

Somebody should have been on this. I don't think it;s a huge injustice, but it's a bit sloppy.

I do not blame Melania. I blame Donald. He should have had hawks looking over her speech.

But then, he'd be called a "misogynist" again for not letting his lady speak her mind freely.

No win. Minor mistake. Nothing to see here, the Dems are reaching for trash....picking up garbage. Who said that???? No cheating either, because this apparently makes me look smarter than you? Guess away.


EDIT:
Political suicide by tea poisoning.

I love this. Tea-party dead? Tea party ruined the conservative movement....

You are blind, Johnson. The party started this deal, but it's getting more momentum now. And it's not an organized bunch of Tea-Party activists.

It's ordinary people who are starting to joing the Tea Partiers, they just don't know it because of f*#king ASSHOLES like you paint all Tea-Partiers as racist, white pricks.

This was the strategy with Trump too. Paint all his supporters as racist white people.

You will lose. Americans are not as stupid, or racist, as you think. They just want to work, buy houses, and raise families. In freedom.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:58pm PT
Read my previous post, previous page...
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:04pm PT
I do not blame Melania. I blame Donald. He should have had hawks looking over her speech.

But then, he'd be called a "misogynist" again for not letting his lady speak her mind freely.

No win. Minor mistake.

You are missing the point. The plagiarism wasn't a big deal, it was either naive incompetence if she wrote it herself, or incompetence or malicious subversion by a speechwriter if she didn't. Having swarms of GOP spokespersons denying that it was plagiarism isn't a momentary honest human mistake, it's emblematic of the Trump campaign and republican party approach to everything. DENY, DENY, DENY. LIE, LIE, LIE.

TE
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:07pm PT
Trump, and conservatives like me, not Republicans, have taken names and we will remember where everybody stood on this side of the aisle.

What? Are they going to be lined up against a wall?
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
Awful lot of heads exploding today.....
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
I just turned it on

and it was Mitch McConnell from the intro

I almost puked, just like my bro bluring
It was too much

I turned it back to Simpsons/South Park for regrounding
I will check the high lights later


I didn't include these on my most evil list posted yesterday
so the new list includes:
Mitch McConnell
Paul Ryan
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:25pm PT
lol.

In General,really...
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:27pm PT
Plaigerism? Oh my sweet Lord! (Sorry, that was bad)
The response by the professional Trump team has been pure Clintonian:
deny, dissemble, lie, and complain of gotchas by the media.
Con men are gonna con.

I hope that duck dynasty dude gets to be secretary of the interior

LMAO
Some funny pictures from several here today.
The jokes seem to write themselves.

Read something today along the lines of:
Maybe the plagiarism was intentional.
If the copied phrase wasn't noticed, nothing happens.
If the copied phrase was noticed,
it would lead to constant images of Melania on your screen.
Side-by-side youtube clips and pictures of Melania and Michelle.
The more images, the more they are associated with each other.


PS: George Harrison is still my favorite Beatle.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:28pm PT
lol...



Lennon.


Plaigerism......lol
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
"What signified the death of the Republican party, IYO? Don't play games, be clear."


Look in the mirror. It is the extremists like you that have taken over the party. Good riddance.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:16pm PT
Go donald trump JR...



I can relate were same generation..how kool..
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
Apparently DT Jr's extensive experience with being an 'average American' has led him to believe that one 'hangs concrete and pours sheetrock'.

Insert: DT Jr pic of him holding an amputated elephant's trunk, hoping he could have it sewn on to his body to make up for his inadequate manhood....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
Don King is a Trumpster?

Who'd a thunk it. On the other hand, a shuckster loves a good shuckster...
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:42pm PT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:52pm PT
Hey there's no film more apropos to this political time than The American President (1995). I was blown away at some of the pertinences, relevancies and parallelisms. Watch it (again?), see for yourself.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA