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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 12, 2016 - 08:10pm PT
We gotta post somewhere....



Bernie endorsed Clinton (weakly?).
Trump turned down an invitation to talk to the NAACP.



Please don't be dicks.
Werner....don't bother ducking in here (get it?)





Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 12, 2016 - 08:16pm PT
We gotta post somewhere....

Why?
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 12, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 12, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
Petty thief and ass_hole who could surf.

Compare e.g. with Lopez.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:26am PT
What happened to the other Politipocalypse thread?

Did it get the chop from the Mods? Or nuked?


It's interesting how the polititard traffic dropped off after the 'Ready for..?' threads got whacked...even with the resurrection of the Politipocalypse thread, it just didn't get as much action.

I'm sure the mods were happy about that. That's fine- it's their place, after all.

But maybe this thread needs a title that is more catchy...inflammatory...

How about 'Trumpocalypse 2016' ?
couchmaster

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:35am PT

As the moderators locked that thread, why restart a new one? Are we just trying to piss them off? Can't we just stop this kind of stuff and talk climbing?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:39am PT
Cataracts are the third leading cause of blindness, the top two are politics and religion.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:39am PT
Why indeed.
Don't you people have something better to do? Jobs? Families? Hobbies? Do you really enjoy spending your entire day posting here, arguing back and forth, calling each other names?

Get a life.
couchmaster

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:41am PT


^^^LOL^^^
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:42am PT
We post at Work!

you guys haven't figured that out yet

we are bored as hell and want to talk to our buddies and debate current issues

what could be so wrong about that?

I'm sitting at an f-ing desk, with piles of work surrounding me

and I want to take a quick diversion every so often and post to ST.

believe me, I need diversions every 10 minutes or so.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:44am PT
sorry, no time to post a WOT, I promised myself I would reorganize my thimble collection today.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 10:56am PT
You people are easily offended.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 13, 2016 - 11:13am PT
"Seems like the Mods are trying
to quash our 1st amendment rights."


Ummm...it's a privately owned website, folks. They can do with it as they like.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 13, 2016 - 12:08pm PT
I'm with craig
beats drinking too much coffee and it is more efficient

Hear, hear!

John
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 12:15pm PT
Ummm...it's a privately owned website, folks. They can do with it as they like.

Sarcasm: learn it, know it, live it.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
He's playing in the sprinkler in the back yard.....want me to ask him?
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 13, 2016 - 01:37pm PT
Before this thread is nuked and we meet on the "What Song are you listening to right now" climbing thread, you have to watch GW Bush tearing it up in Dallas yesterday.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:06pm PT
That guy dancing was our fearless leader, still the worst president ever.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:07pm PT
still the worst president ever.

Only for another couple months....
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:10pm PT
Some Republicans say they don't support Trump

I say most of them are liars, they may not like him, but they will vote for him, which equals support no matter how you define it.

Poll: Trump leads Clinton in Florida; too close to call in Ohio, Pennsylvania

Now I'm getting scared..
Trump is pulling ahead in some very important States.

If Trump wins I will never forgive all the whiny liberals that wouldn't vote for Hillary because they are too pure of heart or whatever

so in other words you don't care who wins and when Trump wins it will because of people like you that Don't Care enough to do the right thing.


And all these loser liberals site right wing smear misinformation as their reason to Hate Hillary!

Is what she did worse than having a Fascist dictator as President?
No. not even close
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:13pm PT
History will treat Obama well unlike his predecessor. He labored against a hostile congress fueled by more than a tint of racisim and still accomplished a lot.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
I would not put much credibility in those new couple of swing state polls.

Just last week Hillary had solid leads in almost all of the swing states.

Polling itself is both science and art

it cannot filter for Turnout especially with four more months to go.

Polls sample very few people, only a couple thousand in what is considered a "good" poll.

And then those numbers are filtered for:

1) are they Likely Voters, as in did they vote in the 2012 election or not?

2) are they actually currently Registered Voters in their State?

3) do they identify with a particular Political Party or not?

4) Are they men or women, women strongly vote more reliably than men

5) Are they White, Black, Latino, etc - each group has different loyalties

6) age - young very poor record of turning out to vote, older very good turnout

the difficulty for pollsters is guessing how to filter a sample for those variables
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:25pm PT
still the worst president ever.

Only for another couple months....

Your wrong Essy, Trump will not get elected.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:31pm PT
the difficulty for pollsters is guessing how to filter a sample for those variables

In addition, a lot can happen between now and then. The "tracking polls," that measure the trend but don't purport to measure the level with the same accuracy, may actually be more valuable.

I see this election, now, as particularly difficult because there are so many wild cards in the mix. It reminds me of my first experience as an economic forecaster in 1973 when I got out of college. The textbooks on econometric models had nothing about wage and price controls, Arab oil embargoes, or 12% prime rates (although the late 1970's made those seem mild).

I would love to know how predicable the political scientists find this presidential election. If nothing else, I suspect the polls' stated confidence intervals understate the uncertainty.

John
John M

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:43pm PT


If Trump wins I will never forgive all the whiny liberals that wouldn't vote for Hillary because they are too pure of heart or whatever

and they will likely be pissed at you for not paying attention when they said that they had serious problems with Hillary. But no.. people like you went.. la la la.. shut up and get in line.. Hillary will definitely win.la la la.. I can't hear you.. la la la Hillary will win.

And NOW you are worried !!!!!

talk about head in the sand. I tried to warn people on this thread that there was a fairly large group of liberals who wouldn't vote for Hillary, but you all went.. naw.. Hillary will stomp Trump..and then you blasted me, though mostly what I was trying to do was warn you.

this is no different then the republican party not listening to a large percentage of its party.

Crankaloons dominate both the republican party and the democrat party. They just don't listen. And then when people don't follow their plan, they blame them and they never take a look at their part in things. Good luck with that. Hopefully you won't need it. But I still hear of people who won't vote for Hillary. Funny thing is though, I hear of republicans who will. So maybe the hated republicans will save you. Wouldn't that be ironic..


so go ahead.. don't forgive them... and what is happening to the republican party will happen to the dems.. way too funny. Ya'll were so sure of yourselves six months ago.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 02:54pm PT
The problem is that Bernie isn't really electable in a general election, and no other prominent and electable center left politician stepped up to challenge Hillary.
John M

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
and no other prominent and electable center left politician stepped up to challenge Hillary.

and why would they when they run into the kind of partisanship that exists now? I was attacked for saying that I "might" not vote for Hillary. By my own party. Who would want to belong to that party? Or try to represent it.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
Bernie got a taste of unexpected fame and it went to his head. Imagine, thousands of college students thinking an aging politico from Vermont was god. Kind of reminds me of Nader. Fame corrupts and absolute fame corrupts absolutely.
I'm in line with Locker about Hillary.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:05pm PT
Stop the Bernie talk

He has never ever been fully vetted in the press

Go read his Wikipedia page about his youthful quasi Communist joining

Stamp out thinking Bernie could win the General
John M

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
Fame corrupts and absolute fame corrupts absolutely.

so then you are saying that Hillary is corrupt. And you are fine voting for a corrupt person.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:10pm PT
so then you are saying that Hillary is corrupt. And you are fine voting for a corrupt person.

John, I think we're stuck voting for imperfect people. I know if I must choose between Trump and Clinton, I'd rather have a smart [insert your pejorative of choice (e.g. "crook," "jerk," "corrupted person," etc.)] than a dumb one, so I'd vote for her. Since California almost certainly will never go for Trump, I may be able to salve my conscience by voting for a climber (i.e. Johnson/Weld), but only if Trump has no chance in this state. The potential damage he would do as POTUS simply gives me no other choice.

John
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:12pm PT
Your wrong Essy, Trump will not get elected.

Clearly, the comment went over your head. I could care less if Trump keeled over tomorrow.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:14pm PT
The problem with Bernie is he's not a democrat and doesn't represent the democratic party. That's why he lost.

I agree with your point but that does not really address what I was getting at.

The problem, which i did not state clearly, is that both Bernie and hillary are flawed candidates. I think Hillary is more electable than Bernie for reasons Norton alludes to above but it is far from certain. It would have been nice if a viable third alternative (I.e., not Martin O'Malley) emerged in the primaries but that didn't happen. Just because Hillary has her electability problems doesn't mean that Bernie was a better choice.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
Ass kissing is one of humankind's most ingrained behavioral responses....it flows unimpeded thru all nations, cultures, and ethnic and socioeconomic groups.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:33pm PT
and they will likely be pissed at you for not paying attention when they said that they had serious problems with Hillary. But no.. people like you went.. la la la.. shut up and get in line.. Hillary will definitely win.la la la.. I can't hear you.. la la la Hillary will win.

WRONG
I was paying attention, and
I did not say anything of the sort

I said you have to vote for the Primary winner
who ever they may be

I didn't pick Hillary, I'm not responsible for her winning all those votes
I knew she had problems
But there wasn't any others to pick from, no saviors from Heaven came this time to save our Party

so give up your Blame game on us,
This is reality, Hillary won

Now you have to vote for her, is it really that hard?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:38pm PT
Lastly, no one gives a sh#t what collage aged kids think, not even the collage kids.

very true, because their turn out when called to vote is absolutely terrible

between hitting on the bong pipe and taking another Underwater Basket Weaving class

there just is not enough time in the day to actually vote....
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:49pm PT
John M, Bernie supports Hillary for president, haven't you heard? And it's not white men like me who gave her the nomination by almost 4 million votes, it was minority voters, especially women. Do yourself a favor...seek out a group of them sometime and ask them why they didn't vote for Bernie. You might learn something interesting.

Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 03:58pm PT
Cosmic!

and here I figured you were all done posting on the political threads from what you said about them?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:02pm PT
The Obstructionist do-nothing Congress should be impeached

Now they are going after Lynch??
Will they ever stop being a-holes?

Why don't they do something good for once?
They are in power, they could do so many great things, but instead they waste time and money on political witch hunts, the definition of pure evil.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:08pm PT
After nearly 25 years of fruitless Clinton persecutions, we should not expect anything different.

Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:10pm PT
More Proof That Obama Is Secretly a Muslim Terrorist Sympathizer


A news agency linked to so-called Islamic State has confirmed the death of key leader Omar Shishani, who the US said it killed in March.

The Amaq news agency said Shishani was killed in combat in the town of Shirqat, south of Mosul in Iraq.

The Pentagon said in March he had died from injuries sustained in a US air strike in north-eastern Syria.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:29pm PT
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
So the 'Ready for Hillary' thread was locked. What a shame.

Bill Maher on Hardball for the whole hour today.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 04:37pm PT

"If you want to live like a Republican vote Democrat."

...

Hey are you a liberal perchance and against GMO's? If so, help with quality control and get informed.

The war against genetically modified organisms is full of fearmongering, errors, and fraud. Labeling them will not make you safer.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html?wpsrc=sh_all_tab_tw_top

Shocking history of fraud by Greenpeace in fanatical campaign against GMOs - worse than climate change deniers.


....


"If anybody's always telling liberals they have spinach on their teeth it's me." -Bill Maher
pb

Sport climber
Sonora Ca
Jul 13, 2016 - 05:10pm PT
4 horsemen of the politopocalypse: god, guns, gri-gris, & the GOP
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 13, 2016 - 05:13pm PT
Gonna be fun next week...

Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
*Remarks by Sarah Palin and Willie Robertson of DUCK DYNASTY

how cool is the Republican Convention going to be oh my!!!
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 13, 2016 - 05:34pm PT
Stop the Bernie talk

He has never ever been fully vetted in the press

Oh my!

Go read his Wikipedia page about his youthful quasi Communist joining

That's why I wanted to vote for him, unfortunately I'm not registered as a Democrat.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 13, 2016 - 05:57pm PT
"Sarcasm: learn it, know it, live it."


Dude, that only applies when the statement was applied sarcastically.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:08pm PT
Gary,lol.

Look,now we are worried.

Trump will not win.

When you talk of Bernie,spell college correct ,is that to much to ask.

23 states have been waiting all their life to vote for a populist like Bernie .

I look at it like if Hillary did not run ,Bernie would have won by a huge landslide.

You moderates are going to step aside soon ,the millennials are going to run this country and that will be sooner than you think.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
You do not have to a registered Dem, or Repub to vote

You can write in anybody

Edit: over 3 million more voted for Clinton than Sanders

Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
Had me fooled until Rob Ford. Definitely the dream program!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:40pm PT
Norton ,you do not know vote totals from caucus states.

I will give you 3 million in primary states,but that is disingenuous.


Buffalo and Rochester are 3 million people,for context.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:43pm PT
Had to bust you.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
oops

thanks for catching that error, WIlber

Clinton beat Sanders by over 3.5 million votes in the Primaries

but Bernie did give a really good endorsement of her the other day, I thought it was great
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:55pm PT
Are you sure the mods here approve of that, there,Jim?.......lol.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 06:58pm PT

Check it out.

"White Boy Privilege"

[Click to View YouTube Video]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Q1jZ-LOT0
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:14pm PT
Never have so few been so on and on about so little to so little avail, ever.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:17pm PT
Never have so few been so on and on about so little with so little avail, ever.

so true, Wade

and doubtful the wheel is being reinvented on any of the other supertopo threads either
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:43pm PT
You’ve sometimes expressed thoughts about the culture in which we live. For example, in Lee v. Weisman you wrote that we indeed live in a vulgar age. What do you think accounts for our present civic vulgarity?

Gee, I don’t know. I occasionally watch movies or television shows in which the f-word is used constantly, not by the criminal class but by supposedly elegant, well-educated, well-to-do people. The society I move in doesn’t behave that way. Who imagines this? Maybe here in California. I don’t know, you guys really talk this way?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:44pm PT



Q. How would you characterize the role of the Supreme Court in American society, now that you’ve been a part of it for 24 years?

I think it’s a highly respected institution. It was when I came, and I don’t think I’ve destroyed it. I’ve been impressed that even when we come out with opinions that are highly unpopular or even highly-what should I say-emotion raising, the people accept them, as they should. The one that comes most to mind is the election case of Bush v. Gore. Nobody on the Court liked to wade into that controversy. But there was certainly no way that we could turn down the petition for certiorari. What are you going to say? The case isn’t important enough? And I think that the public ultimately realized that we had to take the case. … I was very, very proud of the way the Court’s reputation survived that, even though there are a lot of people who are probably still mad about it.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:50pm PT
As the National Law journal reports, in the last term, Justice Samuel Alito recused himself from a Coca-Cola case because he owned stock in the company. Several days before the case, Alito unrecused himself after selling off his stock.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
I was very, very proud of the way the Court’s reputation survived that, even though there are a lot of people who are probably still mad about it.

gee, the only people mad about are that are those who felt the Florida recounts should continue on until an absolute verified winner of the state's Elector Votes would determine the next US President instead of the Supreme Court making the arbitrary decision to stop the counting and award the Presidency to George Bush.

Yes counting chads is part of democracy being ugly but letting a divided court determine the Presidency instead was, imo, the worst decision is court history
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
2013 Majority of Supreme Court members millionaires

At least five and perhaps as many as eight of the nine members of the U.S. Supreme Court are millionaires according to recently released financial disclosures, and only two hold any consumer debt.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 13, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 13, 2016 - 08:19pm PT
Wouldn't it be sweet if they opened the Republicrat convention by playing that scanners clip up on the big screen?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 13, 2016 - 08:26pm PT
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are both running against the only person they could possibly beat.





Ltfol.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 13, 2016 - 08:30pm PT
This whole 'locked thread' idea is funny.

I mean, the primary reason it came about is to reduce the political OT threads on ST. I can understand why CMac & Co. would want to do that, but this strategy clearly doesn't work.

It's not like there is any good reason to archive such threads by 'locking' them. Why not just nuke the f*#king things altogether?

Maybe there's a reason that isn't obvious to this mere ST user.

Bottom line is these kinds of OT threads are gonna happen. Far better to have them consolidated in fewer (preferably, one) threads, rather than spread across the site (i.e. the 'Ready for...' threads).

But again, perhaps there're other considerations in this I'm not privy to.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 13, 2016 - 09:10pm PT
You do not have to a registered Dem, or Repub to vote

To vote in the California primary for Sanders I would have had to switch registration, didn't want to do that.

You can write in anybody

No need to, I'm voting for Gloria La Riva.

This will be about the 4th time I voted for a ticket with a woman on it. The first time was when Angela Davis ran for VP on the CPUSA ticket.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:47am PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 14, 2016 - 07:33am PT
PotatoHead isn't Ron or Rokjox

Fritz knows him

He just comes on once in while to spew his vial hate.
He's shut down a bunch of threads, or the OP deleted them after he brought the thread down to level of sh#t throwing

He lies without hesitation, at first he told us that he was Political Science Teacher at some College, and was using my posts in his class for hysteria.

Then he was an engineer, then we find out he works some night shift

He comes on late at night when no will challenge him, or has the energy to get in a debate with another Chief.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 10:54am PT
Yeah, Mike Pence will surely broaden the trump coalition.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 14, 2016 - 11:19am PT
Mike Pence has been a disaster for Indiana.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 11:48am PT
The Mexicans did a CT scan of my brain after almost drowning and it looked like your picture.

About ten years ago, when a severe bout of depression threatened my legal career, my physician and the State Bar suggested that I see a neurologist to make sure I wasn't affected by, e.g., a brain tumor. The neurologist had a CT scan done. After reviewing the results, my physician said "the CT scan showed some brain atrophy, but I wouldn't worry about that."

Try dealing with all the possible implications of that statement.

;>)

John
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 11:55am PT
Pew reported that Clinton is leading Trump among Catholic voters,

and Trump is partially to blame – much of the demographic that is supporting her are Latino Catholics, which Trump has insulted and offended throughout his campaign:

Currently, Clinton also holds a 17-point advantage among Catholic registered voters, driven largely by overwhelming support for Clinton among Latino Catholics. By contrast, at a similar point in the 2012 campaign, Catholics were closely divided between support for Obama (49%) and Romney (47%). Exit polls conducted on Election Day in 2012 found that Catholics ultimately split their votes between Obama (50%) and Romney (48%).

Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:07pm PT
... my physician said "the CT scan showed some brain atrophy,

Well, John, that supports my hypothesis about why people vote Republican! :-) Although I'm probably the poster child for brain atrophy. Or is it brain apathy? Who cares.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:12pm PT
Gary,

I've been laughing about that diagnosis for ten years, as I continue to prove its truth. I have a charger for my phone in my office, and a habit of forgetting the phone there. Consequently, I have an idiot sign reminding me of the phone on my monitor, on the light switch in my office, by the office door, and taped next to the grearshift in my car (saying, with due reagrd for the 1992 presidential campaign, "It's the phone, stupid!").

I still sometimes forget the phone in the office.

John
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
I was wrong.

One of my initial thoughts about pence was that unlike trump, at least he isn't bonkers,

Nope, he's bonkers, I was wrong. Earlier this year he signed a bill requiring funerals for fetuses.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/14/12190380/mike-pence-trump-vice-president-abortion-funerals-fetuses
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:28pm PT
oddly enough

just three months ago Pence said he would support Ted Cruz over The Donald

oh how fleeting is loyalty

but given Pence's dismal approval rating as governor in Indiana, his re election would be tough

better to have 15 minutes of fame as another Sarah
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:42pm PT
Crankster, Norton, Dirtbag, Apogee... who do you guys want to see fro Hillary's VP? Anyone have a fave yet?


Kaine, Warren, Booker or Sanders?



Newsom?!!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
Warren, but it probably ain't gonna happen.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
HFCS, I'd like to see Warren. But, I'm guessing it's Kaine.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:35pm PT
So far, it looks like we are all in agreement. Warren.

Booker's probably my second choice.

Newsom would be my first. And it would groom him for the Presidency in eight years. Very surprised few are pushing him.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:38pm PT
not Warren as I feel an all female ticket would suppress the male vote even more than Hillary alone will

otherwise for her VP, someone who can destroy both Donald and his VP pick in the press every day and during the VP debate

we got this, please join me in calming liberal angst but without suppressing the vote
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:38pm PT
Huh. Interesting choice, I remember you mentioning Newsom earlier. He needs to find another job. Lt. Governor is 1000x duller than veep.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:46pm PT
dirtbag, he's already got a team and he's shooting to be the next CA gov. However, he's brilliant and brilliantly liberal so I wish (1) his aim was higher and (2) Dems would encourage him / it. But for some reason it hasn't happened.

Looking ahead eight years, I'd prefer Booker to Kaine.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:47pm PT
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/02/05/attention-gop-colin-powell-says-he-agrees-with-hillary-clinton-on-classified-emails/
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 01:54pm PT
The base considers Powell to be a RINO so they don't care.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:12pm PT
The repug base may think that of Powell, but that is not true of Americans in general, who really like the guy.

In fact, in this survey of many public political figures, he has the highest ranking of any: Favorable 77%, Unfav 20%


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/favorables/major_political_figures
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
Hillary should pick a moderate repug, just to mess with Chump's head
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:24pm PT
Sandra Day O'Connor came under fire in 2000 after she was overheard saying "this is terrible" at an election night party when it appeared that Democrat Al Gore had won. The moderately conservative justice's husband consequently told guests that she wanted to retire but wasn't willing to do so if it meant her successor would be appointed by a Democratic president. O'Connor then famously became the fifth Supreme Court vote to install George W. Bush as president.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:27pm PT
So one down and one to go. Trump Pence

Mostly, I liked Powell and still do. He was a team player put in an awful situation. I would have voted for him for pres if he ran...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
I'd have voted for him, too.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:30pm PT
It's a bit different to privately state "this is terrible" vs. publicly and repeatedly criticizing a presidential nominee.

I wish Ginsburg had zipped it. If there is a president trump or ( G-d help us) a Gore v Bush type situation those words will haunt her.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:32pm PT
Yes, she should not have said anything. But she is only human like the rest of us and made a mistake then did her best to correct it. Genie's already out of the bottle tho...
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:35pm PT
Yep^^^*
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
The boys get away with sh#t all the time, Washington is a big old white boys club, they fecking hate women like HRC, Warren and Ginsberg.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:43pm PT
Trump predictably overplayed it too by saying "her mind is shot."
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:48pm PT

The base considers Powell to be a RINO so they don't care.

this has the ring of truth to it.

The repug base may think that of Powell, but that is not true of Americans in general, who really like the guy.

Did any of you read what Powell said?

He was referring to the retroactively classified e-mails. His point wasn't about the "110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received".
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
"He was referring to the retroactively classified e-mails. His point wasn't about the "110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received".


Yes I did read it and prove it that they were marked in a header as classified.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 02:58pm PT
Eddy T..."Comey told the committee Clinton may not have had sufficiently sophisticated understanding to know the emails that passed through her personal server were classified. Only three of the 30,000 FBI-reviewed emails were explicitly** marked as classified and those were marked with a “C” in the body of the email, not in the header, Comey said.

Comey said his FBI team had conducted its investigation of Clinton “in an apolitical and professional way” and he had no reason to believe she had lied to the FBI. Clinton had said publicly she never sent or received any classified information.**


Move on, try to find something else to hit her with.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:01pm PT
The latest CBS/NYT poll has Clinton and Trump tied going into conventions.

Heading into the two parties' conventions, the race for President is a dead heat, a change from last month when Hillary Clinton led by six points. Forty percent of registered voters now say they will back Clinton (a dip of three points), while 40 percent will vote for Trump (a bump up of three points). A month ago, Clinton led Trump 43 to 37 percent.

How could this happen?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:05pm PT
Yes I did read it and prove it that they were marked in a header as classified.

actually there is supposed to be a prominent "C" in the topic heading to designate that an email was Classified

from my reading of the FBI's report none of the emails had that marking but instead the marking was within the body or context of the chain of individual emails

anyone who honestly has thought this through and still thinks it is a big deal simply is opposed to the idea of a female or a Democratic candidate for President in the first place

and based on the many many posts on all the supertopo threads we all know who the whining little bitches about this are
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
Move on, try to find something else to hit her with.

You brought it up. I pointed out how it was misleading.

Now, you're splitting hairs... and implying I'm the one dredging up old news. Too funny.

Edit: Norton's jumped on board, too. Yeehaw!
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:15pm PT
Incompetence is a poor excuse. The rules for conduct are quite clear. Apparently Ginsberg and Clinton feel they are above them
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:16pm PT
"Now, you're splitting hairs... and implying I'm the one dredging up old news. Too funny."


No I'm implying that you are nothing more than a cheap troll/hack.

Edward..$500 she wins. Talk is so cheap.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:20pm PT
An Open Letter From Technology Sector Leaders On Donald Trump’s Candidacy For President

Trump would be a disaster for innovation.


how could this happen, EDWARD? Please comment on this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/an-open-letter-technology-leaders-donald-trumps-candidacy_us_5787996ae4b03fc3ee4f6be2
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
For sure a left wing feminist activists website is impartial
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:27pm PT
Incompetence is a poor excuse. The rules for conduct are quite clear. Apparently Ginsberg and Clinton feel they are above them


Who are you voting for?

Have you ever voted for someone infallible?
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
I am not voting. The rich already won the election. They want dumb Americans bickering
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:50pm PT


if you feel the letter from the tech firms about Trump was not reported accurately by HP....

then correct the errors?
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:54pm PT
The fact it's speculation based on political agenda such as "inclusiveness". You people just do as told
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 14, 2016 - 03:57pm PT
At one point, I thought Chump was the anti-Christ, but I soon realized he was too stupid. He is however, one of the most successful con-men ever. I give him a golf clap for that.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
We watched The Big Short a couple nights ago on Netflix. Good movie.

A couple things:

 Obama walked into a REALLY f*#ked situation (with the subprime mortgage collapse and ensuing recession). The fact that things have been as good as they have been (we have done better than the rest of the world despite the economic collapse beginning here, and we could have easily entered another great depression or worse) really means Obama (and even congress, at least at that time) aren't nearly as bad as many people make them out to be. W even deserves some credit. Many on the right hated the bailouts, but we would've gone down the tubes without them. What needed to happen was accountability after the bailouts, but that didn't happen.

 The regulations that should have been enacted, after that mess haven't. Yes both parties are to blame, but obviously Republicans are much less interested in regulating wall street than the Dems.

Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:11pm PT
*New Clinton Add - In His Own Words

[Click to View YouTube Video]
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
I'll just point out that Trump has not denied that what Ms. Ginsburg said is true, he just complained that she shouldn't have said it in public.

In fact what she said is all true and like everybody here on the ST she is entitled to have, and to express, her personal opinions.

Not like none of them have opinions.

Let's all pretend they don't, right?
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:36pm PT
Zbrown you could not be more wrong. Even the lowliest govt worker is not supposed to give political opinions or endorse candidates. More so when they are supposed to be an impartial judge. Either she is senile and forgot or she to feels the rules do not apply to her
dirtbag

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:50pm PT

I am not voting. The rich already won the election. They want dumb Americans bickering

LOL, ok.

And of course government employees can have political opinions and volunteer on campaigns. They just can't advocate for candidates while on the job.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
ok c wilmot

post with link showing that government workers are not allowed to express political opinions

in addition, post the Supreme Court "rule" that prohibits Justices from expressing their own political opinions, having no relation to current court case of course

prove your "rules" exist
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:00pm PT
Really Ailment??? http://www.care2.com/causes/5-absurd-scalia-quotes-you-just-wont-believe.html
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:05pm PT
The hatch act of 1939. Perhaps if you people had experience with the gov you would understand this
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:09pm PT
"What would Checkers the dog think about how low political election discourse has become in modern times ?"


Really...like it was better 200-300 years ago?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
Wilber - an easy google search would have told you how incorrect you are, try it.

So why didn't Scalia recuse himself after taking vacations with Bush? hmmmm
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 05:25pm PT
Because he was not making public statements of a political nature. Basic stuff here
Norton

Social climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 06:16pm PT
ok c wilmot

here is the Hatch Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939

I do not read anywhere that government employees are prohibited from expressing their personal political opinions

I also do not read any language that talks about SC Justices not be allowed to do the same

in fact there is very long history of Justices doing exactly that


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-supreme-court-politics-history-21404\

I have a 27 Federal employee neighbor who laughed in disbelief when I asked him about your contention when I ran into him at the mailbox a while ago

FROM THE HATCH ACT ITSELF

These federal employees may:
register and vote as they choose
assist in voter registration drives
express opinions about candidates and issues
participate in campaigns where none of the candidates represent a political party
contribute money to political organizations or attend political fund raising functions
attend political rallies and meetings
join political clubs or parties
sign nominating petitions
campaign for or against referendum questions, constitutional amendments, municipal ordinances
c wilmot

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
I already did. Can't argue with an idiot
WBraun

climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
That's right c wilmot.

The guy is insane .....
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 14, 2016 - 06:39pm PT
Heading into the two parties' conventions, the race for President is a dead heat, a change from last month when Hillary Clinton led by six points. Forty percent of registered voters now say they will back Clinton (a dip of three points), while 40 percent will vote for Trump (a bump up of three points). A month ago, Clinton led Trump 43 to 37 percent.

No comments on the latest CBS/NYT poll?

Trump to make gaffe after gaffe, while erasing a 6 point gap.

Doesn't anyone care?

Or perhaps, it's just is too unsettling to discuss???

crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 14, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
Any poll that shows Donald with a chance should frighten any thinking (and voting) person.

It's a reaction to the e-mail headlines 2 weeks ago, and before the Bernie endorsement. If the polls show a toss-up after the conventions, then I'll be worried.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Jul 14, 2016 - 08:40pm PT
Seriously, is telling other people to get a life because all they do all day is tell other people to get a life all you people have to do all day? Jesus, I mean, get a life!

Now that we got that straight, we can all carry on with our noble human mission of telling each other to get a life. Beats politics I guess.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 14, 2016 - 09:35pm PT
Even the lowliest govt worker is not supposed to give political opinions or endorse candidates.

In your opinion, but by no other authority.

If you look up thread you'll find several instances of Mr. Scalia's words and activities that fly in the face of this.

Any time you want to post up the authority for your statements, I'll be more than happy to read it.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 15, 2016 - 05:57am PT
"Or perhaps, it's just is too unsettling to discuss???"


Not to me but I'm a rational person. Obama was tied at this point in 2012, we still have four months to go.

Go to Nate Silver site, Hillary is up and my bet is wins by a large margin...5-7 percentage points.


dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 06:17am PT
Who is the bigger liar?

The Pinnochio tally so far:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/07/15/trump-versus-clinton-the-pinocchio-count-so-far/
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 07:28am PT
Supreme Court Justice can say anything she wants and there isn't a goddamned thing anyone can do about it short of impeachment, including politics.

I can't recall any other instances in my lifetime of a sitting Justice openly taking sides in a Presidential race. And Justice Ginsberg didn't just take sides. She essentially called Trump a piece of sh#t. Not off the mark. But not appropriate for a SC Justice, IMO.

While I don't think any laws exist barring SC Justices from taking sides, societal standards ask that they maintain an appearance of neutrality, which is essentially what Justice Ginsberg said yesterday.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 15, 2016 - 07:37am PT
Well, Trump is acting like a retard... but to be fair she should have been honest about the other murderous criminal Hillary.

But life ain't fair.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:01am PT
You never said that about Scalia. Your point is dismissed.

DMT

Come on, Dingus. You see the idiocy of that reasoning, right?
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:22am PT
Gingrich wants to test all Muslims in the US to see if they support sharia, then deport those who do:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/15/after-nice-newt-gingrich-wants-to-test-every-american-muslim-and-deport-those-who-believe-in-sharia/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_gingrich-745a-top%3Ahomepage%2Fstory



His political career is basically over, but what's sad is how many people in his party probably think this is a great idea.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:22am PT
Trump has picked Mike Pence to be his running Mate

Now they are a True Conservative Dream Team

all the True conservatives will be supportive of their candidates promoting true conservatism according to Rush, the leader of the Conservative movement.

Mike Pence, a right wing radio talking head, promoter of taking away rights of the LBGT folks, easy gun availability, low wages, high job insecurity, ... what else do we got?

let the vetting begin!
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:26am PT

I can't recall any other instances in my lifetime of a sitting Justice openly taking sides in a Presidential race. And Justice Ginsberg didn't just take sides. She essentially called Trump a piece of sh#t. Not off the mark. But not appropriate for a SC Justice, IMO.

She didn't take sides. She didn't say vote for Clinton.

She was talking about trump's character... Or lack thereof.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:26am PT
Pence reminds me of Admiral Stockdale.

Excellent choice, Donald.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:28am PT
She didn't take sides.

LOL
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:30am PT
Technically she didn't take sides. She just said Trump was a d#@&%ebag: she didn't say "I prefer Hillary.".

But Edward is right, she fully weighed in, and I really wish she had kept her yapper shut.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:37am PT
I'm looking for the New GOP Party platform, but can't find the full version

But I've already heard it does include this:
Mexico building us a wall
policing bathrooms for transgenders
making life for LBGTQ a living hell
keeping Muslims out
policing the internet for suspicious activity (liberals are on that list)
selling off our public lands

and the usual Republican agenda of:
lower wages
high job insecurity
higher wealth inequality
increasing the National debt
cutting food stamps and welfare programs
make college more expensive
make health care insurance costs higher
give more freebies to giant corporations
provide treasury busting tax cut welfare to Corporations and the rich
right wing extremist Sharia Law
make abortion illegal forever
stop women from getting birth control
shut down women's health clinics


I'm sure all the conservatives are ecstatic with this agenda, it's a dream come true, shove a shiv in the back of the others!

The anti-establishment candidate transforms into the a typical GOP establishment candidate, send money!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:37am PT
Pence reminds me of Admiral Stockdale.

Excellent choice, Donald.

Yes, but given that he's scared off nearly everyone who is respected, it was the best choice from a bad pool.

At least we will never have to worry about a president Gingrich or Christie: barf.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:41am PT
RGB had every right to voice her opinions of the huge threat that Trump is to this country

If you are at her level of understanding of the nature of our Government, she was smart to warn us of Trump

He's a Faker, a con, he should not even be in the running

Good Job, keep up the good work!

Hang in there until President Hillary, and a new Democratic Senate.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:45am PT
RGB had every right to voice her opinions of the huge threat that Trump is to this country

“Judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office”
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:49am PT
If there is a president trump, her role in any court case she hears related to that administration will be questioned.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:52am PT
She will call him out for what he is

a Faker

But whatever, she already said she regretted it

So it's all mute.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:53am PT
how is your cousin, Skippy, Edward?

or do you guys both take turns posting under the new EdwardT username?

you both got banned for being obnoxious, think anything has changed?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:54am PT
Here you go, Craig
It's like Sharia law, but different

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/republican-convention-issues.html?_r=1
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:13am PT
On the one hand, the idea that the judiciary is composed of perfect human beings who have no political affiliation (or at least can 100% set that aside at work) is BS. So in some ways getting that out in the open isn't all a bad thing.

On the other hand, I think it was a mistake on her part.

Actually, her biggest mistake was not retiring while Obama could still do her replacement. I can't see her making it 4 more years, let alone 8.

If the R's win, then the SC is likely to be to the right of Kennedy for 20+ years. Fortunately, the R's put up a candidate who might actually be able to lose to Hillary, but it is hardly a sure thing.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:26am PT
Trump sent Christie to pick up his dry cleaning

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/furious-christie-refuses-to-pick-up-trumps-dry-cleaning

NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)—Governor Chris Christie, of New Jersey, angrily refused to pick up Donald Trump’s dry cleaning during a tense encounter between the two men on Friday, campaign sources confirm.

The ugly scene unfolded at the billionaire’s offices in midtown Manhattan, shortly after Trump revealed that his Vice-Presidential pick would be Governor Mike Pence of Indiana.

According to Trump aides, Christie stomped into the presumptive Republican nominee’s office and hurled a dry-cleaning ticket onto his desk, telling Trump, “You can pick up your own damn dry cleaning.”

The New Jersey governor then stormed out, and has not been seen by Trump or his staffers since.

Trump’s press secretary, Hope Hicks, warned the media against making too much of the apparent rift between the billionaire and Christie. “In the long hours of a campaign, emotions can sometimes get a little raw,” she said. “We are confident that Governor Christie will pick up Mr. Trump’s dry cleaning going forward.”

(this is satire)
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:33am PT
EdwardT/Skip thinks there is actually judicial neutrality in the Supreme Court, what a joke. Where were you in 2000?

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-12/it-was-fine-for-justice-ginsburg-to-speak-her-mind



From the link above: "John Marshall, the greatest Chief Justice, served as John Adams’s secretary of state at the same time that he was chief justice. The Constitution says you can’t be in Congress and also work for the executive branch. But it doesn’t demand a similar separation for justices.

Sure, Marshall’s dual role, which ended after Thomas Jefferson defeated Adams and became president in 1801, would be unthinkable today. But it’s good proof that the Founders’ generation, at least, wasn’t obsessed with the idea that justices have to be outside the reach of politics."
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:38am PT
I'd say you are just about right, August.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:38am PT
Donini posted
Cataracts are the third leading cause of blindness, the top two are politics and religion.

Haha.
Maybe some products in these California clinics could help me prevent glaucoma,
but my struggle to recover from the blindness induced by politics remains in doubt ;-)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 09:50am PT
Pence really is a good choice: his extremist views will rally young voters of the Left to get their arse to the polls and vote for Hillary.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2016 - 11:33am PT
Dingus posted
I just searched the U.S. Constitution and all its amendments and am shocked the above quoted phrase is no where to be found.

Class dismissed.

Our Constitution doesn't actually contain the complete recipe for democracy and adopting it didn't make our republic successful. Faith in the justice system is a foundation for democracy and RBG's comments are but one of many actions by justices recently that undermine public confidence in the Supreme Court. She didn't break any rules, but that doesn't mean it was in the best interest of our republic.

Bob posted
Sure, Marshall’s dual role, which ended after Thomas Jefferson defeated Adams and became president in 1801, would be unthinkable today. But it’s good proof that the Founders’ generation, at least, wasn’t obsessed with the idea that justices have to be outside the reach of politics."

There were a lot of things broken about our government back then. Thomas Jefferson bought a newspaper specifically so that he could talk sh#t about George Washington's policies while Jefferson was Washington's Secretary of State. We idolize the Founding Fathers but there have in fact been a number of improvements to our system over the last 200 years.

Escopeta posted

Rebutted how? Its not my fault that your stance on the issue has holes.

If there is absolutely no value in the 2nd Amendment from the perspective of protection against tyranny, then your answer should be an easy one.

For the record, the hypothetical question asked was - "If the US suddenly had a dictator that for whatever reason the US armed forces were completely supportive of and used the entire strength of the our military might to support this dictator......how long would the dictator live?



Really, a long time as in a week? Because a dictator in this country wouldn't last three days from the coup. And that's just due to travel time to get within a mile or so from said dictator.

From the moment you started posting on this forum you've insisted on asking hypothetical questions based on flawed premises designed specifically to make the answer you already have correct. When people point out the flaws you declare yourself the victor because they "couldn't answer" and then, just like here, you declare the answer that you designed the question for to be the obvious truth. In a world where the military "for whatever reason" supported Trump's dictatorship the length of time he would live would be exactly as long as any dictator in any other country ever. It might be days, it might be decades. People already drive to the White House to try to kill the President and he doesn't have tanks parked on the lawn.

Escopeta posted
And if you think that solidarity is what solved Polands problems then great, but in the case of a dictator or an invading force, I think I'd rather have a gun and thankyouverymuch for not making that choice for me.

I'm not trying to force a gun into your hand so don't force me to rely solely on solidarity as a means for defense.

It's really that simple. All I'm asking for is that a choice NOT be made for me.

Again, your arguments have to be made against "taking away all our guns" instead of what most people are actually discussing.

But you, and others, won't admit it because it doesn't jive with your silly anti-gun, pro racism agenda.

That made me laugh.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 11:44am PT
Donald Trump: Sarah Palin won't speak at RNC because Alaska is too far away

By Tom Kludt, CNN
Updated 9:56 PM ET, Thu July 14, 2016


In an interview with the Washington Examiner on Thursday, Trump said that Palin was asked to speak, but that the distance ultimately precluded her from making the trip.

"It's a little bit difficult because of where she is," Trump said, referring to Palin's home state of Alaska. "We love Sarah. Little bit difficult because of, you know, it's a long ways away."


It is a well know fact that you can't get to Cleveland from Alaska, right?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2016 - 11:45am PT
"She had to wash her hair that night"
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 11:53am PT
"She has a clandestine meeting with Putin that night. (They are nextdoor neighbors.)"
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 11:58am PT
During the address, Obama condemned the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission ruling, stating, "Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests – including foreign corporations – to spend without limit in our elections." Justice Samuel Alito was seen frowning and mouthing the words "not true" when Obama criticized the Supreme Court.

Chief Justice John Roberts later commented on the subject at the University of Alabama, saying, "The image of having the members of one branch of government standing up, literally surrounding the Supreme Court, cheering and hollering while the court – according the requirements of protocol – has to sit there expressionless, I think is very troubling."



Roberts weighs in again.


The image of having thousands of yahoos led by a faker standing up, literally surrounding the Supreme Court, cheering and hollering while a court member such as Ms. Ginsburg, according the requirements of protocol, has to sit there expressionless, I think is very troubling and quite possibly treasonous.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
"One of her daughters is supposed to give birth (again) that night."
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 12:58pm PT
For now though, this thread is lockered.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 01:29pm PT
I'm not sure the trump campaign wants voters to think of toilet paper.

Anyway, it seems like this is symbolic of trump sticking his penis into Pence. Hey, it's good to be the king, I guess.


apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 01:43pm PT
"Todd gets out of rehab that night."
Norton

Social climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 02:05pm PT
seems doubtful Dingjus as most everyone here is not in a political family?
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 02:17pm PT
I hope all you shits that attack the families of politicians you don't like get to experience the same, in your own time.

Politics is a known sewer. Many choose not to run for office out of respect for their families.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 15, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
Yawn, DMT.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 15, 2016 - 03:23pm PT
Are all the Republican leaders the knee jerk reactionaries buffoons?

with every Muslim attack, they automatically go into melt down mode and start talking like Hitler.

Newt Gingrich Says We Should ‘Test Every Person’ Of Muslim Descent

Hours after the French attack, he said the U.S. should deport Sharia followers.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, said Thursday that Muslim-Americans should be “tested” and deported if they “believe in Sharia” law

“I mean, if you’re not prepared to monitor the mosque, this whole thing is a joke,” Gingrich said. “We’re like sheep wondering why the wolves keep killing us. These people are opposed to our way of life. They are opposed to our value system. They are opposed to our various religions. They’re opposed to the whole concept of freedom, and they’re very honest about it.”
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 15, 2016 - 04:45pm PT
Sounds like Trump wanted to dump Pence last night. Maybe Newt's call to "test" all American Muslim's was the key. Something even dumber than most of his own ideas.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
He sells himself (and suckers are buying it) as a supremely competent guy, yet his veep roll out is just the latest episode in an endless series of campaign f*#k ups.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 15, 2016 - 05:11pm PT
TP

Perfect. Finally something useful.

Another Fox Analyst goes down for lying

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-fox-news-commentator-sentenced-to-prison-for-faking-cia-ties/ar-BBungxx?li=BBnb7Kz
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 15, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
Notice how Trump has quieted down a bit? Why.

He cannot multitask, he can barely handle a single-track. He is overwhelmed by current events.

He longs for the days when life was just simple unreality show and he could just fire people and make everything "all better"





wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 15, 2016 - 07:12pm PT
"Coaching"

lol


You forgot "ball cupping".

Oh,yeah,Pence.......lol.

They are not winning anything.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 15, 2016 - 07:32pm PT
EdwardT: http://www.ctpost.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Hillary-Clinton-goes-on-The-View-and-sounds-off-7230276.php




LOL
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
Does it get any funnier, or should I say sadder. The Palins...http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/07/15/they-lied-sarah-palin-to-miss-convention-because-her-son-was-just-thrown-in-jail-for-this-details/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
I am ashamed.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 15, 2016 - 08:53pm PT
I am still ashamed
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:33am PT
Mike Pence: Sarah Palin Without The Charisma

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/mike-pence-sarah-palin_b_11003128.html


One source who used to work as a senior staff member in the House of Representatives told me, “Pence, smart? I used to eat salads at the Rayburn cafeteria that had more brains than Mike Pence.”

That certainly fits Mike Pence.

Mike Pence who, in 2001, still was seriously trying to claim that cigarette smoking wouldn’t kill you, writing “Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer.”

Mike Pence who, just last year, looked like a deer in headlights on television, when asked to explain a law he just signed. He was completely unable to tell George Stephanopoulos if the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (Reminder: a bill he just signed) would allow bakers and florists to refuse service to same-sex couples being married. The performance was widely mocked, and thought to be the end of his Presidential ambitions.

Mike Pence who, when asked if he believes in evolution, had to repeat the question, before giving a nonsensical response.

Mike Pence who either didn’t read, or didn’t understand, that he signed a law that requires women to bury or cremate their periods, if they contain a fertilized egg, leading to the Periods for Pence movement.

It isn’t so much that Mike Pence is a lightweight in the brains department.

It’s that Mike Pence is a lightweight in the brains department, and also ridiculously incompetent.


Mike Pence also once decided to start spending resources to develop a state-controlled news service, which would feed the media with prewritten stories, and be the one to break “news” (read: “propaganda”) about his administration. When confronted with the fact that it was, well, kind of Soviet, Pence decided to stop developing the news service.

How bad is his reputation in the state? Republicans want Pence out of Indiana. Reported CNN, “[Trump picking Pence] also makes for a good fit for Indiana Republicans, who are ready for Pence to go after a tumultuous first term in Indiana that has opened up a chance for Democrats to claim the governor’s office.”

Oh, the title of that piece? “Indiana GOP to Trump: Take Mike Pence, Please!”
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:40am PT
Hands appear to be about the same size as T. One nail polished? Code sign for evangelical catholic?





One of the more publicly shared accounts of Pence’s transition from a Catholic youth minister who wanted to be a priest to an evangelical megachurch member came in 1994. That’s when he told the Indianapolis Business Journal about an intense period of religious searching that he underwent in college. “I made a commitment to Christ,” Pence said, speaking of the late 1970s. “I’m a born-again, evangelical Catholic.”


"Trump's abrasive, Know Nothing-like nativist rhetoric has blocked out sober discourse about how to tackle America's big challenges."
-not Ms. Ginsburg
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 16, 2016 - 10:50am PT
Trump, running as the anti-establishment candidate, decided he needed an establishment veep for street cred. Makes total sense now, Trump is a faker.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 10:56am PT
Anybody Trump picked, you jackels would shred. And that's fine.

So Pence's biggest crimes are that he served in Senate (establishment) and he's a staunch Christian (bigot, racist, or something?).

Seems fine by my standards. As long as he's #2. With Trump as the exec, Pence will do just fine as a VP.

Woot!
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 16, 2016 - 11:27am PT
Yeah, Pence served in the House, barely. Functioned more as an obstructionist.

An examination of Pence's legislative record during 12 years in the House reveals scant tangible achievements, instead pointing to a tenure marked by a desire to move the Republican Party and national debate in a conservative direction.
Of 90 standalone bills introduced by Pence during his tenure in the House, the 21 that passed were all "simple resolutions" about matters like placing a member on a committee or rebuking the United Nations, according to the legislative tracker GovTrack. Apart from those, just one Pence bill cleared committee, and then died—a 2005 bill to scrap limits on aggregate campaign contributions by a person in an election cycle. Pence voted against numerous major Bush-era initiatives such as No Child Left Behind in 2001, the Medicare prescription drug benefit in 2003 (which passed by one vote) and the bank bailout of 2008.
"It's not as if he was a legislator who did more than take strong positions against these things," said Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. "This was a guy who saw his role much more as being a super-magnet trying to pull his party and policy away from the center and toward the right."
Fittingly, the largest contributor to his campaigns and political committees from 1989 to 2014 was Club For Growth, a conservative group that often battles bipartisan deals, according to the nonpartisan Center For Responsive Politics. Pence may build bridges between Trump and conservative donors wary of his ideological bona fides.
Pence also gives some Republicans skeptical of Trump a dash of hope that he'd be able to steer the presumptive nominee in a more conservative direction. "I hope that he can move Mr. Trump on a number of these issues," said Flake.
But that doesn't mean he'd be the ideal figure to help Trump cut deals.
"The idea that Pence is going to be an effective liaison with Congress—he knows Congress, but he's not going to be the Republican equivalent of Joe Biden," said Ornstein. "He's not a dealmaker. That's not his modus operandi."
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 06:46pm PT
The rollout of Pence today was one of most bizarre episodes in political history. I really think Trump was on LSD. He came out to introduce Pence, then proceeded to ramble on incoherently about himself for 30 minutes. He finally got around to mentioning the unfortunate fellow and then left. Weird.

Yeah, I watched it live. Was pretty good. He didn't ramble on about himself, that's disengenuous.

He did rail about what he was planning for the country. Things he would do to fix broken systems of governance. And it was pretty good.

He pre-ambled it into how awesome Mike was in Indiana and how, as a team, they would....wait for it...#MAGA

It was o.k.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 16, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
LOf*#kingL
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:10pm PT
Just sayin', butt Trump apparently can sheeit and tweet at the same time. That's where he produces some of his 'best' work, according to Christie who was in changing the TP.



.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
That dude actually looks like Christie. More shocking? I can actually Christie in that exact pose.

You gotta admit, Trump is starting to look very good. I know it drives some people crazy because he's not a radical Dem.
But, he has moderated his tone somewhat, more refined now. The more he speaks like he has been, the better.

As an ever skeptical conservative, I wait for action based on promises. I just want people to do what they were elected for.

I know it's a lot to ask, but this is the over-arching problem isn't it? We elect people that change after their elected. Trump can not do that, and I think this is part of his brilliance.

Regarding 'the Wall', he HAS TO DO IT if he's elected? He wants it too, but he has framed his candidacy on that wall being built. If anybody stands in that way they will be counter to 'the will of the people' and the president elect.

F*#king brilliant.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
Actually, he's looking and sounding more crazy by the day, a feat in itself. Just the bizarre, impulsive, narcissistic routine he did today should disqualify him from being president.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 16, 2016 - 08:04pm PT
bluring, brilliant assessment
Never leave ST, you are an invaluable resource of what the other side thinks

[Click to View YouTube Video]

This may be one of the best Afro Beat pieces ever!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 16, 2016 - 08:33pm PT
But, he has moderated his tone somewhat, more refined now. The more he speaks like he has been, the better.


Bullsh#t. He's still a dick and a racist. You can only polish a turd so much.



dirtbag

climber
Jul 16, 2016 - 09:09pm PT
Please tell us again how the moon landing was faked.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 09:35pm PT
Dirtbag, you have seen disparaging pics of me. I have pics of here of people with aluminum male-appendages in my mouth.

Is that who you think I am>?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 16, 2016 - 09:36pm PT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 09:58pm PT
Did you see that photo of Trump kissing that girl back in 1992?


Ohh!!!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 10:18pm PT
Rod And Jeff had it down!!!

Took Rod a while, but he jumped on board...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC_j_dzkaVE[Click to View YouTube Video]

People get ready.. there's a train a coming.

Don't need no baggage, all you have to do is get on board.

God bless!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 10:39pm PT
"you don't need a ticket, ya just thank the Lord"
Look at Rod Stewart smile when he says that. Never saw that side of him, or even Jeff Beck.
Never knew they were that spiritual. I think it came later in life to them, just like most of us.
I had it for a along time and abandoned it. I walked away.
Amazing when it comes back. It was always there, just kicked aside for other things. But it's always there.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 10:56pm PT
The old Rod...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

always rockin...

(look how young Ronnie Wood is on guitar!)
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 16, 2016 - 11:08pm PT
not sure which is dumber...

republicans who plan to vote for the unabashed self-absorption, the willful ignorance and the intrinsic chaos that are three of the defining characteristics of monsieur trump [and that make a quote like that purported to have come from 1998 believable]...

or

dems who continue to distribute a repeatedly debunked quote about dumb republicans...



i suppose, at least it's a sort of poetic reflection of the state of things as a whole...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 16, 2016 - 11:19pm PT
not sure which is dumber...

i suppose, at least it's a sort of poetic reflection of the state of things as a whole...

i summed it for you to look at yourself. You answered your own question.


dirtbag

climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 06:33am PT
Dirtbag, you have seen disparaging pics of me. I have pics of here of people with aluminum male-appendages in my mouth.

Is that who you think I am>?

No.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 17, 2016 - 06:48am PT
Thank God, db.

Kev and Mucci will pay a price for those pics too. Someday I'll have my retribution.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 17, 2016 - 07:44am PT
Mr. Judgemental thinks he's smarter than everyone for knowing something

I like the photo, no one cares if it's true or not
I was aware that it was said to be debunked before I posted it, just in case you thought I was just plain dumb, but posted anyway, for bluring

It sure seems true, it's virtually true

Now I will use on every page, just to maintain a certain level of truthiness
Hardly Visible

Social climber
Llatikcuf WA
Jul 17, 2016 - 10:42am PT
Food for thought on the Hillary hating...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6/11/1537582/-The-most-thorough-profound-and-moving-defense-of-Hillary-Clinton-I-have-ever-seen

Over and out
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 17, 2016 - 10:58am PT
It is standard RePubican practice to demonize any person you do not agree with.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 11:06am PT
If lying is a deal breaker, trump is not your candidate.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 11:09am PT

Jon Beck posted
It is standard RePubican practice to demonize any person you do not agree with.

Here, let me expand the truth of your statement.
It is standard partisan practice to demonize any person you do not agree with.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 17, 2016 - 12:55pm PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 17, 2016 - 05:55pm PT
"Yeah, you tell a lie enough times,then some people will begin to believe it's true."

Where would the GOP, Fox News, and Christianity be without this simple reality?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
let the other side be the liars, Craig

http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
The "Ready .. Donald" thread lasted less than a year.

Last post?

Klimmer, you are impervious to facts.

Where is old Klimner now?


Orale - Latinas por Trumpo (Ileana García - no relation to Jerry).

"I'd like to remind everyone that he [Trump] won 66 out of 67 counties in Florida, which is primarily Hispanic so it all depends on what you call Hispanic. You know a lot of Hispanics consider ourselves Americans first, so I think that there's a lot of confusion in regards to that," she said.

Rubio is f%ccking pissssed!



zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 07:22pm PT
Point of order. I am not anti-cop, just anti bad cop.


Officers Buy Groceries, Car Seat For Family (Photos)


http://www.opposingviews.com/i/social/routine-traffic-stop-should-have-been-just-woman-when-police-showed-her-door-afterwords
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 17, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
and bad people can become good...

Good point which I sometimes overlook.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 17, 2016 - 08:08pm PT
and bad people can become good...

Good point which I sometimes overlook.

There are truly evil people though, and truly good ones as well. I think the vast majority lie in the neutral middle with tendencies towards either polarity depending on circumstance and personality.

The few truly evil ones I've met could not "become" good...

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 17, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
Trump sounds like a d#@&%e but i don't really know the guy...Interesting how so many conservatives hate Hillary based on what faux news says...?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:50am PT
Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All

“The Art of the Deal” made America see Trump as a charmer with an unfailing knack for business. Tony Schwartz helped create that myth—and regrets it.


By Jane Mayer
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

Take time to read the whole article
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:17am PT
Nice find Craig

If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

I wonder if Donnie got Schwartz to sign a non-disclosure agreement so that he can sue him to silence him. Trump is a litigious SOB
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:21am PT
Anyone else sick of the anti_Trump ads? Whenever I'm watching network TV, every break has anti-Trump ads. It's nauseating. I know Trump's a d#@&%ebag. Real scum of the earth. No way I'd vote for him. I'm planning on voting for Hillary, but the volume of these ads are turning me away from her.

Go Gary!

https://www.johnsonweld.com/

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:23am PT
GIANT METEOR 2016!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:26am PT
They don't show the ads in California

We don't need them, we will vote for the Democrat no matter what ads they run, so they don't even bother wasting their money here
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 08:28am PT
bluering posted
Seems fine by my standards. As long as he's #2. With Trump as the exec, Pence will do just fine as a VP.

The VP has essentially no power. The whole purpose is to have a backup in case the Pres cannot serve. If your entire candidacy is based on the idea that the establishment is a bunch of corrupt jerks who gave all your jobs to china and want to let in immigrants to take the remaining work then I'm not sure a pro-free trade, pro-immigration reform establishment candidate really stays consistent with that message.

Of course, inconsistency is Trump's hallmark. What he's really selling is the reaffirmed dominance of white men in the halls of power and Pence sends that message clearly. Judging from bluering's response, it is well accepted.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:32am PT
"Trump is a litigious SOB"

Odd....I always thought of Republicans as being the anti-lawyer Party....
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:34am PT
The VP has essentially no power.

Depends on the president, Dick Cheney seemed to wield a lot of power over Dubya
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:39am PT
“You have to treat ’em like shit”


Donald Trump on women
More info: Politico, Dec. 8 »
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:45am PT
Regarding 'the Wall', he HAS TO DO IT if he's elected? He wants it too, but he has framed his candidacy on that wall being built. If anybody stands in that way they will be counter to 'the will of the people' and the president elect.

F*#king brilliant.
Bluring

He has to build the Wall, he just has to do it.

and have Mexico pay for it.


there is nothing equivalent on the Democratic side that you can compare to.
especially not posting a debunked virtually true image of Trump with some words on it.

I prefer the status quo to anything Trump endorses
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 08:48am PT
Depends on the president, Dick Cheney seemed to wield a lot of power over Dubya

Having the president's ear is powerful. Constitutionally, the veep's only real power comes in breaking ties in the Senate and being second in line of succession.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:50am PT
You can't break a tie in the Senate if every bill is filibustered

F*#king Republicans
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:55am PT

Donald Trump and Mike Pence are playing unlikely roles in their pairing as presidential running mates
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-pence-announcement-20160716-snap-story,amp.html#

As partnerships go, theirs is not exactly a bromance. In their first joint appearance, the two displayed none of the warmth often shown in vice presidential rollouts. Trump stole the stage in a rambling speech before introducing Pence almost as an afterthought. They did not link arms afterward. Instead, they awkwardly shook hands and skipped altogether the classic pose of arms stretched into the air, hands clasped in.

The two will not immediately hit the road together. Trump’s body language suggested that he was done with his running mate as soon as he introduced him.



Well, it's well known how much narcissists hate to share the stage with anyone...hopefully Pence doesn't personalize this too much....
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:19am PT
Usually, the nominee uplifts and the veep attack-dogs.

Pence purportedly dislikes negative campaigning, while Trump thrives on it, so the roles may be reversed.

Anyway, let the Cleveland sh#t show begin. I hope there is no bloodshed.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:32am PT
I was stuck by the reports of the shooter being a marine, killing three policemen.

It seems that there has been a Repub narrative that says that citizens should arm themselves so as to be able to exercise their "second amendment solutions" when they feel the gov't is oppressing them.

This is the Cliven Bundy approach, and it appears to be taken seriously by those who have grievances against the gov't, using the police as the handiest manifestation of that gov't.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:34am PT
I don't get it

why would the Cleveland Police Department ask Governor Kasich to suspend the open carry gun law during the convention

when we all know that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun
F

climber
away from the ground
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:38am PT
^^^^
And why isn't Escopedro shitting his pants over that? Hmmmmmmm????

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:55am PT
If it's a gun free zone, then you are risking your life to go there!

these gun free zones are complete killing fields were any crazy loon knows that they can go and shoot up the place with no worries.

A bad guy with a gun doesn't care about legality, he's just looking for gun free zones to freely express his second amendment rights!

I put up a sign in my neighborhood that reads, "Not a Gun Free Zone"
It helps me sleep at night.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:16am PT
Yeah, but if there's a good guy with a gun there, they will be able to stop....

...the shooting...

..ummm....


Nevermind.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 10:17am PT
Why are you guys scoffing at the power of totem fetish worship? Be respectful of other people's faith, ok? We have the first amendment for a reason.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:41am PT
Tyson Gross arrived at a Donald Trump rally on the Cleveland riverfront Monday with a plainly visible Glock pistol in a holster on his belt.

"I hope to God I don't have to use it," said the soft-spoken 31-year-old Navy financial analyst.

..."I don't want to be here, because it's dangerous," said Gross, who added that he fears a terrorist attack and violent clashes with anti-Trump protesters.

"I respect their right to protest," he said of Black Lives Matter demonstrators and others who oppose the Republican presidential nominee-in-waiting who described the nation Sunday as "a divided crime scene" that "will only get worse."

"Come armed too," Gross said of the Black Lives Matters supporters. "It's fine. Just don't harm anybody."

The rally of bikers, tea party followers and other Trump supporters was organized by Roger Stone, a veteran GOP campaign consultant and Trump confidant.

"I can't wait to get out of here," said Gross, who lifted his "Hillary for Prison 2016" T-shirt to show how the heavy gun on the belt of his baggy shorts was weighing down his thin frame.

He said his wife urged him not to drive to Cleveland for the rally, but he insisted he needed to demonstrate — by displaying his loaded gun — that Trump's supporters could not be intimidated.

"When I was saying goodbye to my wife, I was getting a little teary-eyed," he said. "I didn't know what to expect."

God save the Republic.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:48am PT
It's going to be the World's Largest KKK Rally!

Don't forget your white Robes!
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:48am PT
You can't break a tie in the Senate if every bill is filibustered

F*#king Republicans

Craig, the Senate minority filibusters. Right now, that's Democrats.

John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 10:49am PT
The idea of ideologically opposed groups showing up armed "for safety" is a recipe for total disaster.





John posted
Craig, the Senate minority filibusters. Right now, that's Democrats.

You can't break a tie when they won't ever bring a vote.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:53am PT
True, HDDJ, but that's not a filibuster. That's more like the way Harry Reid ran the Senate.

For the record, I think the Republicans are making a mistake here. I think the next SCOTUS nominee will be far to the left of Garland.

John
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:57am PT
Payback is a Bitch
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:57am PT
Republican National Convention Schedule Released, Featuring Hate, Death, and Fear

The Rude Pundit
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

The Republican Party finally released its speaker list and general schedule for its national convention, which starts Monday in Cleveland (motto: "Dear God, let us survive this"). It's an unsurprising list of minor celebrities, craven politicians, and an assortment of dicks and as#@&%es, all ready to go f*#k themselves at a word from their nominee, Donald Trump. Here's a look:

Night 1: A "Benghazi focus," with the corpse of Ambassador Christopher Stevens propped up in a chair as Melania Trump, in a Hillary Clinton mask, lap dances it. Then two security officers who survived the attack in Libya will be allowed to gun down a Muslim chosen at random from the streets of Cleveland. Melania Trump, in a hijab, will give them a lap dance to celebrate their triumph. Rudy Giuliani will show up to play "Creepy Uncle Rudy," the lonely divorced guy who weeps while masturbating in the kids' room while the children are asleep, telling himself it's not wrong. Then we shift to immigration, where border patrol agents will wrestle each other over which one of them hates Messicans more and how much a wall would be awesome. Finally, Jamiel Shaw will speak. His son was killed by an undocumented immigrant in 2008, which would have been during the presidency of George W. Bush, a Republican. But he's black and supports Trump. Two lap dances from Melania for him.

Night 2: It's economy night: Everyone in attendance will be given a poor person to feed and care for for the night. If you keep the poor person alive until the end of the evening, you get a gift bag. If your poor person dies under your watch, like if you drop them on their head or leave them in your car without a window opened, you still get a gift bag, but you have to pretend you feel bad about taking it. What you don't have to feel bad about is that the poor person will receive hospital treatment because Ohio is one of the few states led by a Republican that took the Medicaid expansion. The evening will conclude with Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell slowly strangling adorable hedgehogs, their horrible squeaks echoing throughout the hall as the gathered delegates hope the animals die quickly, just to end it. Everyone gets a scholarship to Trump University, as long as you buy at least one course package.

Night 3: Guns and penises: Eric Trump will come on stage and slowly fellate an AR-15 held by his Klonopinned to the gills wife. A presentation on Bill Clinton's dick will feature reenactments of his Oval Office shenanigans. There will be a raffle to see who gets to put a cigar in pro-golfer Natalie Gulbis's snatch. Ted Cruz will speak about how God has forsaken him and he will now become a male prostitute. He will offer his services, but no one will take him up on it. When Cruz is done, everyone will get a chance to punch Newt Gingrich in the dick. The evening ends with a command to the delegates from the NRA to shove the barrel of their concealed handguns up their as#@&%es until they feel pleasure take over the pain. So much blood, sh#t, and semen will stain the floor that the night will end early. Anti-choice activists think that's their cue, but they will be sent home without being allowed to speak.

Night 4: The coronation of the Trump: Donald Trump will be presented, nude, covered in oil, to the writhing hordes who have been engaged in unholy congress due to the ecstasy and acid that the Trump water bottles were laced with. "Who dares challenge me?" Trump will cry out as he is surrounded by virgin Asian boys who constantly massage his balls and rub the oil into his flesh with meat from Trump steaks. Ivanka will place a crown on his head and, taking his penis in her hand, lead her father to the lectern where he will demand human sacrifice. Reince Priebus will offer his heart for the eating, and Tim Tebow will carry out the ritual. Trump will decline the heart and, instead, command Chris Christie to eat it, yanking on his nipple chains to bring him forth. Tebow will fist the bent over Christie as he gorges on the bloody organ. Bathed in light, Trump will ask for ten, no, twenty, no, okay, let's make it ten hot women, not pigs, to be brought to his suite so that he can interview them for unpaid internships. The lights will go out suddenly and, when they come on, Trump will be gone, his swastika-emblazoned helicopter already flying him away from Cleveland. His biker troops will use fire hoses to chase out the remaining delegates. The body of Reince Priebus will be left to rot and be eaten by rats.

Outside, the riots will descend into Soylent Green territory.

It's gonna be a fun time in Cleveland.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:59am PT
Payback is a Bitch

The underlying theme of American politics.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 11:03am PT
John posted
True, HDDJ, but that's not a filibuster. That's more like the way Harry Reid ran the Senate.

Yes, the point is you're being pedantic. It's also how McConnell is running the Senate.


Interestingly, Sean Smith's mom will be speaking tonight at the convention. I talk politics on a forum that Sean was a moderator on. I don't get the impression that this would have made him particularly happy.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 18, 2016 - 11:08am PT
Really there is no such thing as "White Privilege". Just ask Paul Ryan.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 11:17am PT

Solid
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 12:05pm PT


"We need someone trustworthy in the White House."
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:15pm PT
Benghazi!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:18pm PT
"For the record, I think the Republicans are making a mistake here. I think the next SCOTUS nominee will be far to the left of Garland."

Hang in there, RBG!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
"Colbert crashes the RNC podium and insults Trump.


"Look, I know I'm not supposed to be up here — but to be honest, neither is Donald Trump!"

Holy crap, that's funny!
c wilmot

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:28pm PT
You shop at cid,s or the super save bob d,a? How much is your Taos house worth? Perhaps you feel there is a white privlade because it all you have ever known?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:44pm PT
Perhaps you feel there is a white privlade because it all you have ever known?

Admitting it exists is he first step in beating it. 12 steps, right?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 12:55pm PT
being a resident of New Mexico and knowing Taos well

far more likely Paul Ryan knows nothing but white privilege than Bob

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 18, 2016 - 01:21pm PT
"You shop at cid,s or the super save bob d,a? How much is your Taos house worth? Perhaps you feel there is a white privlade because it all you have ever known?"

Actually Albertson's or Smith's.

Taos is 60 percent hispanic.

Get a life and get off my leg.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 18, 2016 - 01:21pm PT
There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 02:23pm PT
I'm trying not to laugh.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
Over 100 Naked Women Protest Outside RNC Quicken Loans Convention Center



“I fought to hold in my tears as [Tunick] explained that we were gathered together to make a statement against the rhetoric of hatred that’s being spewed out from the Republican party; against the misogynistic, xenophobic, racist, anti-LGBTQ, ableist platform that has defined hating others as an acceptable American lifestyle.”



EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:25pm PT
How many militant feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:28pm PT
Is that you, Locker?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:36pm PT

ha ha, lol, Edward told a lightbulb joke! Isn't he clever?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:55pm PT
Why are liberal women so disgusting? Put yer clothes on, have you no decency, maam?

Why do they think these protests work? It get's attention? Not good attention. No bueno...
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:07pm PT
yeah, female public nudity is SO disgusting

amazing how you can tell from looking at them that they are "liberal"

never get tired of being wrong
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:21pm PT
What is Donald selling? that he is a decisive decision-maker, that can manage things well, including complex military decisions. Right?


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The Trump team was then unprepared Friday to present Indiana Gov. Mike Pence’s record, provide basic biographical info, deflect Clinton attacks or even update its website. Student body election campaigns have been better organized than this.

Many Republicans oppose Trump because they see him as the one candidate most likely to lose to Hillary Clinton. But others fear something worse: a Trump victory. They know that his presidency would represent a grave danger to the republic, a repudiation of the most noble Republican aspirations, and the end of their party as a serious vehicle for governance. The GOP can survive a Trump defeat. It will never get over being permanently defined by his politics of flippant brutality.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:25pm PT
I dunno, blue...


Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:36pm PT
those women took all their clothes off!

they gotta be "liberals"

those women heard and read what Donald Trump said about women and didn't like it

so they gotta be liberals, because conservative girls like being called sluts, bimbos
and to be "treated like shit" as Donald said

jesus h christ.....make it stop
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:42pm PT
Liberal or not, they're retarded. Its an easy mistake to make.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
Why do these nearly naked pseudodo militia guys insist on strutting around Oregon doing Chris Christie impersonatons?


Oh, BTW

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
Good one edwardT


Esco you know every time you say retarded it just flags you as an as#@&%e right? It's not about being PC it's just about not being a d#@&%e bag.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:54pm PT
Can only lead to sheeit like this, righty?

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:57pm PT
Looks like I lost my $10 bet

Trump Will Be the GOP Presidential nominee

Last-Ditch Rebellion Against Donald Trump Fails

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/last-ditch-rebellion-mounted-against-donald-trump_us_578d2d55e4b0c53d5cfa7a56

I'll await BB's claim to the winning bet
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:04pm PT
On the sexual front.

Trump and pal Howard Stern 1993




In a 1993 interview on The Howard Stern Show, Donald Trump said those who did not serve in the Vietnam War had their own Vietnam to deal with — dating.
“You know, if you’re young, and in this era, and if you have any guilt about not having gone to Vietnam. We have our own Vietnam. It’s called the dating game,” he said during a discussion of Trump’s well-publicized germaphobia and the ongoing AIDs epidemic.
“It’s pretty dangerous out there Robin. It’s like Vietnam,” Trump said earlier in the interview.
“It is, it is,” Stern said. “The dating scene is like Vietnam.”
“Dating is like being in Vietnam,” Trump said. “You’re the equivalent of a soldier going over to Vietnam.”

AND

Police look for victim in body-shaming photo taken by Playboy model at L.A. gym


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-playboy-dani-mathers-lapd-photo-20160718-snap-story.html
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:07pm PT
It's the Grand Old Party of Alex jones now: he spoke at a trump rally.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/18/the_lunacy_of_trump_s_gop_at_the_america_first_unity_rally.html

No past presidents, no past nominees, no up and coming politicians.

This is what a terminal party looks like.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
at least based on the start of the rnc so far, the rude pundit's satire, that CFry copy pasta'd a few pages back, may have been too understated:

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while the mixture of religion and politics has been a mainstay of republicanism for quite some time, that is some next level wanna-be-ayatollah shIt right there...



stay tuned, the appearance of a nude trump and melania lap dancing with the corpses of benghazi soldiers may have been more prognostication than satire...

holy [christian] shiite...
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
WTF, Bengahzi nite at the convention. Just watched Pat Smith spew her hate. I am sure her son would be mortifed to see his mother behave like that.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:40pm PT
whiny little bitches
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:49pm PT
I have never before encountered an uglier human being, inside and out, than Trump.

I find everything about him utterly repulsive....what he says, how he says it, his hand movements, his sneer even his hair.

Rush Limbaugh looks good in comparison....never thought I would sat that!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:56pm PT
The Rude Pundit always nails it perfectly

You should check on him for daily updates of his blog

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:03pm PT
^^^^ based on tonight, he's killing it.



wow.

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this is now your party rethuglicans.



embrace it...

and let the rage... the fear... and the grief... flow through you.

overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:16pm PT

A lot of them gals seem to be covering the wrong area which is strange because it's usually the other way around
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-republican-convention-2016-live-the-turtles-don-t-like-the-gop-s-use-of-1468887305-htmlstory.html

Shortly after “Happy Together” started playing over the speakers at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland the Turtle's lead singer Howard Kaylan tweeted his concern:
We never approved this use.
Now we call the lawyers

But reached by phone, Turtles bandmate Mark Volman told The Times that because the organizers employed a house band to play the famed tune, the group does not appear to have much legal recourse.

The Turtles own only the so-called mechanical rights -- their own performance and recording of the song -- and are therefore unable to prevent another act from covering it.

“They can’t use the Turtles’ record on TV without paying for it, so if they did, they will certainly hear about it," he said.

...That said, Volman does have a few philosophical objections to the song’s use in Cleveland. “It seems kind of silly that they would open the convention with something that has nothing to do with them at all,” he says. “The RNC seems to be going out of its way in creating more of a negative than a positive, so I don’t think ‘Happy Together’ really fits.”

However, adds Volman with a laugh, “I can see why they would use it. It’s a fabulous song!”

Flo and Eddie telling like it is. Maybe it reminds Trump of Ivanka.
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Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:26pm PT
What was the outcome of the investigations of 20 terrorist attacks on U.S. embassies/consulates resulting in 66 deaths during G.W. Bush’s presidency?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:41pm PT
I have never before encountered an uglier human being, inside and out, than Trump.

I find everything about him utterly repulsive....what he says, how he says it, his hand movements, his sneer even his hair.

Boy ain't that the truth.

I've never been more disappointed in American politics.



Good thing there's more to life.


...

re: bothsideism... mind-boggling irresponsibility.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/opinion/both-sides-now.html
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:46pm PT
How about that Tom Cotton?

Is he awesome or what?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
Tom Cotton reciting his military history. Apparently to fill the gap where Trump has none, except avoiding STD's.

Make America just like Trump.

After Trump loses, there is talk that the 2020 candidate may very well be Cotton.



High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:05pm PT
The Art of the Lie...

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all


'I Feel a Deep Sense of Remorse,’ Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Says

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us/politics/trump-book-tony-schwartz.html

Craig, nice to see you referenced it already.



Crooked Trump.

That should be the prevailing meme.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:14pm PT
Sadly, I think Trump is going to win it. Republicans are so easily herded by fear-mongering rhetoric, they don't care that it's all built on lies and half truths. All they see & hear is god & country. They're going to whip up the christian vote and each one of voting age will do so.

Dems are more complacent and will not be able to mount a good defense against the tidal wave of blind fear & lies. I weep for America.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:19pm PT
I weep for America.

me too
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:22pm PT
I'm an American with a Remington.....What time is the Sarah Palin wet t-shirt contest...?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
Crap...did you guys here Giuliani? Sounded like he was about to stroke out....

They played him out with Van Morrison's 'Brown Eyed Girl', followed by Queen's 'We are the Champions'. I betcha those artists would have a problem with the RNC using their music....
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
She shur is purdy
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
Top of the list of most Evil:

Newt Gingrich
Rudy Giuliani
Paul Manafort
Karl Rove
Frank Luntz
Tom Cotton
Rick Scott
Scott Walker
Melanoma ( a teleprompter !!!) "citizens of planet Earth"!!

I forgot the rest
I will update as the convention plods on and brings back the memories

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
Rudy first time mention how many years he known Trump...30years..
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:28pm PT
'Melanoma'

Sssshhh....she's talking right now....
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
I really wish someone would Rickroll her right now.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
Such a doll
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
so sad
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
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to da luu !!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:34pm PT
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:38pm PT
She shore is pretty!

Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:41pm PT
She shore is pretty!

Not really. A two-bagger if you ask me.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
Melanimanl has a slight resemblance to Medusa...Hot...!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
Pretty interesting that they trotted her out on the first day...maybe they've shot their wad for the RNC 2016?

It was funny listening to the fade on 'We are the Champions'....they faded it just as they got to:
"..but it's been no bed of roses....
..no pleasure cruise..."


Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:46pm PT

should be around soon
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:47pm PT
You're doing his work for him so he can take the night off.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
Being a tall white hetero, I prefer Marla Maples

What ever happened to their daughter?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
"Donald is intensely loyal,"


said his third wife.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:52pm PT
To recap the GOP convention, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama engaged in a conspiracy to let the terrorists in, and there’s been so much death and blood and gore and guts and if it wasn’t for all those liberals, every terrorist would already be dead. So unless you vote for Trump, THEY ARE COMING TO KILL YOU and you WILL die, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:53pm PT
This sh#t is sooooo much fun. Like watching the circus.

Edit:
Norton, you left out the part where Obama is complicit with all the cop killings that have happened of late.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:55pm PT
I found her
Nothing bad to say on my part
Tiffany Trump
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
. Ronald Reagan was the only president who ever divorced his wife
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:01pm PT

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:02pm PT

He's had all the hot celebrities and models,
His list is very impressive.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:11pm PT
Speaks for itself:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
Terrorists from ISIS are in all 50 States....

Jodi Ernst
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:23pm PT
Otter fur on that first one. Very nice.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
Donald looks quite dapper with the tarantula eyebrows...Otter fur....Good eye esco peta...She ain't got nothin on Barbara Bush...
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
Keep a clean nose, watch where your handjams go


"She's So Cold"

I'm so hot for her, I'm so hot for her
I'm so hot for her and she's so cold
I'm so hot for her, I'm on fire for her
I'm so hot for her and she's so cold
I'm the burning bush, I'm the burning fire
I'm the bleeding volcano
I'm so hot for her, I'm so hot for her
I'm so hot for her and she's so cold
Yeah, I tried re-wiring her, tried re-firing her
I think her engine is permanently stalled
She's so cold she's so cold
She's so cold cold cold
Like a tombstone
She's so cold, she's so cold
she's so cold cold cold like an ice cream cone
She's so cold she's so cold
I dare not touch her my hand just froze
Yeah, I'm so hot for hot for her, I'm so hot for her
I'm so hot for her and even so
Put your hand on the heat, put your hand on the heat
Aw C'mon baby, let's go
She's so cold, she's so cold, cold, she's so c-c-c-old
But she's beautiful, though
Yeah, she's so cold
She's so cold, she's so cold
She was born in an arctic zone
She's so cold she's so cold, cold, cold
I dare not touch her my hand just froze
She's so cold, she's so goddamn cold she's so
Cold cold cold she's so cold
Who would believe you were a beauty indeed
When the days get shorter and the nights get long
Lie awake when the rain comes
Nobody will know, when you're old
When you're old, nobody will know
that you was a beauty, a sweet sweet beauty
A sweet sweet beauty, but stone stone cold
You're so cold, you're so cold, cold, cold
You're so cold, you're so cold
I'm so hot for you, i'm so hot for you
I'm so hot for you and you're so cold
I'm the burning bush, I'm the burning fire
I'm the bleeding volcano
stunewberry

Trad climber
Spokane, WA
Jul 18, 2016 - 08:50pm PT
What happened to the interest in Trump's tax returns? He claimed he couldn't because he was being audited. IRS said that's no reason not to release them. Here's the top two reason he probably won't: 1) He's not as rich as he claims. 2) There are nasty skeletons in there that he doesn't want anyone to see.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:00pm PT
They'll be back and harped on

Will he release? Probably not

Same reason Romney didn't
Norton

Social climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:05pm PT
Wasn't Reagan also a Christian???...

sure!

likely three times buried and born again many more times
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
"What happened to the interest in Trump's tax returns?"


Ask the ball-less media....
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:33pm PT
I find it ironic that republicans only want people who speak perfect English to be allowed in this country.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:34pm PT
And they won't allow potatoe guns at their convention.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:44pm PT
The speech is the thing

Wherein we'll capture

The lack of conscience ...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:48pm PT
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aya butt, sum langquish spawns METAmorphosiss,s,s,s,s

hear kitty kitty, how do you get a kitty to pay attention;b
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:51pm PT
Yeah, well, if they don't care about dishonesty they're sure as heck not going to care about plagiarism.




#CrookedMelania
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 09:56pm PT
A cancer on the house of Trump.

Melanoma claims she wrote (... er ... plaigiarized) the speech all by herself.

Whoops, somebody else wrote it

I just read it

Lying Melanoma, lying Donny - must run in the family..




Clinton (or surrogate) will ask about those tax returns repeatedly.

Will Trump debate Clinton or just call it in.


BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:04pm PT
what was their lie?

that debate will be trumpeted throughout the future, dang sure the hair will be thair!
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:18pm PT
She said she wrote the speech.

When asked about the speech during an interview with NBC's Matt Lauer, Melania Trump said, " I wrote it...with as little help as possible."


She didn't.

The actual writer plagiarized Obama speech.

Donny's lies? You're kidding. Right?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:53pm PT
sorry thought you were talkin bout his boook.. shoulda read back ferther, i quess

as far as i can throw donny, he's just a used car salesman! jus gotta know what turd he's sellin to get the deal you want.. he should be easily controlled by you know who. Ho Ho Ho. Billary on the other hand, she's already sold.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 18, 2016 - 10:55pm PT
Ok....so who you gonna vote for, blueb?

Or are you gonna stay home?
dirtbag

climber
Jul 18, 2016 - 11:02pm PT
Really? A dry ice entrance?

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 18, 2016 - 11:09pm PT
yeah i'm a felon. so my only legality is to throw tomatoes from the stands. sorry

guess i got 30+pent up yrs of not sharing the rfights you all shjare. like the right to vote . to leave the country. to own a gun. to be bonded or licensed.ETC..
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 18, 2016 - 11:33pm PT
plagiarizing an obama... and a rick roll?

damn the clinton's must have their saboteur's deep deep under cover on this one... hahaha...

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i wonder if after someone reads trump's twitter feed to him, whether melania will be sleeping alone tonight...

wow.... what a night. what a shining beacon of hope... of creative intelligence... of new vision... of respect for others in our differences... /s

un.be.liev.ab.le
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 18, 2016 - 11:37pm PT
Nice speech by Melania. Figures, since it appears to have been written by Michelle Obama.

Did anyone seriously expect her to have thoughts of her own?

Curt
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:20am PT
last one...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

after the totality of this opening night of the rnc, i'm left almost speechless.

a large portion of america truly does want to go full hunger games.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:03am PT
It just gets stranger and stranger. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-college-claims_us_578dd95ce4b0c53d5cfac0dc?section=
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:24am PT
Melania helped design Trump's tower....It use to be small but now it's uge...Melania will design the great wall...Why all the hate...? Take back America...I mean let's make it great again...
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:27am PT
She should've claimed a degree from Tramp U.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:57am PT
I watched most of it last night, same old republican party, fear and hate.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:13am PT
It's always fear and hate on either side.

Fear and hate of The Donald on the left since that's really all Hillary has going for her to deflect from her own crimes.

Sad state of affairs.

Re-read 1984 if you haven't.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 06:32am PT
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Melania inarguably plagiarized Michelle's speech from 2008, a speech that Melania Trump claims to have written with as little help as possible. Presumably we all assumed she meant "speechwriter" but she really meant FLOTUS.

Even better, the part that she stole was about loyalty, trust, honesty and character.

Lastly, for those of you trying to argue this away in your minds, the odds of two people writing the same 5 words in a row (excluding common articles like this, the, a, and, an, etc...) is in the same realm as winning the Powerball. The same 25 out of 27 words is impossible. This would be grounds for suspension at all universities, journalists would likely lose their jobs and academic papers would be retracted and the professors could lose tenure for this kind of behavior. Though...in her defense....plagiarism was probably encouraged at Trump University.




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Melania's bizarre speech cribbing is overshadowing some the kind of cartoonish racism one has come to expect from Steve 'Cantaloupe Calves' King, a prominent Republican politician who yesterday insisted that white people, and Christians in particular, were responsible for the rise and success of all of civilization.


zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:48am PT
Well, someone should have checked the handy desktop reference that those of us in the know got in the mail.


Dutch scientists have developed a unique solution to deal with the data storage problem. By manipulating single atoms, researchers have created the world’s smallest hard drive capable of storing 1 kilobyte of data (8000 bits) in a space under 100 nanometers across. Using this technology, one could store all the books in the world on a device the size of a postage stamp.

I've got my own economic issues to deal with today. Perhaps someone can read through this one for us all and present a reasoned critique.


Where Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Stand on Economic Issues
**


http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-on-the-economy/

divad

Trad climber
wmass
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:03am PT
Melania blew it for the Donald..
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:11am PT
Of course that's why he married her
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:15am PT
They are trying hard, give them credit. Fortunately they don't have a Leni Riefenstahl.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:18am PT
How can the Repugs follow that performance. Ratings tonite should be yuuuge
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 07:26am PT
Can't blame her for wanting to take inspiration from a strong, intelligent, accomplished First Lady.

The combination of the plagiarism and the Rick Roll (which wasn't even cleverly masked) makes me think her speechwriter is an anti-Trump operative. There's no other explanation.


The RNC program apparently said that Malania got a degree in design from the University of Slovenia but she dropped out after a year. Trump's campaign has repeatedly referred to her "degree."
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:31am PT
I must admit, even I did not think they would f*#k up so badly so early in the convention


Ya know, the point of a convention is to serve as a multi day infomercial for the nominee. And after day one, the takeaway is disunity in the party and Melanie plagiarized her speech. Did they really think no one would notice?

This is the campaign that promises to hire the best people, and to run the country extremely competently?

Seriously?

Reports before the convention said that Rnc staff were nervous about the convention. They were right: this is what happens when a con man with little interest in actually running things and bare bones staff is put in charge.

G-d help us all if he wins.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:33am PT
This is what a terminal party looks like.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 07:36am PT


This f*#king election. I mean holy sh#t. Is this real life?


*edit*


Ok, no it wasn't real life. It was photoshopped as a joke. Thank god.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:36am PT
"I know I'm not supposed to be up here, but neither is Donald Trump!" Brilliant!!

https://www.google.com/gfe_rd=ssl&ei=H-PqVqPmAuyD8QeWvJKADg#q=colbert+rnc+video
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:38am PT
Hddj please tell me that Twitter quote from
Donald is fake.


Please please please tell me it's fake.

The closest Donald should get to the White House is an organized tour.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:44am PT
It's like watching a Junior High Talent Night Show interspersed with the dark side indoctrination sessions given by cartoonish goons straight from Dr. Evil's lair

I just don't get how anyone can think this is a Party that is worth voting into office.

It's nothing more than a Party of corrupt clowns hungry for power
that will throw the country under the bus to claim it
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:45am PT
The combination of the plagiarism and the Rick Roll (which wasn't even cleverly masked) makes me think her speechwriter is an anti-Trump operative. There's no other explanation.

Nah. Donald is already bored with all this campaigning nonsense. Melania's plagiarism was intentional. Donald made a bet with David Koch that none of his supporters would give a sh#t.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 07:48am PT
Bah, it was shopped. Thank god. My brain was almost broken.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:51am PT
Can't blame her for wanting to take inspiration from a strong, intelligent, accomplished First Lady.

I'm positive melania copied michelles wheight loss tip's..

LIBERLS heads are exploding everywhere..
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:54am PT
I'm positive melania copied michelles wheight loss tip's..

LIBERLS heads are exploding everywhere

I think you got it wrong Pyro

We're celebrating

after last night's show
The entire GOP leadership heads are exploding
Even the Bushs
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 07:59am PT
pyro posted
I'm positive melania copied michelles wheight loss tip's..

Misogynists gotta misogyny.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 08:02am PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:17am PT
Pyro's head is the one that is going to explode in November.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:18am PT
another day in the assault minds

vvvv it really is crazy
case in point below your post
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:20am PT
You repeat the same stupid garbage 13 thousand times in a row over and over in every day all day long.


Pot..kettle...
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:28am PT
Breaking News!!!

GOP to launch investigation into allegations that Michelle Obama plagiarized Melanie Trump
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:29am PT
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:32am PT
^^^^ :-)
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:36am PT
apparently she isn't an American

She said that Trump would be the best for YOUR Country

Not OUR Country

When is she going to learn how to speak Ermican!!
She's forigenerrer
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:40am PT
Didn't realize Chachi is bat sh#t crazy and a huge racist.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:43am PT
I hope that duck dynasty dude gets to be secretary of the interior.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:46am PT

Jul 19, 2016 - 08:36am PT
Welcome to the modern GOP, boys.

Enjoy.

I'm laughing, but I really don't find this sorry spectacle funny.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:46am PT
is Scott Baio a white guy or what?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:49am PT
"for those of you trying to argue this away in your minds..."

"Donald made a bet with David Koch that none of his supporters would give a sh#t."


I bet he did, and Donald won.

Trumpsters are not going to fall out of line because of something like this.

Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:51am PT
Trumpsters are not going to fall out of line because of something like this.

oh my goodness no!

they will love Donald even more because Melania is hot
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:53am PT
I say Hillary get a rating bump from this convention.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:54am PT
"a large portion of america truly does want to go full hunger games."


Yes. This.

I'm changing my avatar icon, at least for the near future.

Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:54am PT
is that a ferret?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:03am PT

Why, yes...thank you for noticing....
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 09:12am PT
The Fox Blondes are piling on Ailes...and not in the way he was hoping for.

Sources: Megyn Kelly Told Murdoch Investigators That Roger Ailes Sexually Harassed Her


*edit*


Two sources in that story say that Murdoch has given Ailes until August 1st to resign.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:14am PT
I found Scott Baio's most recent claim to fame

tweeting out a photo shopped image of Hillary in from of the sign that Bush was photographed with.

What a moron

Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:17am PT
If Melania is so smart how come she needed a teleprompte?

skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:23am PT
You all are waaaay too serious about this stuff...

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:38am PT
Fox News will not die w/o Ailes

It will go on as the media wing of the Right Wing Bubble people
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:52am PT
Thankfully, Colbert seems to be regaining his identity in recent months. He's been so milquetoast since he went to the Tonight Show...maybe that was a condition of his contract with CBS?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 09:52am PT
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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:53am PT
Wa Post:

Some Republicans also said the consequences could be grave.

“Talking to operatives here, the mood is something between grim resignation and the Donner Party,” Mike Murphy, a veteran GOP consultant and a former top adviser to Jeb Bush, said on Tuesday morning.

Steve Schmidt, the senior adviser to the 2008 presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), said on MSNBC that the plagiarism accusation has “brought scandal on a potential first lady.”
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:57am PT
Another thing that struck me as odd about Mrs Trumps speech. English is clearly not her first language. So electing Trump means placing in the White House, a person with significant ties to foreign countries.

It means nothing to me, but you can't help but wonder how it impacts the vague feelings of those who are so anti-foreigner?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:02am PT
you can't help but wonder how it impacts the vague feelings of those who are so anti-foreigner?

hot chicks always get a free pass.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:03am PT
"The one with Bush is the one photoshopped."


Whatever, Cosmic.

That Bush image has been around FOREVER. Genuine or not, it came first (edit: as a political meme), and some lame ass usedtabe tweeted it to get some attention.

A usedtabe to who is gaining attention by human caterpillaring himself onto a golden manatee. The same golden manatee whose wife plagiarized the speech of the Right's second most hated FLOTUS.

There. We got things back on topic. Let's try to stay there, huh?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 10:07am PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:10am PT
I'm all out, Edward. These tears of laughter have been flowing long and hard ever since yesterday evening.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 10:12am PT

You'll note that the non-highlighted parts contain some pretty obvious rephrasing...they only highlighted the verbatim bits.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:17am PT
Melania plagiarized Michelle?

Oh my!!!

Is this worse than Michelle plagiarizing Alinsky?

Barack plagiarizing Patrick?

Hillary plagiarizing Edwards? Sanders?

Looks like Melania's transgressions are standard fare.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:18am PT
Boy, you Democrats are more open-minded than I. I can't bring myself to watch.

John
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:19am PT
Did Led Zeppelin plagiarize Spirit?

(That oughta troll DMT back here...)
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:21am PT
Boy, you Democrats are more open-minded than I. I can't bring myself to watch.

girls just wanna have fun, John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 10:21am PT
Ed posted
Looks like Melania's transgressions are standard fare.

Thank you for clarifying the thought process employed to justify how we wound up with a Trump nomination.



Pestilence has struck at the RNC.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:30am PT
Boy, you Democrats are more open-minded than I. I can't bring myself to watch

I can't watch most of it. I watched Michele Obama's speech and Donald's intro. The rest was all doom and gloom.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:32am PT
Holy crap!

"At least a dozen California GOP staff members at the Republican National Convention have been quarantined in their hotel rooms after becoming ill with what appears to be a highly contagious norovirus, also known as the cruise-ship virus, according to officials from both the California GOP and local health agencies.

“It looks like norovirus,” said Pete Schade, the Erie County health commissioner. His department collected fecal samples from the afflicted staffers Tuesday morning and planned to take them to a state lab in the afternoon."



YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS SH#T UP.

Republicans get shtooped by Trump as their candidate, then get a swab up their arse at the RNC. Priceless!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:33am PT
If trump's people simply said "oops we fooked up" we would've passed the plagiarism thing's half life several hours ago. But because they double down on everything and never apologize, it's now overshadowing Day 2.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:40am PT
Trump is still trying to figure a way to Dump Pence

he hates Pence with a passion!

Can he still change VP picks before November?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:41am PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:43am PT
Hell yes he could, Craig.

Hell, he could easily dump the whole frickin' nomination with a big Eff Yew to the GOP.

Wouldn't be surprising at all if he just walked away from it all, as it becomes crystal clear he's headed for an utterly embarrassing defeat.

Narcissists hate that sh#t.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:53am PT
y from it all, as it becomes crystal clear he's headed for an utterly embarrassing defeat.

I have a healthy disdain for pollsters but surely they're not that far off in predicting a pretty
close race, or do you know something the rest of us don't?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:55am PT
Paul Montfort just blamed Clinton for Melandia speech.


WTF.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:55am PT
Anyone watch Hillary Clinton on the Charlie Rose show???...

Saw it this morning. She stuck it to Donald. And she did it in an adult manner. None of the childish cheap rhetoric that's become so commonplace in American politics.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:56am PT

You clowns are worst then Trump.

You repeat the same stupid garbage 13 thousand times in a row over and over every day all day long.

Nutcases ......






hey Werner you should ask Craig fry about his plagiarized guide book!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:58am PT
Hey Craig.

You forgot about the theological liberals.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:04am PT
Man, pyro...just can't stay on topic, can you?

Does it feel like....

...maybe....
















































apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:09am PT
No? How about this, then...


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:10am PT
John posted
Boy, you Democrats are more open-minded than I. I can't bring myself to watch.

It's not our house burning down (yet)





Ed- Do you really believe that cartoon? Have you ever tried disagreeing with a devout evangelical, catholic or mormon?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:17am PT
but surely they're not that far off in predicting a pretty
close race, or do you know something the rest of us don't?

Reilly,

it is not "close"

the Presidency is determined by which candidate can get to at least 270 Electoral Votes

and the polling in the critical swing states shows Hillary Clinton with a small, not tiny,
very stable, solid lead

if the election were held today she would likely swamp Trump by over 140 "excess" Electoral Votes
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:19am PT
Ed- Do you really believe that cartoon?

Not really. But the last frame had a ring of truth. Leftwing intolerance is on the rise. Not as bad as rightwing intolerance. But the gap is shrinking.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:23am PT
“I went to an Ivy League school.  I’m very highly educated.  I know words.  I have the best words,”


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:25am PT
Republicans are now blaming Hillary Clinton for making Malania plagiarize Obama's speech and are using Twilight Sparkle Pony to dismiss the charges.


Nothing matters...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:29am PT
Norton posted
Reilly,

it is not "close"

the Presidency is determined by which candidate can get to at least 270 Electoral Votes

and the polling in the critical swing states shows Hillary Clinton with a small, not tiny,
very stable, solid lead

if the election were held today she would likely swamp Trump by over 140 "excess" Electoral Votes


Election Update: Clinton’s Lead Is As Safe As Kerry’s Was In 2004

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:30am PT
Further evidence that there is no difference between Republicrats and Demotards.....

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:41am PT
When you got nuthin', all you can do is steal from others, Esco...
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:44am PT
from your link, HDDJ

But Clinton remains ahead of Trump in the clear majority of polls. She leads by about the same margin that Barack Obama did heading into the conventions in 2008, and by a somewhat larger margin than Obama did in 2012.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:45am PT
It did get a little uncomfortable when Melania started talking about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton.....
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:47am PT
Norton:
Based on the polls, we think the model is setting those odds about right. The race is a long way from being a toss-up, but a 3 or 4 percentage point lead heading into the conventions isn’t all that reliable, either. While Obama won twice with pre-convention leads of about that margin, John Kerry went into his convention with a lead of about 3 percentage points in 2004, but lost to George W. Bush. And in 2000, Bush had about a 4-point lead on the eve of the conventions, but lost the popular vote to Al Gore. (Bush won the Electoral College, of course.)

The point is that things are closer than you're making them sound.


Though Trump seems intent on making you right: http://time.com/4413148/republican-convention-donald-trump-corporate-donors/

On a bright sunny Tuesday morning, the Trump Leadership Council gathered at FirstEnergy Stadium for their second official meeting. The group of 40 CEOs and top executives had flown to Cleveland to attend the Republican National Convention and meet with the nominee presumptive, billionaire businessman Donald Trump.

This was the second meeting of the council; the first convening happened a few weeks ago with the nominee presumptive at Trump Tower in New York. The companies represented were there to ostensibly advise Trump on 10 business sectors, such as transportation, healthcare, etc. But it was understood that each of the companies had either already donated money to his campaign, or would in the future—and most were sponsoring convention-related events in Cleveland, according to three people involved in the council.

The group of 40 from companies such as Continental Resources, BNSF Railway and C Spire mingled with Republican members of Congress around breakfast tables set up on one of the stadium’s concourses. The Republican representatives addressed the group, ostensibly stalling for Trump. Rep. Tom Price from Georgia mentioned the plagiarism scandal over Trump’s wife Melania’s speech the evening before. Price blamed the liberal media, who he said, had made the whole thing up, according to people present.

Eventually, though, the speeches ran out and Trump never showed. He had, they found out later, unexpectedly flown back to New York overnight with no word on when he might return. The group was led out to the football field, where NFL champions the Cleveland Browns play, to take pictures before they were let go with no information about when and if a third meeting might take place.






Escopeta posted
It did get a little uncomfortable when Melania started talking about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton.....


That was a pretty meta joke right there seeing as how you plagiarized Michael Crowley:

dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:49am PT
Polls aside, there are other differences too, hddj.

Bush ran a very good campaign in 2004.

By any objective measure, trump's campaign is a train wreck in terms of staffing, funding and organization. And of course, the man in charge is stubborn and kind of nuts and unlikely to substantially right the ship before November. In contrast, Hillary seems to be running a normal, competent campaign.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:53am PT
So you're saying that Trump with a sh#t campaign lagging by the same amount as Bush with a good campaign in 2004 is supposed to be a comforting idea?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:56am PT
No, I'd say that in the vein of what Nate Silver tries to point out in that piece, the post-convention polling is where things will get lots clearer. Bush's campaign was well-run...Trump's notsomuch....which could impact the post-convention direction quite substantially.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:57am PT
Yep hddj. The general election is still in its early stages, and she has resources to stage a rebound. Also, In a close election he's going to have a tough time mustering enough staff to get asses to the polls to vote.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:59am PT
Here's another to pay atten to going forward...

Who Will Be President?


Today...
Hillary Clinton has about a 76% chance of winning the presidency

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
Yep hddj. The general election is still in its early stages, and she has resources to stage a rebound. Also, In a close election he's going to have a tough time mustering enough staff to get asses to the polls to vote.

I was being facetious. There are plenty of "reasons" why Clinton should be able to win. There are plenty of "reasons" why Trump should never have gotten this far.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
The pollsters were pretty confident that Britain would not Brexit, too.
I wouldn't be too comfortable with a 'projected' 3% margin. Jess sayin'.
I sure as hell wouldn't be crowing about a beat down. A lot of blue
collar dems like The Donald's NAFTA bashing, etc.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:12pm PT
You should read that 538 piece, Reilly. And maybe the NYT piece, too.
F

climber
away from the ground
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
Now I want to hear 'Lil Bang Bangs My Little Pony defense for his rip-off.
You know he wasn't at the convention listening to M.T. because they decided to violate his basic human rights by NOT allowing open carry.
Poor little guy. Nothing to do all day but use the Internet as a text generator for his crusade against hypothetical tyranny.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
Here's a good story on the concurrent RNC "Shadow Convention:" http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/rnc-2016-gop-republican-party-leaders-future-donald-trump-214065#ixzz4ErERalNy%20
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:18pm PT
Ap, I'm just gonna wait for November and the Fat Lady.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
I stand by my factual examination of the polls that IF the election were held today that Hillary Clinton would womp Trump in the Electoral College Vote Count.

Doesn't matter if the polls in the swing states show her ahead by 3 or 7, she leads.



There are plenty of "reasons" why Trump should never have gotten this far.

true only if Old Man Conventional Wisdom was to be believed

but then he is the same wise old sage who maintained for 70 years that a rising national debt would absolutely mean rising interest rates, how emphatically wrong he was

fact is, the rise of the Tea Party back in 2010 was clear warning that the base of the Republican Party had changed, into exactly who now will vote for him, and lose, in Nov
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
Looks like you've checked your email today, Cosmic.

I won't bother looking at the source of that transparent attempt at GOP whacknut retribution, but regardless...was Melania's plagiarism really acceptable?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
Cosmic- Other issues aside, are you saying that plagiarism doesn't matter? Your candidate's team wrote a speech lauding your candidate's trustworthiness, honesty and high character that included those very passages lifted from a speech about the Great Kenyan Satan. You don't see even a little bit of irony there? Or are you so easily placated with some "everybody does it" videos?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:34pm PT
many people who would never admit it....

exit polling showed millions did not vote for President Obama because he was "black"

no doubt millions of men will never vote for a woman for President

maybe they have a shitty marriage themselves, among other reasons

it is not politically correct nowadays to admit to being a racist or bigot

on account of most everyone will conclude you are bullheadedly ignorant

and that secret is best kept to oneself
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:36pm PT
Hey F,

Pigeon hunt tomorrow. You in?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
exit polling showed millions did not vote for President Obama because he was "black"

I'd like to see some of those exit polls.

How about a couple of links?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
How about you act like an adult ?

Too lazy to figure out how Google wirks?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:51pm PT
Norton

Social climber

Jul 19, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
How about you act like an adult ?

Too lazy to figure out how Google wirks?

Nice backpedal.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:56pm PT
The Rude Pundit
RNC Day One: Random Observations on a Pathetic Parade
7/19/2016


2. The most appalling sight of the appalling evening was Pat Smith, mother of Sean Smith, who was killed in the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Smith has long been on a tear to get at some kind of truth for her child's death over what she claims she was told by Hillary Clinton at a memorial for her son, that an anti-Muslim video caused the attack. Frankly, it doesn't matter if it was an anti-Muslim video, a planned terrorist attack, or goats with guns. None of those would bring back her son, but, hey, f*#k that Hillary. So Trump had Smith go out and speak to the delegates, many of whom, probably drunk, started crying watching this obviously grieving and Valiumed to the gills woman try to make policy from her pain. Which was more disgusting is up for grabs. "I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son. That's personally," Smith said, as if Clinton had gone to Benghazi and put a bullet in her son's skull. But the bloodlust was rising as outrage grew among the idiot hordes on the floor, an outrage that never f*#king occurred at the Republican Convention in 2004 when the man who was president during the 9/11 attacks took the stage. Smith put a bow on it by saying, "Hillary for prison. She deserves to be in stripes." Then she turned around, confused, wondering where she should go, lost, with seemingly no one to guide her away.

2a. Oh, wait. The most disgusting thing was that Donald Trump called into Bill O'Reilly's Crematorium of Reality on Fox "news" at the same time as Smith's speech, which meant that he wasn't even watching it.

3. It doesn't f*#king matter if Melania Trump speaks six languages, as Trump lackeys kept telling us today. It doesn't f*#king matter that she spoke at the convention without shitting herself, as if that was the measure of quality. Part of her generally terrible, platitudinous, vacuous speech was plagiarized. Purely and simply, two paragraphs of it came from Michelle Obama's amazing 2008 convention speech. Using my crazy English professor skills, I know from plagiarism. If a student had written that in my class, I would make them scrap that paper and start from scratch as punishment. (Others would look to have the student drummed out or at least fail the class, but I'm not a dick.) And the Trump campaign, which shouldn't have pushed Ms. Trump to speak when she reportedly didn't want to, which should have anally probed the speech for problems no matter who wrote it, should just admit it f*#ked up and stop trying to bend the truth to its will. That's totalitarian bullsh#t, man. That's 2+2=5 and you're a traitor if you think otherwise.

3a. Bonus points to dunderheaded conservative commentator S.E. Cupp on CNN, who said of Melania Trump's speech, "I don't really see a bad ending to however this goes for her tonight." Punditry at its best.

4. But, honestly, the plagiarism is the least of the sins of the evening, which included parading out people whose loved ones were killed by undocumented immigrants. What the f*#k are we supposed to do with that? Oh, hey, how about countering with the undocumented man who saved a young girl from abduction? Or the one who helped save the life of a 9 year-old boy in an auto accident in the desert? Those are children who likely would have been dead or seriously harmed without the intervention of an undocumented immigrant. Should they speak at the Democratic convention? No, because this whole f*#king argument is dumb and besides the point. All Trump wanted to tell the idiot hordes on the floor and at home is that "illegal aliens" will f*#king murder you where you sit because they are naturally evil.

4a. Let's not even talk about Chachi.

5. No one represented the insane asylum that is the modern GOP more than former New York City mayor and man most likely to send back a half-eaten steak and claim it wasn't properly cooked, Rudy Giuliani. Gesturing wildly, screaming, and jumping around like a pug on PCP, Giuliani warned us that the country has become something it quite demonstrably has not. "The vast majority of Americans today do not feel safe. They fear for their children. They fear for themselves," he said, and the only response is "Motherf*#ker, we're only afraid because you keep telling us to be afraid. Crime is down, jobs are up, and more people can get medical care than ever. All the sh#t that's bad - income distribution, guns everywhere - that's on you Republican spoogerags." On and on Rudy went, in that man-cunt way of his, where everything is sh#t and Barack Obama is a fey demi-man who won't keep you safe and Hillary Clinton is a cold-blooded bitch who murders soldiers and only one man can save us from choking on our own vomit as we're raped by Muslims in our homes and that man is Donald Trump, who is qualified to do this because he got building plans past zoning commissions. Or something. F*#king ridiculous.

6. We've got three more days of this. Three more days of hearing about how Benghazi was the worst crime in the U.S. history. Three more days of people trying to tell us that a bloated pile of sh#t topped with orange cotton candy is the superhero American needs. As we wallow in the easily understood plagiarism nonsense, we can ignore the racism, the xenophobia, the misogyny, the hate, emanating from the convention center like a sh#t smell from a diaper.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:59pm PT
At this point in time it is more than likely that all the words that can possibly be said have been said in all the ways that they can possibly be said.

Actually that sentence was the last one
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:02pm PT
I don't know who has this so called "fear"

I sure don't

Republicans do, they are fearful by their very nature,
that's why they make lousy climbers, too fearful
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
Fear. Its what's for breakfast.

Hooray Media!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:12pm PT
Science prevails....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/math-melania-trump-plagiarism_us_578e66bbe4b04ca54ebef2b6?section=



DMT, did you chase Klimmer away?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:13pm PT
Overwatch chased Klimmer away

He was fed up of the bible thumper's for Trump meme
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:15pm PT
Happens here on this board with every major world event. Blame is often assigned before the dead bodies have even begun to cool.

Is this material for a Geico commercial? "If you're on ST, you assign blame before the bodies cool. That's what you do. If you want to save 15% on your car insurance. . . ."

John
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:22pm PT
DMT wrote: Did you nephilite today?


No, I'm having a conflict on what to be today, angel or demon?
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:26pm PT
It did get a little uncomfortable when Melania started talking about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton.....

Esco for the win today!

edit: Esco plagiarized that! Nothing is sacred.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:27pm PT
"You didn't write that" lol
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:32pm PT
DMT wrote: Did you nephilite today?


No, I'm having a conflict on what to be today, angel or demon?

Good one, Bob! It's both funny and demonstrates theological knowledge (though I'm not sure DMT got the singular of nephilim right -- mainly because I don't think I've ever seen the singular of nephilim used in a sentence before.)

John
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
DMT wrote: Did you nephilite today?

It sounds funny
But I don't get it
can you fill in the missing info please
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:37pm PT
Its a verb.

DMT

Are you sure it's not a mineral?

John
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:40pm PT
DMT wrote: Did you nephilite today?



Did you Klimmer today?

:-)
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
I doubt anything I could say would chase that guy away, he was nothing but determined
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:48pm PT
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:49pm PT
Cosmic,

I think your sister was in that class. ^^^^^^^^^^
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 01:55pm PT
Nephilites are a race of half breeds of angel and human, demons and humans, immortal beings which give morals the nudge to do heroic or demonic actions.

Genisis chapter 6 vs 4

4 In those days, and for some time after, giant Nephilites lived on the earth, for whenever the sons of God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient times.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 02:37pm PT
Love it!


Hillary Clinton is a cold-blooded bitch who murders soldiers and only one man can save us from choking on our own vomit as we're raped by Muslims in our homes and that man is Donald Trump, who is qualified to do this because he got building plans past zoning commissions.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
That's hilarious, Ken. Where did you find that?

John
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 02:59pm PT
JE
Burn!

That was from my post
The Rude Pundit
2 pages back

what? you didn't read it
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:02pm PT
Craig does occasionally have some first-rate links!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
Ya gotta admit that Boris Johnson's description of Hillary as a "sadistic nurse"
is pretty demeaning to nurses.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
For John

The Rude Pundit

**Your Disagreement with Ruth Bader Ginsburg Is Duly Noted;Now Go f*#k Yourselves**

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

Supreme Court Justice and noted kicker of asses Ruth Bader Ginsburg was asked point blank in an interview with the AP about the possibility of Donald Trump being elected president. "I don't want to think about that possibility, but if it should be, then everything is up for grabs," she responded. Holy f*#king shitballs, you'd've thought she said that she wants to shank Trump in an alley and laugh while he bleeds. Instead, she was referring quite clearly to the Supreme Court since the interview was about, well, sh#t, the Supreme Court.

In fact, when she was being interviewed a couple of days later by the New York Times, she clarified what a Trump victory could mean: "For the country, it could be four years. For the court, it could be — I don’t even want to contemplate that." She added that her now-deceased husband once said something that might be apropos: "Now it’s time for us to move to New Zealand."

And that was it. The universe collapsed into itself because a Supreme Court justice had an opinion about the future of the Supreme Court and, therefore, the country. Right Blogsylvania and Nutso Twitterati went ballistic, and, of course, Herr Trump had to tweet some goddamn thing. Then, God love her, Ginsburg was asked again about Trump on CNN on Monday, and she showed that she has run clean out of f*#ks to give when it comes to that walking, talking monkey dick of a man. She said, "He is a faker...He has no consistency about him. He says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He really has an ego." And she wondered where the f*#k his tax returns are before wiggling her pinkie and saying, "His dick must be sooo tiny." (Not really, but that would have been awesome.)

Major news organizations have been scolding Ginsburg, apparently forgetting that Antonin Scalia routinely raked President Obama and his administration over the coals in very personal terms in his rantingly mad opinions and in oral arguments. This is not to mention Samuel "Rollin' Eyes" Alito mouthing, "Not true" during the 2010 State of the Union address. The Times nags, "Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg needs to drop the political punditry and the name-calling." The Washington Post piled on, "Justice Ginsburg’s off-the-cuff remarks about the campaign fall into that limited category of candor that we can’t admire, because it’s inconsistent with her function in our democratic system." Fox "news" has a piece that helpfully informs us that you need to impeach a justice to remove her.

That's great, gang. Now go f*#k yourselves. Why do you think Ginsburg chose to enter this fray? She could have very easily demurred on the questions, slapped away the bait and swam on.

Maybe, just maybe it's because someone who is now on her third president while in the Supreme Court, who kept her opinions to the issues at the bench during the reign of George W. Bush, who was pals with the vile conservative Antonin Scalia, knows when something is so f*#king evil and awful that you are doing harm by being silent. Maybe, just maybe she doesn't want the Court to be filled with boobs and buffoons and Alitos and Thomases, all there to do the bidding of their Trumpish overlord. Maybe she sees her role as a guardian of democracy and doesn't want to see it undermined, that an extraordinary election calls for an extraordinary response. Or perhaps the Court is as much a political entity as any other, as Republicans are demonstrating quite clearly in not even allowing a hearing and a vote on the nomination of Merrick Garland because of some bullshit new rule they pulled out of their asses.

So Ginsburg is being open and honest as a goddamned warning to the nation: This is a dangerous path. Here there be monstrous decisions that will devour your children. Turn back while you still have the chance, America.

Frankly, it's heroic of her in this age of nonstop ragegasms in social and other media to insist that we have some f*#kin' standards as a nation. Ginsburg is the knight and our stupidity is the dragon. Slay away.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:27pm PT
WA Post:

First, there was the intrigue of Trump’s 11th-hour waffling over one of the most important decisions that any presidential candidate has to make.

Then came the formal vice-presidential unveiling itself, at a bizarre event dominated by Trump’s stream-of-consciousness ramblings about Clinton, his Republican primary battles and a host of issues that seemed to have little to do with Pence, who stood offstage.

Even the atmospherics were off, with dim lighting and the strange choice of the Rolling Stones’ “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” as the music to which Trump entered the event.

I can't believe they would have done that. Unreal!
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:33pm PT
Fear is something born in childhood, based on the circumstances of how we are raised, the values we absorb from our parents, who by definition become our perfect examples of what it means to love, to relate to other humans... if that model is messed up it takes a lot of unlearning to get over it. People don't usually change in these fundamental elements of their identity unless they are very smart and courageous have some major event or access to information that motivates them to reflect and change. Even then it is difficult.


People who are afraid of losing power, jobs, security, familiar ways of life... these people need reassurance, not someone to tell them how stupid they are. Expressing outrage and belittling these people is just going to make them more entrenched in their fear-based position.

It makes them more vulnerable to manipulators like Trump who create an illusion of safety and familiar status quo and power, built by unifying a community around blaming targeted groups, e.g. immigrants, minorities, women, atheists, ....

So die-hard Democrats should consider the role they have in shaping the environment where the unthinkable President Trump is possible.

(edit, I added:)We live in an age where Truth matters less than how a candidate makes people feel in the short term.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:34pm PT
Don't forget Guyman

I'm worried that if Trump wins, they will have to shut down Stoney Point due to lack of city funds after the Porn Industry craters.
That's what the City is known for, the "Porn Capital of the World"

What will all those Stoney Repubs do w/o their local sand box to play in?

Making Porn illegal is on the Top of the GOP Platform,
it's listed before the Wall
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
People who are afraid of losing power, jobs, security, familiar ways of life... these people need reassurance, not someone to tell them how stupid they are. Expressing outrage and belittling these people is just going to make them more entrenched in their fear-based position.

It makes them more vulnerable to manipulators like Trump who create an illusion of safety and familiar status quo and power, built by unifying a community around blaming targeted groups, e.g. immigrants, minorities, women, atheists, ....

So die-hard Democrats should consider the role they have in shaping the environment where the unthinkable President Trump is possible.

This is so true, and one of the major reasons that the Repubs remain competitive at so many levels, when they should not. They understand the messaging, the democrats do not.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:46pm PT
Check it out! The neocons are already planning a coup if Trump wins!
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kirchick-trump-coup-20160719-snap-story.html

From the Foreign Policy Initiative:
Americans viewing the recent failed coup attempt in Turkey as some exotic foreign news story -- the latest, violent yet hardly unusual political development to occur in a region constantly beset by turmoil -- should pause to consider that the prospect of similar instability would not be unfathomable in this country if Donald Trump were to win the presidency.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 03:54pm PT
They will plan a coup if Hillary wins as well

Nothing will make them happy, except maybe Satan in the flesh

that is, as long as he isn't Ted Cruz
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
So die-hard Democrats should consider the role they have in shaping the environment where the unthinkable President Trump is possible.

ok, I have to admit that I have no idea what the above means, someone help me

how in the world did "die-hard Democrats" enable or somehow have anything to do with the REPUBLICAN BASE voting for Trump in the Primaries?

how did Democrats, and not a long list of Republican policies and statements give rise to the Tea Party and now Donald Trump?

gee and I this time I thought it was Republicans who created and fostered the atmosphere that allowed an ignorant, racist, prick like Trump to become their nominee

so, so help me out, how did Democrats enable the coming of Trump?
F

climber
away from the ground
Jul 19, 2016 - 04:23pm PT



Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho

Jul 19, 2016 - 12:36pm PT
Hey F,

Pigeon hunt tomorrow. You in?

Sorry, sugar tits, I can't make it.
I'm going to climb some sweet granite splitters in the sunshine with my beautiful woman.
Remember when you used to go climbing?
You know, before you became a one man internet army defending us from the scourge of hypothetical tyranny that is sure to befall civilization any second now?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 04:24pm PT
I have to admit that I have no idea what the above means

What a surprise.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 04:52pm PT
I think Bob and most other Dems are really in a bad place. Look at Bob's last post!

ReallY? Melania is going for a tranny vote of something? The LGBT thing?

I don't think so.

Political correctness is the 'eye of the beholder'. When you alter the way you have to view things. it alters all. You lose you're mind. Reality becomes unreal. Bizarre political correctness becomes the norm and reality is suspended. Most people ARE NOT politically correct. Even here in Calif.

But they've been beaten down pretty hard by Gavin, Jerry, Kamala, and the cabal of ultra-leftists killing Calif.

The libs have lost it. But I think it will get much worse. The desperation phase has not been seen yet.

It will be embarrassing. To themselves.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:12pm PT
Remember that Iraqi propaganda minister who denied Baghdad was being attacked even though we could hear gunfire in the background?

The doubled-down stupidity of the GOP denials flying in the face of the blatant fact that those lines were copied from someone else's speech reminds me of that guy.

I wasn't particularly concerned about the "plagiarism", it was amusing that she copied lines about integrity from someone else but it's not as if she was writing a PhD thesis or claiming credit for someone else's work, I wouldn't expect anyone to write such a speech without help. The complete and utter disconnect from reality of GOP operatives and supporters is by far the most troubling aspect of this.

TE
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
Mitch McConeell is speaking.

I'm going to go puke real fast, I'll be back....

Trump-haters can go f*#k off. That includes McConnell. But not Ryan. Paul is not that stupid, but prolly just knows where the bread is buttered in the future.

Trump, and conservatives like me, not Republicans, have taken names and we will remember where everybody stood on this side of the aisle.

Not in an aggressive way. But you have lost credibility. Either unite behind Trump, or become a Democrat. You are damaging the country with your "pure conscience".

You think you're the only one with conservative values and morals??? I choose somebody who selects a conservative team to guide him.

Cruz lost, man! It' over. If the stupid conscientious Cruz people would help Trump, they may get half of their platform. Is that good enough?

No. The cruz people are the ones killing the Repub party. Them and all the old hacks. The Roves, Bushes, and the rest...

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
I wasn't particularly concerned about the "plagiarism", it was amusing that she copied lines about integrity from someone else but it's not as if she was writing a PhD thesis or claiming credit for someone else's work, I wouldn't expect anyone to write such a speech without help. The complete and utter disconnect from reality of GOP operatives and supporters is by far the most troubling aspect of this.

Yep, yep, yep!!! The speech writers should be fired!!! I can guarantee you Melania didn't write that, but was told that "this is good for you and the whole immigrant thing".

She's a solid gal, I can tell. She got f*#ked by speechwriters. I can also tell you that DJ prolly didn't go easy on those guys, "the way we used to handle this thing".

So stupid a mistake. They didn't run that speech through a plager-check APP or something? Or it was a mole. Still sucks. Bad vetting. Yer fired!
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:34pm PT
The Republican Party is the dead rat on the kitchen floor.

The only question is who will pick it up by the tail and throw it in the trash.



Bonus points if you can figure out the last time that line was used.

No cheating.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:37pm PT
I don't care, Lorenzo. What do base you analysis on, Melanias's speech? It's funny you don't say that about Hillary and the Dems after her verbal indightment by the FBI.

What signified the death of the Republican party, IYO? Don't play games, be clear.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:40pm PT
strange isn't this?

Melania Trump says she, not a speechwriter, wrote her speech, with a little bit of help

Hours before giving a speech at the Republican National Convention that has drawn charges of plagiarism, Melania Trump told TODAY she penned the address herself with very little help.

"I read it once over, and that's all because I wrote it with as little help as possible,'' she told TODAY's Matt Lauer in an exclusive interview on Monday.
\\

should someone be required to proofread her stuff to make sure she did not steal it?

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:46pm PT
should someone be required to proofread her stuff to make sure she did not steal it?

Yes. She is not use to what happens when you write a speech after looking at other speeches online.

Somebody should have been on this. I don't think it;s a huge injustice, but it's a bit sloppy.

I do not blame Melania. I blame Donald. He should have had hawks looking over her speech.

But then, he'd be called a "misogynist" again for not letting his lady speak her mind freely.

No win. Minor mistake. Nothing to see here, the Dems are reaching for trash....picking up garbage. Who said that???? No cheating either, because this apparently makes me look smarter than you? Guess away.


EDIT:
Political suicide by tea poisoning.

I love this. Tea-party dead? Tea party ruined the conservative movement....

You are blind, Johnson. The party started this deal, but it's getting more momentum now. And it's not an organized bunch of Tea-Party activists.

It's ordinary people who are starting to joing the Tea Partiers, they just don't know it because of f*#king ASSHOLES like you paint all Tea-Partiers as racist, white pricks.

This was the strategy with Trump too. Paint all his supporters as racist white people.

You will lose. Americans are not as stupid, or racist, as you think. They just want to work, buy houses, and raise families. In freedom.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 05:58pm PT
Read my previous post, previous page...
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:04pm PT
I do not blame Melania. I blame Donald. He should have had hawks looking over her speech.

But then, he'd be called a "misogynist" again for not letting his lady speak her mind freely.

No win. Minor mistake.

You are missing the point. The plagiarism wasn't a big deal, it was either naive incompetence if she wrote it herself, or incompetence or malicious subversion by a speechwriter if she didn't. Having swarms of GOP spokespersons denying that it was plagiarism isn't a momentary honest human mistake, it's emblematic of the Trump campaign and republican party approach to everything. DENY, DENY, DENY. LIE, LIE, LIE.

TE
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:07pm PT
Trump, and conservatives like me, not Republicans, have taken names and we will remember where everybody stood on this side of the aisle.

What? Are they going to be lined up against a wall?
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
Awful lot of heads exploding today.....
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
I just turned it on

and it was Mitch McConnell from the intro

I almost puked, just like my bro bluring
It was too much

I turned it back to Simpsons/South Park for regrounding
I will check the high lights later


I didn't include these on my most evil list posted yesterday
so the new list includes:
Mitch McConnell
Paul Ryan
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:25pm PT
lol.

In General,really...
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:27pm PT
Plaigerism? Oh my sweet Lord! (Sorry, that was bad)
The response by the professional Trump team has been pure Clintonian:
deny, dissemble, lie, and complain of gotchas by the media.
Con men are gonna con.

I hope that duck dynasty dude gets to be secretary of the interior

LMAO
Some funny pictures from several here today.
The jokes seem to write themselves.

Read something today along the lines of:
Maybe the plagiarism was intentional.
If the copied phrase wasn't noticed, nothing happens.
If the copied phrase was noticed,
it would lead to constant images of Melania on your screen.
Side-by-side youtube clips and pictures of Melania and Michelle.
The more images, the more they are associated with each other.


PS: George Harrison is still my favorite Beatle.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:28pm PT
lol...



Lennon.


Plaigerism......lol
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
"What signified the death of the Republican party, IYO? Don't play games, be clear."


Look in the mirror. It is the extremists like you that have taken over the party. Good riddance.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:16pm PT
Go donald trump JR...



I can relate were same generation..how kool..
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
Apparently DT Jr's extensive experience with being an 'average American' has led him to believe that one 'hangs concrete and pours sheetrock'.

Insert: DT Jr pic of him holding an amputated elephant's trunk, hoping he could have it sewn on to his body to make up for his inadequate manhood....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
Don King is a Trumpster?

Who'd a thunk it. On the other hand, a shuckster loves a good shuckster...
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:42pm PT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:52pm PT
Hey there's no film more apropos to this political time than The American President (1995). I was blown away at some of the pertinences, relevancies and parallelisms. Watch it (again?), see for yourself.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
What we have is the first real post-modern Presidential election. Neither candidate, but particularly Trump, speaks with any particular grounding in, or relation to, any objective truth.

John

Edit: Upon reflection, Clinton does, often, make statements with grounding in reality. Trump's stream of consciousness (so to speak) is something entirely different.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:58pm PT
So far, pretty tame stuff. You'd think Day 2 would be a little more spicy, considering there's a controversy to distance from.

No obvious gaffes...just average oatmeal. Bleh.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
Trump's sons (Douchbag Von F*#kface and Thurston Shitbag the 3rd,you'll recall) look like the date rapist in every after school special ever.

Bill Maher, tonight

(Retweets are not endorsements.)


...

Go ahead, watch the film The American President (1995) and then compare Donald Trump to Bob Rumson.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
Donnie Junior just nailed a homer. Ben Carson too.

Especially Donnie, though. You don't see him a lot. Parked it!!!

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
"Edit: Upon reflection, Clinton does, often, make statements with grounding in reality. Trump's stream of consciousness (so to speak) is something entirely different."


You think?? :-)



Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:15pm PT
My vote might go to Gary Johnson. It's interesting that the dissatisfaction with the major party candidates is so high that his polling numbers might be good enough to get him into the debates.

There are voters who truly support one or the other candidates, but a lot of voters are making their choice based on "never Trump" or "never Hillary". Sad state of affairs really. The election could actually hinge on their negatives rather than anything actually attractive about them.

I suspect this will be a low turnout election as many voters will just walk away in disgust. But then it's a long road to the voting.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:15pm PT
At least he's got a little dirt on his clothes for that one....
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
My vote might go to Gary Johnson.


Et tu? Why not just say you're not going to bother to vote? A protest vote? For what? 8 years of Hillary and then we bank on the as#@&%es in the RNC again??? They'll get it right this time?

I'm done waiting. I'll take what Trump is selling. And his family.

And if you vote for Hillary, you gotta live with that. I'm willing to stake my cred on Trump (FWIW). I'm on record.

EDIT:
Neither candidate, but particularly Trump, speaks with any particular grounding in, or relation to, any objective truth.

Like what? Immigration? Lying? What are you talking about as an 'objective truth'? Explain.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:30pm PT

The election could actually hinge on their negatives rather than anything actually attractive about them.

you haven't seen this comin? when we started voting in people that were actors,and popular. or for people jus cause their Black. or jus cause their a Woman, or cause they have good hair. what'cha think was comin next, eh pilgrim?
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
What's the matter Bluering, you afraid of a little individual liberty, expanded freedom and reduced government?

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:33pm PT

Ben Carson could easily play the Peter Sellers character, Chauncey Gardiner. He wouldn't even have to act."...

he'd make a good chicken-george too;)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:35pm PT
What's the matter Bluering, you afraid of a little individual liberty, expanded freedom and reduced government?

From who, Hillary? Are you crazy?? Or stupid?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:36pm PT

Neither candidate, but particularly Trump, speaks with any particular grounding in, or relation to, any objective truth.

and which politician ever does??
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
They both love Killing Elephants
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:39pm PT
THis is how people with nothing to offer, win elections.

Meet Norton. Propagandist for the Democratic Party. Make Goebbels real proud.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:42pm PT
Craig your gonna be the comics king for the next 8yrs ;)
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:44pm PT
Bluring,

There's only one candidate in this election that even gives lip service to the thought of a balanced fiscal policy, reduced government, limited foreign entanglements and expanded individual liberty.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:47pm PT
^^^yeah buy that's only directed to bill.

for the rest of us americans/sheeple it's get in line with your hand out
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:49pm PT
I'd like to ask moderates/conservatives how they feel Trump would be more dangerous than Hillary? Is it all just speculation about what he may do?

Hillary brings with with her a dangerous group of people. They do not have America's best interests in mind. Or yours.

I shudder at the notion of her as prez....

EDIT:

Bluring,

There's only one candidate in this election that even gives lip service to the thought of a balanced fiscal policy, reduced government, limited foreign entanglements and expanded individual liberty.


Don't say Johnson.....f*#k, can we talk about people with a chance of winning?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:50pm PT
I'd like to ask /moderates/conservatives how they feel Hillary would be more dangerous than Trump? Is it all just speculation about what he may do?

Trump brings with him a dangerous group of people. They do not have America's best interests in mind. Or yours.

I shudder at the notion of him as prez....
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:51pm PT
I dig the irony of Carson quoting Jefferson.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:54pm PT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:57pm PT

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:02pm PT
Et tu? Why not just say you're not going to bother to vote? A protest vote? For what? 8 years of Hillary and then we bank on the as#@&%es in the RNC again???

First off, being in CA, voting for Trump is a wasted vote. Face the facts, no matter what either of the candidates do Hillary takes this state. Thinking otherwise is dreaming.

Secondly, Trump and his people mishandle one easy play after another. Take the hubub about Melania's speech. I think she got sandbagged. She said she wrote the speech with as little help as possible. So someone in the organization (either a bonehead or a saboteur) comes to her and says "Great speech, but how about you add this in?" That's a little bit of help.

The problem is the Trump campaign's response. They should have come out right away and said "Yes, those are the First Lady's words and we apologize. Melania had nothing to gain and everything to lose by using these words, there are so many elegant ways to make those points. We are certain that those are not her words. We will find out how they got to her and we will make it public." Hey it worked for Biden and Obama. They came clean and the issue was over with almost immediately.

Instead they obfuscate and come up with bizarre and uncoordinated responses. Not promising for a Trump administration. And yes with his talk about tariffs, which will hurt the American middle class, I think he can do great harm. The last thing we need right now is another Herbert Hoover, also a successful businessman with no experience in government.

So thirdly, in this sh#t-show I have to vote my conscience.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:09pm PT
Don't say Johnson.....f*#k, can we talk about people with a chance of winning?

He certainly won't have a chance to win if people that want a better country are too scared to not vote for either Hillary or Drumph.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:10pm PT
First off, being in CA, voting for Trump is a wasted vote. Face the facts, no matter what either of the candidates do Hillary takes this state. Thinking otherwise is dreaming.

Ya never know. I'm a boy with a dream of a red California again. (It was, not so long ago)

Secondly, Trump and his people mishandle one easy play after another. Take the hubub about Melania's speech. I think she got sandbagged. She said she wrote the speech with as little help as possible. So someone in the organization (either a bonehead or a saboteur) comes to her and says "Great speech, but how about you add this in?" That's a little bit of help.

The problem is the Trump campaign's response. They should have come out right away and said "Yes, those are the First Lady's words and we apologize. Melania had nothing to gain and everything to lose by using these words, there are so many elegant ways to make those points. We are certain that those are not her words. We will find out how they got to her and we will make it public." Hey it worked for Biden and Obama. They came clean and the issue was over with almost immediately.

Hillary is better?

Instead they obfuscate and come up with bizarre and uncoordinated responses. Not promising for a Trump administration. And yes with his talk about tariffs, which will hurt the American middle class, I think he can do great harm. The last thing we need right now is another Herbert Hoover, also a successful businessman with no experience in government.

Hillary will be better?

So thirdly, in this sh#t-show I have to vote my conscience.


I guess so. I just cannot sit on the sideline and watch Hillary get elected. I'll openly advocate for Trump, someone who can beat her. "His talk about tariffs" I think is all much about nothing. He mentioned it once as a last resort.

He has some pretty smart guys like Steve Forbes and others advising him as well on trade policy. He talked about this once I saw. He said the same thing.

This seems to be a real thorn for some people too. I don't get it. I think it's an excuse.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
"I did the climb with as little help as possible" leaves a lot of wiggle room, eh?

It had to be malicious. We are agreed.

Trump himself? Methinks I've been trolled...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:16pm PT
There is zero chance she wrote her own speech. Zero.

do you think they'de still be talkin today about somethin she wrote yesterday?

you must not be paying close enough attention, SCANDAL thats what drives the eyes. more than a tight dress.


Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:17pm PT
Word is a couple of bush speech writers were originally going to help trumps wife. They ended up using an inside PR type person ironically named MacGyver.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:18pm PT
Ted Nuisance wearing an army fartigue....Get real...Nuisance is America's 2nd biggest poser behind Trump , your best buddy and the guy you'd love to have a beer with who would make your vato neighbors you pick up the tab... Build a wall and make the Slovenians pay for it...
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:20pm PT
bluering and everyone, let's rise above party-line squabbling and focus on issues.

Can you summarize the specific issues that are important to you, and how those issues shape your choices in this election?

Here are mine, ranked roughly in order:
 transparency in campaign finance (the details of ensuring ads remain truthful are too slippery to enforce)

 Break up "too big to fail" banks and improve consumer protections and disclosures regarding investment decisions. When institutions fail from small price fluctuations when they are too leveraged, company managers will take note and act accordingly, or at least have their skin in the game when they accept unreasonable risks.

 active policy to redistribute wealth from corporations and very wealthy folks, because concentrated ownership of automation technology is creating unemployment and lower class suffering while profits for rich people soar. This is not "fair" in the classical sense of getting to keep everything you earn, but we need a longer range plan that addresses reality, and wealth redistribution is a heck of a lot better than pitchforks and storming the Bastille round 2. Think of it like a Yates Screamer for our economy. It's a tax for getting to earn a profit in a stable society.

 leverage trade agreements to enforce working conditions and environmental laws that level the playing field with domestic requirements. When it comes to compromise here- Win/Win or no deal.

 Assume global warming is real and take major steps to mitigate it. I'd sure rather be wrong in this direction than doing nothing about it and being wrong on that side.

 reduce US involvement in international conflicts. Do not use our national assets and blood of our children to increase profits for private companies

 Dramatically increase federal research funding for basic sciences (NIH, NSF, DOE grants)

 Free preschool for kids 24+ months, funded by federal income tax, creating jobs for preschool educators and enabling parents to work in whatever their chosen field or even for minimum wage jobs. Today too many people choose to be unemployed because their earning potential and contribution to the economy is less than what it costs them to have a safe and trusted resource watch their kids

 National standardized tests for each K-12 grade level that clarify baseline requirements and measure on an even playing field the objective performance of our students. Regional electives/priorities are fine but a national common core should exist.

 Free national university system for students that meet entrance requirements (i.e. score on a national standardized test)

 Do not give away our national assets in the form of mining/mineral rights, petroleum rights, grazing rights, etc. to companies that take advantage of public lands. It is not "freedom" to let companies rape these resources

 path to decriminalizing illegal immigration. Keeping it criminal will not stop the problem- it will just stop us from taxing their income. We need to realistically assess the ways in which our economy depends on illegal immigrant labor for low costs. Our trade deal policy needs to ensure the same worker rights (including minimum livable wages) in our trading partner companies, in which case they will not be as motivated to try to get to America

 Preserve secular laws like women's right to choose their own life rather than bringing an unwanted child into the world.

That's enough for now.



Neither Democrats nor Republicans are in line with how I would like our country to function, but Democrats are closer in terms of policy platforms. Green Party is the best fit for me, but I have never been impressed with the candidates they field at the national level.


Our national focus on name-calling and personal insults in elections, and our appetite to accept politics divorced from fact and truth, is really embarrassing. It shows a sickness endemic in our society that cannot be compatible with leading the world in anything positive.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:25pm PT
He certainly won't have a chance to win if people that want a better country are too scared to not vote for either Hillary or Drumph.

Dude has to actually campaign and stuff. Get people's attention. Either run, or don't!!!

Dude has no chance, and it ain't because of anything I ever did or voted for, or didn't vote for. He's a loser! They need a better candidate, and keep in mind it has to sell well in all 50 States. Or most of them.

3rd party has a ways to go. In the mean time....
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:32pm PT
"His talk about tariffs" I think is all much about nothing. He mentioned it once as a last resort.

I respect your opinions but this is just not the case. He went on about tarrifs against China, getting in a trade war with Mexico, and all sorts of policies which will drive up prices on basic goods. He did this in every primary debate. China! China! Mexico!

The Federal Gov. punishing companies for moving their manufacturing out of the US? Where does the gov. get that power in the Constitution. That's a simple minded solution to a complex problem, and a solution which does no one any good.

Since true conservatism is dead in the Republican party, our last chance may be the Libertarian party. And they actually stand for personal liberty, as in You Own Yourself. And they don't get their nose all messed up by putting social issues ahead of policy.

I'm thinking that in this election the down ticket voting is the most important. If the Democrats take Congress and the White House they'll also have the Supreme Court. I would hope even the most died in the wool liberal might see the problem with that. Yeah I know, the thought will give them wet dreams.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:37pm PT
NUt AGian:

Manufacturing Jobs/Economy

Illegal Immigration resolution/Wall

Audit FED, take a serious look at debt. This will hurt. Interest rates will have to rise.

National Defense overhaul

Serious look into getting rid of some Federal Agencies. Some regulations will be revoked. Dept of Education should be axed. IRS? Yeah, reduced.

Simplified taxes. Lower overall rates.

Lower corporate taxes.

EDIT;
The Federal Gov. punishing companies for moving their manufacturing out of the US? Where does the gov. get that power in the Constitution. That's a simple minded solution to a complex problem, and a solution which does no one any good.

He can't do that. He says stuff and has to be explained, 'nah, can't do that'. And he rethinks it.

You are still basing your conclusion on something he can't do, and hasn't done. And I think has since walked way back.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:38pm PT
How does any of this effect Reilly's barren streetscape... Huh...?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:41pm PT

If the Democrats take Congress and the White House they'll also have the Supreme Court. I would hope even the most died in the wool liberal might see the problem with that. Yeah I know, the thought will give them wet dreams.

Same can be said of the repubs, Kris, but you know that.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:48pm PT
Yeah...The dominance , submission routine is totally old and worn out...
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:48pm PT
Automation technology is the wave of the future. While it obviously replaces humans on production lines, and soon, in the service industry, there is no denying the efficiency, and lower costs.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:51pm PT
JE wrote: "What we have is the first real post-modern Presidential election."

only if one is [too] simply equating post-modernity solely with a negation of any "objective" truth... while this is what the "holders" of "objective" truth would like to simplify it to, i'd argue that postmodernity is/was colored by a breakdown of trust in a singular truth and by an opposing increased interest in multiple truths... the point being that there are/were still, in general, perceived to be truths...



trump [and hillary as well] has moved far far beyond that and so while i agree that he in general does not concern himself with any level of objective [or subjective for that matter] truth, by the above perspective that does not mean he is characteristic of a post-modern present...



instead, i'd argue this election is representative of the sputtering of an attempt at a hypermodernity...

a hypermodern present where all boats continue to float upward - but only if they are yachts... a hypermodern present where the form [the derivative and the stock exchange to stick with an economic theme] has attempted to completely free itself from any substance [any type of an actual physical product and working class wages to name two economic complementaries]...



a hypermodernity embodied by one potential leader whose presented form* is completely detached from their objective historical function**

* [a call to prosecute an individual who compromised state secretes with the intention of informing the public, a call to "protect" the working and middle classes, a call for progressive identity based equality, the running for a party more typically associated with dove trending foreign policies and etc.]

** [an individual who risked state secrets in order to hide from freedom of information requirements, an individual who is part of a public "servant" class that has made millions including the giving of quarter million dollar sub quarter day speech/meetandgreet appearances, an individual history that has consistently been at the trailing edge of progressive identity based protections, a kissinger befriending potential leader who upon "directing" the killing of another leader laughingly and sociopathically said "we came, we saw, he died" and etc.]



and where the other potential leader embodies a neo-fascist reaction [to that hypermodern present] and who has only two consistent calls: one to nationalism and one to authoritarianism.



one candidate asks voters to find substance in a potential future that is almost completely detached from their personal objective history and the other candidate asks the voters to find substance in one man [himself] coupled with false remembrances of a collective history...



the point: we are far far beyond the kansas of post-modernity...



welcome to the future.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:55pm PT
^^^^

true.

and so it goes...

and so it goes...
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:58pm PT
Gary Johnson? Absolutely, and not as a protest vote.

"From remarks by Gary Johnson and William Weld, the Libertarian Party candidates for president and vice president, during an interview at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., on July 7 with Thomas Burr, the club's president:

Thomas Burr: So following on that, Governor, 10 percent doesn't get you elected president. So do you worry about being perceived as a spoiler to the major party candidates such as Ross Perot in '92 or Ralph Nader in 2000?

Gary Johnson: I will lose no sleep if that is the label given to me, and I will reiterate; this is a party that needs crashing.

William Weld: What's to spoil?

Mr. Johnson: What's to spoil? (Applause) . . .

Mr. Burr: Governor Johnson, we've had several questions submitted about this, so I'm just going to ask it. When was the last time you smoked or ingested marijuana?

Mr. Johnson: I did this about two months ago, it's been about two months. And when you tell the truth, really, you don't have anything to fear. I've always maintained that you should not be on the job impaired. Well, as of two months ago, really this is a 24/7 job running for president of the United States. And as president of the United States, that also is a 24/7 job. So in my lifetime, I think I have more than demonstrated my ability to be self disciplined. I haven't had a drink of alcohol in 29 years. I wasn't an alcoholic, it had everything to do with rock climbing and the immediacy of rock climbing and being the best you could possibly be. But this is the truth component that I think is really also lacking in politics.

Who would know that I ingested marijuana products two months ago? My best friends and if I'd have said, 'Hey, I don't use it, or I haven't used them,' my best friends would consider me a hypocrite. And I think hypocrisy is the one unforgivable in life. Doing one thing and saying another. (Applause)

Mr. Burr: Just to clarify, are you saying that if elected president, you would not ingest or smoke marijuana as president?

Mr. Johnson: That is correct, yes."

[Emphasis supplied.]

I wish we could elicit that level of candor from all the candidates.

John
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:12pm PT
ou are still basing your conclusion on something he can't do, and hasn't done.

Just about every President since FDR has expanded the use of executive orders, of found other novel ways to enhance executive power. The internment of the Japanese Americans was an executive order. Obama has taken the ball and run with it. What is to defend us from the next President taking it to he wall?

I understand your position, Clinton will be trouble. She has enriched herself taking money from foreign governments while in office as Secretary of State. That alone should disqualify her. And the fact that she could stand face to face, eye to eye, and tell the parents of men killed in Bengazi a bold faced lie just stops me in my tracks. I know, Bengazi is "old news", but that doesn't change the sociopathic tendencies that act revealed.

Where we disagree is that I can't imagine Trump in there either. So our only hope is to have a Republican Congress. Clinton will be a much better negotiator with Congress than "my way or the highway" Obama. So each side can get some of what they want but not all. And Trump basically has the Reps with their panties so far up their butts that they'll frustrate him any chance they can get. But then there's that business of exec orders no matter who wins.

I'm so sick of all of this I don't know why I'm even chatting about it. Cathartic I guess.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:29pm PT
There were a couple of great Samantha Bee programs about a month ago about Gary Johnson & the Libertarian Party. While there were potshots galore, Johnson does come across as actually relatively rational, honest, and self-effacing.

He's the most moderate of the Libertarians, which gives the rest of them fits, but he's balanced enough in those views that it just about works.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:31pm PT
I find it hard to believe that Hillary , not Barack Obama , ordered our military to stand down and let Stevens and his staff perish at the ambassadors outpost in Benghazi...? Seriously...? Any of you trumpy's have inside information on Hillary's classified emails...? Please share if you have any detailed information on the nature of these emails...?
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:48pm PT
http://benghazi.house.gov/NewInfo
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:50pm PT
Benghazi is a witch hunt--4 government employees killed in one of the most dangerous countries on the planet--sad, but it happens. How come no one talks about the 18 people killed in the US embassy in Yemen (2008) or the 63 people killed in the Beirut embassy in (1983--followed by 24 more killings in 1984)--oh yeah, the president in all of these instances was a republican. How about the 3000 people killed on 9/11 (yeah, republican)? There have been more congressional hearings about Benghazi than 9/11--WTF? Give me a f*#king break--Benghazi? What a load of horse $hit for the feeble minded.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:55pm PT
Pretty damning, johnnyrig, for a report that allegedly tells us nothing new, isn't it?

John
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:56pm PT
How come no one talks about the 18 people killed in the US embassy in Yemen (2008) or the 63 people killed in the Beirut embassy in (1983--followed by 24 more killings in 1984)--oh yeah, the president in all of these instances was a republican. How about the 3000 people killed on 9/11 (yeah, republican)?

Probably because our government didn't lie to our people about it.

john
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:57pm PT
^^^^Like 9/11?? You actually believe what you are writing?

'Probably because our government didn't lie to our people about it'

I say it's more likely the republicans have nothing real to offer--so they regurgitate this nonsense over and over and over until week minded fools start to believe it
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:09pm PT
^^^^Like 9/11?? You actually believe what you are writing?

Let's see. Our government said that hijackers affiliated with Al Qaida hijacked four passenger jets, flew one into the Pentagon, one into one of the World Trade Center towers, and another into the other World Trade Center tower, and that passengers apparently overcame the hijackers of the fourth plane, causing it to crash in Pennsylvania. Yes, I believe that.

The government told us the attack on Benghazi was a spontaneous response to a You Tube video much of the Libyan populace found offensive. That was a lie.

So yes, I believe what I wrote.

John
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:10pm PT
"Probably because our government didn't lie to our people about it.

john"


No never John, so right.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:11pm PT
Probably because our government didn't lie to our people about it.

The entire invasion of Iraq, leading to 4,000+ unnecessary American deaths was based on Republican lies. Give up on the bullshit already.

Curt
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:16pm PT
Benghazi will disappear as soon as Karl Rove deems it necessary and his submissive tools will chirp and quack in unison...
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:35pm PT
The government told us the attack on Benghazi was a spontaneous response to a You Tube video much of the Libyan populace found offensive. That was a lie.


When the event when down that is they thought. That narrative changed.


http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/


A lie is the 13 hours film, there was no stand down order.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:45pm PT
"Probably because our government didn't lie to our people about it."

Damn...walked right into that one, eh, John?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:57pm PT
Let's focus on Benghazi and forget the 3 thousand Americans who died in the WTC buildings when dunce boy Bush ignored FBI warnings about Al Quaeda hijacking airliners...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2016 - 04:53am PT
The economy sucks except for where Republican delegates live:

CLEVELAND — Tuesday night’s Republican convention theme will be Make America Work Again, echoing Donald Trump’s apocalyptic rhetoric about the U.S. economy under President Barack Obama. “The president has been regulating to death a free-market economy he doesn’t like and doesn’t understand,” the GOP platform declares. The delegates here have varying degrees of enthusiasm for Trump, but they all seem to agree the Obama economy is a ghastly mess.

Except for the economy wherever they happen to live.

“Actually, we’re doing great,” says Donna Gottschall, a human resources consultant in Greenville, S.C. “Employment’s up. Housing’s up. Everything’s green in Greenville!”

“Oh, yeah, unemployment is way down,” says Al Baldasaro, a state legislator and retired Marine from Londonderry, N.H. “Obviously, it’s gotten better.”

“Things are wonderful in our town,” says Ranae Lentz, a Republican county chair from Bellefontaine, Ohio. “We can’t fill all the job openings.”

Just as most Americans say they hate Congress but routinely vote for their local congressmen, most Republicans seem to detect a national economic malaise while — with some exceptions in places like coal country and the oil patch — touting the economic progress in their local communities. They square that circle in a variety of ways — crediting their Republican mayors and governors, accusing Obama of manipulating data, or citing legitimate weaknesses in the recovery from the Great Recession. But with unemployment down from 10 percent to less than 5 percent since late 2009, one of Trump’s many challenges will be convincing non-Republicans that America isn’t working even though nearly 15 million more Americans are.

Trump illustrated this problem last week when he introduced his running mate, Indiana Governor Mike Pence. He said the “primary reason” for his choice was that Indiana’s unemployment had dropped by 3.4 percentage points in four years under Pence, and that its labor force had grown, which he said was “very unusual” for a U.S. state.

“It’s always bad, down, down, down,” Trump said. “Down 40 percent, 50 percent, 60 percent in some cases.” In fact, the drop in Indiana’s unemployment almost perfectly mirrors the national trend. And the labor force has grown in all but nine states with the worst drop only 3 percentage points in oil-dependent North Dakota. In February 2009, Obama highlighted the free-falling economy he inherited by visiting Elkhart, Indiana, where unemployment was nearly 20 percent; he recently returned to Elkhart to highlight America’s recovery, and unemployment was 4 percent.

Still, in interviews in Cleveland, Republican delegates repeatedly described economic gains that seem ordinary in national context as hometown anomalies. Jeanita McNulty, a liaison for foreign exchange students in Blue Grass, Iowa, attributed the strong local labor market to a Republican governor and small-town values. “Iowans work hard,” she said. “There’s a lot of real pride in the Midwest.”
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 20, 2016 - 05:46am PT
Et tu? Why not just say you're not going to bother to vote?

He's going to vote for what he wants, not what he doesn't want. Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

I'm trying to decide between Gloria La Riva and Jill Stein.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:06am PT



HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2016 - 06:09am PT
Ed posted
"Facts"

Truthiness! Still the other red meat.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:12am PT
Not that I had any hope of bipartisan cooperation should Hillary win, but delegate chants of "lock her up" don't bode well. I expect congress to continue catering to the crazies.

Like so many GOP positions this one was fringe not so long ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/19/how-the-gop-stumbled-into-calling-for-hillary-clintons-imprisonment/


Isn't calling for the jailing of political opponents how dictatorships typically role?

Meanwhile, the coronation of the bigot continues.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2016 - 06:13am PT
http://www.theonion.com/article/trembling-pallid-rnc-attendees-undergo-second-day--53248


dirtbag posted
Isn't calling for the jailing of political opponents how dictatorships typically role?

The chanting is a bit mobish but let's be honest, people have been calling for the incarceration of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others since 2004. Making it the general these of your convention is definitely next level but we're talking about a group of people that trivialized Purple Heart winners when it served their purpose.



Here's some Pro Spin for you: Donald Trump's spokeswoman says Melania Trump "wanted to communicate to Americans in phrases they have heard before"

dirtbag

climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:17am PT
I haven't looked it up, but I'd wager this is the first convention where a featured speaker and former candidate linked the nominee from the opposing party to Satan.

You can always count on Carson for crazy, bless him.
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:38am PT
"Probably because our government didn't lie to our people about it.

john"

Because no one ever lied during the Reagan, Bush I or Bush II administrations right....HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
dirtbag

climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:44am PT
This convention really is a sh#t show. Yesterday was supposed to be about improving the economy, yet since the Ryan and Trump wings can't agree on how to do that, or intend to fully unite around their party's nominee, they resorted to the one thread that unites them: Hillary hatred. This is a serious sh#t show.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2016 - 07:06am PT
Ryan Bundy tried to break out of jail by tying his bedsheets together.

Federal prosecutors said Monday that Ryan Bundy tore his bed sheets and braided them together into 12–15 feet of rope in an attempt to escape Multnomah County Jail.

Bundy is at the jail awaiting trial for his role in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation earlier this year.

“We have actual evidence that he tried to escape,” Assistant U.S. Prosecutor Geoffrey Barrow told the court during a pre-trial detention hearing in Portland.

Barrow said jail staff found the braided rope under Bundy’s mattress when they searched his cell on April 8. Barrow also said Bundy had stored containers of extra food along with six pillowcases, a chair, two extra pairs of boxers and more torn sheets.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:10am PT
What about Bush's Stand Down Order during 9/11!!!!

Maybe if he was on top of things, he could have saved many 1000s that day.
He folded, he chocked, he didn't do a damn thing, he is personally responsible for everyone of those deaths that day.

What about the complete submission of the GOP to go along with the lies about WMDs!

They had real FABRUCATED Intel about the WMD and Saddam's plans for an attack on the US they were feeding the Congress!

Is fabricated intel of stock piles of WMDs a Lie??

Oh, and what about the financial collapse on Bush's watch?
Why didn't he warn us?
Why didn't he do something before to curb the damage???>?
Trillions lost because of Bush's Stand Down Order!



and was it a lie that the Gov. and Hillary told about Benghazi?
The person responsible for the Terrorist Attack said it was the video that initiated the attack,
how come you never believe him, the very person that did the Crime, why don't his words have any effect on your believes on the matter?
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:20am PT
Today should be even better. Sounds like Ted "Satan Incarnate" Cruz will have his convention moment...let the circus continue--sounds like Bundy was trying to get there too.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:20am PT
I have to go back and check, but didn't the bush administration ease sanctions on Libya because Kadafi was fighting terrorists?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:26am PT
UN sanctions were lifted on September 12, 2003, after Libya fulfilled all remaining UNSCR requirements pertaining to the Lockerbie bombing, including renunciation of terrorism, acceptance of responsibility for the actions of its officials, and payment of appropriate compensation to the victims' families.

Normalizing relations

After its public announcement of December, 2003, the Gaddafi government cooperated with the U.S., the U.K., the International Atomic Energy Agency, and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons toward these objectives. Libya also signed the IAEA Additional Protocol and has become a State Party to the Chemical Weapons Convention.

In recognition of these actions, the U.S. began the process of normalizing relations with Libya
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2016 - 07:27am PT
Are you or have you ever been a member of the Obama Administration?

If he wins the presidency, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump would seek to purge the federal government of officials appointed by Democratic President Barack Obama and could ask Congress to pass legislation making it easier to fire public workers, Trump ally, Chris Christie, said on Tuesday.

I hear "government purges" always go well.
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:33am PT
Amen to that, Dingus!
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:42am PT
Chris "GT" Christie--love it.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:45am PT
And another republican hypocrite.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/16/ryan_floods_district_with_deceptive_anti-amnesty_mailer/
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:57am PT
Who will win the presidency?

The numbers still look good at 62 and 38...

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:10am PT
given the emphatic shutting down of all the other political and gun threads..

the solution seems to be a separate Supertopo page for non climbing topics

does it cost money to set up another sub page?



EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:16am PT
given the emphatic shutting down of all the other political and gun threads..

the solution seems to be a separate Supertopo page for non climbing topics

Or not.

Derp.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2016 - 08:18am PT
Dingus posted
Well, in the silver lining category, Governor Christie is finished on the national stage. What a groveling tool.

He's either finished or will soon be Attorney General Christie. Last night was a pretty obvious audition for the post.


The band 'Third Eye Blind' was booked for the RNC, played none of their hits and then asked "who believes in science?" and crapped all over the RNC platform. They are responding to tweets about how disappointed people are with "good."

*edit* Looks like it was a show booked at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame only tangentially related to the convention, not the actual RNC.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:27am PT
The Trial of Hillary Clinton by Christy was the lowest point a National Party has ever gone in my lifetime.

It went like this;
Christy spouting some right wing lie about Hillary and asking the hoards of Hillary haters "Is she Guilty, or Not Guilty"

and they all chanted like Hitler youth "GUILTY"

and then the next lie
Guilty!

"Hillary killed those girls in Booko maroon"
GUILTY

Hillary is a Muslim Brotherhood member!
GUILTY

"burn the Witch"
"Hillary for Prison"
"She lies about everything"
"She hates America"
GUILTY

I don't think these people will ever come around
They are truly a divided race.
How will they make through a President Hillary?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:35am PT
I liked Christie, up until went all mean girl on Rubio. Now, he wants to be Trump's b!tch.

There should be a term similar to The Peter Principle, for the point when politicians go from being (mostly) decent human beings to scumbag sellouts.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:35am PT
They are truly a divided race.

lol
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:50am PT
"The band 'Third Eye Blind' was booked for the RNC, played none of their hits and then asked "who believes in science?" and crapped all over the RNC platform."


How many bands are in enough ideologic alignment with the GOP to allow them to use their music during their events?

Besides the obvious Turd Nugent, that is....


You listen to the various music that is played, and know damn well that most all of those bands wouldn't want to have anything to do with the GOP. Seems like the person who is responsible for choosing music must be operating by 'better to ask forgiveness than permission' strategy.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2016 - 08:54am PT
Trump wants to be President, he just doesn't want the job of President.

Donald Trump doesn’t want to be president — or, at least, he doesn’t want the responsibility.

That’s the way things look after the New York Times reported Wednesday that Donald Trump Jr. offered Gov. John Kasich (R-OH) the opportunity to be "the most powerful vice president in history" back in May.

According to a Kasich adviser who spoke with the Times, the younger Trump said that Kasich would be in charge of both domestic and foreign policy. And what would Donald Sr. be in charge of? "Making America great again."

........

Offering Kasich control of both foreign and domestic policy would leave Trump with little responsibility. He would be a figurehead, so to speak, but he would have the last word over any proposals thrown his way.

According to the Times, that’s pretty much how Trump went about deciding on a running mate anyway: He was presented with a list of 16 names, "perused it and, without suggesting any additions or deletions, nodded that it looked fine." After letting others do the hard work during the vetting process, Trump simply wanted to make the final decision.

Ultimately Kasich said no to the offer and refused to endorse Trump or attend the Republican National Convention in his own state. It’s not clear if Trump offered Pence the same powerful role he offered to Kasich.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:11am PT
Hottest Year on Record, so far!

First Half of 2016 Blows Away Temperature Records

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/first-half-of-2016-blows-away-temperature-records/

Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:26am PT
Tiffany was the couple’s only child.

Newspaper articles at the time of her birth reported that Trump named her after Tiffany & Company—yes, the jewelry brand—because his purchase of the air rights above the store in the 1980s allowed him to go on to build Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue. “She’s got mama’s legs,”

Trump told a TV interviewer of infant Tiffany in 1994. “We don’t know whether or not she’s got this part yet,” he added, cupping imaginary breasts, “but time will tell.”
dirtbag

climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:28am PT
It's curious that her speech last night omitted those details.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:31am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:35am PT
The story looks accurate. And it's an important story.

Too bad the writers felt the need to include a BS graph.

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:36am PT
Yah, that is too bad for you
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2016 - 09:37am PT
The strongest predictor of whether or not someone voted for Brexit was their stance on the death penalty.






Ed posted
Too bad the writers felt the need to include a BS graph.

Agreed. That graph looks bogus. Did it really jump .3 degrees from the end of 2015 to the beginning of 2016?

*edit* The graph doesn't match the NASA data at all.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:41am PT
Their age played a pretty strong role, too- older voters (those who would live the fewest years with the implications of Brexit) were overwhelmingly likely to vote for it, whereas younger voters (those would live much longer years with the implications of Brexit) overwhelmingly voted against Brexit.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:46am PT
Agreed. That graph looks bogus. Did it really jump .3 degrees from the end of 2015 to the beginning of 2016?

There was a huge spike in temps from 8/15 to 2/16. My criticism was that 6/16 was 0.02 degrees warmer than 6/15, yet the graph shows a difference of 0.25 degrees.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:47am PT
Famous Melania Trump 'quotes' (via Twitter):


"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." #FamousMelaniaTrumpQuotes

To be or not to be, that is the question. #FamousMelaniaTrumpQuotes

I have a dream. #FamousMelaniaTrumpQuotes

If it doesn't fit, you must acquit #FamousMelaniaTrumpQuotes

"Be the change you want to see in the world." #FamousMelaniaTrumpQuotes

I am slim shady yes I'm the real shady all you other slim shadys are just imitating #FamousMelaniaTrumpQuotes
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2016 - 09:51am PT
There was a huge spike in temps from 8/15 to 2/16. My criticism was that 6/16 was 0.02 degrees warmer than 6/15, yet the graph shows a difference of 0.25 degrees.

None of the numbers match the NASA data.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:51am PT
I am slim shady yes I'm the real shady all you other slim shadys are just imitating #FamousMelaniaTrumpQuotes

What next? Threats to Chelsea Clinton?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:52am PT
Melania did give full credit to her two speech writers, Copy and Paste
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:55am PT
thank God Little Eddy is here to suss out the BS graph

I would have thought is was Real
What was I thinking??

Thanks Dude
I owe you one
Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 10:19am PT
Wow

A problem with .25 of a degree

derp

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 20, 2016 - 10:38am PT
F*#k they are crazy to the core...http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-gops-preoccupation-imprisoning-clinton-isnt-normal?cid=sm_fb_maddow
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 20, 2016 - 11:09am PT
Wow

A problem with .25 of a degree

derp

Yeah, what's .25 degree in global warming terms.

Good Grief.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 11:09am PT
monolith

climber
state of being

Jul 20, 2016 - 10:14am PT

It's clearly labeled as year-to-date anomolies, Sketch. Nothing BS about it.

Let me know, Sketch, if you need further explanation.

Nice catch. My mistake. derp, derp, derp...

The graph shows a high of +1.48C (approximately). Please explain how they got that temperature.

monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 20, 2016 - 11:10am PT
The graph shows a high of +1.48C (approximately). Please explain how they got that temperature.

Er, um, because that was the 3 month average (Jan, Feb, March) at the time.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 11:14am PT
Er, um, because that was the 3 month average at the time.

Let's see the numbers.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 20, 2016 - 11:16am PT
LOL. I'm not your fetch boy.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 11:28am PT
Let me know, Sketch, if you need further explanation.

LOL. I'm not your fetch boy.

Nice backpedal.

-------------------------------------------------


Locker - I intend to vote for Hillary. She's better than Trump by most (maybe all) criteria.

But I'm conservative at heart. A moderate conservative. And the foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Trumpets are such easy targets.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 20, 2016 - 11:33am PT
Of course you would feel that way with your cherry picking, Sketch.

I gave you two correct explanations, and now you whine because I didn't fetch the data for you.

Dang you are funny, Sketch.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2016 - 11:54am PT
It can be confusing to figure out which side of the fence Edward T Sketch falls on...he does love to troll for reactions....
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 20, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
Vietnam vets for draft-dodging drumpf, lol. What a fukin buffoon. Hang your head in shame, cons, this is who represents your gay-hating, black fearing, wall-building, war mongering party of low-info mouth breathers. Hilary sucks,but orange drumpf is the epitome of the snake-oil salesman in the empty suit. Haha, he picked his lame-ass golf partner as his running mate. Pencis has a exemplary military record, right? Oh, that's right, he was against gays serving, although he himself never did. Need anymore be said? Can't wait to watch these clowns crawl back under the rock they slimed their way out of. Cankles in 2016!!!
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 20, 2016 - 12:17pm PT
New poll released: Shows Trump beating Hillary 55% to 27%. Major shift going on. I figure the Hillary cult is getting a little nervous.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 20, 2016 - 12:17pm PT
While you are being ET's fetch boy you might as well get your shinebox too.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
Source, trailridge?
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 20, 2016 - 12:32pm PT
Well...i might have made that one up, but figured it provide some new content

Wait for it......Found the source infowars.com
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 12:37pm PT
Who is the Sinaloa cartel pulling for?
c wilmot

climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
Clinton as an open border has been key to flooding the us with cheap heroin
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 12:57pm PT
monolith

I gave you two correct explanations, and now you whine because I didn't fetch the data for you.

Dang you are funny, Sketch.

Come on, mono. Instead of being a snarky little bitch, here's your chance to prove me wrong again.

Using the data from the two sources, I come up with +1.20C for March. Let's see the numbers for +1.48C.
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Jul 20, 2016 - 12:59pm PT
This is your Democracy, America. Cherish it!

From the "GOP Gone Wild" files, today's winner is Al "Bald Ass" Baldasaro of New Hampshire. Take it away, bald ass:

New Hampshire state Rep. Al Baldasaro, who is also a delegate for Trump from the Granite State, said in an interview that
“This whole thing disgusts me, Hillary Clinton should be put in the firing line and shot for treason,” he declared.


S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Jul 20, 2016 - 12:59pm PT
Clinton as an open border has been key to flooding the us with cheap heroin


And what would be the downside to her candidacy?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:01pm PT
And what would be the downside to her candidacy?

the downside is that Donald Trump will not be President

he is a man's man in the spirit of Father Knows Best and Leave It To Beaver
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:10pm PT
Good for you Sketch, you found some data all on your own.

Now what baseline period was your data using?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:23pm PT
Scott/NutAgain,

I like your approach of outlining what each of us finds important, even though my solutions differ on almost every point from yours. For me, the critical goals for the federal government remain those enumerated in the Preamble of the Constitution, to:

1. Form a more perfect union;
2. Establish justice;
3. Provide for the common defense;
4. Promote the general welfare; and
5. Insure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

To assist in reaching those goals, I would like to see the following changes, among many others, from current federal laws and policies;

Form a more perfect union:

  Reduction of "one-size-fits-all" mandates for returning money collected by the federal government to the states and, instead, returning that money with "no strings attached;" in order to allow the states to be the "laboratories of democracy."

Establish Justice

  Re-establishment of justice that produces the same outcomes regardless of a person's status. We should repeal all "hate crime" legislation. After all, how can any sentient being ask, with a straight face, whether a particular murder (definition: illegal homicide with malice aforethought) is or is not a hate crime?

  Increase funding and resources of the Federal Defenders' office. The resources available to federal prosecutors far exceed those available to the ordinary defendant, and have led to unjust plea bargains because the defendant could not afford the cost of a proper defense.

  Federal sentencing reform. Our penalties for drug use are notoriously harsh, and equally ineffective. The common practice of penalizing a defendant for going to trial (by imposing a much harsher sentence than that resulting from a guilty plea) needs to end.

  Requiring a mens rea for conviction of a federal crime.

Provide for the common defense

  Any policies affecting the armed forces should be based soley on their ability to maintain or increase the cost-effectiveness of the armed forces. "Political correctness" has no place there, but history suggests that elimination of unfair restrictions generally promotes increased effectiveness, so we need to recognize and combat the inherent bias against change.

  The War Powers Act needs to make it easier for the Presidnet to engage in emergency deployment of armed forces personnel, but harder for any other deployment without congressional assent.

  We need to end the "whatever it costs" mentality in military procurement and demand proper value. The Allies won World War II -- and the West won the Cold War (at least for now) -- because they could produce more efficiently than their enemies. The Tiger and Panther tanks could destroy a Sherman in single combat, but there were so many more Shermans, and they were so easy to fix, that they swallowed up the advantage individual German tanks had over the Shermans.

  in the same regard as the foregoing, we need to invest in improving our intelligence capabilities. Reliable intelligence will lead to less, but more effective, use of American force.

Promote the general welfare

  Continue to eliminate tariff and regulatory barriers to the free international movement of goods and services.

  Enact regulatory reform that recognizes that business is not the enemy. In that regard, repeal Dodd-Frank and eliminate the CFPB, and require that existing and future regulations, particularly for the EPA, SEC, NLRB and FCC be such that their marginal benefit exceeds their marginal cost.

  Reform our racist immigration policy, and provide a practical means for decriminalizing the presence of those who are currently in the United States illegally. To make this meaningful, however, we need to enforce our borders effectively.

  Reform our tax and spending to prevent the federal government from trying to pick winners and losers, because it does a rather poor job of it. Simplifying the tax code by eliminating any deduction that does not relate to proper accounting of income, and reduce marginal rates accordingly.

Insure the blessing of liberty to ourselves and our posterity

  Nomination and confirmation of federal justices and judges who treat the Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights, with respect. The Bill of Rights jurisprudence of the late Justice Black would be my touchstone there. Justice Ginsburg, who ignores provisions she doesn't like, would be the antithesis of this type of jurist.

  Protection of all of the clauses of the First Amendment, meaning freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly and of the right to petition the government, as well as both the disestablishment and the free exercise clauses.

  If you're really concerned about "getting money out of politics," you'll look at all the programs where the government takes money from one group and gives it to another, or places restrictions on one group of businesses, but not on competitors. That's the real "money in politics," not the cost of getting your message out.

At present, the Johnson/Weld ticket is the only one that comes close to those ideals.

John

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c wilmot

climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:27pm PT
How are our immigration laws racist? And how do you reform laws currently not enforced?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:30pm PT
c wilmot,

Our immigration laws are racist because a citizen's ability to reunite with members of his or her family depends on that citizen's race or ethnicity. I agree, hoaever, that without the ability to control our borders, immigration law is meaningless.

John
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:33pm PT
Clinton as an open border has been key to flooding the us with cheap heroin

Yeah, Reagan flying Medellin drugs in CIA planes while Bush was CIA director and supporting Afghan heroin drug lords against the Soviets, and Cocaine addicted George W. Allowing the same with drug lords fighting the Taliban had nothing to do with it.
c wilmot

climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
You mean they come illegally and complain
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
If immigration laws are such a raging priority for the GOP, why haven't Republicans introduced any significant legislation to do anything about it? (Rhetoric doesn't count.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:43pm PT
John, I find most of your proposals reasonable, and those I don't, negotiable. You appear to be a "mainstream" conservative in what you've written, all too rare these days.

I guess the problem with buying into that, is what one has to buy along with it.....the things you don't mention, and which is killing the GOP.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:45pm PT
You mean they come illegally and complain

No, I don't. In 1975, when the Lebanese Civil War broke out, I had three uncles, five aunts, and five first cousins living in Beirut. I am a native-born citizen. My mother was naturalized when I was three years old, in 1954. She had a brother, two sisters, two brother-in-law and three sisters-in-law (aforesaid aunts and uncles) there. She could not bring them to safety in the United States under our immigration laws because they were considered "Lebanese," and there was a relatively small quota for them. Had they been living in England, France, Germany or Scandinavia, however, there would have been no problem emigrating immediately.

This is not only a limitation on foreigners, this is a limiation on the right of citizens. None came here illegally. Rather, they waited in line, as shells were falling, for years before they could enter. My uncles' occupations were pharmacist, teacher, and tour guide. The tour guide and his wife emigrated in 1979 along with their son, my first cousin, who is a physics professor. They cost the United States nothing, and paid taxes for years. The others emigrated to France, or stayed in Beirut's devastation.

This isn't the gripe of those here illegally. It's the gripe of those who came legally, but had to wait an unconscionable time, compared with others of different ethnicity. If this isn't racism, what is it?

John

P. S.:

I guess the problem with buying into that, is what one has to buy along with it.....the things you don't mention, and which is killing the GOP.

If by that you mean the populism of the Trumpers, or the social restrictionism of the "Christian Right," you're correct, Ken. If Johnson and Weld can transform the Libertarians from proposing, e.g., eliminating the IRS and legalizing heroin, to more completely resembling the party of Lincoln, we may be getting a real improvement.

c wilmot

climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:46pm PT
Democrats blocked th bill to remove federal funding for " sanctuary cities" and being a citizen does not mean the rest of your tribe gets to follow cart blanch.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:47pm PT
Reform our racist immigration policy, and provide a practical means for decriminalizing the presence of those who are currently in the United States illegally. To make this meaningful, however, we need to enforce our borders effectively.

This seems reasonable on it's face, but the last sentence is the one that creates a veto on the process. The problem is how one interprets this.

For example, for most of the O'bama administration, the net number of illegals entering the country has been near zero. That sounds like effective enforcement of our borders, to me. Obviously it does not, to you.
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:52pm PT
"Reduction of "one-size-fits-all" mandates for returning money collected by the federal government to the states and, instead, returning that money with "no strings attached;" in order to allow the states to be the "laboratories of democracy."


Ok, so what happens when one of those "Labs of Democracy" tests out your favorite discredited Movement Conservative ideas, like the supply side Laffer curve voodoo,and it fails?

Take Kansas, as Example A. They have implemented a full blooded wingnut economic agenda since Sam Brownback became governor. Now, they are totally broke and financial situation is getting worse, school system unfunded, roads disintegrating, running a huge multi billion dollar deficit.

All because trickle down supply side featuring big tax cuts for the wealthy, has failed in Kansas, as any person marginally educated in economics could have told you would happen. So when both past and current evidence demonstrate that your "lab experiement" has failed, and the State still refuses to take a different course? Why should we continue to subsidize a flawed and failed ideology?

Your idea presumes honest and rational actors. The GOP are neither.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:55pm PT
This isn't the gripe of those here illegally. It's the gripe of those who came legally, but had to wait an unconscionable time, compared with others of different ethnicity. If this isn't racism, what is it?

\
Kind of kills the concept of someone earlier that said that claims of racism only come from liberals.

John, I don't have a definitive answer to your question, because I don't have access to the documents and policies involved.......however,

The case you made was not about people of different ethnicities, but of different nationalities. The relationship with said countries is dramatically different than lebanon, including trade, defense, etc. I would expect that we would have different quotas for countries that we have closer partnerships with....I'm also not sure that I am familiar with the "Lebanese Race"?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 01:59pm PT
Ken, the quotas were deterimined based on the ethnic and racial composition of the United States at the time the quotas went into effect. They made that determinatnion by country of origin, mainly in an effort to make it harder for southern Europeans, particularly Italians, to emigrate.

John
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 02:02pm PT
"Reduction of "one-size-fits-all" mandates for returning money collected by the federal government to the states and, instead, returning that money with "no strings attached;" in order to allow the states to be the "laboratories of democracy."

Because "no strings attached" translates into "no ethics involved".

I listened to a radio program the other day, that talked about welfare, that is administered as you suggest, via block grant. It gave a series of example of redirection of the welfare money to programs that benefited upper-middle class families instead of those in poverty, for which nothing was left. These problems were managed by Republican politicians.

http://www.scpr.org/programs/reveal/

A welfare check


Twenty years ago, President Bill Clinton vowed to end welfare as we know it. And he did.

Today, only a quarter of welfare dollars actually goes toward basic assistance – housing, transportation or essential household items. On this hour of Reveal, we take a road trip with Marketplace's new podcast "The Uncertain Hour" and find out the surprising ways different states use this money, for things such as relationship counseling and college tuition for well-off kids.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 02:04pm PT
Ken, the quotas were deterimined based on the ethnic and racial composition of the United States at the time the quotas went into effect. They made that determinatnion by country of origin, mainly in an effort to make it harder for southern Europeans, particularly Italians, to emigrate.

Are not Lebanese caucasians? I'm certain that Italians are.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 02:07pm PT
However, in spite of my "no strings attached" example, I still think this is something that is controllable----WITH some strings attached to avoid abuse. We all like to think that we would never be the ones to abuse a program, but my observation is that people that I would consider highly ethical and moral will often succumb to the lure of using resources in a non-objective way.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
Coach37, the critics of the Kansas tax cuts seem to have pronounced their ruin prematurely. The liberals love to allege that Kansas's tax cuts led to ruination. See, e.g.:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/04/20/kansas_tax_cuts_are_a_mistake_and_everyone_agrees.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kansas-loses-patience-governor-sam-brownback-tax-cuts/

It certainly left less money for state expenditures, so for liberals, who spend their lives to spend taxpayers' money, it was a disaster, and Sam Brownback and Kansas Republicans are villains of the first order.

Not surprisingly, at least to those who like look at opinions on different sides of issues, there is also substantial evidence that they are succeeding. For example:

http://reason.com/archives/2014/07/28/are-tax-cuts-working-in-kansas
http://www.wsj.com/articles/seeded-with-tax-cuts-kansas-harvests-the-benefits-1431729743

The following is, to me, the most accurate analysis of the Kansas situation:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434885/kansas-tax-cuts-wont-starve-government-beast

It may seem a bit surprising to see National Review publishing an article that says that tax cuts of less-than-confiscatory rates won't increase tax revenues, and won't starve the government into shrinking, but that's their conclusion.

of course, the state spending in Kansas, as in California, has a lot of money laundering. The state acts as a central collection point, and then gives the money back to local government to spend, but as the state dictates. Thus, the lower state tax rates don't lead to a lower overall tax rate. They just move the taxing authority closer to where the money gets spent.

I personally find that move a good thing more often than not, but whether Kansas's policy is good or bad depends on your political preference for the size and centralization of government. It's economic effect, as far as I can determine, is little more than a wash.

John
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 02:22pm PT
There seems to be a quibble on the meaning of "racism." What do you call discrimination against an ethnic group? Whatever that is (I'd always seen it referred to as "racist,") that's what I meant.

John
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 02:39pm PT
Coach, you must be reading the wrong info on Kansas

It's a Huge Success!!
Just like Louisiana was with Bobby Jindal

Those guys turned the economy around!!
Huge tax breaks for the rich and Corps, huge defunding of regular Gov. services. Let the deficits pile up,
You can depend on the "Trickle Down" that is going to fill the coffers with giant returns after a couple years!!

The Koch Brothers have invested a lot of money in boasting this successful Image!

Another thing that has really helped their economy was relaxing environmental regulations in those States, they were a real burden on so many business's bottom line.
And as predicted!!, there was a Huge hiring frenzy after these changes were made.
The businesses were so freed of Gov. regulations that they could finally go hog wild and feed huge returns back into the economy.

You can't believe what the people say, those teachers are just a bunch of whiners, they can work at a coal mine if they don't like their lowered wages.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 20, 2016 - 02:42pm PT
If immigration laws are such a raging priority for the GOP, why haven't Republicans introduced any significant legislation to do anything about it?

Because illegals drive down the cost of labor.
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Jul 20, 2016 - 03:03pm PT
Man, that is a great looking cat!

I guess I must be reading the wrong info on Kansas's failed experiement with wingnut supply side voodoo. For instance, I read this:


https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-03-29/kansas-tried-tax-cuts-its-neighbor-didn-t-guess-which-worked

and this

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-kansas-conservative-brownback-economic-disaster-zorn-perspec-0518-jm-20160517-column.html

Both agree that wingnut voodoo still does not work, and that Brownback has once again shown this to be true.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
It's predicted that the day Jesus comes back, will be the time that the Trickle Down finally starts to pay back, Big Time!!

and Jesus is Coming Soon!!
I read on a bill board.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
Hi John

perhaps it is still too early to make an accurate assessment of the effects of Kansas cutting tax rates substantially, surely you would agree?

presently Kansas has the 46th worst economy in the United States

http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article69776282.html

last year there was not not enough money in the state budget to fully fund education
and as a result some school districts had to close early and send the students home

On May 11, the nonpartisan Kansas Center for Economic Growth posted an analysis that concluded "Neighboring states have had more income tax revenue to make the public investment that improves quality of life. They've been able to support schools, safe communities, health care, roads and other essentials. Kansas, meanwhile, is seeing income tax revenue 11.6 percent below before the tax cuts were enacted. ... Whether looking at private-sector job growth or all job growth, Kansas is getting beat

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article65073642.html

note I am not referencing any "liberal" sources to ensure no charge of "bias'

John, the fact is that cutting taxes for the wealthy and expecting them to be so appreciative that instead of just pocking the cash they instead invest it in such directly actionable wary as to benefit the economy simple has little if any history of success

that fact is not only true in Kansas but also Federally, we all recall the massive tax cuts that President Bush and his Republican House and Senate gave disproportionately to the wealthy back in 03, what followed four years later was the worst recession in 70 years in the United States

Reagan cut taxes and the US economy went into Recession, he then had to raise taxes 11 times. There just is no defense anymore for the fallacy of tax cuts "working"

hellroaring

Trad climber
San Francisco
Jul 20, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
What's the climbing culture like in Kansas?...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 03:34pm PT
Dan Savage on Jill Stein: Just say NO.


How do we build a viable third party to the left of shitty Democrats in the United States? "You run people not just for f*#king president every four f*#king years," says Dan Savage. (You also lower the bar on getting third party candidates into debates.)

This exchange happened back in May at the 20 minute mark on the 500th episode of the Savage Lovecast, but a listener named Ray Everett began sharing transcript on Facebook on this week. We reproduce it here for your edification:

CALLER: Hi my name is Pheasant and I live in Kansas. My question is, why — you guys talk a lot about politics — I would love to hear you guys talk about third party politics: Independent Party, the Green Party, and the Libertarian Party.

I’m a huge Green Party supporter; I’m voting for Jill Stein. And I realize that people say that if you vote for these, it’s just a wasted vote, it’s a vote for Republicans.

But I also feel we need to start sending a message to Washington and to our political leaders that we’re sick and tired of this two party system and candidates who are controlled by corporations and special interest groups. And they can’t piss off their donors, you know, because they buy the votes.

So I’m just wondering why you guys never talk about it because I think Jill Stein — she’s a member of the Green Party — she’s amazing. And for the people that bitch and moan about… Hillary didn’t always support gay rights, and Bernie didn’t always support this… I agree with you Dan, I think it's ridiculous how — that people can change. That’s what we want, we try to get people — hey, stop being a homophobic as#@&%e, hey stop being a racist prick. But you know the Green Party has never changed. They’ve always supported gay rights, equality for all, the environment…

DAN SAVAGE: Alright, blah blah blah. Sorry I had to stop you. Yeah, let’s talk about the Green Party for just a moment, or third parties, getting a third party movement off the ground here in this country. Because we are sick of the two party system!

Here’s how you f*#king do that: you run people not just for f*#king president every four f*#king years.

I have a problem with the Greens, I have a problem with the Libertarians. I have a problem with these fake, attention seeking, grandstanding Green/Libertarian party candidates who pop up every four years, like mushrooms in sh#t, saying that they're building a third party. And those of us who don't have a home in the Republican Party, don't have a home in the Democratic Party, can't get behind every Democratic position or Republican position, should gravitate toward these third parties. And help build a third party movement by every four f*#king years voting for one of these as#@&%es like Jill f*#king Stein, who I'm sure is a lovely person, she's only an as#@&%e in this aspect.

If you're interested in building a third party, a viable third party, you don’t start with president. You don't start by running someone for f*#king president.

Where are the Green Party candidates for city councils? For county councils? For state legislatures? For state assessor? For state insurance commissioner? For governor? For f*#king dogcatcher? I would be SO willing to vote for Green Party candidates who are starting at the bottom, grassroots, bottom up, building a third party, a viable third party.

You don't do that by trotting out the reanimated corpse of Ralph f*#king Nader every four f*#king years. Or his doppelgänger, whoever it is now, Jill Stein and some as#@&%e-to-be-named four years from now. You start by running grassroots, local campaigns. And there've been — and I'm sure we're going hear from lots of people out there listening — there have been a couple of Green Party candidates who’ve run in other races here and there across the country. But no sustained effort to build a Green Party nationally. Just this griping, bullshitty, grandstanding, fault-finding, purity-testing, holier than thou-ing, that we are all subjected to every four f*#king years by the Green Party candidate.

And the folks, including you caller — and I love you and I respect you and we’re having this debate and I'm not treating you with kid gloves because I respect you — who are fooled by them, who are sucked into this bullsh#t, who are tricked by these grandstanding, attention-seeking, bullsh#t-spewing charlatans, into wasting your vote.

Which is what you are going to do, I'm sorry to say, to circle back to the top of your call. You are essentially, if you're voting for Jill Stein, helping to potentially elect Donald J. Trump president of these United States. Which would be a catastrophe.

Which is what some people say that they want. People supported Ralph Nader in 2000 and said there was no difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush, therefore we could all afford to throw our votes away, protest-style, on Ralph Nader, who had no hope of getting elected, because there was no difference between Bush and Gore.

These same people, at the same time, said that George Bush was so manifestly obviously terrible that he would bring the revolution if he got himself elected somehow. They didn’t say this about Gore, he wouldn’t bring the revolution. They’re exactly the same, exactly as awful, but one would bring the revolution and one wouldn’t. Which means they weren't exactly the same and they weren't equally awful.

And we're hearing the same thing now about Hillary and Donald. That they’re both equally awful. They're both equally terrible, corrupt two party system, f*#k it, f*#k it, f*#k it. F*#k them both, f*#k both their houses! Vote for Jill Stein!

And if Donald should get elected, oh he’s so terrible, so much worse than the equally awful Hillary Clinton, that his election will bring the revolution.

It's bullsh#t.

The revolution did not come in 2000 when George W. Bush got close enough to winning to steal the White House. It will not come if Donald J. Trump gets his ass elected.

Disaster will come. And the people who’ll suffer are not going to be the pasty white Green Party supporters — pasty white Jill Stein and her pasty white supporters. The people who’ll suffer are going to be people of color. People of minority faiths. Queer people. Women.

Don’t do it. Don't throw your vote away on Jill Stein/vote for, bankshot-style, Donald Trump.

And if you want to build a viable third party, more power to you. I could see myself voting for a Green Party candidate for president in 25 years, after I've seen Green Party candidates getting elected to state legislatures, getting elected to governorships, getting elected to Congress. Then you can run some legitimate motherf*#ker for president.
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Jul 20, 2016 - 03:43pm PT
Voting for anyone other than a repub or dem means you are in the fringe of our democratic society.

The idea that Washington is paying attention to your fringe vote is idealistic. You are not sending a message to Washington when you vote for anyone other than the main two parties. If we had a parliamentary system, this might be of use. Otherwise it is a wasted vote, or possibly, just enough to ensure a madman gets into the White House.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
Bill Maher tonight... live special convention show, 11pm ET on HBO and YouTube... Michael Moore and others
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 04:37pm PT
The idea that Washington is paying attention to your fringe vote is idealistic.

This is the message you are sending to Washington;
You can thank me for wasting my vote on a third party candidate

you people are factored in on the polls

They just file them in the "wasted vote" column

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 20, 2016 - 05:03pm PT

Well said Daphne
Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 05:24pm PT
yes!

clearly, the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, is NOT in favor of all the above^^

therefore vote for someone who is also in favor of the above but stands zero chance of being elected

the logic is clean and beautiful
Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 05:41pm PT
**No One Cares About Melania’s Plagiarism Because She’s “Stunningly Attractive”

Newt Gingrich
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 05:47pm PT
This girl here...


is EVEN MORE of a put-off than this one...







Who's with me?



(For starters... she's about as non-science (arguably worse than anti-science) as anyone living in the 21st century can be... and yet nobody's more confident about how the world works, also about how life works.)

"Seems every few decades the World goes batshit crazy. Just long enough to forget the last time the World went batshit crazy." -Neil deGrasse Tyson
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 05:54pm PT
"She" Laura Ingram is one of the mouth pieces of the far right wing

Some include her with "The Fox News Babes"
Or a female Rush Limbo



I wonder if Roger Ailes harassed her as well!
She fit his special criteria,
but she said "No Thanks"

and was sent on her own
Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:11pm PT
I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is; I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”


“I am not a racist,” he told The Washington Post in an interview earlier this year. “I’m the least racist person that you’ve ever interviewed.”
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:17pm PT
It doesn't matter that Trump was somewhat socially liberal at the start of his campaign.

After he has accepted the GOP nomination,
all the Far Right Wing Fringe Groups have attached their agenda to Trump

and now he is a Neo-Con, Christian Right Wing Extremist, Pro-Life, anti-women's access to birth control, hoping to impose Prayer in school, shut down Planned Parenthood, make LBGTQ people's life a living Hell, keep wages low, keep high job insecurity....


and a 1000 other far right wing wet dream agenda items
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:25pm PT
Are they always Blonde?


Norton ,Does that say as much?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
Good for you Sketch, you found some data all on your own.

Now what baseline period was your data using?

Well played.

Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:36pm PT
"What's the climbing culture like in Kansas?... "

I bouldered on those funky sandstone eggs out by Minneapolis, KS once when doing the I-70 cross country drive. Worth a stop to stretch the legs, then keep on drivin, and drivin, and driving some more and half a day later you're finally out of Kansas.

Pic from the web
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:43pm PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 20, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
Where are the Green Party candidates for city councils? For county councils? For state legislatures? For state assessor? For state insurance commissioner? For governor? For f*#king dogcatcher? I would be SO willing to vote for Green Party candidates who are starting at the bottom, grassroots, bottom up, building a third party, a viable third party.

Dan Savage must have his head up some guy's ass, NTTAWWT, or he'd know that the Greens and the Peace and Freedom and the Libertarian and the American Independent parties run for offices in every election.

For all y'all that think voting for what you want has no effect, how do you figure the New Deal came into being? Those proposals, most of them on the Socialist Party platform for decades, were put in place because people were "wasting" their vote on what they wanted. You don't think they noticed when Eugene Debs got 10% of the vote?

You bet they did. That's why they threw him in jail. And them implemented parts of his platform to save capitalism.


Vote for a sociopath or a plutocrat and that's what you get. No surprise there.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
^^^???....

Craig Fry the Comic Guy! atleast for 8 more years......
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:03pm PT
do you call him a liar, Norton?

what's your point??

or are you jus trying to be funny like Fry?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:07pm PT
"Vote for a sociopath or a plutocrat and that's what you get. No surprise there."

Gary, a vote for an idealist like Stein is the best way to be sure we wind up with a sociopathic POTUS.

You may not like Hillary for whatever reasons you might have, but I'd bet that 90% of her platform aligns closely or negotiably close to your views. Compare that to Trump, the guy you are defaulting your vote to.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:15pm PT
Ted Cruz cred just went way down in my book. And that f*#king smirk of his doesn't make it taste much better.

I don't trust him. Something is wrong, I just haven't nailed it yet. But I can read people and he's disingenuous.

He believes all the Constitution and liberty stuff, I don't doubt that. He is just a real bad salesman for it.

You fuk-tards have to understand half of America is completely stupid and watching Ellen and Good Morning America, or worse. They are brainwashed, stupid, lemmings.

And that is real depressing. But it's true. And they vote. Try buying that vote, huh???

Ughhh....
dirtbag

climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
Wow...

Cruz just delivered the mother of all snubs.

What a sh#t show!

Popcorn, please!
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:24pm PT
https://news.google.com/news/ampviewer?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgawker.com%2Fvideo-shows-unarmed-black-man-pleading-with-arms-raised-1784004594%2Famp#pt0-821652
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
Ted Cruz 2020

Explains it all...
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Jul 20, 2016 - 07:58pm PT
This convention is the most surreal thing I've seen in politics.

It's amazing watching the Republican party coming apart at the seams in real time. How long before someone on the floor gets shanked?

Cruz didn't really go over well did he? Kind of stank the place up. And Donald is not happy, watch out Ted or he'll jab you with that 2" long finger he's got.


I know what to carve for my halloween punkins this year. One of Trump and one of Boehner. Because they're the only two orange people I know of.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:01pm PT
I keep telling the Cruz-iacs that he will not sell to most of America. He just took a dump on the Trump-train. Not cool.

I have a feeling the Trump people knew this was coming. Cruz is starting to look like nothing more than a career politician. That's sad.

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:01pm PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:07pm PT
For my buddy BB
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:13pm PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:20pm PT
The hate fest continues in full force.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:20pm PT
Pffft. you think jesus wants to just give you somethin for nuthin? Pfffft again!

you gotta read past john 3:16, try 20 and 21. no wonder you don't know jesus..

show me anywhere jesus ask's you to be dependent upon government?

please don't tie them together.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
What is it that Trump is selling?

That he is an amazing businessman, that knows how to manage. If he is involved in something he doesn't know, he hires people who do, and let them run things.

We now have two things that we've been able to watch him manage in real time: his campaign, and the convention.

Both have been disastrously run, I mean really astonishing. He has not allowed others who know this stuff to take the reins, and his personal involvement has been terrible.

So what do people who have a relative open mind think of what he is selling, now? How will he manage the USA, which is 1000 times more complex, and which presents opportunities every single day for disaster for the country?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:23pm PT
You clearly have no concept of what John 3:20 and 21 actually mean.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:29pm PT
A Look Back At Mike Pence’s Greatest Hits

He’s led the war on abortion rights and gay rights for half a decade.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-conservative_us_57900b71e4b0fc06ec5ba3b3

Pence has been at the forefront of the GOP’s battles against Planned Parenthood, birth control access and abortion rights for years. He even threatened to shut down the federal government over Planned Parenthood funding as a congressman in 2012.


I sure hope he's as anti-porn as the 2016 GOP Platform.
We have to stamp out that evil influence of debauchery, that's what Jesus wants.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:30pm PT
^^^i think i do. wanna compare?

lets start with 3:19; "and this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
jesus
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:32pm PT
Evil is easy. Dwelling in the light takes much more strength, but it gives more too!

Bigger question is, what did they mean by 'dwelling in darkness'? Sloth, envy?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
Ted Crux pisses on Trump, the convention is a disaster. Trump air kisses Pence, no bromance, no love.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:39pm PT
Jesus es El Senor

I believe he can speak for himself!
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:42pm PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:44pm PT
I can't stand Cruz (as much as Trump), but it appears he was trying to stand by some kind of principles, as opposed to the ballcuppers who ripped Trump to shreds in the primaries, then later say 'he's a nice guy- vote for him!'.

Of course, this was entirely for his own 2020 interests, which makes him as slimy as he seems to be.

Got that, Jody?
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:51pm PT
probably the first and last time i'll be able to say the following: i just gained the tiniest modicum of respect for ted cruz...

unlike some of the rest of the grovelling man whores [specifically, the lucifer invoking neuroseurgeon and the sword swallower from new jersey] when the drumpfmeister insulted cruz's wife's looks, linked his father to the jfk assassination, and then went onto the rest of the garden variety [for trump] insults and lies regarding cruz specifically, well amazingly enough... cruz didn't forget.



what a thing of beauty that non-endorsement was.

while i'm sure it was cold and calculated, that doesn't take away from the cunning and savagery that that took for him to pull off attaining one of the most coveted speaking slots...

get up...

and then not endorse.



damn.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2016 - 08:54pm PT
nahthing is nah-endorsed. so i can't agree with you.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:00pm PT
So much for unifying the party.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:04pm PT
Have to give Cruz credit for having some integrity by publicly not endorsing Trump...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:09pm PT
if we could only vote on what we thought was unifying, instead of hearing and watching all this BS!

give me a robot to vote for instead of all these fairies.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:16pm PT
Somehow I missed the Republican position on this issue during the "Make America Safe" section:

According to a 2014 report by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), a survey of law-enforcement officials and agencies across the United States concluded that the Sovereign Citizen movement was the single greatest threat to their communities, ranking above Islamic terrorists and jihadists.

Lets see, that's an organization made up of white boys. Exclusively.
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:20pm PT
On a positive note, Trump would appear to be the most qualified to guide the United States into bankruptcy (4) and counting...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
^^^ hey, bankruptcy looks pretty good from where we stand right now.

maybe we could then get back the empire state building, and disney world from china!?


edit; who own's america right now anyway? maybe china should be able to cast a vote!?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 10:40pm PT
who own's america right now anyway? maybe china should be able to cast a vote!?

They are not asking for a vote. Sounds like you are ready to give it away.....


And if you don't know who owns America, you are profoundly lacking in knowledge.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 10:43pm PT
Fascinating story:

The White Man in the Photo

http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/the-white-man-in-that-photo/


It’s a historic photo of two men of color. For this reason I never really paid attention to the other man, white, like me, motionless on the second step of the medal podium. I considered him as a random presence, an extra in Carlos and Smith’s moment, or a kind of intruder. Actually, I even thought that that guy – who seemed to be just a simpering Englishman – represented, in his icy immobility, the will to resist the change that Smith and Carlos were invoking in their silent protest. But I was wrong.

Notice the badge on him.....
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2016 - 10:44pm PT

sorry, trying to get used to this new computer
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2016 - 10:51pm PT
And if you don't know who owns America, you are profoundly lacking in knowledge.

well i know it's not 100% owned by americans! the saudia's own 25'000'000 worth of hillary alone!!

if they think she's worth that much, how much of a pricetag do we put on her? 1000'000'000 for four yrs? i'd rather have james lebron, the king!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2016 - 11:02pm PT
I don't think Hillary is kissing the Saudis.

But in any case, they own a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage.

If you are talking about DEBT, it's only 8%-----but the value of America is a lot more than our debt!

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/who-owns-america-hint-its-not-china/
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jul 21, 2016 - 12:01am PT
maybe we could then get back the empire state building, and disney world from china!?

The Empire State Building is owned by a realty trust owned by the Helmsley and Malkin families, both richer than Trump.

He owned a small share of the building from about 1994 to 2004 and was apparently a real Pita until they bought him out.

The largest shareholder of Disney is the Steve Jobs estate.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 21, 2016 - 12:17am PT
splitter

Trad climber
HighwayToHell
Jul 21, 2016 - 01:07am PT
who own's America right now anyway?

An extremely dark (as in EVIL) Mega Corporation.

...you would not believe, even if you were told.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 05:33am PT
c wilmot queried
How are our immigration laws racist? And how do you reform laws currently not enforced?

You mean they come illegally and complain

Our immigration laws have almost always favored immigrants from European countries over others, especially those from our Latin neighbors.

*edit* - Just saw John's excellent post rebutting this. Thanks for sharing your story John.



A black man was shot by police in Miami while literally laying on the ground with his hands in the air shouting "I am a caregiver for this autistic man. He has a toy truck." The police continued to shout at the 22 year old autistic man to lay down and when he didn't, one of them shot 3 times hitting the caregiver in the leg. Luckily, he was not fatally injured. When the victim asked why the cop shot him the answer was "I don't know."





Cruz refused to endorse Trump during his prime time convention speech last night which is amaaaaazing.

As hundreds of delegates chanted “Vote for Trump!” and “Say it!” Mr. Cruz tried to dismiss the outburst as “enthusiasm of the New York delegation” — only to have Mr. Trump himself suddenly appear in the back of the convention hall. Virtually every head in the room seemed to turn from Mr. Cruz to Mr. Trump, who was stone-faced and clearly angry as he egged on delegates by pumping his fist.

Mr. Cruz was all but drowned out as he asked for God’s blessing on the country and left the stage, while security personnel escorted his wife, Heidi, out of the hall. One delegate yelled “Goldman Sachs!” at her — a reference to the company that has employed her, a job that Mr. Trump attacked during the primaries.

A short while later, Mr. Cruz faced insults as he made his way down a corridor — one woman yelled “Traitor!” When he tried to enter the convention suite of the Las Vegas casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, he was turned away.


Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:39am PT
Lets see, that's an organization made up of white boys. Exclusively.

Ken, there's actually a black component to that movement. One of the sovereign citizen hucksters is black and has many followers.

For example the Baton Rouge killer:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2016/07/19/when-black-nationalism-meets-sovereign-citizen-nonsense/
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 05:51am PT
bluering posted
Ted Cruz cred just went way down in my book. And that f*#king smirk of his doesn't make it taste much better.

I don't trust him. Something is wrong, I just haven't nailed it yet. But I can read people and he's disingenuous.

He believes all the Constitution and liberty stuff, I don't doubt that. He is just a real bad salesman for it.

You fuk-tards have to understand half of America is completely stupid and watching Ellen and Good Morning America, or worse. They are brainwashed, stupid, lemmings.

This is an amazing post, bluering.




Ken, there's actually a black component to that movement. One of the sovereign citizen hucksters is black and has many followers.

Some of my favorite white nationals are black.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 06:25am PT
Paul Mannafort, Trump's campaign manager, also managed the campaign of Putin puppet Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine in 2010. During that campaign, Yanukovych's crowds shouted "LOCK HER UP" referring to his opponent, Yulia Tymoshenko. Yanukovych won the election and promptly put her in prison which the European Court on Human Rights ruled as politically motivated.

Things keep getting a little scarier as this election continues.
kattz

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:40am PT
Yulia Timoshenko is a criminal, thief and a real mobster, basically. Why would someone be surprised she was put in jail...she should still be there.
kattz

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:43am PT


Our immigration laws have almost always favored immigrants from European countries over others, especially those from our Latin neighbors.


Who cares what it was before. Currently, immigration laws discriminate against Whites and this must be stopped. Current laws are geared towards non-White immigration from the third world to further destroy US middle class and low wage workers, destroy White race and destroy the country as a whole.

We need to fight against it.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:45am PT
"As long as I've got my hands up, they're not going to shoot me. This is what I'm thinking. ‘They're not going to shoot me,’" he said. "Wow, was I wrong."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-florida-caretaker-shot-20160721-snap-story.html
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:46am PT
Thanks so much for this excellent thread! I can now dispense with the NY Times, Huffington Post and the Washington Post for indepth astute analysis and commentary. I can also get the Fox News take on politics and all in one package!
kattz

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:48am PT
Peter Thiel, Silicon Valley billionaire, will be speaking and RNC today, in support of Trump, and the rumor he'll be mentioning he fact that he's a "proud gay man".

By the way LOVE it how Caitlyn Jenner stuck it to the libtard zombies: "It was easy to come out transgender; hard to come out Republican"
WBraun

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:50am PT
Kattz is 100% correct about the thug Yulia Timoshenko.

But these Hillary brainwashed fools here wouldn't know anything beyond their tiny little world of what they've been spoon fed.

All they spew here is an endless cesspool of garbage .....
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:54am PT
By the way LOVE it how Caitlyn Jenner stuck it to the libtard zombies: "It was easy to come out transgender; hard to come out Republican"

No doubt! Can you imagine how much self-loathing it takes for a transgender person to reveal themselves as one who supports those who hate anyone who doesn't fit into a certain pigeonhole?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:59am PT
Newt doubles down on Fear

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Pure evil
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:00am PT
"But these Hillary brainwashed fools here wouldn't know anything beyond their tiny little world of what they've been spoon fed."

Talk about a tiny world and tiny mind. Do you ever see the hypocrisy that spews out of you?


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 07:14am PT
Werner posted
Kattz is 100% correct about the thug Yulia Timoshenko.

And you call other people stupid and unthinking? You're more than missing the point....
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:24am PT
Newt doubles down on Fear

It's all about fear. It's the most efficient way to mold opinion. They've even convinced some people that voting for the lesser of two evils is the smart thing to do. Think about it, they've convinced people to vote for what they don't want. Because if people vote for what they want...
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:42am PT
Russia Loses Appeal Against Olympic Games Athletics Ban

The International Olympic Committee will now consider imposing a blanket ban on Russia from all sports.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russia-loses-olympic-athletics-ban-appeal_us_5790956fe4b0fc06ec5bc3b6?section=
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:52am PT
The mainstream GOP don't have to like Trump

The whole convention is one big advertisement for:

"We Hate Hillary so much, that we will vote for any stinking loser, and we will put in 100% of our support to whoever, so we can beat Hillary"

They have found unity in their Party, Hate for Hillary.
That's the only thing they can unify on.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:56am PT
Thanks so much for this excellent thread! I can now dispense with the NY Times, Huffington Post and the Washington Post for indepth astute analysis and commentary. I can also get the Fox News take on politics and all in one package!

Ditto that.

Consolidated or perhaps clotted into one thread.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:00am PT
why click on and join a thread if you can't stand the subject matter?



HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 08:02am PT
Jody posted
he only thing he ever had on Cruz was to call him "Lyin' Ted", with absolutely no facts to back up the charge!

Except for the enormous and unending pile of lies that spew from his mouth. The only reason you haven't scrutinized him more is because he speaks the same Christian language you do. Cruz wasn't taking a principled stance he was exercising his own personal hatred for Trump after having attacked Cruz's family. Cruz is strongly hedging his bets politically. There are few people as politically calculating as he.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:09am PT
But frankly, Ted Cruz has shown more backbone in this election cycle than all the rest of the GOP - COMBINED

John Kasich has been pretty darn principled also in not endorsing Trump, Dingus
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:16am PT
Norton

Social climber


why click on and join a thread if you can't stand the subject matter?

you people are just so insane

Some people just like to whine.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:19am PT


The whole convention is one big advertisement for:

"We Hate Hillary so much, that we will vote for any stinking loser, and we will put in 100% of our support to whoever, so we can beat Hillary"

They have found unity in their Party, Hate for Hillary.
That's the only thing they can unify on.

look at the free publicity they have given to Hillary, just by mentioning her name.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:28am PT
Ted Cruz is a Spectacular LIAR

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/01/ted_cruz_may_be_the_most_gifted_liar_ever_to_run_for_president.html


Fox News Caught Ted Cruz Lying Again

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/01/fox_news_is_getting_really_good_at_spotting_ted_cruz_s_lies.html


Ted Cruz’s Biggest Liability Is Probably His Constant Lying


https://www.thenation.com/article/ted-cruzs-trouble-truth-his-biggest-liability/
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:50am PT
HABERMAN [ny times]: What do you think people will take away from this convention? What are you hoping?

TRUMP: From the convention? The fact that I’m very well liked.


Narcissist much?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:50am PT
I hate Hillary too, but I do not vote for the "lesser of two evils". I vote FOR somebody, not AGAINST someone.

In a close race, I'll always vote for the lesser of two evils. If it's a shoo-in, I typically vote Libertarian. In this case, I'm terrified of Trump becoming POTUS. I may not like Hillary's agenda. But I'm confident she won't screw things up half as bad as Trump would.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:53am PT
Regardless of Cruz's supposed 'principles' (aka selfish political strategizing for 2020), it's quite astounding that the Trumpster Klan would even allow the guy to speak in the first place.

Cruz made clear that he had no intention of endorsing him...Manafort & co. could have simply given him a video slot like Rubio (where they could control the message), but instead they put the guy front & center with no controls whatsoever.

They shouldn't be surprised Cruz said what he said. This kind of poor judgement and Reality TV political strategizing has been quintessential Trump, and is a good example of the type of management one should expect if he makes it to the WH.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 08:55am PT
Jody posted
HDDJ, document the lies or you are the same as Trump.

Willful ignorance much? You are perfectly capable of using the internet you lazy, lazy man.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:57am PT
Norton, Kelly admitted after the debate that she was wrong about Cruz and immigration.

Jody, can you explain or rebut all the other examples of Cruz lying I linked to?

I can provide more evidence of Cruz's long history of lying if you would prefer?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:59am PT
Why bother asking, Norton?

Willful ignorance = Willful ignorance


Cruz's slimy lying has been as central to his campaign as Trump's. That much they have in common...prolly why they can't stand each other.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 09:01am PT
Jody posted
We can probably have a pretty good copy/paste competition if you like. that wouldn't accomplish much though, would it?

"I desperately want to believe in this man and will do nothing that might challenge my view of him."
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:07am PT
hey Norton
nita showed me how to fix non-clickable links

take out the "s" after http

https://www.thenation.com/article/ted-cruzs-trouble-truth-his-biggest-liability/

http://www.thenation.com/article/ted-cruzs-trouble-truth-his-biggest-liability/
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:08am PT
it's quite astounding that the Trumpster Klan would even allow the guy to speak in the first place.

Trump thinks he is going to win the election and by letting Cruz spew he would dash Cruz's chances in 2020. The only real damage done by Cruz was to siphon attention from Pence.

If you ignore Pence's extreme positions he seems like a nice guy, I would tie in with him.
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:09am PT
But I'm confident she won't screw things up half as bad as Trump would.

This is the truth that is going to get Hillary elected, thank god.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:10am PT
It's true, Jon...Pence seemed ok, and actually delivered a good speech (as did Cruz). He's far more Presidential than Trump, that's for sure.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:11am PT
Jody, at least you don't have to defend trump's latest substantive nonsense, his reckless, dangerous wishy washy stance on whether he would abide by NATO commitments.

This is f*#king nuts. The certainty in keeping NATO commitments has kept peace between Russia/ussr and the west. We can find some nits to pick, but nato works.

Again, this is f*#king nuts.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:12am PT
Senator Ted Cruz Caught Blatantly Lying On Fox News Sunday

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/28/senator-ted-cruz-caught-blatantly-lying-on-fox-news-sunday/
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:13am PT
take out the "s" after http

thank your girl, Craig!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 09:37am PT
Why are you linking more stuff to Jody? He's not going to read it.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:54am PT
It's true, Jon...Pence seemed ok,

He's taken an already down Indiana economy and kicked it in the nuts.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 10:23am PT
Why are you linking more stuff to Jody? He's not going to read it.

because he is under the assumption that Ted Cruz is not a liar

and I don't know Jody, never met him

and so I assume he would want to know when he is wrong about something

so that he can change his mind himself and also not repeat what he is wrong about to other people
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 21, 2016 - 10:37am PT
The porn star gold digger got caught copying off Michelle's paper, I love it!!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 21, 2016 - 10:49am PT
. Why is nobody in the media or on the RNC attacking trump for his filthy attacks on Cruz's family?

They did make note of the truth involved. If you think it is still relevant, that news cycle has long ago passed.

It seems that no one recognizes why Cruz is being so vilified: He undoubtedly was given this very prominent place in the program for a very specific reason: to help unify the party by endorsing Trump. He undoubtedly pledged his solemn word upon God that he would do so.

Then he didn't do so. So once again, he has turned against his party, sabotaging all of them, yet again.

No doubt he performed this duplicity on the basis of his "getting even", but that doesn't change the ethics of what his word is worth. Again.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 10:52am PT
Norton posted
because he is under the assumption that Ted Cruz is not a liar

and I don't know Jody, never met him

and so I assume he would want to know when he is wrong about something

so that he can change his mind himself and also not repeat what he is wrong about to other people

Jody is the kind of guy who decides on something and sticks with it. His belief in that thing is unwavering, unyielding and impervious to revision.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 10:58am PT
well then it seems I have wasted my time with Jody
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 11:11am PT

Another Woman - Trump Sexual Assaults


Just a day after Donald Trump officially became the Republican presidential nominee, a woman broke her silence on allegations that he sexually assaulted her. In an interview with the Guardian published today,

Jill Harth detailed how Trump made numerous sexual advances toward her in 1993, culminating when she says he cornered and groped her in a bedroom. Harth attempted to press charges in 1997 but withdrew her lawsuit and has since remained quiet about the case. She says that since her allegations resurfaced in a May New York Times article about Trump's treatment of women, the Trump campaign has continuously pressured her to recant her account.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-breaks-silence
c wilmot

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 11:16am PT
Not sure Clinton supporters should go with sexual assault allegations
c wilmot

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 11:26am PT
We have Clinton riding the "Lolita express" and paying his victim to avoid trial vs unsubstantiated allegations of dubious political nature. There is nothing to conflate
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 11:35am PT
Not sure Clinton supporters should go with sexual assault allegations

no problem

only one of the Presidential nominees is being accused, by multiple women, sexual assault

but doesn't matter, as Donald himself said, "I could shoot someone on the street and not lose any support"
Dover

Trad climber
New England
Jul 21, 2016 - 12:03pm PT
Ted Cruz showed that he is a man of principle. He knew how risky it was going to be to not endorse Trump. Even if he did sign a pledge to support the nominee, when Trump ran a dirty, unethical, and personal campaign, all bets are off. Why is nobody in the media or on the RNC attacking trump for his filthy attacks on Cruz's family? The only thing he ever had on Cruz was to call him "Lyin' Ted", with absolutely no facts to back up the charge! Whether you think Cruz did what he did last night to further his chances in 2020 when Trump loses or not, it took gonads and FINALLY, we have a principled politician. Cruz became a conservative icon last night.

I think Cruz got played and played well by Trump.

Everyone knows most republican party regulars can't stand Cruz. Lindsey Graham said if someone shot and killed Cruz in front of the Senate, no one would stand up to convict the murderer and Boehner thought Cruz was the worst public official he had ever worked with, referring to him as Lucifer (or something close to that). Trump knew that if Cruz went rogue and didn't help bring the party together, the party wouldn't see it as Cruz taking a principled stand, but just more of is inability to be a team member.

Pundits were talking about Reagan's 1976 address after the bitter convention fight with Ford and how it set Reagan up for 1980. There was an expectation that Cruz would do something similar--give a good speech, be magnanimous, help bring the party together, and set himself up for 2020.

But Trump knew Cruz would't be magnanimous. Trump said he had the text of the speech in advance and one news outlet reported that Cruz told Trump he wouldn't support him two days earlier. Trump let him talk and then purposely arrived at the end of Cruz's speech and stole the show. I also doubt it was serendipity that the New York delegation was parked right in front of Cruz as he spoke (remember Cruz comments about New Yorkers in the debates?). Pretty savvy on Trump's part. Knowing Cruz wouldn't endorse him, Trump once again got great press about a potentially embarrassing issue and made Cruz look like a petty, cheap fool in the process. This was a much smarter play than locking Cruz out of the convention and having him carp from the sidelines. Pretty artful.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
Sexual Piccadillos?
Democrats are the party of Kennedy, Dodd and Bubba...sleazy gropers all.
Republicans are the party of anonymous gay encounters in public restrooms (NTTAWWT).

In light of the latest sexual allegations I would ask:
Is Trump a closet Democrat?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 21, 2016 - 12:21pm PT
I think Cruz got played and played well by Trump.

Everyone knows most republican party regulars can't stand Cruz. Lindsey Graham said if someone shot and killed Cruz in front of the Senate, no one would stand up to convict the murderer and Boehner thought Cruz was the worst public official he had ever worked with, referring to him as Lucifer (or something close to that). Trump knew that if Cruz went rogue and didn't help bring the party together, the party wouldn't see it as Cruz taking a principled stand, but just more of is inability to be a team member.
Pundits were talking about Reagan's 1976 address after the bitter convention fight with Ford and how it set Reagan up for 1980. There was an expectation that Cruz would do something similar--give a good speech, be magnanimous, help bring the party together, and set himself up for 2020.

You contradicted yourself. You admit that cruz is disliked by the party, and then you state that cruz will bring the party together. Cruz's political career is done.

But Trump knew Cruz would't be magnanimous. Trump said he had the text of the speech in advance and one news outlet reported that Cruz told Trump he wouldn't support him two days earlier. Trump let him talk and then purposely arrived at the end of Cruz's speech and stole the show. I also doubt it was serendipity that the New York delegation was parked right in front of Cruz as he spoke (remember Cruz comments about New Yorkers in the debates?). Pretty savvy on Trump's part. Knowing Cruz wouldn't endorse him, Trump once again got great press about a potentially embarrassing issue and made Cruz look like a petty, cheap fool in the process. This was a much smarter play than locking Cruz out of the convention and having him carp from the sidelines. Pretty artful.

Not so sure. rumor has it that if trump were to be elected, he would nominate cruz to the SC. Why would trump nominate a "petty, cheap fool"? Of course that would fit trump's MO of lying.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
What I find suspect is that anyone would feel ANY person should take the abuse DT passed around(about Cruz, repeatedly referring to him as "Lyin' Ted" and the extremely distasteful attack on his wife /comparing her to his current wife) and then endorse him.

It would have been better, more honorable, I think, if Cruz would have simply declined the invitation to speak, but he is a politician, and needs to get his face time in where he can. I don't know that he did much damage to himself or to Trump with his point of voting conscience though. It's quite clear that conscience goes out the window for many people, when it comes to politics.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 21, 2016 - 01:03pm PT
Cruz's speech would have been well received if he just added "I need a bogle for the glotch."
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
To be clear, Pence's record is pretty scary, but his performance in speaking last night was impressive.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 21, 2016 - 01:26pm PT
Correct me please if I am wrong, but didn't Cruz have his own delegates at the convention? I mean, he wasn't a guest speaker and it wasn't for Trump to extend an invitation to speak.

Cruz earned his right to speak at the convention, Trump be damned.

Right?

Correct, but it wasn't like he was stumping for votes. the nominee had been decided, but I agree, any candidate should have the right to speak at their party's convention.
Trump be damned, for sure.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 01:29pm PT
My top three choices for VP, not in any order, I hope you're reading ST HRC... (1) Gavin Newsom (2) Elizabeth Warren (3) Cory Booker.


America: A Banana Republic? F Zakaria weighs in...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/america-would-be-trumps-banana-republic/2016/07/21/f652820a-4f57-11e6-a422-83ab49ed5e6a_story.html

...

Scary, HRC slips a point... to 61...

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 21, 2016 - 01:31pm PT
I don't know if Cruz had a "right" to speak, but Trump at least decided when. Trump saw and signed off on his speech before giving him a prime time spot.

Trump basically played Cruz for a fool. People are saying the boos were initiated by Trump campaign plants. Let Cruz go out there and make a fool of himself. As soon as Cruz finished his prepared remarks and was about to start ad libbing Trump walked in, stole the spolight and Cruz scampered off with his tail between his legs.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
Tom Perez...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Perez

.....

I'm leaning with Michael Moore...
I'm afraid Trump's going to be our next President.


Charisma counts. Perception counts. Ignorance counts.
And they're too often ignored by the reasonable and cerebral.


But I hope Norton and Crankster and others are right and HRC wins in a landslide. I'm just not confident. Not at all.
Despite the numbers at five thirty eight.


No matter, I think we are all getting a glimpse into important
moments of our history. (Incl 1930s Germany and Europe.)
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 01:48pm PT
I wish it weren't so true, maybe in another universe, but...

Charisma counts.





In this case it's ignored at Clinton's peril.



Recall Perot's choice: Stockdale.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 01:52pm PT
I'm leaning with Michael Moore...
I'm afraid Trump's going to be our next President.

I am afraid too, we should all be

but Michael Moore said "Trump is going to win" on Bill Maher's show

my guess is he said it to shock the audience into not being complacent, to not believe in the current polls showing Hillary with a small but solid lead, to get off their asses and vote for her in November

if he said it because he really believes Trump is going to win then he is showing unusual factual ignorance and denial

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 02:00pm PT
There's another alternative, Norton.

His words last night might have reflected his gut or gut intuition. Which is often employed (listened to) when the incoming (sense data) is too complex to compute straight out.

As I'm sure you know, the facts on the ground today do NOT necessarily reflect the facts on the ground tomorrow.

So the "worry" or "fear" on M Moore's part might just reflect something more than just a statement to get Dems off their complacent butts.


....


I really hope HRC has something of an ace up her sleeve - with some motivating and kick-ass, shock and surprise value -
regarding her VP selection.

In this crazy cycle, the Dem side simply cannot afford to lose the charm and charisma component.






Just imagine how much different America could be.
Whether it's two years hence or 12.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 02:17pm PT
Cruz earned his right to speak at the convention, Trump be damned.

Right?

Yep. Donald never extracted a condition that Cruz must endorse him in order to be allowed to speak. Donald even saw the speech before hand, so it's fair game.

dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 03:13pm PT
I'd bet if trump forbade someone from speaking the RNC would not cross him.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
This has been such a sh#t show.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 03:42pm PT
In Nov., she wins easily. Country, and world, spared.

From your keyboard and brains to God's ear. :)
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 03:46pm PT
not being privy to the RNC convention rules

I suspect it is Reince Preibus and/or the high up convention decision makers who decide who gets to speak

it is not Donald Trump's convention, it is the Republican Party's

anyone know differently that it is the nominee who gets to say who speaks, seems doubtful?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 21, 2016 - 04:04pm PT
I think the only apt finale for the GOP convention will be Reince Priebusa exploding on live TV

[Click to View YouTube Video]
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 04:21pm PT
Okay, Crankster, so here it is. I think it's going to be Warren. What she's been tweeting lately just strikes me as a wee-bit off somehow if not coy. So this means Perez and Kaine are decoys. That's my final answer.

Yes, America is ready for a two-woman ticket.

Look how long it's been a two-man ticket.

She's all about banking reform, campaign reform, income inequality correction, health care reform - in other words, Bernie's issues. Just the shot in the arm that's needed.


Clinton Warren 2016 - What Bernie Sanders groupie in their right mind would not vote that?
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 21, 2016 - 04:26pm PT
A 2 woman ticket would be awesome. con heads would be exploding left and right like the pics faroukbitch/pyro loves to post. There wouldn't be enough rocks for them to crawl back under if that came to fruition..
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
A 2 woman ticket would be awesome.

Indeed. :)
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 04:39pm PT
kay, Crankster, so here it is. I think it's going to be Warren.

if so, in my view, a bad decision to make Warren her VP

because it puts two women on the ticket, two "liberal" women

there are millions of men who simply will not vote for a woman for anything much less President, and two of them?

she is already losing to Trump with men, and particularly white men

in addition it would remove Warren from her Senate seat at the crucial time when the Dems are tying to win back the Senate

and the Governor of her state, Mass, is a Republican and he would get to appoint her successor, no doubt a fellow Republican

Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 04:46pm PT
If Cruz is so unimportant, why has this pissed them off so bad?

same reason why they are pissed off because so many high profile Republican governors, Senators, and Congressmen will not endorse Trump

looks bad for party unity when your own people don't want you as President
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 04:48pm PT
Norton, I hear you. Your sentiments are valid.

Still...

:)


(It's a "gut intuition" thing at this point.)
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:03pm PT
I just don't know what the stoopid Republicans expect Cruz to do. Trump was an absolute ahole during the campaign and Cruz would be a hypocrite if he endorsed Trump. By the way, nobody has produced any pledge signed by Cruz(that I know of) and even if he had signed the pledge Trump's filthy campaign would render it null and void in my book. How come nobody came down hard on trump when he was saying the agreement was null and void because the RNC wasn't playing by the rules?

I agree, but there have been so many politicians who said extremely critical things about Trump but ended up kissing his ass, that there is an expectation cruz would fall in line too.

Still, you can't insult someone's wife and father and expect him to fall in line later. Insults have consequences, and trump has insulted just about everyone.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:11pm PT
Jody, they are especially pissed at Cruz because he signed the "pledge" saying he would support whomever wins the nomination and now he is refusing to do so.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:21pm PT
Yep, that nullifies it.

Cruz has many motives to not endorse, but he is under no obligation to grovel to a man who insults his family.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:21pm PT
Jody, the Pledge is held by Reince Priebus the head of the Republican National Committee and thus not available for the general public to see

I suppose if you don't believe it really exits you write him and ask for a copy
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
Amateur hour again: trump's speech leaked to Hillary super pac:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/rnc-2016-donald-trump-speech-leak-hillary-clinton-pac-225981

These guys are supremely incompetent.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:28pm PT
Kickass Torrents' huge file sharing site shut down by feds


http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/21/technology/kickass-torrent/


You could at one time get the entire email system of the state department here.



Ben Harland

Gym climber
Kenora, ON
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
I hope that this is the right place for this, but have any of you read the New Yorker article about Tony Schwartz yet? Yow! - this could be good.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us/politics/trump-book-tony-schwartz.html
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:34pm PT
I expect the polls to tighten up considerably. The country is just too evenly divided and polarized. As bad as Trump is the hate for Hillary flows too strongly.

But in the end many people won't be able to hold their nose and vote from Trump.

I'm not excited about Hillary, but looking forward to Bill as FDOTUS, it'll be party time like the 90s again!
WBraun

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:45pm PT
I love Michelle Obama she so down to earth and normal.

Unlike the robot Trumps wife ......

The article about Tony Schwartz in New Yorker is awesome.

Unlike the cesspool bullshit these Hillary loons in these threads have spewed daily ......
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:53pm PT
I think it's going to be Warren. What she's been tweeting lately just strikes me as a wee-bit off somehow if not coy. So this means Perez and Kaine are decoys. That's my final answer.

I'm betting it's going to be Tim Kaine. Very plain vanilla / middle of the road Dem. Boring to be sure, but he won't be a target either.

Curt
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 05:57pm PT
I'm betting it's going to be Tim Kaine.

Alright, Curt. So game on!!!
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:02pm PT
Beautiful woman. 2020 democrat nominee?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:06pm PT
Correct me please if I am wrong, but didn't Cruz have his own delegates at the convention? I mean, he wasn't a guest speaker and it wasn't for Trump to extend an invitation to speak.

Cruz earned his right to speak at the convention, Trump be damned.

Right?

Wrong.

The convention is put on by the Republican National Committee, who sets the agenda. However, in the situations that have prevailed for a long time, where the candidate is locked up before the convention, the Chairman recognizes that the Convention is a great opportunity to gather publicity and support for the Candidate. That said, I am sure that the Chairman defers to the Candidate on who speaks. It was Donald who decided that Duck Dynasty should be represented. Robertson did not "earn" his right to speak. Note all the other candidates that did NOT speak.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
Has anybody started speaking at the RNC?
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
Prince rebus.

I think that PayPal dood is up next.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
(1) Gavin Newsom (2) Elizabeth Warren (3) Cory Booker.

Newsom has no chance. Too young, combined with not being a governor or senator. Perhaps after winning Gov of Ca.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:23pm PT
There was grunting, some concern about diarrhea and vomiting due to the norovirus, some Pittsburgh steelers flag waving, a paragraph or two of how hot drumpf's wife was while cribbing Michelle Obama's speech, something about blacks and mexicans and a big wall and an overwhelming distaste of naturally occurring rainbows being satanic and defiant of gawd's laws concerning gays. Ted Cruz spouted some sh#t about what an idiot drumpf was, but other than that,no real "speaking", per se.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:26pm PT
not being privy to the RNC convention rules


Actually, you do:

https://www.gop.com/rules-and-resolutions/
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:28pm PT
Applause at RNC for "Proud to be gay" - Evolution!!

A forced evolution. But evolution nonetheless.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:30pm PT
Hillary loons............ltfol.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
If Cruz is so unimportant, why has this pissed them off so bad?

You all are missing the big picture. This action has created headlines for more than 24 hours, sucking up the news cycle, and distracting from any shortcomings of Trump.

This was EXACTLY the strategy that Trump followed in the primaries, and he is getting his name out there on every network and print media in the western world. You seen virtually nothing about Hillary.

However, Hillary has a far more professional campaign. I think she will announce her VP pick tomorrow...UNLESS Trump has some sort of MAJOR F*CKUP.

In that case, she will hold off and let him twist slowly, slowly, in the wind, then announce Sat.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:33pm PT
I think she will announce her VP pick tomorrow...

But wouldn't Newsom on the ticket be kickass! :)
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:34pm PT
Even so, it is nullified by Trump's actions.

This is the thing with Repubs....pledges come with asterisks, "their word" is ALWAYS conditional.

"READ MY LIPS-NO NEW TAXES."
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:37pm PT
Bottom line is this, this election is about the educated vs the uneducated.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:42pm PT
California centric. Newsom does nothing for the ticket.

I see where you're coming from. Good point there.

But if you've ever heard him in dialog or philosophy, he's very impressive. Imagine down the road the VP debate between him and a conservative Pence esp on social issues. It would be awesome.

Of course I understand the view, He's got no chance. But occasionally
these things happen.

I for one would be energized.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
Applause at RNC for "Proud to be gay" - Evolution!!

evolution?

perhaps but more likely proof of the depth of the human genome pool
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:47pm PT
evolution in the sense of positive change, Norton. evolution
in the sense of cultural evolution (not bio evolution).


Schwartz on Maher last night, too...
http://youtu.be/3SeDjWOuOyY?t=22m30s

(audio's not in sync so close your eyes)


"Trump is so thin-skinned..."

Who around here is... thin-skinned? Anyone? lol


"I think Trump is going to win..." -M Moore

http://youtu.be/3SeDjWOuOyY?t=9m55s

"The enemy is complacency."
Ben Harland

Gym climber
Kenora, ON
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:47pm PT
I don't think so, Jim Brennan

I think he did a great job of explaining why he wrote the book the way he did. Certainly, he felt remorse at the time and was motivated by the paycheck.
Ben Harland

Gym climber
Kenora, ON
Jul 21, 2016 - 06:56pm PT
Fair enough. He's out there sharing what he knows about the way Trump behaves. I think he's pretty qualified for it. There's another guy who's down with lung cancer - otherwise, who can attest to the man's true character?

edit - Wayne Barrett's the other guy. I'm just hoping that Schwartz can provide some material for the media to ask some questions that will beg a proper answer. I'm not sure I've seen Trump give proper answers yet. He will have to learn pretty soon..
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:05pm PT
A couple of questions for Donny.

Just when was it that the U.S. became not great?

Where are your tax returns.



Well, three.

Why is almost every word out of your mouth a lie?

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:07pm PT
Best live streaming option?

C'mon..need it now...
Ben Harland

Gym climber
Kenora, ON
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:09pm PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuc08foAqE0
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:10pm PT
Ivanka - One problem, she like her papa, is a gross liar.

Ask some of Dump's subcontractors.



OK - it's a bullsheeit convention, but ... this is a total croc.

Meanwhile, back in reality.

Republicans rip Trump over NATO plan
One GOP lawmaker tells POLITICO, 'Comments like this are not only ill-informed, they’re dangerous.'





apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
1000 for apogee!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:14pm PT
Does anyone think there is anything wrong with a realtor/schister that has never served in public office , running for President of the United States...? That's like asking the bat boy to hit clean-up during a world series game...Get real stoopid Americans...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:24pm PT
This guy is the most horrible thing that could ever happen to America, but HHHUUGGGGGEEEE props to him for getting to this place in the process.

'Anti-Establishment'? Hardly. I laugh robustly.

But it's a fascinating point in American history, even if it's a milestone as we swirl down the toilet.

Congrats, Donald. You f*#king psychopath sociopath. May you fail monstrously, on a scale as similar as your rise.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
'We can no longer afford to be politically correct.'

F*#K YES.

Insult them all, and f*#k 'em all.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
WTF...http://grist.org/politics/trump-jr-wants-his-dad-to-put-him-in-charge-of-federal-parks-and-lands/
kattz

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:29pm PT
Speech by Peter Thiel, one of the smartest men out there, at RNC.

And he has something to say about fake bathrooms "problem" (just like other fake "issues") and mentions he's proud to be gay, look at the ovation, here's the part:

https://youtu.be/eVHoGiSCfmU?t=4m5s


apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:29pm PT
"BUILD THE WALL"

"BUILD THE WALL"

"BUILD THE WALL"

"BUILD THE WALL"

"BUILD THE WALL"


(Insert Nazi Rally image here)
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
Ted Nugent would make a better secretary of the interior than Trump's Jr...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
"Our trade balance with China is $800 Billion!

We're gonna fix that!"
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:34pm PT
Is this guy EVER going to talk about what he would actually do?

Don't like Obama and Hillary? Fine, we get that. We know you want to defeat her.

BUT WHAT THE F*#K ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO CHANGE ANYTHING?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:35pm PT
The hate is strong in this thread.

Go Donald!!!

Suck it, b!tches!!! 😝😝😜
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:36pm PT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:36pm PT
Donald!

Donald!

Donald!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:40pm PT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-crime-stats_us_579153cae4b00c9876ced6e8?section=


What a lying sack of sh#t.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:43pm PT
Ivanka 2020...Billary should take notes. Michael moore is right. The masses need strength and guidance. Trump will be your next President
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:50pm PT
The Willy Horton trick worked last time maybe Trump can plagerize that play and send Hillary packing...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:55pm PT
The Golden Manatee spent at least 20 minutes ripping on Hillary. Now he's shifted to ripping on Obama.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?


"We are going to defeat ISIS, and we are going to do it FAST!"


HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
So right, Apogee.

He promises outcomes, ad nauseum, but not policies to get us there.

"The greatest danger to our country in our lifetimes." -Granholm

...

Robert Reich, guest on Bill Maher Live tonight, youtube, hbo.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
Pretty weak applause for the LGBTQ massacre.

Props to the Donald for getting the letters in the right order, though.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
OK...that was an interesting statement...

"We need to abandon the nation building and regime change strategy...."

Nevermind that this is a neo-con fundamental, and not at all a Hillary doctrine.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:04pm PT
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
We are going to defeat ISIS, and we are going to do it FAST!"


HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT?

It doesn't matter. All that matters is that you convince people that you are stronger and thus will protect the undeserved unfair privileges of America.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
Let's see...a summary of everything the Donald has included in his coronation...

*Hillary sucks
*Obama sucks
*ISIS will be defeated FAST
*Immigration needs to change (build a wall)

Did I miss anything?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:06pm PT
Ha! Tony Schwartz just tweeted that great line from Ivanka was his!! and it was from the Art of the Deal!

lol! Not 'donald to ivanka'!

"If you're going to be thinking anyway, you might as well think big."


hahaha

(That was one of her best lines in her speech.)

Should be easy enough to double check.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:09pm PT
They are having a field day...http://www.npr.org/2016/07/21/486883610/fact-check-donald-trumps-republican-convention-speech-annotated
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:11pm PT
Let's see...a summary of everything the Donald has included in his coronation...

Should we expect anything different with the democratic convention next week?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
Add to the summary:

*NAFTA sucks. We'll make America rich again.
*China sucks.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
Props to the Donald for getting the letters in the right order, though.

You know he was thinking BLT.

...


All aims, outcomes. I want to hear the policies for getting there!

I'm the greatest! I'm going to do Astroman! I'm going to do The Phoenix! I'm going to do Airstream!
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:13pm PT
you might as well think big
That's what she said
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:15pm PT
Unbelievable that this guy's voice has held up as long as it has. Any other candidate in history who makes it this far has started to fade well before this.

Must be his tiny hands.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
"Believe me...it will happen, and it will happen fast!"
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:19pm PT
I can't watch it.

I'm going to eat a home grown watermelon, do some yoga, and enjoy my evening.

Cheers, guys.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:19pm PT
^^^Really is that unbelievable?? Maybe you should realize that you have drank the coolade. You live in denial that your new God Hillary will save you.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:19pm PT
it is 1934 and you are watching and listening to Hitler scare and manipulate Germany
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:20pm PT
*Obamacare sucks.

*TSA sucks. (Ok, gotta agree with him on that one. Thanks, GWB.)
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
and good call dirtbag it is best to run from reality. Pretend your religion is right
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
Pay close attention kids; you are witnessing the rise of fascism.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:22pm PT
"My recently released 10 point plan..."

Source? Link?

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:22pm PT
It is scary. The republican party "As you sow, so shall you reap"
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
^^^edited..because I can be a moron...Sorry

edited ...

Pay close attention kids; you are witnessing the rise of fascism.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:25pm PT
Dear world. Please ignore what the loud guy in the suit is saying. Americans are nothing like him. We love our country and are proud of it. -Mark Cuban

Just drop the damn balloons already. -John Dingell
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:26pm PT
Trail ridge

Chill man. I'm not hiding. I've been saying he's a puke for months. I just don't need the aggravation of watching him spew sh#t all the time.

Sheesh.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:27pm PT
Pay close attention kids; you are witnessing the rise of fascism.

lol... the rise? Where have you been?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:33pm PT
Breaking...

Bill Clinton endorses Ivanka Trump for Whitehouse Intern






"Laughter is the best medicine."
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
Very dark speech, law and order, no talk of freedom or liberty, WTF
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
anybody who just watched this final night of the rnc and dismisses trump is another building block to his potentially becoming president.



start with the press attracting flubs and outrageousness of the first couple nights and then finish up on the final night with a gay capitalist, a well-spoken real estate investor followed by a well-spoken daughter and attempt to start closing the deal with the demogogue himself.

'cause whether calculated and intentional or chaotic and opportunistic... we all just got played like fiddles...

these last few days have been a master class in political propaganda...



because if any of you think what just happened wasn't intentional... well... you've either woken up from a six month coma or you have the attention span of goldfish...

trump is following exactly the same script he used to win the republican nomination... except just as he promised months ago, he's now shifting to pander to a new audience: now he's going to address the wage disparity between working mothers and their single counterparts and he's going to protect the lgtbq from violence...



it's going to be very interesting to see what the political machinery of america's "abuela" and her correct the record schills can muster in return... given the press scrum avoiding, painfully stilted and unnatural speech delivering mess of contradiction that hillary is, it's going to be one hell of an interesting next few months.

both camps have their work cut out for them... for almost exactly the opposite reasons.



who needs reality tv when you've got reality tv like this.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
Has there been a single image of Trump & Pence in the standard hands-clasped victory stance?

trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:39pm PT
The ignorance is frightening...



edited.. Because I can be a moron..sorry
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:39pm PT
Hey, how coincidental!

just learned Gavin Newsom on Bill Maher Live tonight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLjaaFT5uig
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:44pm PT
BEST presidential candidate speech i've heard in my lifetime!!!

LOTS of GUTS inthere!

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:55pm PT
So here is the situation as I see it:

There are a number of people on both sides who think he would be a total disaster. Most troubling are the experts in diplomacy and defense, who have come out in favor of Hillary.

But generally, it is people who have actual experience, who have generally been real patriots. You've also got pundits on the Repub side who have denounced him. George Will has quit the party over it.

So the people in the media who have access to people, who are generally well educated and experienced in these area, and know the ropes.... They must be very concerned.

Consider this: If you'd been a German newspaperman working in Germany while Hitler was arising, and you could read the writing on the wall, would you have done anything? Or, recognizing the opportunity if you shackle your wagon to his, would you become a cheerleader?

We are approaching a situation that reminds people of that, and what to do?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 21, 2016 - 08:55pm PT


Germany 1934
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:04pm PT
Germany 1934

No wake the f*#k up its 2016. No less dangerous nor safe.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:04pm PT
A couple of thoughts
He mentioned things that happened fifteen years ago. Umm, Bush was president.

How is he going to lower the murder rate in Chicago? Oh I know, put the blacks in jail.

I did notice that not everyone was clapping.

Oh, and it's "our", not "hour"
Thanks
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
Is there a greater value: reason vs determination
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
Trumps campaign strategy is brilliant...scaring and duping the dis-enfranchised tough guys of America into defeating the lying , evil , gun confiscating Hillary bitch... Meanwhile the tough guys are cowering and running for cover as Trump stands behind the curtain blowing steam and bellowing into a microphone .. .You tough- guy pussys unite and once you gather enough courage you can make America great again for Donald and his billionaire chump friends...
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:13pm PT
http://time.com/3577026/crime-rates-drop-1970s/


Crime is down under Obama, police killings are down under Obama.









Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:20pm PT
America is Gotham City and Donald is Batman.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:24pm PT

I don't care who you Americans vote for

I don't know Jim, you might want to.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:27pm PT
hey Jim, I guess I don't understand or am over thinking it... I will sleep on it. Bob, I wish this reality was merely a cartoon but clearly it is not. This is happening and all the Hillary loons believe that Trump will be easily defeated. From day one you have underestimated your enemy
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 21, 2016 - 09:34pm PT
I'm not a Hillary loon just a reasonable person left of center who would never vote for that man.


It will all wash out in November.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 21, 2016 - 10:11pm PT
^^^that guys language is nasty.

cruz played the god card to hard. can't do that anymore. he shoulda learned more from obamamama.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 21, 2016 - 10:31pm PT
Trump will renew his desperate attacks and re-visit the early 90's and try to prove that the Clintons did something illegal...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 21, 2016 - 10:52pm PT
you know the one thing i've always held hillary in high esteem over. is the fact she never publicly made a big stink over bill's debotchery. she coulda took the white house then. no, she forgave him and moved on!

for that i'll stand up and salute her.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 21, 2016 - 11:09pm PT
Cruz is crafty, I'll give you that.

He's taking a calculated risk that Trump will fail either in November or in the next four years, in which case he can come forward and say, 'see...I was the only Republican who called him out for what he was.'

Kinda like any politician who voted against the Iraq war...that was a useful card to have in the pocket.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...Cruz is yammering about 'principles' right now, and to some degree, he has a right. But all of you Cruz polishers should also smell his coffee...he's in this for the long run, and for his own selfish interests.
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:05am PT
must...have... Ivanka
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:50am PT
Crime is down under Obama, police killings are down under Obama.

Crime was down under Bush, police killings were down under Bush. What exactly is your point?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 07:21am PT
Without having read any of this, I'm guessing that the point is that crime is down, not up as Trump says.




DMT:

You seem a little testy lately. What's up. You're not longing for the greatness of yesteryear along with the rest of us?

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 07:33am PT
Escopeta posted
Crime was down under Bush, police killings were down under Bush. What exactly is your point?

I, too, post in the politics thread with no knowledge of what has happened in politics in the last 24 hours.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 07:41am PT
I know you've missed him Apogee (and others). So, here he is taking over for Cobert.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:03am PT
Escopeta wrote: "Crime was down under Bush, police killings were down under Bush. What exactly is your point?"



You are kidding right? That was the main theme of his speech last night, WTF???
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:03am PT
I, too, post in the politics thread with no knowledge of what has happened in politics in the last 24 hours.

To be fair, you appear to post on a great number of threads without knowing what's going on. What's your point?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:08am PT
Want some whiskey in your water?
Sugar in your tea?
What's all these crazy questions you;re askin' of me?
This is the craziest party that could ever be
Don't turn on the lights 'cause I don't wanna see
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:10am PT
Ho man, do I miss Jon!
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:11am PT
In an interview with The Washington Post published late Sunday, (July 17, 2016) Trump explained he can make decisions "with very little knowledge other than the knowledge I [already] had, plus the words 'common sense,' because I have a lot of common sense and I have a lot of business ability."
"I'm a very efficient guy," he said. "Now, I could also do it verbally, which is fine. I'd always rather have — I want it short. There's no reason to do hundreds of pages because I know exactly what it is."
Besides, he told The Post, he is often "more accurate than the guys who have studied it all the time."
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:17am PT
Crime is down under Obama, police killings are down under Obama.

Crime was down under Bush, police killings were down under Bush. What exactly is your point?

Wow, 8 years of crime down under Bush and another 8 years of it being down under Obama. That is impressive, 16 years is a grand downward trend.

The only thing, somebody isn't telling the truth...
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:25am PT
DMT:

You seem a little testy lately. What's up. You're not longing for the greatness of yesteryear along with the rest of us?

deemixxxytizzzl needs a break but he can't stop
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:35am PT
"Think how low they would have been if he hadn't tacitly endorsed them."

Yes and he is Muslim too, he wants all policemen shot.


Kinda stunned on your statement, even from you that is pretty f*#ked up.



High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:40am PT
That was good, skcreidc, thanks!
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:42am PT
^^^^^ funny as hell I thought :)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:50am PT
Not exactly, Jody.

Just saying that Cruz's motivations were not solely about his principles, nor were they solely about his 2020 aspirations. I do believe he was rightfully offended by the sh#t Trump sprayed about his wife & his father, but he is also a highly calculating politician, and is hoping this 'principle' narrative works when he tries to rise above the Trump ashes for another run at it.

It was not solely about his 'principles'. He's got a pretty solid history of deceitfulness, and there's a reason he's one of the least liked members of Congress.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 08:52am PT
Escopeta posted
To be fair, you appear to post on a great number of threads without knowing what's going on. What's your point?

I'm glad you can finally cop to not having a good understanding of events. What's your point?


Jody posted
Bob, look at his rhetoric in the days leading up to the police shootings. I didn't say he PURPOSELY tacitly endorsed it, but his rhetoric sure went that direction and fueled the flames that led to the police being murdered.

Only if you take the viewpoint that police are always justified in doing whatever they do whenever they do it and non-whites should be disproportionately policed. Is that your viewpoint?

Also, does your definition of "tacit approval" include "complete and total rejection?" Because Obama's actual comments acknowledged racial inequity in policing while totally denouncing violence against police.
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:54am PT
Cruz is counting on Donald getting blown out in a landslide and running as the "see, I told you so" candidate in 2020.

Yes, Trump savaged his family in the primary. So what? That's std fare for modern politics. Did Teddy expect something else, or somehow miss out on the last 40 years of GOP politics? I mean, he is well educated and smart, and surely understands what Lee Atwater, Roger Stone and co put into place as std GOP tactics when the southern strategy launched with Nixon.

If you are Ted, and truly interested in country over self, then you are more concerned about the Supreme Court appointments than some petty personal slights from an opponent in a nasty campaign. You can make the charitable assumption that Teddy really believes Trump has no chance to win and the court seats are a foregone conclusion and isn't in his mind betraying his party.

The Purity Purging aspect of the modern conservative movement was always bound to kill it off. The circle of "acceptable" conservatives gets smaller and smaller as any difference of opinion (or acceptance of science, fact, truth) in opposition to the std party line gets you booted. "Oh, you believe in human driven global warming? Beat it, you're not welcome here! Oh, you believe people are gay by genetics and not choice, well you don't belong either becase we are going to use Christian conversion therapy to pray the gay away"

Eventually, nobody is pure enough, the pool of potential rubes has been exhausted, and you're left with the true believing stragglers who have yet to see outside the Fox/Breitbart/Limbaugh bubble and recognize their entire political movement is teetering on the brink of extinction.

The cons are born losers. They are, philosophically, against change. And the one thing that is certain in this world is change.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:55am PT
Think how low they would have been if he hadn't tacitly endorsed them.

Maybe God hates police and wants them to be shot--makes about as much sense.

Curt
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:00am PT
Jody wrote: "Bob, look at his rhetoric in the days leading up to the police shootings. I didn't say he PURPOSELY tacitly endorsed it, but his rhetoric sure went that direction and fueled the flames that led to the police being murdered.


Not Jody a lone sick, crazy gunmen killed those policemen, Obama had nothing to do with it.

If anything the killing of black mens by police put that sick bastard over the edge.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:04am PT
Hardly anything you ever say makes sense. -Jody

Tell me again how Jesus rose from the dead on the third day.

Tell me again how God Jesus ordered demons out of a man and into pigs.

You and your party are an embarrassment.
What century is this?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:06am PT
How old's the earth, Jody?

Hardly anything you ever say makes sense. -Jody


Why do we have earthquakes, hurricanes and disease, Jody?

What century is this? What country is this?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 09:07am PT
Jody posted
P.S. Why do people sign their names to posts when their name is already on the post?

Easily the most poignant question Jody has ever asked on Supertopo. Why indeed?






David Duke just announced he will run for Senate in Louisiana. Get on the Duke train, c wilmot!

Duke's announcement came as the state is grappling with deep racial tensions after the shooting death of a black man by white police officers and the killing of three law enforcement officers by a black man. It also came one day after Donald Trump accepted the GOP nomination for president.

The white supremacist Duke is a former state representative who represented suburban New Orleans for one term more than two decades ago and was an unsuccessful candidate for Congress. His failed bid for governor in the 1991 race against former Gov. Edwin Edwards was one of Louisiana's most high-profile elections, with Duke opponents proudly showing bumper stickers supporting Edwards that read "Vote for the crook. It's important."

In a posting on his website, Duke said he'd been "urged by enormous numbers of people his district to run for United States Congress."
"With the country coming apart at the seams and no one willing to really speak the truth about what is happening, the majority population in this country needs someone who will actually give voice to their interests in the face of an increasingly violent hatefest launched by the media and political establishment against them," Duke's website says.

Duke is a convicted felon, pleading guilty in 2002 to bilking his supporters and cheating on his taxes. He spent a year in federal prison, but later denied any wrongdoing.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:08am PT
Jody...facts are painful to republicans. http://www.newser.com/story/228512/fact-checkers-find-many-flaws-in-trump-speech.html
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:09am PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:11am PT
Jody wrote: But your follow-up comment about police killings of black men needs some back-up. that comment implies that every time a black man is shot by police then it was just cold-blooded murder.



No it implies that they are like the rest of population, they make mistakes and 98 percent of them are good and do a very difficult job and should be held accountable for their actions. Some have committed murder.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:14am PT

With a couple of exceptions, that Late Show Clip nailed it. Especially regarding Fox News and Sean Hannity. Very funny.

Hannity is a fool, and buffoon. Even some of his "friends" contradict what he says.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 09:18am PT
Jody posted
But your follow-up comment about police killings of black men needs some back-up. that comment implies that every time a black man is shot by police then it was just cold-blooded murder.

Black people suffer police violence at grossly disproportionate rates to whites. The problem isn't bigoted cops it's that America has embraced the idea that black people are dangerous criminals and should be treated as such. We also accept the idea that police are generally in the right which means when police respond to a black kid with a toy gun and shoot him on sight we let it go whereas white men with assault rifles often get "talked down" and calmly arrested. Or in the case of the Bundy ranch, allowed to walk free entirely.

There are cases when it can be readily called murder and the only reason those cases are getting attention is because brave citizens are filming them and putting them online. Otherwise cops would just be covering for each other and moving on with life like we always have in this country.

The RNC crowd literally cheered when the officer was acquitted for the murder of a young man who suffered a broken neck and died while in police custody. You can't tell me that doesn't send a powerful message.

Police shot Philando Castile and Alton Sterling and then offered them no medical attention whatsoever. They just stood there while they bled to death.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:23am PT
Who will win the presidency?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Unchanged.

A 60/40 chance in favor of HRC is not comforting.


http://www.270towin.com/2016-election-forecast-predictions/

"Complacency is the enemy."
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:29am PT
Hardly anything you ever say makes sense.

Funny how God can explain anything, but only when aligned with your own personal political ideology.

Curt
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:32am PT
I agree with you about complacency, but it's too early to take those polls too seriously.

Gotta get past the Conventions at least a couple of weeks. Then things should start looking clearer.
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:33am PT
why are they so pissed about him

Jody, my take is that Trump supporters are authoritarians at heart, and Trump's "brand" in politics is Dominanace. Some news outlets have written about the authoritarian inclination being the best predictor of someone being a Trump supporter.

So it makes sense to me they are pissed. Because Ted is not accepting beintg dominated by Trump, and is not getting in line behind the strongman like a good authoritarian should. They see him as betraying them.

Personally, I find Cruz to be a slimy, smarmy, dishonest, retrograde nut. But he is cunning, highly intelligent, with a rebellious/anti-authority streak (ask Mitch McConnell!) To expect that he would have acted differently is not rational, but you know that the Trump supporters do really do "rational", they do "reactionary".
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 09:34am PT
I should add that this is why Trump's speech is so scary. He is very much selling the idea "America is beset on all sides and from within by brown people and only I can fix it through sheer overpower will." He has no specific plan, just a sense that he will crush America's enemies outside and within. Even his bit on LGBTQ was solely about protecting them from outside threats, not about protecting their rights as Americans.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:57am PT
The RNC crowd literally cheered when the officer was acquitted for the murder of a young man who suffered a broken neck and died while in police custody.

Would you back that up?

I don't know of anyone who cheered any of those acquittals. Then again, I don't watch cable news.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:08am PT
"Would you back that up?

I don't know of anyone who cheered any of those acquittals. Then again, I don't watch cable news."

It is also obvious you didn't watch the convention, they cheers loudly.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-brian-rice-acquittal-wins-applause-at-republican-national-convention-20160718-story.html


You might not watch cable TV and do you know how to use Google???
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:17am PT
I should add that this is why Trump's speech is so scary. He is very much selling the idea "America is beset on all sides and from within by brown people and only I can fix it through sheer overpower will." He has no specific plan, just a sense that he will crush America's enemies outside and within.

I'll admit that this sounds unusual after a decade of weakness. And if you look at everything through a racial lens. Trump isn't harping on 'the browns' because their brown or 'inferior' or whatever.

We are being screwed, and we don't care about the color doing it. Japan, China, Mexico, and our civilian-killing muzzie friends are all clear problems that need to be addressed. And we shouldn't have to kiss their asses to get things fixed.

We need to talk frankly about issues.

Even his bit on LGBTQ was solely about protecting them from outside threats, not about protecting their rights as Americans.


Well, he can just do no right, can he? I think he was referring to the fact that Republicans have a better plan for defending ALL PEOPLE from real intolerance, not perceived grievances.

Thiel did good to speak up proudly as a gay man, but to also emphasize that we should not be focusing on all this SOCIAL BULLSH#T right now. The crowd cheered that line!

He and Milo made great points at the convention.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:33am PT


Republicans have an absolutely hateful platform towards gays. Their applause is phony: they hate gay people.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:42am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:54am PT
Coolest. First. Lady. EVER.

Gonna miss her (as our FLOTUS).
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:58am PT
Republicans have an absolutely hateful platform towards gays. Their applause is phony: they hate gay people.


If you say so, I guess it's true, right? That's what everyone else is doing.

Repubs are also racists who hate minorities, hate women, and minority lesbians too, right?

There's only one little problem. That's just your opinion. Republicans don't celebrate gay lifestyles, they celebrate people. They celebrate success and freedom, and that means also being gay.

But, like religion, these social issues should take a back seat to more relevant, more important issues that effect ALL AMERICANS.

To focus and gays, women, men, or one aspect of American culture is stupid and divisive.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:00am PT
Jesus, blue....you are so divorced from reality on that point.

Look at what dirtbag said:

"Republicans have an absolutely hateful platform towards gays."

Platform.

He didn't say that all Republicans are hateful towards gays...he said the PARTY has a hateful PLATFORM towards gays.

And that is undeniably true.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:05am PT
I can foresee a not-sub-par ticket of

Cruz & Cruise

in 2020.

Scientology shakes hands with the Devil.

Tom's teeth are way better and he's gonna have to "back off" on some that sodomy business and Ted's gonna have to submit to (at least one) rectal E-meter reading.



bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:22am PT
"Republicans have an absolutely hateful platform towards gays."

That's a fair enough distinction, but hateful? I don't see it.

This is the problem that the Left created, rather cleverly from Orwell, a way to change language. Change the language, and the meaning of words/phrases.

Hateful? That would describe a radical Islamist just as he launches another fag from the roof of a building, because he was gay. (Not a lot lesbians we know of in that culture, yet).

The republican party does not hate gay people. They tend to disagree with that lifestyle. Is that a problem?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:24am PT
Yes
it is a problem

They are implementing laws that allow for discrimination against LBGTQ

Legalizing discrimination against any group is Not part of our Constitution
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:26am PT
One of the biggest issues you have with Islam is the fact that they are oppressive of individual rights, correct?

The GOP has a clear, demonstrated history of legislatively oppressing the individual rights of LGBT's.

Got it?

Stop acting coyly obtuse, bluering.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:33am PT
The republican party does not hate gay people. They tend to disagree with that lifestyle. Is that a problem?

gay lifestyle? You mean because they like to hang out together and have sex, right?

I agree Blue that is not a problem for individual republicans to feel or think that way

but I do think it is a problem in that it negatively hurts Republican Politicians chances to get elected

not that there are that many gay people who vote, maybe less than 10%, but the problem is that the Republican party is then seen, viewed, as being less tolerant of groups of people they don't like or agree with

and you gotta get elected first in order to put your party's platform into law, right?

The Republicans have lost the popular vote now in 5 of the last 6 Presidential elections so it seems pretty clear that the voters have some real problems with the party

any thoughts as to why that is, anyone?
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:34am PT
This doesn't exactly scream "we love you" to certain populations in my opinion. Maybe others see it differently.

Marriage, Family, and Society

Foremost among those institutions is the American family. It is the foundation of civil society, and the cornerstone of the family is natural marriage, the union of one man and one woman. Its daily lessons — cooperation, patience, mutual respect, responsibility, self-reliance — are fundamental to the order and progress of our Republic. (from page 31)

We oppose policies and laws that create a financial incentive for or encourage cohabitation. (page 31)

Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states. We oppose government discrimination against businesses or entities which decline to sell items or services to individuals for activities that go against their religious views about such activities. (Pps 31-32)

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 11:36am PT
EdwardT asked
Would you back that up?

I don't know of anyone who cheered any of those acquittals. Then again, I don't watch cable news.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/18/rnc-convention-cheers-freddie-gray-cops.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl
http://www.wbaltv.com/politics/analyst-rnc-missed-opportunity-to-bridge-racial-divide/40785390
http://gawker.com/rnc-cheers-acquittal-of-officer-involved-in-freddie-gra-1783885796
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-convention-freddie-gray_us_578d85c5e4b0c53d5cfab360

Videos included


bluering posted
I'll admit that this sounds unusual after a decade of weakness. And if you look at everything through a racial lens. Trump isn't harping on 'the browns' because their brown or 'inferior' or whatever.

We are being screwed, and we don't care about the color doing it. Japan, China, Mexico, and our civilian-killing muzzie friends are all clear problems that need to be addressed. And we shouldn't have to kiss their asses to get things fixed.

We need to talk frankly about issues.

I appreciate you bluering because you perfectly embody what most of us are trying to make clear. You even tossed in an epithet! Perfect. "Getting screwed" is code for "losing privilege. "Taking care of business" and "talking frankly" are just code words for "reestablishing white dominance." It's not that you explicitly think that brown people are inferior, it's that you are uncomfortable with the idea of them being treated as equals. Some might say those are the same thing.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:38am PT
Fine, vote Democrat.

This is the problem with the Dem party you don't get. Obsession with silly, trivial stuff. Ignoring the realities.

Gays are fine. Ask Milo.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:40am PT
HDDJ - You da best.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 11:48am PT
bluering posted
This is the problem with the Dem party you don't get. Obsession with silly, trivial stuff. Ignoring the realities.


Again, this is beautiful because you are so eager to scream "oppression." When faced with the reality of oppression in America you dismiss it as "trivial" and "silly."

Can you actually articulate how Japan, China and Mexico are "screwing us?" Because the United States still has one of the healthiest economies in the world. Most of the structural changes that resulted in loss of wealth or loss of jobs were due to decisions made by our own businesses. Jobs went to China because American businesses saw it was profitable to do so. The fact that you think it's China's fault is perfectly demonstrative of your bias. Japan has been struggling for years. How are they "screwing us?" Mexico is hugely dependent on the US economy and NAFTA crushed jobs in Mexico in a similar way that it did in the US. Certain people lost their jobs while others got new ones. The people who lost their jobs tended to be unskilled laborers and farmers and saw little opportunity outside moving to the United States. Corn farmers, for instance, were decimated in Mexico because the US subsidizes corn. If you were a corn farmer you moved to where the corn jobs were....America.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:49am PT
This doesn't exactly scream "we love you" to certain populations in my opinion. Maybe others see it differently.

Marriage, Family, and Society

Foremost among those institutions is the American family. It is the foundation of civil society, and the cornerstone of the family is natural marriage, the union of one man and one woman. Its daily lessons — cooperation, patience, mutual respect, responsibility, self-reliance — are fundamental to the order and progress of our Republic. (from page 31)

We oppose policies and laws that create a financial incentive for or encourage cohabitation. (page 31)

Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states. We oppose government discrimination against businesses or entities which decline to sell items or services to individuals for activities that go against their religious views about such activities. (Pps 31-32)

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/


I don't see any problem with this personally. Most Western cultures would concur, I believe.

The problem is confusing this "platform" with other forms of "intolerance".

I do not have to accept all forms of behavior and sexuality, do I? I do not have intolerance for this behavior, but if you start to push something as 'mainstream' that goes counter to my traditional lifestyle, am I not supposed to speak out? Even voice my dissent?

I have to accept this?

EDIT:
I appreciate you bluering because you perfectly embody what most of us are trying to make clear. You even tossed in an epithet! Perfect. "Getting screwed" is code for "losing privilege. "Taking care of business" and "talking frankly" are just code words for "reestablishing white dominance." It's not that you explicitly think that brown people are inferior, it's that you are uncomfortable with the idea of them being treated as equals. Some might say those are the same thing.

Ugghh..code-words, huh? I guess you have me all figured out.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:50am PT
The Dems obsess with trivial stuff?

Then why the hell did the REPUBLICANS put it in their platform?

They apparently don't think it's trivial.

Courtesy of Crimper, the Platform:

Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states. We oppose government discrimination against businesses or entities which decline to sell items or services to individuals for activities that go against their religious views about such activities. (Pps 31-32)

Let's time warp this 60 years back:

Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman of one race and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states. We oppose government discrimination against businesses or entities which decline to sell items or services to individuals outside their race for activities that go against their religious views about such activities. (Pps 31-32)

See the problem?

(I suspect not.)

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:54am PT
why do you folks engage bluering in a dialogue?
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:55am PT
There is a difference in what you personally believe, like, dislike, want to talk about, and what a political party that is seeking to hold power and create policy in this country states clearly is their intent. Big difference.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:57am PT
The dems are obsessed with trivial stuff like keeping the Supreme Court of our Judicial system up and running according to the constitution, while the repubs have their eyes on the ball by keeping our bathrooms safe for uptight white men who's wives are at home worried about their man's job.

Our greatest human asset is that if we put our mind to it, we can believe anything.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:02pm PT
There is a difference in what you personally believe, like, dislike, want to talk about, and what a political party that is seeking to hold power and create policy in this country states clearly is their intent. Big difference.


I agree, Crimpie.

I don't think Repubs have plans to outlaw gay-marriage Federally, or crack down on sodomy laws. Or whatever.

It's more of a statement of personal values. I don't think Federal policy under this policy statement will change.

It was re-meat for evangelicals. Nothing more.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:05pm PT
This certainly helps explain a lot...

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/11/1537582/-The-most-thorough-profound-and-moving-defense-of-Hillary-Clinton-I-have-ever-seen
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:09pm PT
"Obsession with silly, trivial stuff."


You obviously don't know many LGBT's whose lives have been oppressed (or at least severely limited, in their ability to live their lives the way they want to, and the way the Constitution says that ALL Americans are supposed to be able to do. They certainly don't consider this to be silly or trivial.

Or maybe you just don't give a sh#t about the kind of oppression that doesn't affect you.

Edit:
"It was re-meat for evangelicals. "

Ummm....did you watch Trump's speech last night? He didn't give any red meat on this issue...matter of fact, he tried to cozy up to the LGBT crowd, and there was tepid applause, at best.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
Or maybe you just don't give a sh#t about the kind of oppression that doesn't affect you.

Honestly, that nails it pretty well. And not just with me.

The problem comes in how you define 'oppression'.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
Well, if that's the case, then stop talking about it, blue. You don't know anything about it, you don't care about it, so drop it.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:20pm PT
well, if I were a person who votes Republican then I would indeed be concerned

you just can't keep alienating entire sections of the American people and expect to win elections

yet Republicans keep doing that, and they keep losing Presidential elections

you can tick off the groups that oppose what Republicans "stand for"

women vote more than men and they vote more Democratic than Republican

Hispanics, American citizens of "south of border ancestry" overwhelming same thing

Black, Asians, American Indians, all vote strongly against Republicans

people with post high school, as in college educated, more likely to vote against Republicans

you just can't afford to keep adding to the list if you hope to compete in elections

and now the LBGT community has joined the list in not supporting Repubicans

there are only so many white, male, "less educated" people around to keep Republicans in business and that is a shame as I would like to see a strong two or three party system in America
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
Well, if that's the case, then stop talking about it, blue. You don't know anything about it, you don't care about it, so drop it.


I know a bit about it because I'm incessantly inundated with the pro-LGBT 'cause' that is so popular now.
How could I not not be force-fed this stuff if consuming any media. It's f*#king everywhere!
Nobody talks about jobs/economy and the general welfare of our Republic. Just the f*#king gays, Black Lives Matter, and trannies now.

Is it any wonder it gets tiring?

EDIT:

Norton says, predictably;
well, if I were a person who votes Republican then I would indeed be concerned

Oh, that's very good insight, Norton!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:24pm PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/07/22/donald-trumps-creepy-fascist-infomercial/


CLEVELAND — We have always been at war with Eurasia. Snowball the Pig is responsible for everything that is wrong on the farm. How fortunate we are to have Donald Trump.

Donald Trump is the miracle product that will fix everything that is wrong in your home. He is also your father figure (put your little hand in his), who will be your preacher, teacher (everything you had in mind). He’ll be your dream, your wish, your fantasy, your hope, your love, everything that you need. Truly, madly, deeply, he loves you.

He is the way, the truth and the life. None shall be saved except through him.

He will protect you. He will fix your aching bones and your bad hearing and when you walk home at night you will know that nothing can harm you, because Trump is there. You will get a good-paying job. The thing in the shadows that frightens you will melt away as if it were never real to begin with. (And perhaps it wasn’t.)

Praise Trump from whom all blessings flow. Believe him.

He will also build a wall. It will be as tall as you want it to be. If you want the moon (Newt Gingrich does!) he will throw a lasso around it and pull it down for you. He will solve all your problems.

Why should you believe that he will do this? Listen, you’re awful nosy, aren’t you? Isn’t the word of Donald Trump’s children enough for you? (I would say, “And the words of his wife, Melania,” but those turned out not to be her words.) They have spent the last four days praising him to the skies.

Say what you will about dictators, royalty, mafia dons, supervillains and Trumps, they have a well-defined aesthetic. You get an immense, Wonderful Wizard of Oz-scale picture of your head, some flags, and then you stand in front of it with your well-groomed family, and they say that if only people knew the real you, they would admit that you were great.

Thus, Thursday night kicked off with a long, rambling speech from someone who had once seen Donald Trump write a nice note to a young boy in the middle of a Mike Tyson fight. (This was the nicest story that anyone who was not literally related to Donald Trump could come up with.)


His daughter Ivanka introduced her father, saying that he had been extremely kind to and supportive of her. (If there is one thing we learned this week, it is that Donald Trump is very nice to his children. But hear me out: What if Donald Trump maybe treats his children differently than he does most people? Could that be it? In general, if the only people willing to recommend you for a position are literally members of your family, it’s a sign that something is wrong.)

And then Donald Trump began to do what he has meant to do this whole time: talk about Donald Trump.

If Barack Obama was supposed to be your new bicycle, then Donald Trump is your new miracle juicer. He looks better on TV than he actually is. He is mostly plastic and he probably won’t work when you get him home. But the commercial makes him sound like the solution to everything that ails you.

In this case, he went on for 76 (such a patriotic number!) minutes, advertising himself.

“I love you,” Donald Trump said.

“I am your voice,” Donald Trump said.

“Believe me,” Donald Trump said.

“We will never ever make bad deals,” Donald Trump said.

“Nobody knows the system better than me,” Donald Trump said, “which is why I alone can fix it.”

How? There is no how. All that has to happen for a thing to be so is for Donald Trump to say it. This is certainly how all his statistics work.

Clear your mind of questions.

See, Donald Trump is always right. If he says that Hillary is damaging our prestige in the world by leading from behind, then the problem is that Hillary is damaging our prestige in the world by leading from behind. If he says that America needs to stop upholding its obligations to NATO, then the problem is that NATO is taking advantage of us and we need to stop being had.

He will bring back law and order and end lawlessness, but also he will decrease regulations. We need more law and order, but also we need fewer laws and more freedom.

Whatever is wrong, Donald Trump will fix it, even if it contradicts the thing he just fixed. Believe him. The system is broken, and Donald Trump will fix it, by winning. He will make only good deals. This idea has never occurred to America before, to make only good deals. Donald Trump will try it, for once.

The truths of religion are not the same as the truths of daily life. Faith has to get you through the day with the promise that things will improve. It does not have to withstand strict logical scrutiny. It can be an article of faith that something is two contradictory things at once. There is a hidden logic to its incoherence. It coheres because it offers a single system for fixing everything that ails you. It answers all your woes. It fits all complaints. Just like Donald Trump. Everything he touches with his hands — which are the correct size — he cures, or at least turns to gold-colored brass.

Donald Trump is selling America a miracle juicer. The juicer is Donald Trump. It is orange and it will never let you down. If you order now, Donald Trump will send you another one free.


Donald Trump will make America great again. “Great” is a vague word. It means whatever you want it to mean. Donald Trump will make America that place you see when you close your eyes.

And the crowd cheered, “Yes you will!”

You love Donald Trump. He will be a dear, dear leader.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
I'm sending you an e-mail, Ding.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:34pm PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-the-candidate-of-the-apocalypse/2016/07/21/b8ae8fbc-4f7e-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html

As for law and order, the president has at most indirect influence over thousands of law enforcement agencies across the country. To the extent it can be taken seriously at all, Mr. Trump’s assertion that “safety will be restored” on the day of his inauguration implies a vast federalization of a traditional state and local function, contrary to long-standing law and custom — not to mention the small-government doctrine of the Republican Party that has so unwisely and hypocritically hitched its wagon to Mr. Trump’s star.
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:35pm PT
don't think Repubs have plans to outlaw gay-marriage Federally

Maybe you should actually read the party platform, that's exactly what they plan to do! From the GOP Platform:

"Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states."
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:35pm PT
That was excellent, Ken. :)
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:37pm PT
So, let me get this straight...he should have kissed the butt of a man that insulted him and his family for months, and gone AGAINST his principles, in the interest of "party unity", and at the expense of what he feels is right for the country...and that would NOT have been selfish? He feels the best way to attain a goal is to be true to his core convictions and stand on his principles, at the risk of political doom, and THAT is selfish?

No, what matters is what he said that he would do, and it was not to dis Trump on national TV, in an opportunity given to him by Trump.

It means his word is worth nothing, and that he throws integrity out the window and damages his party, when he feels like it. A fifth columnist, like the non-American-born that he is.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
I can't wait for the Dem convention...

"the party of unity". Yay!!! The Dems just love everybody. Hillary is awesome!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:47pm PT
"...what matters is what he said that he would do, and it was not to dis Trump on national TV..."

Where did Cruz say that he wouldn't diss Trump? Or that he planned on endorsing him?

And more importantly, why the hell would Manafort & co allow him that kind of time, in the slot right before Pence?

Why not a Rubio-style video that they could tightly control?

Poor planning, poor campaign management. Can you imagine what he'd be like actually dealing with difficult issues?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2016 - 12:54pm PT
Apogee, that is the type of agreement that occurs in the backroom. However, I saw a number of Trump surrogates who talked in interviews about how Cruz "went back on his word".

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 01:17pm PT
Anything distasteful to say about Hitlery, Locker?

Or do you only reserve honest analysis for Repubs, ignore the Dem 'body odors'?

Maybe you're just a pussy though and you fear the obvious retribution if you commented on Hillary's appearance? Or any other Dem or minority?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 22, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
Oh brother, blue. You think any of us Hillary supporters are 100% cool with her?

If you've paid any attention (obviously you haven't), you'd notice pretty much all Hillary voters saying that they aren't crazy about her, but compared to actual crazy, she's obviously the better choice, and the one who will serve more of our interests than the Golden Manatee.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 01:45pm PT
You think any of us Hillary supporters are 100% cool with her?

I am.

I am not 100% crazy about her but I'd say I am 100% cool with her.


All that hillary hate has a long long long history that is baseless that folks (like to) forget. That, together
with simple partisan gameplay, is why it exists.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 02:02pm PT
Pretty sure it'll be Kaine...

Oh I hope not. I'd like to see more charisma (X Factor) on the ticket.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 22, 2016 - 02:03pm PT
Kaine fluent in spanish...? Could come in handy for building the wall unless we sub it out to the chinese...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 02:13pm PT
bluering posted
Honestly, that nails it pretty well. And not just with me.

The problem comes in how you define 'oppression'.


How do you defined "oppression?"



why do you folks engage bluering in a dialogue?

Because he's honestly interested in it and is willing to express his views earnestly most of the time. And he's not nearly so obnoxious now that he's sober. (Congrats on that, blue)
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 22, 2016 - 02:30pm PT
Conservatives are all cherry pickers of their parties platform.

The LBGTQ stuff doesn't affect bluring, so he doesn't care what the GOP does.

Some others don't like the Christian stuff

some like the low taxes
some like to just whine about immigrants

But they all come together to vote GOP EVEN though the things they don't like about the GOP do affect them, Like low wages and job insecurity.
They hurt their own lives, but either don't know it, or Don't Care

Because they get their one red meat issue that the GOP lets them gorge on.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 02:35pm PT
Go back and listen to Ivanka's speech which included vague mentions of equal rights in the workplace and equal pay.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 02:37pm PT
How do you defined "oppression?"

I only know that it is misused. White people in South Africa are 'oppressed' now. After the liberation to the black liberation gov't.

Is that oppression or 'justice'. I guess it's in the 'eye of the beholder'.

Oppression in America? Really? With all the f*#king lawyers running around LOOKING FOR LAWSUITS!

EDIT:
Go back and listen to Ivanka's speech which included vague mentions of equal rights in the workplace and equal pay.


Good for her! Some pundits have problems with tht. Gov't mandated pay rates, that is.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 22, 2016 - 02:44pm PT
Ivanka is a Democrat

Half the stuff she said were pure Liberal feel good policies

The other half was lying about how her father would implement them


If Republicans like bluring only knew that everything they hate: is exactly what the Republican Congress are trying to make happen and keep as the status quo

Do you think Mitch McConnell is going to go for any of these Trump Proposals???


Hell No, Mitch is going renegotiate the trade treaties so we get f*#ked even harder,
TPP, it's a Republican Agenda item

What kind of economic opportunities is Paul Ryan going to deal out to Americans? Zero, he is taking them away instead.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
Ivanka is a Democrat

Half the stuff she said were pure Liberal feel good policies

The other half was lying about how her father would implement them


Alright, so vote Trump.

Yer still not getting into her pants. Funny how you would just 'use' Repub women because they "sound" Democrat and are hot.

Shameful, I tell you, shameful!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 22, 2016 - 02:56pm PT
Oppression in America? Really? With all the f*#king lawyers running around LOOKING FOR LAWSUITS!

The LBGTQ, latinos, blacks, handicapped and poor are the ones oppressed,
WHY?
because they can't afford lawyers or have lobbyists.

I thought you knew how to apply critical thinking skills now.
I'm sorry, they are still lacking

Try again


Sorry
Don't want in her pants
I hate Ivanka, she is pure fake BS on TV
fake bOObs, fake face, fake fake fake
maybe she's a good mom


think really hard bluring through the next sentence!!!

She was a REGISTERD Democrat in JUNE, and couldn't vote for her Father in the Primaries, that was only a couple months ago

So please repeat after me, she is a Democrat
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 03:13pm PT
Hillary is moderately offensive!

She'd do Ivanka and unlike anyone here H. has a chance.

You know how I. loves wealth and power.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 03:23pm PT
bluering posted
I only know that it is misused. White people in South Africa are 'oppressed' now. After the liberation to the black liberation gov't.


How?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 03:45pm PT
Things we learned from the RNC:


1. Trump cannot organize. The premise of his campaign is that he's an amazing businessman and a world class manager but the convention was a shitshow. Each night had a theme but virtually none of that speeches followed that theme. The day on "Making America Work Again" contained almost no content on jobs and turned largely into "imprison Clinton." Speeches were not vetted for content, theme, and in Malania's case, plagiarism. Speakers were not scheduled in a way that built energy and so someone like Laura Ingram who burned the place to the ground (and then appeared to give a Nazi salute which was odd) would be followed by a total snooze nobody knew.

2. Trump is not a respected businessman. Despite him being a pseudo-billionaire there was not a single speaker who was another businessman speaking well of Donald Trump. Nobody who said "I got creamed by Donald Trump but he's a serious guy who gets business and will be a business president." Despite having a show that is based on him mentoring business people, there was nobody who said that he had mentored them to great success other than his children. There were no people who worked in Trump enterprises who left and started their own successful busines who paid homage to the amazing lessons they learned from coming up through the Trump business empire. The one major businessman who spoke was a tech billionaire who is supporting Trump ideologically and has never actually done business with him.

3. Trump, and Republicans at large, has no specific policy ideas. There was no major policy agenda forwarded at the convention. There was an avocado farmer who said that she would do better if we stopped importing avocados from Mexico. That was it.

4. Trump always needs someone to blame and knows that's what Republicans want. That's basically what the convention (and Trump's speech) was about. You are hurting. It's someone else's fault. We will make them pay.

5. Trump (and Republicans in general) largely believes in an America that does not exist. The economy is doing better than he says. Crime is far lower than he claims. Immigration from south of the border has been net negative or even. Police are not statistically any higher at risk. Romney/Ryan claimed that they would get unemployment below 6% in 4 years. It's well under 6%. They said that Medicaid spending would balloon out of control if we didn't block grant it. Medicaid spending is billions of dollars lower than predicted and we expanded it. Despite that, they are pitching the exact same economic ideas.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jul 22, 2016 - 03:53pm PT
I am not 100% crazy about her but I'd say I am 100% cool with her.

All that hillary hate has a long long long history that is baseless that folks (like to) forget. That, together
with simple partisan gameplay, is why it exists.



Hillary is not the evil caricature of Fox news and 20 years of Republican mud slinging. But there is plenty to dislike:

I don't like the Clinton dynasty thing.

Is there any reason to think she is a Felon, no. But the Clinton's wealth has been attained in a pretty sleazy manner. Maybe no worse than many politicians and maybe they are just better at it. Still not thrilled by it.

I would actually like somebody younger than Hillary (although Trump and many of the other contenders are older). Reagan didn't have the mental fortitude for the job by his last year in office. Aging affects different people differently but the POTUS is under a huge amount of stress and older people generally get worse.

She is far more Neocon/pro-Israel/pro boots-on-the-ground than I like.

Her negatives are huge. Again, some of the can be attributed to successful efforts of R's to smear her the last 20 years, but it is still a negative. If Hillary wins in 2016, she will almost certainly be nominated in 2020 (incumbent presidents don't lose their party nominations: Carter didn't, Ford didn't, Hillary won't). Hillary will likely lose to any reasonable R in 2020 and I could see her losing to an unreasonable R in 2020. That is scary.

I do think she is pragmatic/wonkish and will be effective in foreign policy (if a bit too hawkish).
c wilmot

climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 04:00pm PT
Her foreign policy was disastrous. Unless you think Islamic terrorist groups called " rebels" beheading children with us aid is a good idea
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 04:06pm PT
How about LGBTQRC (Rogue Cop)?

I really had never heard "Q" in this context until it uttered forth from Trump's mouth.

"Q" = Queer?

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 04:12pm PT
Jody posted
Holy crap! I just noticed in the last couple of days that LGBT added a Q.

Welcome to 2012.

Why stop there? How about LGBTQPZ?

Whatever...


Acceptance is sooooo harrrrrd.


Just like law-abiding gun owners and the NRA have nothing to do with mass shootings, right Bob?

Almost nobody dies in mass shootings and yet we still manage to kill 33,000 Americans and injure 90,000 every year to guns.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 22, 2016 - 04:14pm PT
"Just like law-abiding gun owners and the NRA have nothing to do with mass shootings, right Bob?"



You are correct.


I have different issues with NRA. :-)

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 04:16pm PT
August posted
But the Clinton's wealth has been attained in a pretty sleazy manner. Maybe no worse than many politicians and maybe they are just better at it. Still not thrilled by it.


Really? Nearly all of the Clintons' wealth is from speaker fees after Bill was President. That's sleazy?
c wilmot

climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 04:18pm PT
Speaker fees are code words for bribes
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 22, 2016 - 04:29pm PT
cwilmot...http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-donald-trump-makes-speaking-fees-compared-everyone-else-2015-8


sociopath...http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/07/trump-and-sociopathy/491966/
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 22, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
if lgbtq seems tricky, then minds are going to be blown by the longer versions that some groups use...

LGBTQIA: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Queer, Intersex, Asexual

LGBTQQIAAP: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Allies, Pansexual

LGBTTIQQ2SA: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Transgender, Intersex, Queer, Questioning, 2-Spirited, Allies



this has been a public service announcement... now back to your previously scheduled programming...
c wilmot

climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 04:39pm PT
Most politicians are sociopaths. It's how they got there
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 22, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
Lol ,that is truly hillaryous.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 22, 2016 - 04:42pm PT
ligbutique works, way quicker than spelling it out
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:03pm PT
Q = Questioning!!!

Get used to it.

Not queer.

It equals allowing humans to question their sexuality.

Here is the test.
What was the sexuality that You were "Born" with?

I never "Choose" to love vaginas, I was "Born" to love them.

Others are "Born" with other sexual identities that they did not "choose"

Some are "questioning" what their sexual identity is

If you accept science, you would accept the concept that ~10% of ANY/ALL populations of humans have sexual identities that are in the group of LBGTQ.

How about that J. Edgar Hoover?
Did he choose to be flaming Homo? NO
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:04pm PT
Speaker fees are code words for bribes

shhh we wouldn't want hidesertKID to get knocked off the high horse!


the RNC convention was so fun to watch.

Donald spoke 100%

liberals heads are exploding all over.. YOUR GONNA LOOSE!
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:13pm PT
Just like law-abiding gun owners and the NRA have nothing to do with mass shootings, right Bob

Granted on the law-abiding gun owners, but dead wrong on the NRA, which promotes, fosters and perpetuates the crazy gun uber und fur alles mentality that leads to killings.

All in the $service of more profits for the merchants of death.



Q-wise

Why and when did it show up? The LGB (though not so much T) community has long embraced 'queer' as a postive.

Remember "we're here, we're queer'. They rallied 'round it when the owner of Barney's Beanery banned "queers".




Trump-wise. He's going to lose big time. Shades of Goldwater. Get used to it.







Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:14pm PT
Kaine it is for VP

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288582-clinton-picks-kaine-for-vp

Curt
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:20pm PT
^Typical Trump stealing others works.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:21pm PT
Curt...good pick, great moderate, the far lefties and the far righties do no elect presidents.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:21pm PT

What happened to my buddy bluring?
I thought we were having a nice debate
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:25pm PT
VP Pick Tim Kaine it is

Not excited
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
Clinton could nominate a pile of sh#t turning white in the sun, and she'll still wipe the floor with orange drumpf come November..
Norton

Social climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:34pm PT
Tim is not exciting like a Bernie Sanders

but what he is a really good guy, extremely clean, a policy wonk, highly regarded in congress

he will have no problem destroying Mike Pence in the VP debate

give Tim a chance, he has been vetted by smart people and will work well with Hillary
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:35pm PT
Voting for Hillary and Kaine is voting for the Progressive Liberal Democratic Party Platform.

The candidates represent the Party Platform, and if they don't, we can vote them out.

The essence of Democracy.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:41pm PT
^Obama does support the NRA, right? He signed the bill allowing guns in the National Parks, so sure throw him on the woodpile, but I don't see anywhere that his rhetoric approaches say that of LaPierre (French for gun toting fagot? not in a sexual way, just ineffectual).



Norton

Social climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 05:48pm PT
President Obama has done more to advance the rights of gun owners than any President in my lifetime.

Within his first two years in office he signed legislation allowing me, a concealed carry holder, to carry into the state parks in my state

in addition he signed legislation allowing me to transport my gun when I ride the Amtrak which I do occasionally

Republican President Bush had both a Republican House and Senate and could not even get these gun owners advances done.

In contrast, it was Republican Ronald Reagan who signed into law the very restrictive
Brady Bill

and by the way, I agree that there isn't any difference between buying a gun from a dealer or buying a bun in the newspaper, if one has to have background checks then the other should to, and that makes sense to me as a gun owner and I support President obama in suggesting, against all odds, that we pass at least some additional work to help the FBI and police departments identify and link gun sales and gun crimes, makes sense
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:02pm PT
Two words for Chump supporters...Bernie Madoff

"Trust me, I will fix it so fast"
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
Q-wise for zBrown...

as CFry mentions it can mean questioning to some groups... in general and as a rule though, at this point in history, it does mean queer...

as far as why? in order to include more of the rainbow that did not identify as L, G, B or T. that said it can also include those who identify as L, G, B, or T as well, because the origination of the word queer was generally rooted in an academic/political/activist agenda and has more to do with the self-identification of a person relative to the heteronormative and cis-gendered prevalent cultures than it does with a generally agreed universal definition. as a result of this, queer is generally a word that one should only use to describe someone who self-identifies as such. there are many L, G, B, T, and other individuals who are not interested in being included under the "queer" umbrella due to their experience with what to them is a pejorative that they are not interested in reclaiming.

when? the word queer started to become reclaimed in the mid to late 80s and according to the interwebs started to be added to lgbt to become lgbtq in the mid-90s. but in general, lgbtq didn't move outside of activist circles, as far as i saw, until the latter aughts.



the more you know...
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
Trump zombies...lies lies and more lies.


http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/21/donald-told-21-fact-checked-proven-lies-acceptance-speech.html
labrat

Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
There seems to be some confusion between bringing guns into State parks vs National parks...

Obama was involved in allowing guns in National Parks...
WBraun

climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:14pm PT
All POTUS always lie lie lie thru the C.I.A.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:15pm PT

And he's not nearly so obnoxious

....

now that he's sober. (Congrats on that, blue)

.........
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
So Kaine might turn out to have a leadership quality that's reassuring, comforting - like Captain Aubry ("Lucky Jack") in Master and Commander. :)

Clinton Kaine 2016!

Curt, it looks like you won our little game. Shucks.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:28pm PT

Cnn liberal data..
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
Trump: "I get bribes! I get the BEST bribes! I know more about bribes than anyone!"
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:35pm PT
zBrown, you don't get it. His anti-cop rhetoric is what I am talking about.

Pointing out that cops shouldn't murder blacks is "anti-cop" rhetoric. Got it.

Curt
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 06:49pm PT
I think Obama is likely anti-rogue cop, as am I.

Similarly, I'd say we're both pro good cop (like my uncle and his son - Detroit center city - both fairly racist, but never killed anyone white or black).
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 07:02pm PT
So we better hope he's as good as Pence in the debate.
I'd hate to see the Presidency turn on such a trivial thing.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 07:22pm PT
I hope Hillary takes the high road in the debates (I think she will) but subtly troll him into the gutter, which I think would be easy.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:23pm PT
running around making like cops see some poor innocent black man walking down the street and the cops just decide to shoot him for sport. In nearly all of these the person that was shot did something stupid to get shot.

C'mon Jody. You don't really believe that do you?

First, the po-lice do not have the authority to execute someone for being stupid, even if true and you know what, reaching into your pocket for license and registration as demanded is not even stupid.

Stop defending mental defectives and support those who aren't.







thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:39pm PT
And the cops are eventually exonerated in nearly all of these insistences.


structural support much?




fukk state-sponsored extrajudicial violence. for they know not that they reap(ed) by what they sow.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:42pm PT
Hehehe, and who is the media arm of BLM? Ben Carson? Herman Caine?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:49pm PT
You gwine hafta prove that one Jody.

I do not follow the BLM as closely as you apparently do, but I'll keep an open mind on it.

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 22, 2016 - 08:53pm PT

dude clearly needs to get laid.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 22, 2016 - 09:00pm PT
I understand where LEO's are coming from...Trained to get the upper hand and wanting to go home to their families at night...Not condoning indescriminate shooting of black people or profiling but one day i was approaching a liquor store and see 2 black guys running out the front door...I joked to my brother that the place was being robbed...Entering , i discover the employees lying on the ground...They were robbed....It ain't all black and white...There's 2 sides to this arguement...
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:17pm PT
Surrey police shot a mentally ill black man because he was stabbing himself. Very effective policing, I guess, but he died of the gunshot wounds.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-police-shooting-victim-caught-on-surveillance-video-1.2886012

And apparently not all morons are gone.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/police-shootings-often-involve-mental-illness-and-ill-prepared-officers-1.2850020

It's the norm in Cascadia, where the mentally ill are routinely shot.

Seattle is under court supervision, as is Portland, after settlements with the Justice Department over the issue.

In Portland , it doesn't seem race biased. The total before the judge ordered reform was 7 whites, one Latino, and no blacks. Yay for us, I guess.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:34pm PT
Saying it doesn't make it so.

even over and over again?
kattz

climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:35pm PT
Nobody "discriminates" against them or profiles them...the thugs carry out terror against multiple races, especially Whites, on a daily basis, police should deal with them without Miranda, kiddie gloves and all, just take them somewhere and beat them.
kattz

climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:41pm PT
Of course, in Canada cops have to be more up to higher standard...for sure, when common-folk realizes they'll never own a home, free and clear, in Canada (average value is about half a million now, driven up by mafia money from China laundered in Canada at the expense of its citizens)...and when they rebel...cops better be good. Chinese landlords won't like their serfs (former "regular Canadians, citizens of the 1st world") raising their voice. It'll be "racist", of course, and a few rubber bullets I'm sure will take care of the issue.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:43pm PT
kattzeigheil! 88, comrade

I'll be "racist", of course, and a few rubber bullets I'm sure will take care of the issue.

mys'well own that shit
kattz

climber
Jul 22, 2016 - 10:55pm PT
Instead of discussing fake non-issues such as cops grabbing thugs and drug trash or "bathrooms" need to:

Ban foreign real estate purchases.
Ban non-citizen real estate purchases.
This is how other countries do it (the ones that want to survive as society)

This country had been sold out to outsiders.

Jobs, homes, entire areas: everything is going.

Ban J-1 "student" (aka illegal worker stealing jobs) visa.

And for christ's sake, bring tanks to big cities and establish a curfew in high crime areas: anyone out after 9pm is shot on the spot. This the only way to deal with them.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:04pm PT
BLM-Blue Lives Matter

i'd rathr, blue lives matteroffactly#
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:12pm PT
what was this thread aboutr
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:24pm PT
Instead of discussing fake non-issues such as cops grabbing thugs and drug trash or "bathrooms" need to:

Ban foreign real estate purchases.
Ban non-citizen real estate purchases.
This is how other countries do it (the ones that want to survive as society)

This country had been sold out to outsiders.

Jobs, homes, entire areas: everything is going.

Ban J-1 "student" (aka illegal worker stealing jobs) visa.

And for christ's sake, bring tanks to big cities and establish a curfew in high crime areas: anyone out after 9pm is shot on the spot. This the only way to deal with them.

The thread is about conservatives abandoning the rule of law (they better WATCH OUT for Trump!), and abandoning the Constitution.

They'll like Russia!
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 22, 2016 - 11:33pm PT
Kattz, were you born in 'merica?
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 23, 2016 - 07:35am PT
OK, pet peeve:
aka illegal worker stealing jobs

No illegal worker has ever stolen a job. They were given the job.

Thanks for listening.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 23, 2016 - 07:40am PT
If you are a suspect and the cop has reason to believe you are armed, and he tells you to keep your hands up where he can see them, and you instead reach for something out of his view, yes, it IS STUPID and you are probably going to get shot and it is your fault.

Or you'll get shot even if you do have your hands up and doing everything they tell you to do:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-florida-caretaker-shot-20160721-snap-story.html
In a cellphone video that Kinsey’s attorney said was filmed by a bystander, Kinsey can be seen lying on the ground and heard urgently telling police in a loud voice, “All he has is a toy truck — a toy truck. I am a behavior therapist at a group home.”

“Rinaldo — please be still, Rinaldo. Sit down, Rinaldo. Lay on your stomach,” Kinsey calls out to his patient.

Kinsey said he was “more worried about him than myself, because as long as I got my hands up, they’re not going to shoot me — this is what I’m thinking. Wow, was I wrong.”

Police reportedly shot him three times.

“I’m like, ‘I still got my hands in the air,' and I said, ‘No, I just got shot!' And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ And his words to me — he said, ‘I don’t know,’” Kinsey said.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 23, 2016 - 09:19am PT
The Rude Pundit
A priceless clip on the Trump Speech

And Trump went further than any of the fearmongers before him in portraying the United States as a nightmare, a lawless landscape of rampant crime (which is really down), cops being gunned down (fewer than ever), and undocumented immigrants murdering the f*#k out of us (very rarely). The world itself is falling to pieces (despite it being one of the most peaceful periods in the planet's history). Every one of Trump's assertions is factually wrong. That's not just an opinion. Facts, actual numbers, something that Trump is very fond of mentioning, bear that out. But, no, the whole place is turning to sh#t, according to Trump. The only solution Trump offered is Trump. Trump will make it all better. All you gotta do is vote him in. Then America will be great again. He'll do it all by himself.

Or maybe, just maybe, this is the con: You make everyone believe that the world is turning to sh#t and then when you're elected, you just change the spin. "Oh, hey, look, crime is way down," you say, not even hinting that it was down before you were elected. "Oh, hey, look, my strategy on ISIS worked," you say, not mentioning that it was headed that way anyways. "Oh, hey, look, I've put into place a nearly two-year process for incoming refugees," you announce, leaving out that that's how it's been for a long time. See how easy it is to make America great again? You just start saying it is and then, racist blinders off, everyone looks around and says, "Well, sh#t, things really are pretty good." And for sh#t that wasn't getting done because Republicans wouldn't let it get done, like child care and infrastructure spending, hell, all of a sudden, the GOP will be the biggest fan of funding bridges and roads. And who gets all the credit? Not the nigger president who obviously f*#ked it all up because he's such a nigger. All accolades go to Trump.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 09:47am PT

The President is a strong supporter of the police.

then Jody replied

Saying it doesn't make it so.



Jody, that is not the sense that I get of the President from his many years of strong pro law enforcement both words and his signing legislation expanding funding more than any President in history,

But I am willing to listen, make your case, and I hope your case is not BS personal "opinion" built around your "anti-democrat" built in bias and seemingly strong tendency to believe whatever your supportive Obama hating, birthing, "libtard" talking
supportive reinforcement groups you frequent or buy into tell you to beleive.

Facts matter Jody, I don't know you so I am giving you the benefit of non bias and ability to think critically on your on, so let's hear it, defend your contention that the President of the United States is now somehow, anti police, anti law enforcement.

Do it Jody, here and now, and you know what to do when you can't, right?
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 23, 2016 - 09:48am PT
FDR replies to Donald Trump:

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 23, 2016 - 10:18am PT
^^ Horsecrap
dirtbag

climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 11:10am PT
I can see why she picked Kaine.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 23, 2016 - 11:13am PT
Kaine hit a grand slam, he is a progressive, calm, fair, honest and really likable.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 11:19am PT
**

Watch out for the greeeeedy adverts donnyboy.

Kickass Torrents: How did the US Government bring down the file-sharing site?



Until today, Kickass Torrents (KAT) was one of the most visited websites on the internet and brought in tens of millions of dollars a year in advertising.

Now, the website is no more.





In late 2015, an undercover agent — known as UC-1 — who worked for the US Internal Revenue Service (IRS) emailed KAT to enquire about advertising on the site.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-21/how-the-us-government-brought-down-kickass-torrents/7649862
dirtbag

climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 11:24am PT
Grand slam indeed, Bob.

Good chemistry with Hillary, too.

Compare this first rate rollout with the Trump Pence awkwardness.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 23, 2016 - 11:26am PT
Tim Kaine gave an amazing speech. Human, humane, personal. His son is a Marine---how many of Trump's children served?

PLUS, his easily lapsing fluently into spanish was just killer.

A Jesuit. Civil rights attorney for 17 years. Missionary to central America.

Everything I hear about the guy is so positive, even Repubs can't seem to find anything to attack....although they will.

It could not be clearer....he will be the President to follow Hillary.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 11:35am PT
It could not be clearer....he will be the President to follow Hillary

I can totally see that.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 23, 2016 - 11:39am PT
What a rollout for Kaine, compare that to the Pence rollout.


I when to Jesuit high school, they embrace science, have a quest for learning and knowledge.


I don't practice and haven't for 50 years but do appreciate the my time learning in that school.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 23, 2016 - 01:37pm PT
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-is-cultivating-a-state-of-panic/ar-BBuFYJA?li=BBnb7Kz

Yep
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 23, 2016 - 02:02pm PT
"Good chemistry with Hillary, too."



This is a good fit. Got a good feeling about this.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 23, 2016 - 03:41pm PT
I like that crazy smile and half psycho look in her eye
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 23, 2016 - 03:47pm PT
Listening to Kaine's speech on the radio I was wondering why he wasn't running for president.

Speaking of apocalypse, it's over 100 here with a dark yellow sky and ash accumulating on the cars and deck from the Sand Fire.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 03:47pm PT
Not even a good dodge, Jody

You made the comment that the President of the US is anti law enforcement

Prove it Jody

Show me you are not what I am beginning to think you are...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 23, 2016 - 03:49pm PT
Kaine better hope he doesn't end up like vince foster or worse yet end up working at a remote embassy in the mid east...Hillary is psycho , a killer , a psycho-killer , quest que se....you can see it in her look...
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 05:04pm PT
Listening to Kaine's speech on the radio I was wondering why he wasn't running for president.

Speaking of apocalypse, it's over 100 here with a dark yellow sky and ash accumulating on and deck from the Sand Fire.

I hear that twice. Fire here: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2433998&tn=960#msg2848858

Some are saying that Kaine and Klinton should switch positions on the ticket.



Another mystery resolved. All this time I thought the Talking Heads were talking about a man.

.Hillary is psycho , a killer , a psycho-killer




You start a conversation you can't even finish it
You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed
Say something once, why say it again?


I told them the line should have been

Say nothing once, why say it again?

They just laughed and said who asked you?


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 23, 2016 - 05:57pm PT
Thanks Jim...Was feeling the creep....Not Trump , but a shift , the paranoia but then i realized it was just my cotton briefs, not Trump....
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2016 - 06:05pm PT
Gary posted
Listening to Kaine's speech on the radio I was wondering why he wasn't running for president.

Because the only people willing to get in Clinton's way were Republicans (Webb) and people who couldn't win. Kaine and the Clintons are BFFs. Expect him to run in 2024.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 23, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
Just watched the full speech. Kaine absolutely killed it.

Easy, relaxed demeanor...on target with key points...funny...and effortlessly shifts into spanish.

Great choice, Hillary. Now go destroy that narcissist Valdemort.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 23, 2016 - 06:30pm PT
I'd feel more comfortable if Kaine could shift in Portugese....
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 23, 2016 - 06:34pm PT
I like that crazy smile and half psycho look in her eye

Most of the Sith have the same eyes... something about 'em.... Cheney, Kissenger, Rumsfeld...
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 23, 2016 - 08:25pm PT
Hmm... Diplomacy & inclusiveness vs paranoia & isolationism... Which to choose...which to choose...?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
Tim Kaine...


Good job, Hillary!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 08:35pm PT
Worries neutralized.


He'll have no problem with Pence.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 09:10pm PT
You should be ashamed.

You think it's a funny thing, you should study history -
American history and world history - and see what tragedies result from
such ignorance and greed that mark our past.

You should be ashamed of yourself writing such
brainless stupid stuff.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 23, 2016 - 09:17pm PT
Doesn't even look like a Hitler salute.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 23, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
As we have a general election coming up, I want to pitch the concept of volunteering as a poll worker.

I did it last year, and I found it to be one of the more moving and patriotic things I've done. It was amazing to help a hundred or so people get to vote! I also have an appreciation for the complexity of the process, and at least in my county, for the honesty of the vote.

And what I didn't know when I volunteered, was they actually pay you to do this! Lengthy work, but worth the experience.

LA County uses over 25,000 poll workers, and it is the availability of these workers to assure that people have the opportunity to vote fairly and promptly.

I understand that this is a stretch for someone who works a regular job. But if you don't, or if you are retired, or you are really interested in the election process, it's a great chance to participate and ACTUALLY make a difference.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 23, 2016 - 09:55pm PT
Just in...

Democrats vote to overhaul superdelegate system

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/288989-democrats-vote-to-reform-super-delegate-system

"We will climb our journey of victory together, that our arms will be linked... For I see that mountain that we’ve been challenged to cover, and I am going to say we shall overcome... Hillary Rodham Clinton together, together, together." - Sheila Jackson Lee

"This is a tremendous victory for Sen. Sanders' fight to democratize the Democratic Party and reform the Democratic nominating process," Weaver said. "We were pleased to work with the Clinton campaign to enact this historic commission."


Of course one man's renovation or upgrade is another's "rigged" system.

But life goes on.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 23, 2016 - 11:56pm PT
"It doesn't even look like a Hitler Salute"

No, this is Heil Hitler:



overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 24, 2016 - 01:04am PT
Fraulein Helga Braun?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 24, 2016 - 05:22am PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/donald-trump-reminds-me-of-vladimir-putin--and-that-is-terrifying/2016/07/23/36397692-50e5-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 24, 2016 - 07:15am PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 24, 2016 - 08:08am PT
Roger Ailes get fired from Fox News for sexual harassment

Trump hires Ailes him to run his campaign.

"He's a very, very good person"

"And those blond Fox Sluts are big fat lying bimbos!"
"They just want money, they're gold digging sluts!"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-roger-ailes_us_5794c56fe4b02d5d5ed1ec82?section=politics
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 24, 2016 - 08:42am PT

Look at this pretty thing.. reminds me of my old boss when i worked at Mcdonalds..
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 24, 2016 - 08:45am PT
And then there's Hitlery.


Norton

Social climber
Jul 24, 2016 - 08:56am PT
Don't see how you said you would vote for that awful woman, Edward

she makes me puke
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 24, 2016 - 09:09am PT
Look at this pretty thing..

Well I can tell by this statement you are an intelligent, thoughtful, level-headed mature person whose opinions I should highly respect. A real ambassador for your political party and our nation.

If you get a chance and want to see a shining example of diplomacy, intelligence and compassion, google today's Face The Nation interview with Pres Obama.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 24, 2016 - 10:44am PT
Norton

Social climber

Jul 24, 2016 - 08:56am PT
Don't see how you said you would vote for that awful woman, Edward

she makes me puke

So, you think Hillary is an awful woman. She makes you want to puke.

Thanks for clearing that up.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 24, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
I'm digging the lead up to the Democrat's Convention.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz gets outed for being an anti-Bernie bitch.

This morning Kaine says:
“I can’t take classified information I get as a senator and give it to somebody with no consequence. Freedom of speech has reasonable limits.”

It's gonna be a fun week.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 24, 2016 - 02:11pm PT
It's about time DWS stepped down. She pulled some real bullshit against Bernie.

Edit: Hey! The ST language filter is down! Bullshit is bullshit!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 24, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
Dismayed by Donald Trump, Michael Bloomberg Will Endorse Hillary Clinton
JULY 24, 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-hillary-clinton-dnc.html?_r=0

Michael R. Bloomberg, who bypassed his own run for the presidency this election cycle, will endorse Hillary Clinton in a prime-time address at the Democratic convention and make the case for Mrs. Clinton as the best choice for moderate voters in 2016, an adviser to Mr. Bloomberg said.

The news is an unexpected move from Mr. Bloomberg, who has not been a member of the Democratic Party since 2000; was elected the mayor of New York City as a Republican; and later became an independent.

But it reflects Mr. Bloomberg’s increasing dismay about the rise of Donald J. Trump and a determination to see that the Republican nominee is defeated.



Yes, it's going to be a great week, Edward T Sketch.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 24, 2016 - 02:29pm PT

"And those blond Fox Sluts are big fat lying bimbos!"
"They just want money, they're gold digging sluts!"

Hahahaha. he sounds just like you DrFry
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 24, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
It's always down just add a few f u c k i n g spaces
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 24, 2016 - 02:51pm PT
Abusing the temperament of the ST moderators is unwise.

Why would you try to test them? Don't abuse language. Use restaint, like me!!!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 24, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
I'm digging the lead up to the Democrat's Convention.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz gets outed for being an anti-Bernie bitch.

Ah, the party of Traditional Family Values, once again, demonstrates it's regard for professional women.

You can tell, when they describe them as a "bitch" when they don't like them.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 24, 2016 - 04:26pm PT
We have a huge dilemma on our hands. I just hope we make the correct choice.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 24, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
Ah, the party of Traditional Family Values, once again, demonstrates it's regard for professional women.

Well Kenny.... it's like this... She is a back-stabbing bitch!!!

You can tell, when they describe them as a "bitch" when they don't like them.

How about if I just called her a low-life scumbag.

Would that be okay for your delicate sensibilities?

Or is the use of derogatory slurs just okay when directed at Republicans?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 24, 2016 - 04:47pm PT
why do you dislike trump so much, Locker? I'm curious why Hitlery is more appealing to you.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 24, 2016 - 04:54pm PT
How about if I just called her a low-life scumbag.

Would that be okay for your delicate sensibilities?

Or is the use of derogatory slurs just okay when directed at Republicans?

Well, Edward, you guys just don't get it. You think it is perfectly ok to insult professional women on the basis of their gender. That is exactly what we say that you do, that you have no respect for women, when they are the professionals that they are.

You may disagree with them, you may even hate them, but you choose to make it about their gender----which was the issue all along.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 24, 2016 - 04:58pm PT
why do you dislike trump so much, Locker? I'm curious why Hitlery is more appealing to you.

Locker is a pretty smart guy, and he sees through Trump.

He sees what Hillary did when she had power (champion for the downtrodden and children), and what Trump does with power (line his pockets, break his contracts, stiff working people on his staff).
WBraun

climber
Jul 24, 2016 - 05:09pm PT
The real reason these loons here hate Trump is because he says stoopid sh!t just like them.

They're jealous!

So they vote for Hillary because she says different stoopid sh!t then they do.

Thus they think and believe she's different.

Just a more polished liar that's all .......
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 24, 2016 - 05:43pm PT
This is a great summary of the bottom line differentiation of the two candidates:

"Many Americans do not like either candidate this year . We have criticized the presumptive Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, in the past and will do so again when warranted. But we do not believe that she (or the Libertarian and Green party candidates, for that matter) represents a threat to the Constitution. Mr. Trump is a unique and present danger."
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2016 - 06:13pm PT
bluering posted
why do you dislike trump so much, Locker? I'm curious why Hitlery is more appealing to you.

A sure sign of serious thought and well pondered critique is when someone's primary tactic is some morphing of your name into Hitler.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 24, 2016 - 06:17pm PT
Nice crankster.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 24, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
You are proof that there is life after death...

You're a ZOMBIE!!!...

HaHa. isn't that the Pot call'ln the kettle negro!

edit; hahahahahahahaha..........
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 24, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
Intermission:



























"Love......,



































It's what make's a Subaru a Subaru."
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2016 - 06:35pm PT
Cosmic posted
LOL
Looks like Cruz is a RINO.
He's going to be speaking at the DNC.


If you believe this you will believe literally anything.
stunewberry

Trad climber
Spokane, WA
Jul 24, 2016 - 06:53pm PT
The Washington Post has an editorial that lays out the case against choosing Trump perfectly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-unique-threat-to-american-democracy/2016/07/22/a6d823cc-4f4f-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

Now all that is necessary is for ALL registered voters of intelligence and integrity to vote.

cross-posted to Moosedrool's thread, too
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 24, 2016 - 07:35pm PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-unique-threat-to-american-democracy/2016/07/22/a6d823cc-4f4f-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html


jus get rid of that S, Dudes. jus http:, Dude!

Easiers dudes!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 24, 2016 - 07:36pm PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-unique-threat-to-american-democracy/2016/07/22/a6d823cc-4f4f-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

"Many Americans do not like either candidate this year . We have criticized the presumptive Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, in the past and will do so again when warranted. But we do not believe that she (or the Libertarian and Green party candidates, for that matter) represents a threat to the Constitution. Mr. Trump is a unique and present danger."



Edit: Umm, BB....in the case of your link, it also needs the 'l' after 'htm' in order for the link to work...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 24, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
thanks G. don't know how i lost it;)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 24, 2016 - 08:03pm PT
"why do you dislike trump so much, Locker? I'm curious why Hitlery is more appealing to you."

bluering, the next time you want to ask someone why they would choose Hillary over Trump, you should read that WaPo editorial. It sums up the reason very, very nicely.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 24, 2016 - 08:32pm PT
I'm always fascinated by the need to post links when asked a question. It's as if, unable to formulate or perhaps validate a thought on their own, they rely on the thoughts of others. Your own thoughts and beliefs are certainly more interesting than internet links to others. Even if it's an ark on the moon, stick to it and tell us why in your own words.

Kinda like how people keep posting "polling" results. As in, who cares? Again seeking validation from others for their own beliefs.

But I digress... please carry on.


bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 24, 2016 - 08:39pm PT
bluering, the next time you want to ask someone why they would choose Hillary over Trump, you should read that WaPo editorial. It sums up the reason very, very nicely.


I didn't want their opinion. I wanted his personal take.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 24, 2016 - 08:40pm PT
Fear...Thanks for the interuption and public safety announcement....carry on..
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 24, 2016 - 08:40pm PT
^^^ i know. these things,(..........) are like farts!!

they stink too.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 24, 2016 - 08:51pm PT
^^^speaking of stinky
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 24, 2016 - 11:04pm PT
I'm always fascinated by the need to post links when asked a question.

maybe trying to spend less of their personal time here than they/we already do?
Dover

Trad climber
New England
Jul 25, 2016 - 04:44am PT
The Washington Post article is excellent. It really lays out the case why Trump should never be president. As much as Hillary may not be likable (or, to many, not trustworthy) she is no threat.

My worry is that we have some significant terrorist event between now and election day. Trump is already blowing the nationalistic horns. A big terror event would fall right into his hands and, I fear, would influence many to vote for him, perceiving toughness and strength and some sort of national savior. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

There is a point that the Post makes that is critically important, in my view. I really hope this does not get lost in the election and post election:
The Trump litany of victimization has resonated with many Americans whose economic prospects have stagnated. They deserve a serious champion, and the challenges of inequality and slow wage growth deserve a serious response.

Sanders and his "political revolution" began to address this. Hillary, not so much. I'll vote for Hillary, but want to continue to support Bernie and his revolution and put Hillary's feet to the fire on these issues.




fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:15am PT
Fear...Thanks for the interuption and public safety announcement....carry on..

I am here to serve... you're welcome!

As for the 'options' in November... neither turd is palatable but at this point Donald has never (to my knowledge) killed anyone or been directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands.

It's almost as if there is no choice. Imagine that.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:39am PT
Rigging the primaries...? I'm astounded.. Hopefully Hillary will stand before Judge Judy..
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:52am PT
Shultz did her job. Now she's officially on Hillary's campaign staff.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:03am PT
Shultz did her job. Now she's officially on Hillary's campaign staff.

Yep. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:17am PT
A Trump win would endanger you and your family. Don't let that happen.

That's certainly a good possibility but an absolute guarantee with Hillary.

Ending the war on drugs, entirely, and removing all of the welfare-state incentives for new arrivals would do more than any nonsense "wall" ever could. But alas, both candidates will perpetuate the insanity with their own spin.
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:28am PT
What the bigger issue here with the leaked DNC emails is;

The leaked email with a staffer erroneously accusing Bernie Sanders of being an atheist really sucks because 45 years after the open-mindedness of the '60s someone can still use the atheist card against you as a pick to determined whether or not you are a true American.

Here we are 60 years after the McCarthy era still acting like a bunch of apes, determining someone's allegiance to reason based on their possible lack of fear of a mythology, peer pressure, and cowardice.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:32am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:48am PT
Interesting article about a prominent republican thinker who realizes that the Republican Party is a white nationalist party, and that since Goldwater in 1964, it has basically been the anti-civil right party. Free market/small government types like himself need a new home, he concludes.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy
dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:49am PT
The dnc needs a complete housecleaning and overhaul.

But not now--not until November!
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:54am PT
The DNC will only be cleaned up if Trump wins. Does anyone really think Hillary will clean it up if she wins?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:56am PT
An interesting article.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-emails.html
dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:24am PT
Remember when the GOP was considered the hawkish party towards Russia?

Times have changed.
kattz

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 09:16am PT
Liberals are a great danger to society. I formerly supported them but the more I see their act, the more I realize they must be stopped.
(that little show by Broderick and Co. posted above -- we know well who Broderick is and he and his agenda of corrupting society is not a surprise at all)

Minneapolis Mayor wearing HIJAB to appease migrants (or, more likely, out of fear of them) -- the same ones who had run through Minneapolis threatening, menacing and harassing residents, without reprecussions:
http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/muslim-refugees-threaten-minnesota-community-with-rape/

(time to throw out this traitor)


In IDAHO, migrant "children" had raped a 5 year old girl, police treats the family of the girl as criminals and Obama's puppet US attorney threatens anyone who's speak out about the case:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/12/mother-idaho-girl-raped-refugees-authorities-withholding-police-report-family/

http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/mom-of-idaho-rape-victim-were-being-treated-as-criminals/


It's coming even to Minnesota and Idaho...seem like small incidents for now...but this can spread like wildfire... soon there'll be nowhere to live safely if this destruction is not stopped.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 09:39am PT
^^Horrible webpages. So many ads that you cannnot read the text. I'll look around.


overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 25, 2016 - 09:42am PT
that's probably the idea make it hard to read so that you just give up and accept the premise
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 09:51am PT
The United States Attorney’s Office extends its support to the five-year-old victim of assault, and her family, at the Fawnbrook Apartments in Twin Falls. The United States Attorney’s Office further encourages community members in Twin Falls and throughout Idaho to remain calm and supportive, to pay close attention to the facts that have been released by law enforcement and the prosecuting attorney, and to avoid spreading false rumors and inaccuracies.

“Grant Loebs is an experienced prosecutor, and Chief Craig Kingsbury is an experienced law enforcement officer. They are moving fairly and thoughtfully in this case,” said Wendy J. Olson, U.S. Attorney for Idaho. “As Mr. Loebs and Chief Kingsbury informed the public, the subjects in this case are juveniles, ages 14, 10 and 7. The criminal justice system, whether at the state or federal level, requires that juveniles be afforded a specific process with significant restrictions on the information that can be released. The fact that the subjects are juveniles in no way lessens the harm to or impact on the victim and her family.

The spread of false information or inflammatory or threatening statements about the perpetrators or the crime itself reduces public safety and may violate federal law. We have seen time and again that the spread of falsehoods about refugees divides our communities. I urge all citizens and residents to allow Mr. Loebs and Chief Kingsbury and their teams to do their jobs.”




Different page.

TWIN FALLS — Police and the FBI are looking into violent threats left at city offices and made against city officials over the handling of a sexual assault on a 5-year-old girl.

Twin Falls Mayor Shawn Barigar and Vice Mayor Suzanne Hawkins have both forwarded threatening messages they received about the incident to police.


http://magicvalley.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/cops-investigate-threats-over-fawnbrook-assault/article_16b3a07e-3099-50ae-a773-d611d8f7cd43.html
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 10:21am PT
it’s hard to see how anyone who walks around with open eyes could believe in the blood-soaked dystopian vision Mr. Trump laid out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/opinion/delusions-of-chaos.html?_r=0

Yet there’s no question that many voters — including, almost surely, a majority of white men — will indeed buy into that vision.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 10:47am PT
I still think we should all panic and elect an authoritarian strongman who will protect us whiteys.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 10:57am PT
A narcissist with miserable business experience who wants to shtooop his own daughter would be even better.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:23am PT
I was distressed by the revelation of the released emails from the DNC. DWS has to go. So do a number of other staffers at the DNC.

However, I'm also impressed that apparently none of the discussed actions against Bernie actually took place. There was no attempt to smear his religion.

I think it is emblematic of the things I've seen on the "inside" of a variety of organizations, where there is talk that you'd never want overheard....but which dead ends with the talking.

THAT SAID, the atmosphere which allowed this sort of talk to occur, is a failure of management, and requires changes, which are happening.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:24am PT
dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:25am PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:25am PT
I'm also curious about the mechanics of how the emails were released, with the obviously intended timing.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:30am PT
What's the over/under on whether Debbie Wasserman Shultz "commits suicide" in the near future?

Any takers?
dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:32am PT
Esco hits a new low with this post:


Jul 25, 2016 - 11:30am PT
What's the over/under on whether Debbie Wasserman Shultz "commits suicide" in the near future?

Any takers?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:35am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

What's the over/under on whether Debbie Wasserman Shultz "commits suicide" in the near future?

I hope she doesn't go down that road. But if she does, I bet it'll be two shots to the head.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:36am PT
Should be a fun week.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:37am PT
This Reince Priebus (rnc chair) is something else. For those who have listened to him, have you ever heard more loaded languaging?

re: loaded languaging

I've got to admit before my 30-somethings - I was hardly aware of this type of discourse or dialoguing at all. Rather embarrassing, actually; where was my attention? Also apparently it took years to gain a useful, pragmatic sensitivity to it. Also embarrassing. (Then again, it also took years and years to build climbing techniques so there is some carryover to other subjects I suppose.) Now after all these years, as an older adult I guess, I am so sensitive to it, so attuned to it, I can usu tell where somebody's coming from (eg, D or R, C or L, R or L) within just a couple sentences.

Reading George Lakoff (Don't Think Like an Elephant) a few years back (more like ten now) probably furthered my awareness in this area. Still the mystery remains how, when I was younger, I could be so unaware of it, so unthinking about it.

I wish somehow this subject (phenomenon of language, communications) could be directly taught in public school w more emphasis, even as early as jr high. Somehow I graduaded 4 years of high school English with As entirely unaware of… I suppose we could call it... partisan propagandizing just as well (otherwise loaded messaging or loaded languaging as strategy) to promote agenda. An amazing phenomenon.

Anyways, this R Priebus operative (lol) sure has it down. He's a master.


...

Rather disappointed in Al Gore today.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:42am PT
As for timing, WikiLeaks is going to release the emails at the most effective time, regardless of where they got them from.

The Russian conspiracy theory is hilarious.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 25, 2016 - 11:45am PT
I hope she doesn't go down that road. But if she does, I bet it'll be two shots to the head.

Yeah, and someone will go clean up her office and the only thing left will be a note that says "I did this, no one else. Washington is such an awful place ...I'm so depressed".

Or maybe they can just photocopy Vincent Foster's note. Nobody will notice....
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 25, 2016 - 12:14pm PT
Gotta be a pneumatic nailgun too(with no compressor handy)... Three-letter-agencies have a dark sense of humor.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
Frickin' Berners need to get the eff over it, STFU, and move forward.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 25, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
As Melania did with Michelle Obama's speech?

It's what all the big kids are doing.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 25, 2016 - 12:32pm PT
Maybe they could get over it if they knew Sanders was treated fairly.

Crooked Hillary has earned her nickname.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 12:41pm PT
yeah, that's right, take a broom to it...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

(I'd be too embarrassed by my behavior to post this.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrD945Kbou8


....

Crooked Hillary has earned her nickname.


Such bs. (Product of assimilating vrwc propaganda?)
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 25, 2016 - 12:42pm PT
Reading George Lakoff (Don't Think Like an Elephant) a few years back (more like ten now) probably furthered my awareness in this area. Still the mystery remains how, when I was younger, I could be so unaware of it, so unthinking about it.


Yes, Lakoff was an eye-opener for me, too. Brilliant analysis.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 25, 2016 - 12:44pm PT
Apogee, I agree re: Berners.....got to get over it, and move on effectively, if they ever want to see any of their issues addressed.

Hopefully, Warren and Bernie will put this to bed tonite.

If not, we will have the bizarre situation of Berners opposing Bernie. Of course, they know better than him........
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 12:48pm PT
If not, we will have the bizarre situation of Berners opposing Bernie.

I sure hope Carl Bernstein is right about the Dems uniting after tonight in order to fight the good fight - the Gettysberg.


Nice to read, Ken, you read and appreciated Lakoff too.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 01:01pm PT
" And you say, that's OK??? "

Did I say that, Moose?

No....I didn't say that. Not at all...ever.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 01:05pm PT
Moose posted
We do need to move forward, even though it was the DNC that elected Clinton, not the people. The DNC crippled Sanders chances to become the nominee. Cheating pisses me and many Bernie supporters off. But, it would be a mistake to vote for Trump, or or for a third party. The stakes are just too high.


Ugh. Democrats always elect their nominee. That's literally the whole point. "The people" in this case are Democrats. If Democrats don't get to pick the Democratic nominee, the system is broken. And no matter how much Sanders supporters want to moan and cry, with the exception of the debate schedule the entire Democratic nomination process favored Sanders from start to finish. Wasserman was basically powerless to do anything no matter how many nasty emails she sent. The only thing that would have helped Sanders more would have been to turn every primary into a caucus, suppressing turnout and favoring Sanders' fervent supporters with a lot of time on their hands.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 01:10pm PT
HI Moose!

are you a dual US citzen and with Poland?

do you vote in US elections

just curious
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 25, 2016 - 01:15pm PT
BTW, does anybody know if Bernie can start a new political party?

I would for sure join it.

Moose

Moose, I'd vote for you. Gotta be better than an narcissistic orange clown or a murderous sociopath immune to any laws.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 01:16pm PT
Good idea, Moose. And nuke your other thread, while you're at it.

If you aren't going to pay attention to details, and just make sh#t up, it's not helpful to anyone.

Have a nice day.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 25, 2016 - 01:33pm PT
Somebody said raccoon?

[Click to View YouTube Video]
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
Wow, esco! that was something else! tfpu!
what a world we live in, eh?

I'll have to check out some of the commentary at Utube a little later,
I can only imagine!

Good question, Finn...
"what if toaster, the as#@&%e that he is, started all of this??"

...

(ot)

I'm led to think if a cat and racoon of equal weight and size met in the octagon, the racoon would win. Larger biting capabilities? Any dissension from the experts or whisperers?

Falling!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFOD8pvGyBw
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jul 25, 2016 - 02:06pm PT
Sanders isn't a democrat. Sheesh his supporters are under no obligation to follow his or your orders anyway.

Partisans are bullies.

Then he shouldn't have registered as a Democrat and run in the Democratic primary.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 25, 2016 - 02:10pm PT
Good idea, Moose. And nuke your other thread, while you're at it.

If you aren't going to pay attention to details, and just make sh#t up, it's not helpful to anyone.

Have a nice day.

Props to Apogee.

Way to bring the butthurt.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 25, 2016 - 02:13pm PT
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 25, 2016 - 02:30pm PT
^^ Now THAT'S funny, I don't care who you are.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 25, 2016 - 02:35pm PT
^^ Now THAT'S funny, I don't care who you are.

sure taco bowls wont fly with Latino friends of mine..


http://newsninja2012.com/dnc-email-leaks-show-racist-outreach-to-latinos-called-taco-bowl-engagement/
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 25, 2016 - 02:44pm PT
I'm led to think if a cat and raccoon of equal weight and size met in the octagon, the raccoon would win. Larger biting capabilities? Any dissension from the experts or whisperers?

Are you kidding me? The coon in the video you posted held its own against a, what, 60lb german shepard?

A cat of any size holds no chance against a trash panda.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 02:45pm PT
Pyro that email was written the day after trump's taco bowl chow down on video. That email clearly referenced that event by Trump in which he was trying to reach out to Hispanics by eating a taco bowl. You're participating in conservative media's bologna engagement.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 25, 2016 - 02:55pm PT
I'm led to think if a cat and raccoon of equal weight and size met in the octagon, the raccoon would win. Larger biting capabilities? Any dissension from the experts or whisperers?

Seems a non starter to me. Cats are not dogs...lol

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 25, 2016 - 03:00pm PT

Curt
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 03:01pm PT
lol!

....

hey skcreidc, that was cool! must have missed it earlier, thanks,
and that's a small raccoon too if i'm not mistaken
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 25, 2016 - 03:39pm PT
Thanks Curt.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
many Sanders supporters were never loyal Democrats.

“Before the 2016 primaries, Sanders’s supporters voted less frequently than other 2016 voters, and they were less reliably Democratic than Clinton supporters,” FiveThirtyEight reported Monday.

outside agitators and rabble rousers
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 25, 2016 - 05:46pm PT
It was mentioned on NBC News tonight that there was fear at the Democrat convention that Bernie has lost control over his supporters.

Makes sense to me.

I suspect a tantrum will ensue.

A great night for old-white male Republicans to celebrate that the "big tent" of the Democratic party can also bring big problems.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 25, 2016 - 05:59pm PT
538:


Earlier, it was rather jarring to hear Sanders supporters loudly disrupting a speech by U.S. Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, who is pretty much universally revered in the Democratic caucus.

Jerks.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:04pm PT
Bernie wasn't even close, it wasn't rig and he should have backed off long ago. The trained are biting the hand that fed them.

Let them vote for Trump, they deserve him.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:06pm PT
i am done with the dem political machine. trump can win and I can at least sleep with my vote for Gary Johnson or Green party when Putin's commandos arrive.



somebody call me a waaambulance!





























because me and them cousinf*#kers gwine get trump eleckted



and shucks, you lost me at "loyal democrats" anyhoo
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]


Sanders supporters now booing Sanders.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
Sarah is killing it.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:27pm PT
keep laughin' Hillaryites, keep laughin'!


some folks are well beyond the choice between a D#@&%ebag and a Turd Sandwich.



EDIT: for the hillary whores, ain't no bro 'bout it, men and women with a forward look know what just got kilt
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 06:28pm PT

538.com updated forecast model. This is f*#king terrifying.






bravecowboy posted
some folks are well beyond the choice between a D#@&%ebag and a Turd Sandwich.


You realize that referencing South Park doesn't actually make this an intelligent post, right?
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
Hillarites should be terrified.

It'll be terrifying if Trump wins, but it will be satisfying to see the end of the Clinton dynasty.

Edit for HFCS who has his head buried in the sand: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-waggaman/its-time-to-end-the-clint_b_9756970.html
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
I love you, Sarah Silverman!

....

but it will be satisfying to see the end of the Clinton dynasty

what in the heck are you talking about? lol
dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:36pm PT
Hmmm...Eva longoria or Scott Baio: who would I'd rather see speak?


Boy that's a tough question.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
Nate Silver still predict a Hillary wins.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:40pm PT
Try to ignore the polls for at least a week, you'll sleep better and you won't learn much anyway until the dust from the conventions settle.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:41pm PT
Nate Silver still predict a Hillary wins.

He doesn't predict anything, he only gives chances.

You still like your chances? It was 3 to 1 for Clinton before, now it's almost 1 to 1.

True, we need to wait for a couple weeks after the DNC to really see whats happining.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 06:42pm PT
It'll be terrifying if Trump wins, but it will be satisfying to see the end of the Clinton dynasty.


That word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


monolith posted
You still like your chances?


I was uncomfortable when it was 70/30.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:42pm PT
oh come on

we have three more months to go with Donald farting from his mouth every day

the Democrats infrastructure and ground game is far superior to the Repubs and they are playing catch up

will Donald be brave enough to agree to debate Hillary? He wimped out of the last Repub debate...

how you figure he would come across during a foreign policy debate?

Stamp Out Liberal Angst
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:44pm PT
my, oh my, the denigration of this thread cripples me. better just go ahead and cast one fer the Creme d'Orange Drumpf as I've been rebuked by the big kids who don't watch 'toons on ST.


It stands, still: Doouchee Gigantique versus Openface Turdpile on Rye. I/we/royal we(?) choose naeither.


Liberal Angst ain't your enemy, but instead the grand murrkann tradishiin of heels-dug-in obstruction in face of "reasonably decent, 4/10 options". good luck with that, mainsteamers
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:46pm PT
Monolith, $500 says she win.


monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
I sure hope so, but I don't bet on basically even chances.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 25, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
i will put my .02 on his orangeness.


he will lose the debate but win the argumint, derp.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:04pm PT
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, who has a documented history of sexism and misogyny, bragged to voters at a North Carolina rally that his campaign “is doing well with the women.”

In his usual routine of informing his supporters of his latest polling numbers, Trump on Monday claimed that in spite of polls showing a significant gender gap among his support base,


“I think I’m doing well with the women.”

yes Donald, the Hispanics, the Blacks, the Asians, and now the Women, all love you
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:05pm PT
Love that Cory Booker. I'm with him!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:05pm PT
Whatcha drinkin' tonight, bravecowboy?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:09pm PT
Sarah Silverman...I'd like to buy you a beer.

Cory Booker...it was like Obama deja vu, almost 12 years ago. Great, impassioned speech.

Michelle, once again knocking it out of the park. Gonna miss that classy, uber-cool FLOTUS.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
"I sure hope so, but I don't bet on basically even chances."


It's not even. :-)
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
How about this....

Even with the Diebold firmware "upgrade" TPTB decide Hillary is far to tainted to risk blatant fraud if the sheep go waaay into the orange pasture.

The Orange one is appointed and stars in his own Zapruder film within 6 months.

Pence is now your white-haired devil. He's already sworn his allegiance to Israel right at the RNC.

Remember that the puppet-in-chief is just someone that has to read the teleprompter and do the evil sh!t they're told to do.

Pence would be the perfect POS for the job and he's not tainted.

dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
Michele is ROCKING it!
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:15pm PT
It's quite a statement about Hillary Clinton when you consider the fact that millions of Americans would rather vote for Donald Trump.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:16pm PT
53 to 46 is basically even, as I said.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
Seems like the Berner shriekers are getting tamped down. Good.


"I wake up every morning in a house that was built by slaves...and my children play on the White House lawn...'

Michelle should run for POTUS. I'd vote for her.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:20pm PT
Michele is ROCKING it!

Indeed!
Norton

Social climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:21pm PT
It's quite a statement about Donald Trump when you consider the fact that millions of Americans would rather vote for Hillary Clinton

derp
John M

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:22pm PT
Seems like the Berner shriekers are getting tamped down. Good.


you have become pretty ugly apogee. Why?


The first lady gave a great speech..
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
Wasn't feeling the love in the first 2/3 of Michelle's speech, but she finished strong with good eye contact & minimal teleprompter. Definitely helping relax the intense pucker factor I've had since last week.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
You've never read me very well, John. Ah, well.
John M

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
How do you defend calling people shriekers? Do you really think that will go over well?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:29pm PT
Great series of speeches tonight. Franken, Silverman, Booker, now Warren. Tough acts to follow for Warren, for sure.

In spite of the rabid Berners, the tone is far more positive & uplifting than any speech at the RNC.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:32pm PT
The 10% of Berners who can't come to grips with practical reality and whose only strategy is to try to burn the place down?

Yeah, they are shriekers.

The reality, tonight, July 25, 2016: Hillary had more delegates than Bernie, by a long shot. That's our democratic process, and that's where we are tonight.

Silverman said it perfectly: 'You guys are being RIDICULOUS.'
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
Escopeta posted
It's quite a statement about Hillary Clinton when you consider the fact that millions of Americans would rather vote for Donald Trump.

What's your point?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 07:35pm PT
apogee posted
In spite of the rabid Berners, the tone is far more positive & uplifting than any speech at the RNC.

5 minutes of Shaheen's speech on the opioid crisis was more substantive than the entire RNC. Most of the speeches have been super positive with a side of Trump bashing.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 07:43pm PT
Why can't people be more respectful of the small minority trying to shout down speakers on stage out of malice that their candidate lost? I mean we're talking about substantive speech such as "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

These people deserve to be heard and to say otherwise is despicable.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:43pm PT
moose, take your own advice. Don't answer for me. With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:44pm PT

Silverman said it perfectly: 'You guys are being RIDICULOUS.'

silvermans the best you got? she's that jewish comedian, right?

so far it's just been women talk'in anti-Trump!
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
Watching two liberals argue online is about as stimulating as watching a game of laser tag.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:47pm PT
Here comes Bernie...this will be good. Historic, even.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:48pm PT
^^^^^
Yeah, what do stupid wimmin know anyway?

I'm with her.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 07:48pm PT
Escopeta posted
Watching two liberals argue online is about as stimulating as watching a game of laser tag.


Much like your posting
John M

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:48pm PT
Moose, one doesn't overcome hate or fear with derision. It just doesn't work. Bernie hasn't even spoken yet. People are upset. Why not be gracious and allow them their anger? If you don't. If you deny them any right to even feel upset, and you only deride them, then you end up strengthening their hurt.

Why not wait and see what Bernie does before trashing people who still support him..
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
We know what Bernie is doing. He's been saying it for weeks. What Bernie is doing is no mystery.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
Very impressive, impassioned opening to Bernie's important speech.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
John, maybe read him again?




EDit for below

Perhaps you didn't understand me.

Or perhaps I didn't understand. I'm confused.......
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:00pm PT
This is a great speech. Bernie's passion and honesty is radiating.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:10pm PT
Bernie's doing a great job of threading a difficult needle right now.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 08:14pm PT
I think this is good. People get to have their cathartic release about breaking up with their Bernfriend and Sanders makes an unequivocal endorsement of Clinton. We spend the next 3 nights building to Hillary. It seems unlikely they're going to keep trying to disrupt the speeches every night.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:14pm PT
Feeling the Bern...go Bernie. Time to come together.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
What he is doing right now is incredibly honorable. Of the two 'outsiders' in this race, his morality stands in stark comparison to the Great Orange Narcissist Blowhard.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
He is laying it out...Go Bernie.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
"It is not moral, it is not acceptable, and it is not sustainable that the top tenth of one per cent now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 per cent." -Bernie Sanders
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
regardless of what one thinks of his policy proposals or political strategizing...

bernie is without doubt the definition [and one of the very few examples in american federal politics] of a public servant.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
i don't get it. their "togetherness" is based on "breakupness"?
Norton

Social climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
?

how do you get breakupness out of that, Blue

who you watching on TV?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
Russ is with Her.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:25pm PT
Amazing, truly amazing speech.

Very interesting progression of speeches...there was more energy and verve present tonight than in the sum total of all days of the RNC.

dirtbag

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:29pm PT
I couldn't be more pleased with Bernie tonight.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:35pm PT

this is what a vote for the grievance candidate looks like. tonight.

i mean shet, i am kinda 'feared of those swartthy men and them
dirty paws looking at my woman. and stuff.


and no Russ, the E. Jack Cummings only occurs with the tears.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:37pm PT
gonna graduate high school pretty soon?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:40pm PT
NO!!1!



[Click to View YouTube Video]
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:45pm PT
Michelle's speech was HUGE. I bet we see parts of it again in the next RNC....
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:47pm PT
Nice job, Bernie!

..


Russ, what's wrong with you tonight?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:51pm PT
"Russ, what's wrong with you tonight?"


Maybe he had to use his left hand.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 25, 2016 - 08:59pm PT
No way ya'll can contain your ejaculate at this stage... too far gone.

Russ seems to be saying that we're getting there.

Curt
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 25, 2016 - 09:29pm PT
pro
fessional politician. alas and alack. I must write in my standalone Log Cabin Shaved Mustelid candidate for President of the United States, Msr. Dustin Beaver, II.
WBraun

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 09:43pm PT
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 25, 2016 - 10:16pm PT
Too bad Michelle O isn't running. She could beat Chump's sorry ass and not even break a sweat.
WBraun

climber
Jul 25, 2016 - 10:20pm PT
Too bad Michelle O isn't running.

She is!!

She's running away from the white house with hubby.

She's seen enough insanity from all the stupid politards for the last 8 years and doesn't want the job ......
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 25, 2016 - 10:25pm PT
Hard to argue with that...Bet she can't wait to see that place in the rear view.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2016 - 05:28am PT
Why would she run when she can chill at home with her kids and make $250,000/speech while not having her personal life scrutinized daily?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 26, 2016 - 05:58am PT
I have a feeling the Obamas are going the way of the Carters, they are far from done in changing the world for the better.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2016 - 06:10am PT
Obama is far younger than Carter and has a much larger reach. He's gonna have the most powerful post-presidency in American history.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:31am PT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:44am PT
I can't wait to see Bill Clinton in the White House.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:51am PT
His DNA is likely still all over the white house.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:59am PT
How remarkable is Bernie? He's already up and at em this morning!!

Like Alex he's got to be either a mutant or an alien from outer space, how
else does one explain his superhuman abilities?!

Whatever "It" is, I want some.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:20am PT
He likely doesn't want to end up on the other 'naughty' Clinton list... Or his grandchildren.

I'd get up early too.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2016 - 07:34am PT
How remarkable is Bernie? He's already up and at em this morning!!


Only on a dirtbag climbing forum are people impressed that people with careers regularly get up before 7 am.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:38am PT
what's clear is some of us aren't nearly as infatuated with the sexual behavior of our leaders as others seem to be.

personally I think it's because long ago we educated ourselves and we left archaic iron-age judeo christio islamic sexual precepts - retro backward as they are - where they belong - in the dust bin.

ref: ken starr (remember him? it wasn't all that long ago)

...

Only on a dirtbag climbing forum...

I'm not so sure about that.

...

"Hillary Clinton is low energy." -Trump

Is there no limit to this buffoon's bs?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:46am PT
The Dirty Dozen?


http://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/1988
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:57am PT
apogee posted
Michelle's speech was HUGE. I bet we see parts of it again in the next RNC....

LOL...Silverman was also excellent.

Maybe he had to use his left hand.

Great double entendre ...LMAO
dirtbag

climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:16am PT

Is there no limit to this buffoon's bs?


He's done it so often that it's easy to forget how childish and unbecoming of the office his incessant insult tweets are. He's also back to calling senator Warren "Pocahontas" and yesterday criticized her looks. Conservatives who back trump (and to their credit, many are not) can never complain again about democrats lacking decorum in the White House.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:30am PT
bern voters hang in bern has not announced he's out of the race roll call vote coming up!
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:44am PT
Edit: Norton, yes I do have both. I can influence politics in a twice as many countries as most of you! 

Moosepower

2 x 0 is still 0, right?

And this sh#t always cracks me up most of the posters on this forum enjoy a drink maybe more than a few yet it is the first thing you go for when you want to discredit someone's opinion

Whatcha drinkin' tonight, bravecowboy?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:47am PT
It is about numbers, not emotions. Clam down.

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 26, 2016 - 10:09am PT
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/25/george_will_trump_doesnt_want_to_release_tax_returns_because_he_is_deeply_involved_in_dealing_with_russia.html
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 26, 2016 - 11:57am PT
Only on a dirtbag climbing forum are people impressed that people with careers regularly get up before 7 am.

Too funny!

John
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 26, 2016 - 12:34pm PT
monolith

climber
state of being
Jul 26, 2016 - 12:37pm PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2016 - 12:41pm PT
pyro posted
bern voters hang in bern has not announced he's out of the race roll call vote coming up!

These are the same people for whom the Ark on the Moon is of very high interest.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
Oh my, look at all this goodness - nominating speeches, roll call excitement, etc - that Cragman is missing today because he's not around.

"and 51 votes for the next President of the United States of America, Hillary Rodham Clinton!" -AZ Jerry, 102 years old

102 years old
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jul 26, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
heh funny ^^^


so what does it tell you?
Even now, Sanders materials list him as an Independent. The Democrats owe him next to nothing. He gets that. He's retiring gracefully now, but you will hear from him again.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 03:30pm PT
I love this roll call thing.

All this state pride can make one feel (ridiculously) patriotic.

...

Tell me Naomi Watts couldn't play Sen Kirsten Gillibrand!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
Jimmy Carter sure looks good. It's very hard to believe
it's been almost 40 years. Kudos to Jimmy. Kudos to science
for curing his brain cancer. Just amazing!

...

History tells us what may happen next with Brexit Trump...

"there were a few brilliant minds who started to warn that something big was wrong... but they were dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit and Trump are dismissed now."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html


...

Ricky, if you're out there, J Granholm to speak Thur night.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 26, 2016 - 05:53pm PT
Congrats to Hillary. History has been made, in spite of the knuckle-dragging male Republican Establishment.

Now put the knife in, and finish that scumbag.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:04pm PT
Getting tired of these yuppie millenials crying because they didn't get their way.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:11pm PT
Donald Trump Ordered To Pay $300,000 By Judge In Florida Lawsuit


Two years ago, Trump National Doral Miami golf resort signed a contract worth $200,000 for a local business called The Paint Spot to provide paint used to renovate the golf course.

Trump and his company refused to honor the contract by not paying the final payment, saying that they’ve “paid enough” for the paint.

Anyway, Paint Spot owner Juan Carlos Enriquez filed suit against Trump in court, and Judge Jorge Cueto just slapped Trump and his company with a $300,000 hit to cover The Paint Shop’s attorney and court fees, nearly ten times more money than the $34,863 owed.

On the same day as his coronation as the Republican Party nominee last week, the National Labor Relations Board slapped Trump with an $11,200 fine for treating employees like sh#t because they tried to join a labor union.

As it turns out, one employee was wrongfully fired and the other was retaliated against by denying them the promotion they had earned.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:13pm PT
Getting tired of these yuppie millenials crying because they didn't get their way.


Our fore-fathers weep with you. This is what they died to protect. Our democratic Republic. And the weeping Sanders' commies can go away, f*#k themselves, and then find gainful employment somewhere. I have ZERO sympathy for these useful idiots. ZERO!!!

They would sell you and your mother if Bernie said it was 'for the cause'.

So tired of these weak, brainwashed, socialists.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:15pm PT
Manson (and family) endorse Trump. Want to enroll at Trump U. Promise after re-integration, to make America great again.

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:21pm PT

Getting tired of these yuppie millenials crying because they didn't get their way.


Our fore-fathers weep with you. This is what they died to protect. Our democratic Republic. And the weeping Sanders' commies can go away, f*#k themselves, and then find gainful employment somewhere. I have ZERO sympathy for these useful idiots. ZERO!!!

They would sell you and your mother if Bernie said it was 'for the cause'.

So tired of these weak, brainwashed, socialists.

You don't get my point.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:22pm PT
You don't get my point.


Explain...

EDIT:
Manson (and family) endorse Trump. Want to enroll at Trump U. Promise after re-integration, to make America great again.

What does that mean? Just slander?

Should I list all the people who endorse Hitlery? The anti-semites, racists, and idiots?

Do we really think this means anything?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:43pm PT
Comedy.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
It's too subtle for you ringblue.

Trump, or should I say Charlie_Trump, is no different from Charles Manson, except that he had a rich father who paved his way for him.

If he hadn't had his dowry, he very well could have been Jim Jones, Manson or David Koresh.

You, with your inclinations, could be dead in Guyana or Waco.

Do you hear me now?

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:47pm PT
You don't get my point.


Explain...


I forgot, you're not supposed to "engage me" in discussion. Fine. Have fun with your utopia.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
Howard Dean... That was... Awesome!!

The Dean Scream needs to be a popular meme now. lol
c wilmot

climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
Clinton backs the "rebels" who recently beheaded a child but it's made up fears over trump that is troubling liberals
Norton

Social climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:12pm PT
liar

prove it
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:14pm PT
Michael Moore predicts Trump victory.
http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

And John Pilger's rundown on America's and Hillary's war aims.


http://newmatilda.com/2016/03/23/john-pilger-why-hillary-clinton-is-more-dangerous-than-donald-trump/
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:39pm PT
Moore is just rallying the troops. Good on him.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:41pm PT
BIll is really telling Hillary's story right now.

I don't care what your ideologic leaning is, Bill is truly one of the best Presidential communicators we've ever seen.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:43pm PT
Yeah... Good Communicator....Bill talked his way right into Lewinsky's knickers...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
c wilmot posted
Clinton backs the "rebels" who recently beheaded a child but it's made up fears over trump that is troubling liberals

US soldiers rape and murder civilians. Your point is what, that we should only support people more virtuous than our own military?

Also, I'm still waiting for your Stormfront account name. Would love to read your post history.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:55pm PT
i gotta think that was bill's best presidential speech eva!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 26, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
Man, that was a moment of history, right there.

A former President...husband of the first woman candidate of a major Party for the office of President. Telling the story of this woman who is destined for the next step in American history.

Nattering Nabobs of Negativism, be damned. That was history, right there.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:07pm PT
Anyway, Paint Spot owner Juan Carlos Enriquez filed suit against Trump in court, and Judge Jorge Cueto

No wonder Trump hates Mexicans!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:13pm PT
Nice 8 million cracks entrance, Hillary...
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:20pm PT
So what's up?

"A real change maker represents a real threat." -Bill Clinton

"Your only option is to create a cartoon. A cartoon alternative. And then run against the cartoon. Cartoons are two-dimensional, they're easy to absorb." -Bill Clinton

This (pattern, tactic) we get on the "mind" thread. A lot. Also on the "science" thread.

"Life in the real world is complicated, and real change is hard. And a lot of people even think it's boring." -Bill Clinton
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:21pm PT

That was history, right there.

yes it is. fistbumps all around for bill.

still can't understand her mouthed words yet..

one thing for sure, she'd take The Donald in The Octagon tho!

i'd prolly vote for her..
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
Mad props to Howard Dean, re-enacting the Dean Scream sequence showed a great sense of self deprecating humour. I just wish he'd busted out the "YEAAARRHHHGGHHH" at the end like the OG version.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:26pm PT
Truth.

It was like screamus interuptus.

You know it's coming...it's almost there...look out....

and it doesn't happen.

Damn, Dean. If you are going to go there....go there..
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:27pm PT

Nattering Nabobs of Negativism, be damned.

have you ever said anything positive about The Orangutang??(i mean, The Orangetang! HeHe)
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
She's accomplished so much that people are unaware of.

i heard she doe's 400 push-ups every night before she goes to bed,jus like her idol walter payton ;)
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
Way to go, Bill Clinton!

Man, that was a moment of history, right there.

Indeed.

...

and ponder how long it took Bill just to tell the story describing her skills and lifelong experiences. That was truly awesome.

(how long to describe Trump's?)
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:39pm PT
yes it is. fistbumps all around for bill... i'd prolly vote for her..

Good to read, Blu.


...

She should brag a bit. She's accomplished so much that people are unaware of.

Yes.


...

So Gawker live-streamed Clinton's teleprompter, it's amazing how much he improvised.

http://www.facebook.com/Gawker/videos/vb.8376212628/10154327657177629/?type=2&theater

Masterful.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:54pm PT

I forgot, you're not supposed to "engage me" in discussion. Fine. Have fun with your utopia.

I don't engage in a dialogue with someone who is not objective, and relies on Limbaugh, and Hannity for their "information".

I'm out.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 26, 2016 - 08:57pm PT
"have you ever said anything positive about The Orangutang??"

Yes, I have, actually. I'm sure it was lost in all the sturm & drang.


That is: Kudos to the Donald for pushing back against all of the Nattering Nabobs of Negativism in his own Party, and creatively making it all the way to the top of his ticket.

And that's about it. Everything else is pretty much: Donald Trump is an immediate risk to our Country and our Constitution.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 26, 2016 - 09:29pm PT
Don't forget...Donald Trump wants to bang his daughter....
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 26, 2016 - 09:36pm PT
Don't forget...Donald Trump wants to bang his daughter....

dang, right when i was about to respect your opinion.


Nattering Nabobs of Negativism, be damned.

you tell me where to put the blame?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 26, 2016 - 09:44pm PT
Putin prefers Trump because they both wear the same sized gloves...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 26, 2016 - 10:48pm PT

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQdiHIZgSo&index=8&list=PLMKA5kzkfqk18faruyGLVu1YI1-4i2N7P]
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 26, 2016 - 10:49pm PT
Everything has shifted - the right is now moderate and the left is utterly deranged.

There's a name for this in psychology. It's called projection.

Curt
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 26, 2016 - 11:02pm PT
uhhh...

on what planet is:
 the "taking out the families" of terrorists,
 the creation of a "deportation force" to send the 11 million undocumented immigrants back to mexico,
 the "bringing back of a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding",
 the building of a wall between mexico and the u.s.,
 the halting of all muslim immigration,
 the placeing of a 45% tarrif on chinese exports, a 35% tarrif on mexican exports and a 20% tarrif on all other goods being exported to the u.s...

"moderate"???!?!?!!!?



wow. i think i can officially now say i've heard it all...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 26, 2016 - 11:16pm PT
have ya heard this one,

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bv_ALKkTjQ&index=20&list=PLMKA5kzkfqk18faruyGLVu1YI1-4i2N7P]


america is the stage.


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2016 - 05:04am PT
Bill O'Reilly is off to a good start this week, defending slavery in response to Michelle Obama's comment about waking up in a house every day that was built by slaves.

"Slaves that worked there were well-fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government, which stopped hiring slave labor in 1802. However, the feds did not forbid subcontractors from using slave labor. So, Michelle Obama is essentially correct in citing slaves as builders of the White House, but there were others working as well. Got it all? There will be a quiz."



Radical posted
No one is advocating hating all Muslims .

Just fearing them. (Learn to use the quote button. Your wall of text is fairly unintelligible mouth frothing and not being able to distinguish the quotes from your own text isn't helping.)
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jul 27, 2016 - 05:26am PT
Bill O'Reilly lecturing Michelle Obama is ridiculous, for sure.

First of all, none of that is reality- it's not going to occur as you imagine.
Turn off what ever crap media outlet is harping on this 24/7 and feeding you this stuff.

So when the media reports what Trump says that's obfuscation?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2016 - 05:39am PT
Why do people keep trying to dismiss as imaginary the things that Trump explicitly says he's going to do? I'm pretty sure the media has not invented the idea that he's wants to build a wall, profile/ban Muslims, forcibly deport millions of people, start a trade war with China, torch our military alliances in Europe and send global markets into turmoil by defaulting on American debt. Also he wants to blow a $10 trillion hole in the budget with a tax cut for the rich. This is all stuff he has said he wants to do, none of it out of context.





Consensus grows that Russia hacked the DNC.

American intelligence agencies have told the White House they now have “high confidence” that the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and documents from the Democratic National Committee, according to federal officials who have been briefed on the evidence.

But intelligence officials have cautioned that they are uncertain whether the electronic break-in at the committee’s computer systems was intended as fairly routine cyberespionage — of the kind the United States also conducts around the world — or as part of an effort to manipulate the 2016 presidential election.

The emails were released by WikiLeaks, whose founder, Julian Assange, has made it clear that he hoped to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances of winning the presidency. It is unclear how the documents made their way to the group. But a large sampling was published before the WikiLeaks release by several news organizations and someone who called himself “Guccifer 2.0,” who investigators now believe was an agent of the G.R.U., Russia’s military intelligence service.

The assessment by the intelligence community of Russian involvement in the D.N.C. hacking, which largely echoes the findings of private cybersecurity firms that have examined the electronic fingerprints left by the intruders, leaves President Obama and his national security aides with a difficult diplomatic and political decision: whether to publicly accuse the government of President Vladimir V. Putin of engineering the hacking.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 27, 2016 - 06:36am PT
Why do people keep trying to dismiss as imaginary the things that Trump explicitly says he's going to do?

I'm not sure but I'm guessing it is similar to people that get their hackles up when others call Bernie Sanders a socialist - which is a label he self-applied.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 27, 2016 - 06:47am PT
First of all, none of that is reality- it's not going to occur as you imagine.
Turn off what ever crap media outlet is harping on this 24/7 and feeding you this stuff.

Trump proposed every one of those things.

Look it up.

You used to sound pretty sensible a few years back.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2016 - 06:47am PT
Escopeta posted
I'm not sure but I'm guessing it is similar to people that get their hackles up when others call Bernie Sanders a socialist - which is a label he self-applied.

The only people who get their hackles up about Sanders being called a socialist are the actual socialists who like to point out that he isn't. I'm guessing that's similar to business people getting their hackles up about Trump calling himself an amazing businessman.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jul 27, 2016 - 07:12am PT
Why do the trolls feel the need to snipe at every post?

Does it make them feel superior to others?
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jul 27, 2016 - 07:12am PT
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA

Jul 27, 2016 - 04:33am PT

I didn't read any of that.

You can read?
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Jul 27, 2016 - 07:31am PT
Not reading walls of text to try to figure out how some guy ended up with his poor thinking. But this:

Everything has shifted - the right is now moderate and the left is utterly deranged

Is true in opposite-land, that place where everything is backwards and left is right, up is down. Probably the most demonstrably false and ridiculous political statement I've seen in some time (and I watched Trump's shitshow of a convention!)

I don't recall Bernie claiming to be a "socialist", I think he has always claimed to be an advocate for democratic socialism, which is a much different animal than straight up classical socialism.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 27, 2016 - 07:41am PT
"Complacency is the enemy."

Thanks, rockermike.
http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

....

We do need to globalize. If for no other reason than the fact that I can't help but feel I've got more in common with many Chinese, Russians, Iranians, Peruvians etc..... than I do with some of my fellow Americans. I hope the future somehow gets around to it.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 27, 2016 - 07:47am PT
Radical, i read the whole thing. given how far removed your perception of who i might be, from who i actually am and have been is, i'm only going to say the following...

given almost all of what you've projected onto me is completely and thoroughly mistaken, and ironically enough to the one question that you claimed "you already knew the answer to" you were 100% objectively and verifiably wrong, i have no choice but to respect your request:

"don't answer , I already know the answer."



and so i'll only say the following: i always enjoyed your trip reports around here... i hope you're doing well and all the best.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jul 27, 2016 - 07:48am PT

You used to sound pretty sensible a few years back.

Agreed
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 27, 2016 - 07:59am PT

great DNC party!!!!
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