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pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 28, 2016 - 09:38pm PT
The many children left behind pay way too much for their parent's need for this adventure.

Having children is a life long responsibility.

Don't want that? Don't have kids.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 28, 2016 - 10:02pm PT
i can get some for $20 a rock down at circle K
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 28, 2016 - 10:09pm PT
Pure old school BASE is not as responsible for fatalities as all this new wave of proximity flying is it? Maybe that's just the way it looks to me?
It's almost as though they should be separated, BASE and BASEP.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Jun 28, 2016 - 10:15pm PT
Flying off El Cap in a wingsuit - where there is lots of space and comparatively more time - seems a lot less dangerous than proximity flying, and the equally crazy desire to jump off lower and lower places.

I'm quite happy to stay roped to the cliff.....
WBraun

climber
Jun 28, 2016 - 10:17pm PT
Modern mankind is dead, robotic, soulless and sterile of dead end materialism.

These street sadhus are searching to revive their life again.

Without being alive what's the use?

Instead just babbling and drooling as a stoopid politard about Trump all day seems to be all some have ......
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jun 28, 2016 - 10:21pm PT
if only life was so simple, that immediately after an accomplished man's death, we could make blanket black and white statements about a situation that none of us knows the intricacies of...

especially about the complex questions that partners loving spouses with spirits inexplicably intertwined with warrior paths and/or deep exploration, must both wrestle with regarding risk, children, what they all owe each other and so what they also owe themselves...

it's so much easier to start masturbatory threads on supertopo filled with not-so-subtle self-congratulation and overt condemnation than to shut the fUck up for at least a few moments...

good to know some of you gents have sorted all of this out, and know who should and who shouldn't have children, and what should and shouldn't be "risked" in lives where we all face death and have to accept the potential for the [apparently] random in every one of our lives, whether we actively pursue it and face it head on or not.

and so in all seriousness: a genuine fUck you to those of you who think this is the best time and the best manner to pass judgement on the recently deceased.

if you had any respect for the complexity of being human, any scope of vision that accepted the potential of a world that was anything more than a projection of your own experience you'd either delete this thread or at least not fall back on judgemental, hollow and self-congratulatory platitudes.

at least for a few moments...
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2016 - 10:33pm PT
nahoo, you have your head up your azz.

The dude left two very young children without a dad.
Selfish fuking bullshite

Fuk you
rwedgee

Ice climber
CA
Jun 28, 2016 - 10:49pm PT
Better form to get hit by a drunk driver...
Or Trumped by a hit & run illegal alien...
Electrocuted on a daily dog walk ??

Lost some of my "craziest" friends lately rare events
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Jun 28, 2016 - 11:14pm PT
Sean had a kid on the way, Shane had a kid. It's the guys trying to pay some bills and make a name for themselves in Rated X Games. Not just BASE. Dan-O had a kid. I think Sarah Burke is a perfect example.
I blame the armchair cheerleaders, the sleezy sugar water salesmen and the old armchair has-beens living off of the memories of cavalier bravado.
Many telling words from the culpable complicit internuts. Their consciences are showing.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 29, 2016 - 12:24am PT
good post nahOOO
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jun 29, 2016 - 01:25am PT
Ha! A bunch of climbers talking about how selfish base jumper are.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jun 29, 2016 - 02:11am PT
Nahooo, what is wrong with this place & time?

In-appropriate Snarky-ness would be ~Don't make a brat if you're gonna go Splat!
OR,
Don't spawn if there is any chance, you'll end up a smear on the lawn.

This is the right time & place for the flagging of poor parenting,
selfish acts in the name of ??
Looking for one more??
(An adrenalin buzz?)
bragging about the number of flights you've made?

What is important ?


Jump? ~ Don't Jump?
There was a choice, this was not random,
Is/was Not the same as getting the 'Chop' while Climbing.


No S Ledge Rat.
Climbing is about controlling, mitigating risk, we try to stay on the razors edge.
In control, Of what is in our control, using judgment to survive.
Not flinging our selves into the void, un-tethered,
with hopes that it works out all-right this time,
that no gust of wind, down draft or updraft or bird strike, happens .

Also heard of causes: vicious legg Cramp? Reduced depth perception ? Tapping goggles? Contact lens/Eye-Ball, blasted by wind pressure ?)

Doing it over& over, again & again
What is it they say about insanity ?


The Climbers who posted are a bunch of Good Dads.
Fathers who's sense of responsibility is commendable.

Growing up is hard to do!
getting the message to chill, some,
should come 1st, with planning for parent-hood.
Not after ten yrs of playing Dad,


Life throws up plenty of obsticals.
Along the way it is not that much to ask that someone (BOTH parents) be responsible.
In the, search for wing suit /proximity euphoria, the children's well being is being ignored .
Having a flying kook, for a parent who won't grow up to care for you, is one obstacle that is entirely the perpetrators choice.
Growing up will be much harder knowing that the one who you loved & loved you decided that another trip, jump flight whatever was more important than the three of you.
Two at 10 & 8 ! That's is pretty much unforgivable, in many people's book.
ecdh

climber
the east
Jun 29, 2016 - 03:46am PT
i noticed when i became a dad the voice in my head wasnt mine, it was my daughters. sometimes reasoning wins, more often im reminded of a bigger picture where there are bigger risks to play out.

how others play to the voice in their head is up to them. some folks have better reasoning, some folks maybe dont hear it at all. each to their own.
Gunkie

Trad climber
Valles Marineris
Jun 29, 2016 - 05:07am PT
Cost to whom? If a BASE jumper biffs and leaves a loving family behind, maybe there were other forces at play?

1st rule of economics: Everyone makes decisions to maximize benefits to oneself

Apparently the value of risk & enjoyment outweighed the value of the family. To each her own.
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Jun 29, 2016 - 06:33am PT
My father hit a deer on his motorcycle thirteen years ago now. He now has the mental capacity of a four year old and he's a very mean one at that. He's lived in an assisted living facility the entire time. Last time I was home and went to see him my mom asked him if he knew who I was. His response, "yeah, it's your little f*ckin' faggot". This is a common type response from my father. This man NEVER swore in his life previously. This facility costs my family over $9000 dollars a month and the whole incident has ruined our family financially.
Two points--First,I find it fully hypocritical and self-righteous that Mr. motorcycle rider wants to point the finger at BASE jumpers saying what they do is selfish and not fair to those with families. Second,there are actually worse fates than death. Myself and my family deal with it every day.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 29, 2016 - 06:38am PT
Cost? Can BASE jumpers get life insurance at any cost?
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jun 29, 2016 - 06:46am PT
Capt.
Thnx for sharing that, it needs to be made clear, especially here to us risk addicted types.

I too was speaking with a good friends motorcycle accident in mind.

I am not immune to the lure of high speed - very slim to No margin for error, activities.
high likely hood of death or worse, pursuits, should be chased when & if your life is
Not the main spring of others lives.

From 20 years old, Play as long as you want and can,
but when you and another plan a child, let up on the throttle,
Chill out, settle down, GROW dafug UP!

Bullwinkle
Boulder climber, Jun 29, 2016 - 06:48am

Chickenshit breeders. . . .
Now I'll add that I like the poster who's the excellent photographer
I hope that was the Big Dawg, being cheeky? No matter I have the #350357, etched into my super addled mind,
Better Dead Than tied to a bed!
Don't make Brats if your gonna go splatz!

No question ? that for Ten years he was a good dad? Seems like he missed something ?
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Jun 29, 2016 - 06:48am PT
Chickenshit breeders. . . .
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jun 29, 2016 - 06:49am PT
We are not birds.
wbw

Trad climber
'cross the great divide
Jun 29, 2016 - 07:24am PT
Over the past weekend in Boulder, the father of one of the kids in my 9 year olds karate class was hit by a drunk driver while out riding his bike in the afternoon. The drunk driver and her friend had apparently consumed 25 beers between the two, and this was her third time getting in trouble for drinking while driving. It was a hit-and-run. The father, an excellent family man by all accounts was killed. Being a dad, should he have dialed back the risk of riding a bike on a street ??

Anyone that believes they can control the risks presented in life, however mundane some of those risks may seem, is kidding themselves. Just reading that TR on jumping at the Needles, and also the newspaper report about the death of the BASE jumper makes me think this guy must have been a great dad, as well as a calculated risk-taker. I am very saddened by this loss, especially so for his family.


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