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Roger Breedlove
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Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
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Z, the map in your post shows the eastern side of Cleveland (center city is off the map on the upper left.) Cleveland extends to the West about as far as to the East. The poorest sections of Cleveland are in the East, just before the Heights communities which include a wide mix of wealth, income, race, and religion. On the far right of your map the suburban communities are very well off and more segregated. The life expectancy follows income.
Cleveland city is spread out. From 1900 - 1960 Cleveland was around the 6th largest city in the US, with a population of 875,000 in 1960. It is now around 350,000. Everyone who could moved to the suburbs to the East, West, and South did, black and white. The downtown has beautiful buildings, is safe and is super clean but has been mostly empty after the work day except for restaurants, games and shows at Play House Square, the largest performing arts center behind Lincoln Center in Manhattan.
New conversion of office building into apartments cannot happen fast enough-artists who work in NY live in Cleveland. The public schools suck so young families move to the suburbs. (This is changing slowly: my wife is the founder of an academic high school grounded in digital artS within the public school system-I don't know how she does it: she has a fulltime job as the executive director of a nonprofit which provides arts education to 250,000 kids each year. I am a dedicated slacker by comparison.)
There is a large latino community within Cleveland on the West side and the largest Hungarian community outside of Budapest in the southern communities. Cleveland, amongst midwest cities is very diverse. Ancient neighborhoods are being resettled by urban pioneers. The Cleveland Clinic and Case Western University hospitals anchor the far Eastern edge of the city. University Circle at the Eastern edge houses Severance Hall for the Orchestra, the Cleveland Museum of Art, the Natural History Museum, the Botanical Gardens, the Cleveland Institute of Music, the Cleveland School of the Arts, etc.
These are holdovers from 100 years ago, but still going strong. What surprises folks is the Cleveland is beautiful and among the best cities in the US for arts, education, and culture but very affordable. And for unknown reasons Cleveland is a foodies town with a huge number of great restaurants at all price points. After living in New York last for work, I can attest to this. We also have major sports teams who always lose, just to maintain the vibe. Cleveland is the smallest market to host major football, baseball, and basketball.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 22, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
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Thanks for the clarification Roger. I now know more about Cleveland than I do about Detroit, which my parents escaped from in the early 1940's.
Where did my father opt for? Washington state, then subsequently San Diego due to Congressman Bob Wilson whom he met in the army.
Funny where these things lead. The life expectancy maps for the entire U.S. are a bit of an eye-opener.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 22, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
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I am a dedicated slacker by comparison.
once a climber, always a climber... but she knew that about you from the beginning
congrats on your city's celebration! enjoy it and the spot light
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Jun 22, 2016 - 09:08pm PT
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So happy for Cleveland. Although I've been out in silicon valley for the last 15 years I grew up in Cleveland! I think if zbrown posted up the bay area life expectancy in a similar grid size used in Cleveland it would show similar results. East Palo Alto and East Cleveland, as well as parts of Oakland are basically the same places. Hell the only place any ever tried to mug me was in Detroit.
For all the bad wrap Cleveland gets, it has an awesome natural history museum, art museum, and a lot of culture as well as being the home of Case Western University.
I would agree that living in Buffalo or Baltimore could be sketchy though ;)
Anyhow, congrats to the Cavs and the City of Cleveland!
EDIT: Rodger, I just read you post a few up and I did forget to mention Severance - I remember going to concerts there as a child!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2016 - 09:11pm PT
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sorry. i deleted that top of the page post.
i see now how much cleveland means to you.
CLEVELAND ROCKS!
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 23, 2016 - 04:30am PT
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Thanks Blue, The really odd thing about the greater Cleveland area is the gap between perceptions and reality. Cities which get a bad rap generally deserve it, but even perceptions about those cities are balanced. I think Cleveland is unique. Foreign visitors are blown away when they visit and never understand Cleveland jokes.
We moved here for my first job after graduate school in 1982. Two SF kids with a new baby and a mountain of school debt. We cried. We had just assumed we would move back to the City or someplace almost as cool, like Paris or Boston. We had opportunities to move, and now that the girls are grow, we could live anywhere. When we travel we are always struck by how great other places are, but when we return, for a few minutes, we see Cleveland in the same light. Then it all becomes familiar. The only places that retained their magic, even behind the curtain, are Paris, The City and Yosemite.
We are recipients of the huge concentration of wealth in Cleveland from 100 years ago which built the beautiful buildings downtown, the cultural institutions, the Cleveland Foundation, and the largest areas of fine old homes, never left in disrepair, in the US. Our non-Cleveland friends think everyone is a zillionaire. This is in my neighborhood in Cleveland Heights.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 23, 2016 - 06:44am PT
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I think if zbrown posted up the bay area life expectancy in a similar grid size used in Clevelan
Well kev, I already posted a map showing that life expectancy in California and Ohio is pretty similar.
If you want to see a county sized grid let me suggest that you look one up and post it.
Roger:
Speaking of wealth
I wonder if Ohio has the rather nice retirement packages that Cali "awards" its civil servants.
A San Diego under sheriff retired after 35 years at age 61 to the tune of an annual payout of $230,000. He was recently hired back 3 months later ($230K still in tact) and gets paid roughly $95K for 1/3 time work.
We haven't touched on weather etc. What is the Ohio equivalent of seismophobia?
EDIT:
I have an extra 15 seconds to spend. As Roger correctly pointed out, life expectancy is more highly correlated with economic factors than geography. Anyway heres Alameda County looking at you.
Don't let it out, but I may be working on in addition to "the geometry of innocent flesh on the bone", a coefficient of death by natural disaster. People magazine has professed an interest.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jun 23, 2016 - 06:54am PT
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A San Diego under sheriff retired after 35 years at age 61 to the tune of an annual payout of $230,000. He was recently hired back 3 months later ($230K still in tact) and gets paid roughly $95K for 1/3 time work.
Only law enforcement and fire fighters get that sort of deal. And politicians.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 23, 2016 - 07:19am PT
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Lefty ended up in Cleveland after selling out Pancho in the deserts down in Mexico.
Yeah, but the under sheriff coulda had him any day.
BTW
On October 21, 2008, a number of Van Zandt's personal possessions were auctioned off at The Northside in Akron, Ohio. Townes lived for some time in Colorado and from the looks of the l.e. map, might have been better off to stay there, if long life was what he was seeking.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 23, 2016 - 07:26am PT
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Getting back to some of the impetus for this thread.
Congrats to the CAVs. They made a phenomenal comeback.
I actually originally was pulling for them since they didn't get to compete with a full squad last year. However, gradually the homeboy in me drifted to the "locos".
I'll be happy to see LeBraj out at WindanSea in the future.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jun 23, 2016 - 09:23am PT
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I love seeing Cleveland,
it brings back found memories of when I was The Brave Cowboy. I had roped a phine Thoro-bred, Phillie,. Un-willing to give up my finest bridle, & not wanting to release the the horse back into the herd, since the breakin process was complete I let her graze one last summer in her home paddock.
Also, it is Better than driving to the flat beige state of plain.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 30, 2016 - 08:27am PT
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Cleveland is still high from their long sports drought being over.
You go Roger, fly your flag with pride.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Only a town that Lebron could love...nothing wrong with that.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 16, 2016 - 08:44pm PT
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Well a number of years ago they cleaned up one of the most polluted rivers in the country so they seem prepared.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2016 - 01:08am PT
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We are in East Africa--Zanzibar over the weekend for our daughter's wedding, Dar today, Addis Ababa for a few days and then Cleveland after the place has been cleaned up. I really do hope that it goes well for everyone: Cleveland does not need any more bad press.
I can imagine that the Cleveland police are very nervous about Ohio's open-carry gun laws, but I cannot see how they can achieve an exception to the State's laws--the precedent would be Uuge. In Dallas, during the sniper attack on the police, there were more than a few open carry enthusiast with long rifles. As far as I know, none participated, begging the question "what's the value of open-carry if the owners don't use their guns."
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 18, 2016 - 02:57am PT
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Safe journey, Roger.
Rhetorically, "Why must so many threads which start well turn into "gun threads?"
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