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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2016 - 09:13pm PT
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I think the Willy's Jeep utility vehicles of World War II (military vehicles) are being confused with present-day Jeep sport utility vehicles (soccer-mom vehicles).
Yelchin's Jeep was a soccer-mom vehicle, not a military vehicle.
The Land Rover was specifically created to offer the Willy's Jeep off-road capability to the farmers of Great Britain. The Land Rover was intended to be a multi-purpose agricultural vehicle and lightweight tractor.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 09:19pm PT
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Land Rovers are POS now, too. They are only minimally better in customer satisfaction
than Jeeps. Both have horrible transmissions that love to quit in the middle of
intersections and dealer networks that are in a close race for the bottom. So sad.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2016 - 09:34pm PT
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Land Rovers are POS now, too.
Yes.
Especially considering the high price, the new ones seem like a bad deal.
There was a generational sweetspot for Land Rover quality, about ten years ago, when BMW owned the company. BMW got rid of Lucas Electrical equipment in favor of Bosch, which made a big difference in reliability, right there. I heard BMW bought the company to obtain access to the Land Rover suspension technology, which they applied to their own line of SUVs.
Then, Ford bought Land Rover from BMW, and later sold it to Tatra Motors of India, whose fine quality motoring catalog includes a $999 car for the Hindu masses.
My 1989 Range Rover was the last of an early line-up with decent quality. In 1990, they started adding low-reliability crap like ABS brakes, air-spring suspension, complex, computerized fuel-and-ignition system, bizarre transmission lock-out switches for "safety", and so forth
I bought my Rover in 2005, and I am still waiting for it to transmogrify into a notoriously English car that is a total POS.
That hasn't happened yet (knocks on the real wood interior trim . . . . . .)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 21, 2016 - 12:47am PT
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Yelchin's SUV had a new-fangled, computerized "artificial intelligence" electronic control for the transmission.
The label - 'artificial intelligence' - could not be more ill-advised. People of late are losing their minds over it. In so many ways it's unfortunate it didn't die with the technology that spawned it.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2016 - 01:58pm PT
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^^^^^^ That invocation of "artificial intelligence" was an exaggeration for rhetorical effect.
It wasn't supposed to be taken literally.
However, the gist of the statement, if not the actual details, remain accurate. The electronic shifter of Yelchin's SUV was new and modern, but had not been properly designed, tested and evaluated before being loosed on the unsuspecting and credulous public.
There is a tremendous urgency by corporations of all types to rush their untested and unsafe products out to the public. A conspicuous and persistent example is the pharmaceutical companies selling drugs that are soon revealed to be much more dangerous than what was claimed.
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