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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 20, 2016 - 09:55am PT
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no, and I would get a new kitten instead
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 09:59am PT
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Norton, I am just researching it now (as the vet only informed me less than an hour ago).
Apparently, so far as my research shows, a cat amputee has a pretty good quality of life. But I am only just delving into the matter.
I don't want to lose her but I want her to have a quality of life as well.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:01am PT
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I could never cut off a kitten's leg.
I'd have to pay someone else to do that.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:04am PT
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That is not funny Apogee, or helpful at all.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:07am PT
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Sorry. Not trying to make light of your situation, directly...not envious of the predicament. Good luck, though!
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Karla
climber
Colorado
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:08am PT
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Plenty of tripod cats around and they do quite well.
Wishing you the best on all accounts!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:11am PT
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Cats worry a lot less about their future than we do..Kitten will be better with 3 legs than with a leg that hurts all the time.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:19am PT
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Locker is a good man.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:24am PT
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If you love your cat, this shouldn't even be a question. There are lots of three legged cats in the world. She'll get along fine. If this was a terminal situation/ something where she'd always be in pain, etc, it might be a different story. She's got another fifteen years or so ahead of her
Find the money. I'm sure there is an animal welfare group that will help you out. You took this responsibility when you took her into your home.
If you're looking for someone to give you permission to terminate a life you have taken responsibility for without feeling guilty, look elsewhere. Whatever you do goes back squarely to you. Your karma etc. do you really think saving 1500£ that admittedly you don't have, is Ever, going to feel like the right decision? Ever going to be okay?
Could you live with that?
I couldn't.
My cat Hipshot lost his tail at the same age. He had surgery we couldn't afford, and months of daily care to get him to pull through. For the next fifteen years all his cat " sure footedness" was compromised. Cats use their tails for balance and to absorb impact when they jump. This seven pound cat sounded like a bag of cement when he jumped on a table. He had tons of problems and learned to deal with them. He was a cat, he just accepted his reality. Your cat will too!
He was the coolest cat ever!
If you let her go, don't get another cat! Because that would demonstrate that you're not up to the task.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:29am PT
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Ha ha, hadn't seen lockers post when I wrote mine. Great minds.....
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:31am PT
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Our cat was attacked by a couple of dogs. He dragged himself into the house, his back left leg broken in 9 places. We had surgery done, it wasn't cheap. They did a great job and he lived another 9 years with no issues. He was a good cat. Glad we did it.
Of course, my dad's solution would have been a .22 short at a yuuuge cost savings.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:35am PT
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Folks it is not the cost, I spent well over a thousand trying to save Boots, and would have spent a thousand more.
It is about Betty having a quality of life.
I suppose I could have worded the question differently. I grew up and over the years have had a lot of animals. Back home in California we had cats, dogs, rabbits, chickens, pigeons, a dumb turkey, ducks, some great goats, horse, pony, monkey.
I took my late dog Ci from Wales to London to California to Ireland.
But I never had to make a decision about amputation.
Vet says if it was his cat, he'd go for amputation. He said that even if the specialists at UCD could save the leg, there would be no guarantee of surgery being successful or that Betty would have a quality of life, considering her temperament (lovely but she hates being handled when she is not well) and that she would need medications, bandages, pins put in, taken out, pins remaining in, and such.
Cost is not an issue.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:37am PT
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What locker says.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:39am PT
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Yes Locker and Jaybro, with all due respect and with no offense intended, you are both wrong. I just want what is right for Betty.
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James Wilcox
Trad climber
Goleta/Virginia Lakes
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:42am PT
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If the cost was a known quantity(i.e not going to continue to add up) I'd probably spend the money.
That said, I've seen numerous 3-legged dogs that get around just fine. Assuming it doesn't create havoc on a cat's internal gyroscope I'd assume they'd fare equally as well.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:44am PT
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Because that would demonstrate that you're not up to the task.
A presumption on your part Jaybro, thanks, I did not know you were capable of prejudging people. I bow to your wisdom and insight, NOT.
EDIT
I suppose I worded the question wrong.
Locker, I was not looking for approval for anything, I guess I should have asked people with amputee cats how they get along.
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ELM !
climber
Near Boston
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:58am PT
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Patrick I have been involved with a cat who went through a front leg amputation. She was not my personal cat but a close friends. My recollection is she was 2 at the time. Her leg had been basically shredded by a motorcycle strike. I have to say the first couple days were not the most fun and the cat really was frustrated. By the end of the first week she was doing everything she wanted and only occasionally fell. After about two months you would have thought she was born without the leg. She was agile and had fully adapted. Way better than putting her to sleep!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:00am PT
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hey there say, patrick... just saw this, a bit late, i reckon...
say, three legged cats can do well, (as you have seen clips, that will
help reassure this) ...
humans forget, at times, that critters are different than humans, in the
respects of:
recovery, and being different...
they adapt so much more than humans...
they don't through all the 'questioning... not-whats... how will i ever...
and: what will others think of me... am i still accepted...
and all of those things that humans 'emotionaly' are 'geared for' ...
they just (if not in the wild) 'keep on trucking' ...
as to trailing on through life...
hope the cat will be okay, through surgery, and recovery and give
you many happy years...
and, please, though, remember this:
you are a person of worth, patrick...
it is NOT bad karma... the world 'has storms' and hard seasons, and
rough seas, at times...
we are all learning how to 'press on' , conquer, and 'weather the situations' ...
we can, with friends...
hang in there...
it has just been a long rough season... (droughts, remember
do exist, in the world, etc... ) ...
each hard trail, too, has a better view, once mastered, and
the valley, meadows, etc, ARE there along the way:
and it all helps MAKE us who we 'should be' and are striving to me...
keep doing the BEST you can...
we are-- only human...
god bless, and may this week, turn out special in some new way...
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:02am PT
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Firstly, if mentioning the cost of any surgery made me sound callous, that was not my intention.
I am just looking for advice from those who have had to make such a decision in the past.
If I sound a bit edgy, I am. I was expecting the vet to say it was a simple fracture that they could realign and splint/cast. I was not expecting the diagnosis that he said. And my final presentation towards my masters tomorrow has me a bit on edge anyway, and then this.
Of course I love the cat aand i will do what is best for Betty.
As for karma, I just feel down and out of sorts over this. Karma has nothing to do with it. Mea Culpa.
For all of those that offered advice, thank you, and yes Locker (and Jaybro) I can see where you are coming from.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:07am PT
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there would be no guarantee of surgery being successful or that Betty would have a quality of life, considering her temperament (lovely but she hates being handled when she is not well) and that she would need medications, bandages, pins put in, taken out, pins remaining in, and such.
then do not put her through all that, you don't have to prove you love her
put her to sleep painlessly and avoid doing all that to her
we have made these same quality of life decisions many times over 40 years with no regrets
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:11am PT
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hey there say, patrick...
ooopss, sorry for the karma-note, there...
i had just seen that the 'word' came up, in the post...
so wanted to share that, ...
ps:
anyone would feel 'down' about this-- i've had my bad-downs, a'ways back,
when my cat swallowed a needle and thread...
it was an awful three days, and nothing that could be done, at that time... it was weeked, into holiday, no money for surgery, and no way to even get out of town, to where the only 'open emergency' was...
it was a very rough time, and very scary time... :(
the cat passed the needle--which was a miracle for it...
we all feel down, when our pets get hurt...
hang in there, patrick...
may some 'someshine' come your way, soon, in good ways...
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:11am PT
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I spent $1,500 for cardiac surgery on my new kitten
I promised the animal shelter that I would take care of the cat.
Turns out I took home a sick kitty that was in heart failure.
Named the kitten Lucy after the hottie by the same name on General Hospital.
Why can't the just splint the leg?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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hey there say, locker...
:)
oh my, :)
reminds me of some of my cats, and their 'odd jobs' on various things
i have owned, over the years, :))
mainly, not in 'repairs' though...
(good cat-drift)
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:24am PT
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Norton, I suppose euthanasia would be the "simplest" thing but not the easiest.
From some of the posts, and my research in the past hour or so, I am inclined to have her leg amputated and let her have a life. We live in the sticks (I wonder if a cow stepped on her, seriously), and so she would not have a lot of cars/traffic to deal with and she does love the beach (about 40 meters from the house).
And she is young and spirited. The vet said it would be amputated below the shoulder. I am almost sure I have made up my mind...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:29am PT
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hey there say, patrick...
once your 'gut feeling' is settled, you will feel better...
thank you for sharing the wonderful photo there...
ps: my cat, thankfully, went on to have a few more good years...
about, 2, only--he was already 21 years, perhaps 23, even--
he was very frail, only two years, AFTER the needle episode...
from it's records...
EDIT:
i had been 'baby'ing' him, through his last years, but HAD to go to my dad's memorial, in calif, and others took care of
him for me... he may not have gotten that 'extra care' but he made it
a year, almost?? after i got back, then... but, it was obvious, soon,
that his time was getting short... good thing, he was not pain, though...
yours, being younger, will be there, to cheer you up, :)
and, you will look back on this, and feel better,
with time...
i have had more laughs, from this 'very different' personality cat...
he died, at home, one night, after a vet-check, and not doing well...
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:32am PT
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Dingus,
Pat rhymes better with cat than Paddy does. ;-)
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:33am PT
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Another vote for 3 legged cat.
A 3 legged cat will have a fine life. Her quality of life is much more about how you treat her than if she has 4 legs.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:47am PT
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So true Locker.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:58am PT
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I had a three legged dog and it didn't seem to be miserable, so I doubt a light little cat would have too much of an issue, except trying to climb stuff. On the bright side, cats kill a lot of native animals and a three legged kitten would be more likely to leave other creatures alone.
That being said, my personal opinion is that I'll never spend a lot of money on a pet as long as there are starving children without healthcare on the planet. Not judging those who do, but I could just never justify it.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 20, 2016 - 12:15pm PT
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Quality of life? Not expense? Not a request for pity? m Really? when there so many happy three legged animals in the world?
Not buying it
I still think you wanted someone to give you permission for something you know is wrong.
Why else would you start this thread? It's not like you didn't know how to google " amputee cats" you're a journalist,
Ferchrisakes,
-good thing I know you're not back on the sauce.....
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 12:21pm PT
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Think what you want Jaybro.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Jun 20, 2016 - 12:24pm PT
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We just went thru this last October. We opted for surgery to repair the leg with external fixation. The hardest part was keeping the cat in a cage for 2 months while it healed. It is now 100% and one of the happiest cats ever! If you can afford it, and they can fix the leg, do it. Otherwise follow everyone else's advise.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Jun 20, 2016 - 12:27pm PT
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I don't think many vets would even euthanize such a young, otherwise healthy cat.
Work out a payment plan and get it done before it becomes worse, creating systemic issues which she can't bounce back from.
Susan
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 12:42pm PT
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G_Gnome, I will see what the vet Martin and some of his colleagues (it is a 'large' practice, six vets) say. It is a break of both the ulna and radius right above the carpal bones and apparently is a bit 'messy', so to speak (my words, not his).
He said there was no urgency in making a decision, Betty is comfortable in the hospital, so I am told. But I will have to make a decision in the next day or so, and yes Betty will be with Aggie and I for years to come.
And thank you for no ad hominem remark. I can do without them or being judged, like I believe most of us can do without such nonsense.
EDIT
SC Seagoat, yes, Martin did not suggest such a drastic action such as euthanasia, he just mentioned it. I will weigh out the two options (I initially mentioned three because that was what was told to me, I was just a bit shocked at how severe the injury is, but putting her down was never an option in my eyes).
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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Jun 20, 2016 - 12:58pm PT
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Kudos to you Patrick for trying to do right by Betty. I've seen (online) plenty of handicapped cats that are living a good life due to their loving humans. While human beings might give up the will to live when faced with adversaries, it seems to me that the will to live in these animals is very strong. There are many inspiring survival stories out there. Best of luck to your Betty.
Now, about justifying the cost to save our pet companions. I've seen it brought up a few times (even just on this board). With three cats in the house and one I'm feeding outside, I've been lucky so far. But it's inevitable that one day I might just have to do the justification. I don't know if the folks have pets of their own, but to me, my cats are my family members. They ARE my children. We have no problem justifying spending money on recreational equipment such as climbing gear, or even just the computer that we are reading Supertopo on, while there are people in the world dying of starvation. I cannot use that excuse not to save my pet companions.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 20, 2016 - 01:02pm PT
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I know nothing is funny when you are in a situation dealing with an injured or sick animal but apogee comment was kind of funny
For the record I would get the operation if I have the money and if I didn't I would find an organization to help if I could
Never owned but have seen plenty of tripods running around and it never ceases to amaze me the level of athleticism displayed by dogs and cats
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clode
Trad climber
portland, or
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Jun 20, 2016 - 01:05pm PT
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Patrick, I feel your pain. My wife and I have 4-1/2 cats (the half cat is our neighbor's cat that has found and knows how to use our cat door. He spends half of his time eating, sleeping and playing at our house, hence the 1/2 cat). Anyway, we had to take one of our cats in for emergency surgery, due to an obstructed urethra. Not a leg issue, but certainly a quality of life issue, since without the surgery he would have died. We had to take on over $3,000 in debt to pay for it. We barely can make the payments but it was well worth it. He (now a sort-of she), is back to his normal, usual self. Do what it takes to save Betty, whether the full-blown surgery, or the amputation. I would do the amputation. Best of luck!
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The Lisa
Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
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Jun 20, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
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Cats can handle all sorts of disabilities - one eye, no eyes, three legs, this cat has no front legs: https://www.instagram.com/lilbunnysueroux/?hl=en
She will adapt perfectly to losing one leg and you get to keep your little fluffball. She probably broke her leg jumping and landing badly, it happens.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 01:16pm PT
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Thank you all. And Overwatch, I suppose Apogee's comment was a bit humorous, I just wasn't feeling all the 'laughable' at the time when I read it.
We do have to make light of situations sometimes.
So, on that note, my dear late brother Mac once joked over the phone to me that our dear late mother (Alzheimer's in a nursing home in El Sobrante) gets to "meet new people every day".
Again, thank you all for your advice, as for looking for pity as one poster suggested, perhaps I was.
It just is, I started this thread shortly after the vet Martin gave me the news. And yes, Martin suggested I google 'amputee cats'. I suppose I should have, instead of laying myself bare to the class joker, who I used to have the utmost respect for. C'est la vie.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
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I haven't resigned to Betty losing her leg, there may be a glimmer of hope, but she is certainly not going to lose her life.
If I have to sell everything I have, I will, to see that Betty gets the best treatment for what is best for her.
Some say to amputate and she will still have a good life, some say if I can afford it to go for the specialists.
Several people have told me to put her down.
One person says he paid to have/give his pets the best medical attention but convincing his farm-raised father why he saved his pets instead of shooting them… actually about three people have related similar stories, about farm-raised fathers not considering that a pet is like a child.
I adopted Betty (and Aggie), I have very little outside of them, I have nothing else, I have no children except those two, they are my girls. Betty's well being means the world to me. I will not sleep tonight.
Some of you may not understand, some of you may understand.
I am not looking for sympathy, contrary to what one poster thinks, but just to try to make the best informed choice.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Jun 20, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
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The cat will be fine with just three legs.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 20, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
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Lots of 3 legged cats have good lives filled with love. No shame in amputation. Then you can change her name to Tripod Betty!
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Jun 20, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
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Our three legged cat (tripod) is a total sweetheart, and lives a really happy, healthy life. Stop whining about Jenny, or money, or other bs and help the cat fer chrissakes. F*#k.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 03:30pm PT
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I've met quite a few 3 legged dogs, and one cat over the last 5 years. I believe my eyes were opened up in the 70's when I regularly spotted the neighborhood 3 legged coyote with a 4 legged cat in its mouth trotting down the road.
1) it's a kitten (young)? check
2) loving family? check
3) you can afford? seems like a check
If that's what you decide to do, I think kitten will be just fine barring complications.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 04:06pm PT
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I have a friend with a three legged dog. One of her front legs was amputated after falling out the back of a car (not my friend's car; she adopted it shortly post-amputation). She gets along just fine and is super friendly.
I imagine an animal's quality of life is more about its family than its number of appendages.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:20pm PT
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Again, to iterate, thanks for the feedback. As for any negative comments, I suppose I should have expected those when I started the thread, but most of you have been positive and helpful
Stop whining about Jenny, or money, or other bs and help the cat fer chrissakes.
Atchafalaya, yes you are right, I have been whinging, and yes I should pull my thumb out, and I will.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:28pm PT
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nice job on the tough love there Snatchlfilletya
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:35pm PT
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Blueblocr, I rarely start threads and I rarely delete them, and see no reason why I should nuke this thread.
This will be my last post to it, and hope that it leaves the front page. If you have a problem with that or want to slag me, do it in an email so you will not bump the thread up.
:-)
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the goat
climber
north central WA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:41pm PT
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I wouldn't hesitate if you love your cat and it appears you do. We amputated our cat's leg after it was nearly severed off by a serpentine belt (we think). She did fine on three legs until an owl or coyote finished what the Explorer started. It's tough being a pussy in this country.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:43pm PT
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hey there say, patrick... i think the thread is very good...
i never throught much about cats, with three legs...
i have seen many dogs, and how well they do...
they videos, were very well done, and informative...
glad that they were shared, here, too!
say, we need to learn new things, and this really CAN help someone,
else, someday...
this forum, of climbers, has created a VAST 'collection' of many
things, 'under the sun' that are 'on file' one might say:
for anyone's, future use, whatever their need...
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Crazy Bat
Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
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Jun 21, 2016 - 01:02am PT
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Three legged cats are amazing. The first one I met was declawed on its front feet and had one of its back legs amputated at the hip. The original owners had opted to put it down, but my neighbor, being a vet neededto practice the surgery and adopted it after. She had three other cats and it was the one who brought her presents and climbed more trees.
I had one who had a peg leg. She was her mothers first kitten and momma got carried awy cleaning her. She frequently tried to use the leg. Appearently this is common and can be painfull. As a result most vets amputate at the hip or shoulder.
Have it done and enjoy the priveledge of having a differently abled cat. By the way, three feet make a yard. Cats prefer to be called Yard cats, not tripods. LOL
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 21, 2016 - 01:31am PT
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I had a cat that got a front leg amputated (cancer) and it did just fine after a couple months of adjusting. Frankie could run, fetch ( champagne corks) hunt, and all the other things cats do.
He looked a little awkward stalking, but still caught stuff.
Cats can't count. They have no idea how many legs they have.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Jun 21, 2016 - 04:08pm PT
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Patrick sent me the following message, which I hope it's OK to repost here:
Okay, UCD Veterinary Hospital will save Betty's leg with very little risk of short-term or long-term complications, but it will cost me between €400-€500 (amputation by the vet in Wexford would be €450). I need to get her up there by Friday and pay the €400-€500 (I will know what the figure is tomorrow morning) upfront on Friday.
I started a gofundme.com (first time I have done crowd funding) asking for €600 (to also cover travel/petrol costs). You can find it at www.gofundme.com/2at6fd64.
I also put up a bunch of gear/equipment for sale on climbing.ie (see attached jpeg) looking for €700.
If anybody is feeling generous…
Thanks, it means a lot to me to save Betty's leg.
cheers
Patrick
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couchmaster
climber
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Jun 21, 2016 - 06:07pm PT
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If it was a pig, put me in the YES column....if I had a smoker. Otherwise, NO. ps, a new cat can be had for under $10. Never a happy occurrence to lose a pet.... but....anyway, you asked what we thought so that's my point of view for me personally.
ie, regarding Patrick Sawyers first post which said, quote: "Betty the kitten has a bad break (how? I do not know, but it does not matter) on her front right leg. Only three options - euthanasia; referral to UCD vet school (at least €1,500) for special surgery; or full amputation of the leg.
Aggie the puppy loves her little sister, and so do I.
Karma must hate me, first Jennie going into the nursing home, then losing Boots (great cat) to hyperthyroidism last July, and now Betty.
I do not know what to do. She will be one July 24. She is a darling.
On top of that the postgrad UCD course finishes tomorrow and my head is not in the right place to prepare (finish) my final presentation, or even deliver it tomorrow.
Do any Taco Standers have a cat that has three legs, and a front leg gone? If so, how does it get along? "
As far as giving anyone $600 to cut off a cats leg, nope. Think of the good you could do if you spread that around to a pet shelter or put it elsewhere. $600 bucks could get a 3rd world kid an operation. Etc etc. Good luck with your choices.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Jun 21, 2016 - 06:15pm PT
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Trying to do a donation but they don't take PayPal. I'm wondering about foreign transaction fees cutting into a fair donation.
I don't mind helping for kitty expenses but rolling in personal travel expense seems a little over the top. Come on'.
Susan
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Jun 21, 2016 - 06:30pm PT
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I tried to donate through gofundme, but it wouldn't accept my credit card - first time that has ever happened. Can anyone advise regarding this?
And if Patrick incurs some travel expenses to get from home to Dublin (?), OK by me.
Edit: worked when I tried this morning.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 21, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
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There was no joking. Sometimes tough love is bitter medicine. So quit whining.
Is that cat fixed yet? While you type and ponder, she has to hobble on a broken leg. This particular dilemma is one you can actually do something about.
Like spike said, " Do the right thing"
Contra Costa alum etal are counting on you. Don't bring shame on Saranap!!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Jun 21, 2016 - 07:35pm PT
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Let us know how your M.A. went and the cat's leg.
I envy you living so close to the beach.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 21, 2016 - 09:03pm PT
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hey there say, ... i'd like to help too... due to folks helping me, but, i have only 1.76? or so, left... until july...
:(
i can help with a tiny bit, after july, :(
but i will sure pray for some success for all this...
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couchmaster
climber
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Jun 22, 2016 - 02:37pm PT
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Mighty, I wonder if your card is set up to pay a bill in Euros or if the credit card providers fraud software stopped it. Best to just call your card company and ask why you couldn't donate.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 25, 2016 - 04:52am PT
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Thank you all for your feedback.
I was preparing for the worse, a three-legged cat coming home (heck, easier than a three-legged human).
The vets at UCD were able to save the leg (bad fracture and dislocation in the carpal bones), two pins, a plate and a screw (tiny bones they are). Though it is early days.
I cannot edit this thread for some reason, but I have emailed Chris asking to delete it (I hate nuking a thread, people have taken time to respond, and I respect that).
And after over ten years on the Taco Stand, I have now asked Chris to delete me, there is too much sniping, bickering and pettiness for my taste. And I have not contributed that much anyway, to climbing issues.
I have too much in life to do than banter with some on this forum, and please do not take that wrong, I respect most of you Supertopians.
Cheers and best wishes and safe climbing to all.
Patrick
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