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ATS
climber
Mountain Project
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Jun 10, 2016 - 02:43pm PT
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""not sure how these categories are defined, but if you look for the words "reserve" and "preserve" you come up with:""
Ed, there is no difference between the two.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 26, 2016 - 07:23am PT
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has sufficient trails to see pretty much everything.
In truth, google earth let's you see everything you need. Why don't we go full lock down and not allow any access, trails and roads to anything.
This, is how it all starts....
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 26, 2016 - 07:32am PT
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I think the SD Sierra Club has it about right. This proposal is too broad.
Dear Ms. Mangat, Sierra Club San Diego writes to express our concern regarding the scope of the California Department of Parks and Recreation’s (DPR) proposed rule regarding off-trail use restrictions for reserves and preserves. Specifically, we are concerned that the scope of the proposed rule is much too broad, and would hinder the legitimate and responsible enjoyment of the wilderness by members of the public who have proven dedication to the protection of these places. For six decades, Sierra Club San Diego has operated its signature outdoors education and recreation program, the Wilderness Basics Course (WBC). Every spring, WBC teaches students the essentials of backpacking, wilderness survival, and responsible enjoyment of public lands. As part of the program, WBC educates students in the ethics of “leave no trace”: instructing students to hike and camp on durable surfaces, to pack in and pack out trash, to minimize the use and impact of fires, to leave what they find, and to be respectful of other people and cultures. Most importantly, WBC aims to inspire new generations of conservationists who will fight to preserve our wilderness and public lands for posterity. As part of the WBC program, students participate in four weekend backpacking trips, most of which are in Anza-Borrego Desert State Park. Anza-Borrego has traditionally allowed certain off-trail activities, and WBC uses this flexibility to educate students in land navigation fundamentals, appropriate campsite selection, introduction to desert flora and fauna, and how to stay safe, healthy, and found in the wilderness. Access to off-trail areas is a critical aspect of this education program, and the lessons of the WBC program would be severely curtailed if the proposed rule were adopted. Additionally, while Sierra Club’s San Diego’s WBC program would be deleteriously affected by this proposed rule, our chapter’s 11,000 members would also lose access to many of the places in Anza-Borrego that they have lovingly enjoyed and protected for decades.
Sierra Club San Diego believes that the scope of the proposed rule is far too broad, and that enforcement of such a rule in places like Anza-Borrego would hinder rather than help the preservation of California’s cultural preserves, open space, and wilderness. Not only would the proposed rule be practically unenforceable, but it would prevent programs like the WBC from adequately training its students in responsible wilderness recreation, and severely limit its mission of nurturing new stewards to care for and preserve public lands. Of course, Sierra Club San Diego understands and appreciates the need to protect environmentally sensitive areas and cultural preserves from destructive human encroachment, and we applaud DPR’s efforts to restore fragile ecosystems to full health. We believe, however, that decisions regarding off-trail restrictions should be made on a case-by-case basis, with input from the public and stakeholders for each location where such restrictions are proposed. Sierra Club San Diego urges DPR to modify the proposed rule so that decisions on off-trail restrictions are made on a case-by-case basis with adequate opportunity for public input and comment. We believe that better solutions can be fashioned to protect the most ecologically sensitive areas of our state lands from destructive encroachment, while also preserving the ability of responsible individuals and groups to enjoy wilderness areas as they have for generations. Such solutions should be crafted on a case-by-case basis, in full consultation with the public and stakeholders who know these places best. Thank you for your consideration of our concerns.
Sincerely
Davin A. Widgerow Chair, Steering Committee Sierra Club San Diego
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jun 26, 2016 - 12:56pm PT
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Yes, I do see the San Lorenzo Headwater NP listed under Castle Rock State Park in that .pdf map. The exact boundaries of that NP are pretty loosely defined in the first place. Funny how the boundaries of that preserve are only marked adjacent to climbing or bouldering areas. But they were not very smart when they drew up the boundaries since there are so many other climbing areas at Castle Rock that fall outside the NP. The authorities will simple define the boundaries to suit their own biases. Arbitrary enforcement of rules and regulations is nothing new I'm afraid.
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Jan 18, 2017 - 10:41am PT
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Just FYI, this has come up again. The proposed regulation of off-trail use in preserves and reserves in state parks was revised to allow exceptions, but is still opposed by many hikers and groups. The deadline for public comment (which can be sent in by email to trails@parks.ca.gov) is 5pm today, Weds, 1/18/17).
Here's a link with more info:
https://www.meetup.com/Hiking-Coachella-Valley/events/236868237/
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 18, 2017 - 10:49am PT
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What's the point of having parks you can't use?
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crøtch
climber
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Jan 18, 2017 - 11:32am PT
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I submitted a comment by email, and I also called my state assemblyperson's office in Sacramento. They were unaware of the proposed rule change and very receptive to my comments about recreational activities such as rock climbing that often require departure from existing trails. I would encourage you all to contact your state representatives and make them aware of this issue.
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ManMountain
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jan 18, 2017 - 01:06pm PT
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"Anza-Borrego has extensive off-road driving opportunities in the washes, which provide great access to scrambling adventures that are not roped climbing (too loose) but still great ways to explore nature. Think canyoneering in pure mud slot canyons."
Correct it to read Anza-Borrego *had* extensive off road driving opportunities. I was a member of a local Jeep club in So. Cal. for 15 years, and AB was one of our favorite spots. Over the years, dozens of jeep trails have been closed, a few at a time starting in the eighties. What remains with a few exceptions is touron SUV trails.
It pisses me off because our club favored the total ban on red sticker OHVs, volunteered a lot and were good stewards of the land. The early bans made some sense to protect stunning archaeological sites from tourons, but they've closed trails with no archaeological significance or erosion problems, apparently arbitrarily. One short trail was closed because rangers had discovered "tire marks" on rocks in squeeze passes, well duh!
I'll briefly get on my high horse and say that street legal Jeeps (not the monsters you see on youtube) are one of the least damaging modes of transportation in primitive road situations, low GVW, super short wheelbase, big tires mean low footprint pressure, 4WD means less tire spin, and so on. Organized clubs and most mavericks respect and promote the rules, haul more garbage out than in, never build open fires, witness but do not touch artifacts, etc.
So now some stunning areas in AB are only accessible by 15 mile foot or horse hikes, on a road trail that took you within a mile of the site. I'm getting old and am saddened some of the wonderful places in AB that I visited 10 years ago are now not reachable by me and my less abled friends.
Jeepers suffer the same stigma that climbers do, although we're less smelly and apparently upstanding citizens because we can afford to own and maintain a fairly expensive toy.
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