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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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The concept of a cig black market almost seems comical.
Obviously you aren't from NYC, where a "cig" black market has flourished since Bloomberg taxed the crap out of smokes.
They're driving truckloads of cigs in from neighboring states with lower taxes. They can price them below NYC market and still make money. And for kids they just put a guy on the street in front of the local mini mart, sell 'em for a buck or more apiece and a few scums make out.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Patrick...What do the krauts charge for a pole smoke..?
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Byran
climber
Half Dome Village
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It's odd, and inconsistent, how we treat 18 yo. On the one hand, they can be drafted for military service, vote, enter into binding contracts, and face capital punishment for their crimes. On the other hand, we don't think they are capable of making appropriate decisions about drinking or smoking.
^This
I think alcohol, cigs, and pot should all be legal at 18. But I guess if we're going to raise the legal age for one of them, it should be tobacco... by far the most harmful of the three. Not that it will really matter though. Most people who smoke started before age 18.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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We already know what the left will say, they will say something about the dangers of smoking without considering the other side of the coin
We need to hear from the Conservatives that can tout the benefits of smoking before we can have a consensus on the value of raising the legal age limit.
that's just being fair and balanced
dangers from smoking vs. benefits of smoking
you decide
big money is at stake
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Uh, amerikanito ?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Been to Europe? German's smoke like a smokestack.
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Stone Cowboy
Trad climber
Livermore, CA.
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smoke on the water...
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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It's odd, and inconsistent, how we treat 18 yo. On the one hand, they can be drafted for military service, vote, enter into binding contracts, and face capital punishment for their crimes. On the other hand, we don't think they are capable of making appropriate decisions about drinking or smoking.
18 yro's can smoke and drink if in the military, and on a military base.
So they deserve to kill themselves!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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We already know what the left will say, they will say something about the dangers of smoking without considering the other side of the coin
We need to hear from the Conservatives that can tout the benefits of smoking before we can have a consensus on the value of raising the legal age limit.
WTF does that even mean????
You are so prejudice you prolly never even touched your dick with your very own left hand. Ha
if you can post even an inkling of wisdom from those two queer statements above, i'll retract my appraisal.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Where would America be without slaves and tobacco?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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^^^who should we thank?
we're certainly not the inventors!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Dingus, thanks for your thoughts, I am doing okay.
Still fighting the HSE and social workers to have access to Jennie and being told BS, as well from the nursing home owner. My sister-in-law Kathleen (Pleasant Hill/Lafayette), my late dear brother Mac's wife/widow, came from California to visit me April 14-21, she had never been to Ireland (just about everywhere else in Europe though).
She said she a great time. She went to see Jennie twice (I took Jen home - California- Christmas 2008 to meet friends and family) and said Jennie was in good health and frame of mind, despite her Korsakoff's and asked about me, repeatedly, the second visit all she talked about was me.
Does he have a girlfriend?
No, you are the love of his life, he has photos of you around the house.
Is he working?
No he is in school working on his masters.
Why doesn't he visit me, I'd love to see him, perhaps he could take me out for a while. I still love him. He must be busy.
He writes to you all the time.
I don't receive his letters. I want to see him.
He is only less than an hour away and would loved to visit you regularly.
But… the nursing home owner and social worker say Jen does not want to see me. Hearsay, second hand.
She is institutionalized Dingus, and probably drugged (my supposition). Her best friend Eileen she grew up with in Dublin, and Kathleen, and my landlord all agree, she is not getting my letters, photos or posts. But we are speculating.
I said to the one social worker (the nicer one, I guess), that she is institutionalized.
No, she is not.
Look up the word, I replied.
I know this has nothing to do with smoking in California, but…
Jennie is being denied some rights under the EU Patient Charter. Kathleen and my cousin Ann (prominent doctor of psychology in LA), both agree, that i If this was happening in a nursing home in California, there would be arrests or at least citations.
My landlord Graham is still insistent over the past 17 months that I go to court for visitation rights.
I have no legal rights as I am not blood kin nor her husband, so I am told by the social workers.
BS, I was her partner for going on nine years and her carer for over four, recgonised as such by the Department of Social Protection.
Apologies for the thread drift, but as this is the only forum I contribute (if that is the correct word) to, and not a lot, especially lately, after 11 years, I feel I know other Supertopians.
Here is to the Taco Stand, great people, great climbing stuff and then some.
Cheers
Patrick
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Obviously you aren't from NYC, where a "cig" black market has flourished since Bloomberg taxed the crap out of smokes.
Not only that, it's important enough and good ole Bloomberg needs his cig revenue so bad that they choke out and kill citizens because they have the audacity to sell them one at a time without collecting the tax.
We still love watching Kalifornia eat itself from the inside out.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Hey blu
just forget about understanding it
It's way over your head
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Anything that slows tobacco profiteers is a good thing.
The incredible burden tobacco has placed on our healthcare system is only eclipsed by the suffering and heartache is has caused so many families.
It is a genuine plague.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I'd draw the line somewhere well before sending armed agents to enforce cigarette tax laws. Don't want another Eric Garner for just smokes.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Tobacco is not a plague. It's a harmless plant when left alone in the dirt.
As usual, the political puppets pass even more useless laws that will do absolutely nothing positive and waste more resources on enforcing such nonsense.
Smoking, a behavior, is the problem. Education is the only way to correct such behaviors.
There's a family near us who grows tobacco and sells their own cigarettes and other various tobacco poisons for cash. No tax.
It's a plant, a commodity, and no amount of laws or supply-side shenanigans is ever going to limit that supply to any great degree.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Every middle school grad, on the first day of high school, should be issued a sixer of old e and a bag of Bali Shag, both of which they will be required to consume, in their entirety in one sitting. Lock 'em in the gym.... Or spend a week with Tucker. Problem solved.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Tobacco is not a plague. It's a harmless plant when left alone in the dirt. Ok, SMOKING is the plague.
Smoking leads to disease and disability and harms nearly every organ of the body.
More than 16 million Americans are living with a disease caused by smoking.
For every person who dies because of smoking, at least 30 people live with a serious smoking-related illness.
Smoking causes cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis.
Smoking also increases risk for tuberculosis, certain eye diseases, and problems of the immune system, including rheumatoid arthritis.
Smoking is a known cause of erectile dysfunction in males.
Worldwide, tobacco use causes nearly 6 million deaths per year, and current trends show that tobacco use will cause more than 8 million deaths annually by 2030.
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including nearly 42,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.
On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
If smoking continues at the current rate among U.S. youth, 5.6 million of today’s Americans younger than 18 years of age are expected to die prematurely from a smoking-related illness. This represents about one in every 13 Americans aged 17 years or younger who are alive today. -CDC
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
One of those non-intuitive observations is that smoking may well save the government money becasue it usually kills people after they've completed their full working live, but before they've got a chance to collect much social security.
Conspiracy nuts suggest the government doesn't want everyone to quit because then the gov will have to pay out too much in social security.
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